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Removal Tool
Space Jerks
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Posted - 2009.12.02 02:58:00 -
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 3 Damage mods, 2 tracking enhancers (now with 30% bonus to falloff each!) and nano rigs, boosted guns,
Oh Yeah!
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TimMc
Gallente
Psykotic Meat
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.02 03:07:00 -
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Oh holy falloff 
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Cartheron Crust
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.02 03:42:00 -
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I only fly Minmatar ships.
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Torpir Lee
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.12.02 03:47:00 -
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Best Snipers:
1.Apoc
2.Maelstrom
3.Megathron
4.Tempest
5.Rokh
And the gap between the Apoc and Maelstrom isn't that large either.
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Removal Tool
Space Jerks
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Posted - 2009.12.02 04:14:00 -
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Vagabond on the Dominion EFT, 2 tracking enhancers and Barrage is showing 3.5k Opt and 43k falloff
Republic EMP gives 1.8k Opt and 27k falloff
Oh yeah, crazy tracking too
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.02 04:26:00 -
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I dunno if it'll actually end up being FOTM. You pretty well *MUST* shield buffer tank to take advantage of the new changes, and even then you're giving up the traditional speed advantage.
It seems to me that this is something of an Amarr boost, because anyone who *WANTS* to take advantage of the new Dominion changes is going to be ridiculously weak to EM/Thm damage. Their announcement of projectile changes did not prevent me from cross training to Amarr.
-Liang
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.02 04:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Torpir Lee
Best Snipers:
1.Apoc
2.Maelstrom
3.Megathron
4.Tempest
5.Rokh
And the gap between the Apoc and Maelstrom isn't that large either.
How do you figure that order?
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.12.02 04:33:00 -
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So instead of having your projectile weapons EFT damaged reduced to 38%, its now going to only be reduced to 60% of its EFT damage.
Yeah real FOTM stuff.... Falloff is bad MKAY!
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Removal Tool
Space Jerks
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Posted - 2009.12.02 04:44:00 -
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Amarr is still great, but now Minmatar is comparable.
And all you do is swap fall-off rigs to nano rigs, and nanofibers to TE's.
That is no substantive change to tank. Vagas and Sleipnirs got a huge boost if you want to setup that way.
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2009.12.02 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Removal Tool
And all you do is swap fall-off rigs to nano rigs, and nanofibers to TE's.
To get the exact same result you would have had pre-dominion... The changes pretty much suck tbh.. Large Artillery are still broken :(
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.12.02 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk
Originally by: Removal Tool
And all you do is swap fall-off rigs to nano rigs, and nanofibers to TE's.
To get the exact same result you would have had pre-dominion... The changes pretty much suck tbh.. Large Artillery are still broken :(
Tell that to the first low sec gate camps we wrecked havoc yesterday with 8 tempests/maels warp in kill a battleship with 1 shot then gtfo.. wait a few minutes repeat.. making their life miserable with no chance of counter. 3 BS down in few minutes with not a scratch in our shields.... These new arties again allow for hit and run tactics. That means smaller forces that can engage larger forces for attrition.
ITS NOT A SHIP OF THE LINE! But is excelent for other uses.
People mentality about how to use these guns are the only remaining broken thing now!
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.02 09:23:00 -
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I plugged a Shield Gank Cane into the new Dominion EFT and got 34KM Falloff from 425mm AC's with a TE and 3 x T1 Ambits.
Mmmmmmm.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.12.02 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Psiri on 02/12/2009 09:49:15
I haven't really looked at the projectile changes until now, I may very well have missed something, but I'm not THAT impressed with them.
Seems to me like Minmatar got a buff to sniping, whilst still not being top tier.
Replacing nano/od's just seems to get you a gimped shield Harbinger, pherhaps I've missed something?
I took a look at my Cane fit, the changes allowed me to slap on 2 EM rigs instead at the expense of a Gyro (which became a TE), which I compensated for by upgrading my guns to 425mm's (which without the ambit rigs are easy to fit). The loss of tracking is compensated by the TE, the slight reduction in DPS is compensated by the little extra falloff I recieve. So really, in the end I get the same ship as before but with a healthy ammount of EM resist.
- Having access to pure EM damage (with a decent falloff to boot!) is a nice addition though.
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:14:00 -
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Because of the new reduced damage long range ammo I was seriously concerned, but the artillery weapons gained a slight dps boost along with the alpha and so with 720mm's and carbonized lead, I now lost 2dps (two) out of my total damage compaired to pre dominion. So sure enough my dps went down but I did gain damage type choice at three range mods plus at my long range I gained that 5% tracking boost and the double clip size.
The clip size makes up for it all.
Btw does eft calculate reload times into the dps? Because reloading half as much saves my 10-15 seconds out of what was origiannly about 4 minutes.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks
Because of the new reduced damage long range ammo I was seriously concerned, but the artillery weapons gained a slight dps boost along with the alpha and so with 720mm's and carbonized lead, I now lost 2dps (two) out of my total damage compaired to pre dominion. So sure enough my dps went down but I did gain damage type choice at three range mods plus at my long range I gained that 5% tracking boost and the double clip size.
The clip size makes up for it all.
Btw does eft calculate reload times into the dps? Because reloading half as much saves my 10-15 seconds out of what was origiannly about 4 minutes.
You can set your DPS prefference in EFT...with or without reload times included.
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Nextdoor Nikki
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks
Btw does eft calculate reload times into the dps? Because reloading half as much saves my 10-15 seconds out of what was origiannly about 4 minutes.
If you have set EFT to do so, then yes.
NDN
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.12.02 16:22:00 -
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I don't get why people are fapping so hard about the AC changes. Maybe cuz minmatar have sucked so hard for so long that ANY boost makes them look awesome.
Falloff is just awful. The only ships that use it extencively are the vaga and sleip, which were already pretty solid. They'll do maybe 70% of their EFT dps instead of 50%.
Don't go all fan girl. Or at least put newspaper down before you sit on anything. Jesus...
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BanMeAgainPlz
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Posted - 2009.12.02 16:27:00 -
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Minmatar dread sure won't be FOTM that's for damn sure. Quoting from Test Server section.
Originally by: Gronker Lonker
I did some calcs with EFT:
New DPS according to EFT : old values in brackets
Rev 4380 (4754) -367
Mor 4026 (4530) -504
Pho 3934 (4570) -636 --> (no Faction CRs availible (~+10%))
Nag 3404 (4630) -1226 --> (no Faction CRs availible (~+5%))
All ships with All lvl 5, 3 Dmg-Mods, low tier faction ammo and 5x bouncer II.
Without faction ammo, Rev and Pho should be pretty much equal at Pure-DPS (but have the explosion-radius in mind). The Moros is a bit behind and the Naglfar is ... ****ed.
Maybe the new EFT is just wrong but if not, CCP needs some help at math.
Atleast the Nag doesn't use cap right? Hahaha
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.02 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 02/12/2009 17:41:45
Originally by: Nian Banks
Because of the new reduced damage long range ammo I was seriously concerned, but the artillery weapons gained a slight dps boost along with the alpha and so with 720mm's and carbonized lead, I now lost 2dps (two) out of my total damage compaired to pre dominion. So sure enough my dps went down but I did gain damage type choice at three range mods plus at my long range I gained that 5% tracking boost and the double clip size.
The clip size makes up for it all.
Great news Nian. I'm wondering what ship you're using for these comparisons? Hurricane? Or (could be too good to be true) Muninn?
Losing 2 DPS for a bunch of effectiveness and more range ain't bad...
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:02:00 -
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Falloff
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Drek Grapper
Edited by: Drek Grapper on 02/12/2009 09:35:12
I plugged a Shield Gank Cane into the new Dominion EFT and got 34KM Falloff from 425mm AC's (barrage) with a TE and 3 x T1 Ambits. 20Km with RF EMP
Mmmmmmm.
The ambits are not properly stacking penalized in EFT.
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www.kwikdeath.org |
Chestrano
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:16:00 -
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Tracking computer dont increase my falloff. I think they are buggy. As long as this dont get fixed, minmatar is far away from FOTM
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:59:00 -
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Was always the best pvp race to me, well atleast after the web nerf ****ed blasters! I was never on the amarr bandwagonand, still not! Even to this day! Also these "changes" havent realy changed anything much in game as far as AC fits go. What i will be waiting to see is gangs of arty thrashers/ruptures/canes insta popping ships! It has already started tbh...
Projectiles and minmatar ships where fine before and they are now!
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Skaverni
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Posted - 2009.12.02 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Skaverni on 02/12/2009 22:05:07
so when matar wasnt FOTM btw? it has been fotm for 2 years and still contiune to being that. Only change was that the amarr got to be fotm too recently.
Anyway next thing is to boost caldari/gallente this 2 races was nerfed too many times and boosted not even once in the last 2 years.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.02 22:29:00 -
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More falloff is also a stealth gallente buff.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.02 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Skaverni
so when matar wasnt FOTM btw?
I don't think Minnie has been FOTM for quite some time - at least a few years. There was a spike in popularity for one or two ships, but the reality of the situation was that there was a spike in popularity for one or two ship classes. Also, ever since people started *truly* examining the way this game works (as opposed to taking "BUT IT WERKD 4 ME WEN I SHOT 8 NUBS AT ONCE LOL" anecdotal evidence).
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Anyway next thing is to boost caldari/gallente this 2 races was nerfed too many times and boosted not even once in the last 2 years.
Because obviously Caldari has been hurting for good ships for the last few years... ::cough-blackbird-falcon-drake-scorpion-raven-rokh-more-cough::. Especially after the speed nerf, all their ships were total crap! ::cough-drake-is-best-small-gang-bc-cough::
-Liang
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www.kwikdeath.org |
Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.02 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Skaverni
Edited by: Skaverni on 02/12/2009 22:05:07
So when Amarr wasnt FOTM btw? It has been fotm for 3 years and still contiunes to being that. The only change was that the Matari got to be fotm yesterday.
Your post was so full of win that I had to fix it for you. I even fixed the grammar too.
Originally by: Skaverni
Anyway next thing is to boost caldari.
The only thing that you said that had any truth to it whatsoever.
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Orree
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.12.02 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Torpir Lee
Best Snipers:
1.Apoc
2.Maelstrom
3.Megathron
4.Tempest
5.Rokh
And the gap between the Apoc and Maelstrom isn't that large either.
Except in terms of price. In my view, a race shouldn't have to field a tier 3 battleship to have a decent sniper. At least now the tempest is on the map again. The maelstrom always was a better sniper than the tempest, though...
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Gamrikis
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Posted - 2009.12.02 23:11:00 -
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FOTM, hells no. It has been years since minie was FOTM and it will be years yet.
I am waiting for the complete realization that it was a lateral move for arties. It does nothing in the scope of large fleet battles other than hit and get the F*** out tactics that I will try to implament in the fleets I am in. I think the biggest problem is the tracking and range of arties is way to low.Don't get mad just get use to the fact that in fleet combat you will be a small anomily that most FC's will not try to fit into their plan.
One thing is for sure you should stay so far away from minmatar caps that if a friendly one tries to join a fleet with you, you should put him down like a three legged dog with mange and a slight ******ation.
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Madner Kami
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.02 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Madner Kami on 02/12/2009 23:51:22
Originally by: Gamrikis
I am waiting for the complete realization that it was a lateral move for arties. It does nothing in the scope of large fleet battles other than hit and get the F*** out tactics that I will try to implament in the fleets I am in. I think the biggest problem is the tracking and range of arties is way to low.Don't get mad just get use to the fact that in fleet combat you will be a small anomily that most FC's will not try to fit into their plan.
Hm, I doubt you realize how surprisingly unpleasent a sudden flanking squad of artillery ships can be (now again).
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