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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
890
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:09:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. You can't beat the man with the pencil.
Look at that one post. Who is im mrmessy? I will further challenge you, can you find more than one post of Goons asking for this change? Maybe one that people have heard of? How many times are you going to move the goal post?
you mean like you just did.? answer the damn question, quote a single goonswarm member complaining about the war system. if you can't then there is no reason goonswarm would be behind something that just don't give a **** about. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
890
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:11:00 -
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Constable Chang wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:La Nariz wrote:Jade less words more of this: CCP Soundwave wrote:The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created. but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right? I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp. Should be able to wardec npc corps. Wardeccing the Amarr Ministry of War should be... interesting. Don't empire navies get to field caps and supers in their own empire space?
disagree too much grieving of new players.
I think noob corps should have wars of thier own, between different npc noob corps, that never end, so your never safe. Or just push them all into Factional warfare, so high sec is still safeish Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:30:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:also if your fighting a null sec allaince why do you even need a declared war in the 1st place? you do know war decs have no meaning in 0.0 right? Camping Jita is a war unto itself. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:31:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: And lets remember another reality here. This is not hisec wardec people asking for a change in the in game to their benefit.
No, that is not a reality. That is just made up, and possibly a "rumor". The reality is that wardecs have never been a nullsec issue. At best they are a joke, at worst they are irrelevant. The only people that are going to have their game effected by wardecs, and would have any reason to complain, are highsec people. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:46:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: Oh really? You have the CCP email/evemail transcripts and the CSM minutes to show who is asking for these changes or are you still on some kick about how Goons are totally afraid of you and your super scary allies list? Such things are not to be discussed on these forums anymore. Then I'm afraid that nobody is going to take your word for it. If you can't prove something then it is worth literally nothing. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:53:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. You can't beat the man with the pencil.
Look at that one post. Who is im mrmessy? I will further challenge you, can you find more than one post of Goons asking for this change? Maybe one that people have heard of? How many times are you going to move the goal post? Drawing attention to a yet-to-be-met standard is not moving goalposts. Good attempt though. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1023
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:03:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game.
so im mrmessy, some membercorp dude I've never heard of, apparently dictates GSF's policy on these things
lol eh |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1023
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:06:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:How many times are you going to move the goal post?
You should feel bad for getting on the "hurr goonswarm cares about wardecs" bandwagon eh |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
38
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:32:00 -
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I haven't read this thread (I have read the OP as well as similar posts in the dev blog thread).
This change has nothing to do with goonswarm. Anyone who even remotely understands the wardec system could tell (even before the inferno changes went live) that the ally system in its current state is broken. Is the 1.1 solution perfect? No. Does the cost escalate too quickly? Yea.
But it has nothing to do with goonswarm, so quit your bitching and ****** posts. It's a step in the right direction. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:47:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. so im mrmessy, some membercorp dude I've never heard of, apparently dictates GSF's policy on these things lol also fyi that post was /after/ Goliath made the announcement, it's even in the same thread try again! We can go back in time.... tat's how good we are apparently. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
891
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:MotherMoon wrote:also if your fighting a null sec allaince why do you even need a declared war in the 1st place? you do know war decs have no meaning in 0.0 right? Camping Jita is a war unto itself.
exactly. When has goonswarm needed a wardec to troll in high sec before? whats that? never? oh right. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1039
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:37:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:MotherMoon wrote:also if your fighting a null sec allaince why do you even need a declared war in the 1st place? you do know war decs have no meaning in 0.0 right? Camping Jita is a war unto itself. exactly. When has goonswarm needed a wardec to troll in high sec before? whats that? never? oh right. We were talking about Jade's Jita/Hek/Rens camping coalition and why they need 40+ or something allies. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:44:00 -
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need more sebos milord guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
EternalFlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.18 09:13:00 -
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I want to be at war with everyone in high sec all of the time, why hasn't ccp made this happen? |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
66
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Posted - 2012.06.18 10:02:00 -
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I find soundwaves statements lolworthy. Eve isn't far, war shouldn't be! Oh what, the mechanics are such that a small corporation managed to dogpile allies and retalliate against a 9000 man alliance? That's not fair! FIX IT NOW!
Here's what we should do: Take the 1.0 mechanics, except change it so mutual wars can't have allies.
No exponential costs for having allies, no other bs that makes it ridiculously skewed in favour of bigger alliances / aggressors. |
Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
156
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Posted - 2012.06.18 11:09:00 -
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Agree with Jade, this smells like goons or their friends have manipulated or pulled strings to get 1.1 to the state it is. If goons dont have a problem with 1.0 as it stands then come out and support it and rail against the new changes.
This is a BS change, let the server run as it is, it's player led. This 'rebalance' benefits the big alliances yet again.
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Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.06.18 11:16:00 -
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Maraner wrote:Agree with Jade, this smells like goons or their friends have manipulated or pulled strings to get 1.1 to the state it is. If goons dont have a problem with 1.0 as it stands then come out and support it and rail against the new changes.
This is a BS change, let the server run as it is, it's player led. This 'rebalance' benefits the big alliances yet again.
It's funny because we would rather have the hilariously broken old system in place so we can be paying for two wardecs, yet be able to shoot anybody in highsec without repercussions.
The rebalance actually favors the high-sec corporations by keeping them from getting themselves into trouble. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about-áLa Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
310
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Posted - 2012.06.18 12:22:00 -
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The funniest thing in these posts is the members of Goonswarm arguing that they didn't whine or complain about the allies system in 1.0
But then going on to say how much better the new way is.
Well I suppose they should, it does favour them. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
509
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Posted - 2012.06.18 12:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The funniest thing in these posts is the members of Goonswarm arguing that they didn't whine or complain about the allies system in 1.0
But then going on to say how much better the new way is.
Well I suppose they should, it does favour them.
What's even funnier is the sheer number of morons trying desperately to accuse Goonswarm of crying for this ally system to be changed in their favour. Page after page of whine, whine, whine and not a single shred of proof that the Goons had anything to do with it. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
knobber Jobbler
182
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Posted - 2012.06.18 12:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The funniest thing in these posts is the members of Goonswarm arguing that they didn't whine or complain about the allies system in 1.0
But then going on to say how much better the new way is.
Well I suppose they should, it does favour them.
Why would they whine? Two things:
1. The current mechanic is horribly broken - The ally system really doesn't work at all and can be easily abused, it is being abused. You have to be a proper tin foil[ass]hat to think otherwise or just plain stupid. 2. If you had the slighted idea about the Goons, this current broken mechanic is suites them down to the ground. They can go to high sec and kill a bunch of people without concorde blowing them up. It makes high sec allot more like 0.0 if everyone you meet is flashy red. If I was Goons leadership right now I'd be on these forums goading you high sec pub tards to ally up even more than right now because it means more cheap kills in high sec than normal. |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1315
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Posted - 2012.06.18 12:33:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The funniest thing in these posts is the members of Goonswarm arguing that they didn't whine or complain about the allies system in 1.0
But then going on to say how much better the new way is.
Well I suppose they should, it does favour them. What's even funnier is the sheer number of morons trying desperately to accuse Goonswarm of crying for this ally system to be changed in their favour. Page after page of whine, whine, whine and not a single shred of proof that the Goons had anything to do with it.
This. |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.06.18 12:43:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The funniest thing in these posts is the members of Goonswarm arguing that they didn't whine or complain about the allies system in 1.0
But then going on to say how much better the new way is.
Well I suppose they should, it does favour them.
Yes, the change is great. Finally my inbox will not be flooded with completely inconsequential WarDecs by people that I will never see anywhere, because they hang out in highsec, a place where most of Goonswarm never sets foot besides with a trading alt.
That is literally the only way it benefits us, but that doesn't mean that the old system isn't incredibly stupid. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:02:00 -
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So wait, changing a mechanic that functionally makes declaring war for any alliance smaller than GSF impossible to win is a sign that the devs favor GSF?
Are you guys really that dense? As it stands now, any 5 man corp declaring war on another 5 man corp is instantly blobbed by "allies" (read: people who just want more things to shoot and have no stake with their other "allies."
I thought you pubbies were against blobbing? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2340
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:07:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: And lets remember another reality here. This is not hisec wardec people asking for a change in the in game to their benefit.
No, that is not a reality. That is just made up, and possibly a "rumor". The reality is that wardecs have never been a nullsec issue. At best they are a joke, at worst they are irrelevant. The only people that are going to have their game effected by wardecs, and would have any reason to complain, are highsec people.
And yet nobody in the hisec war coalitions has been complaining AT ALL.
Here's the thing.
The CSM (apart from Keldun of Eve Uni) opposed these changes. There is a good overview of their response in the Crossing Zebra's podcast where the Noir guy expresses his frustration at the way he felt the CSM had been ignored and the Wardec team was not really listening to feedback.
Crossing Zebra's podcast ep 6 listen from 44mins
Keldun btw has negotiated access to Test alliance space previously, so maybe that has something to do with his views who knows (test alliance being the other really big loser from the Inferno 1.0 wardec changes and getting literally FARMED by pretty much everyone in Hisec on the Honda Accord war).
And since the reveal on the 1.1 changes. Nobody really except nullsec poeple have celebrated the detail uncritically.
You are being pretty deceitful to move the goalposts again and use the phrase "The only people that are going to have their game effected by wardecs, and would have any reason to complain, are highsec people" because the only hisec people who were getting involved in these wars were people who voluntarily joined allied coalitions (which they obviously enjoyed) or the objects of the "griefing wardecs" themselves who obviously have no choice about it either in 1.0 or 1.1
Your arguement kind of falls flat on its face.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
511
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:15:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:So wait, changing a mechanic that functionally makes declaring war for any alliance smaller than GSF impossible to win is a sign that the devs favor GSF?
Are you guys really that dense? As it stands now, any 5 man corp declaring war on another 5 man corp is instantly blobbed by "allies" (read: people who just want more things to shoot and have no stake with their other "allies."
I thought you pubbies were against blobbing?
Interestingly I have personal experience of this. I got war dec'd last week by a 50 man alliance, and within 3 days I had amassed 243 people spread over 8 corps as allies, most of whom joined for zero cost. While I am obviously happy to have a large amount of allies, this does seem stupidly unbalanced and is a perfect example of why it needs changing. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
511
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:22:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: And lets remember another reality here. This is not hisec wardec people asking for a change in the in game to their benefit.
No, that is not a reality. That is just made up, and possibly a "rumor". The reality is that wardecs have never been a nullsec issue. At best they are a joke, at worst they are irrelevant. The only people that are going to have their game effected by wardecs, and would have any reason to complain, are highsec people. And yet nobody in the hisec war coalitions has been complaining AT ALL.
Funny, the only people I see complaining about the upcoming changes to the system ARE high sec dwellers.
Just because a change happens to possibly benefit null sec alliances, and lets not pretend that Goonswarm are the only null sec alliance, does not mean that they had anything to do with the changes.
The only people complaining are smaller high sec corps who want to be able to war dec massive alliances, and then bring in infinite numbers of allies for zero cost, thus bypassing the effort and cost needed to form and maintain a cohesive counter alliance. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:22:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:So wait, changing a mechanic that functionally makes declaring war for any alliance smaller than GSF impossible to win is a sign that the devs favor GSF?
Are you guys really that dense? As it stands now, any 5 man corp declaring war on another 5 man corp is instantly blobbed by "allies" (read: people who just want more things to shoot and have no stake with their other "allies."
I thought you pubbies were against blobbing? Interestingly I have personal experience of this. I got war dec'd last week by a 50 man alliance, and within 3 days I had amassed 243 people spread over 8 corps as allies, most of whom joined for zero cost. While I am obviously happy to have a large amount of allies, this does seem stupidly unbalanced and is a perfect example of why it needs changing. Hey Jade. Look at this post. I did your work for you. No need to thank me. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
511
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:24:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:So wait, changing a mechanic that functionally makes declaring war for any alliance smaller than GSF impossible to win is a sign that the devs favor GSF?
Are you guys really that dense? As it stands now, any 5 man corp declaring war on another 5 man corp is instantly blobbed by "allies" (read: people who just want more things to shoot and have no stake with their other "allies."
I thought you pubbies were against blobbing? Interestingly I have personal experience of this. I got war dec'd last week by a 50 man alliance, and within 3 days I had amassed 243 people spread over 8 corps as allies, most of whom joined for zero cost. While I am obviously happy to have a large amount of allies, this does seem stupidly unbalanced and is a perfect example of why it needs changing. Hey Jade. Look at this post. I did your work for you. No need to thank me.
Not sure if just goading Jade, or also goading me.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
66
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:32:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:So wait, changing a mechanic that functionally makes declaring war for any alliance smaller than GSF impossible to win is a sign that the devs favor GSF?
Are you guys really that dense? As it stands now, any 5 man corp declaring war on another 5 man corp is instantly blobbed by "allies" (read: people who just want more things to shoot and have no stake with their other "allies."
I thought you pubbies were against blobbing? Interestingly I have personal experience of this. I got war dec'd last week by a 50 man alliance, and within 3 days I had amassed 243 people spread over 8 corps as allies, most of whom joined for zero cost. While I am obviously happy to have a large amount of allies, this does seem stupidly unbalanced and is a perfect example of why it needs changing. Hey Jade. Look at this post. I did your work for you. No need to thank me.
I don't see a terrible problem with this. No one forces anyone to war dec someone else, you make that choice and you should run the risk of them pulling in allies and curbstomping you. Perhaps there should be a bit of a limiting factor on it, but it shouldn't be an immediate and exponential cost for each ally - perhaps ramp up the price only after the number of allied bodies exceeds that of the aggressor. That way if a 5 man corp declares war on a 50 man corp that corp immediately has to shell out isk if they want even more of an advantage, but if a 9000 man alliance declares war on the 50 man corp then they can bring in truckloads of friends before having to worry about isk |
Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:32:00 -
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I'm sad about these changes because our JF loss mails are ******* hilarious.
I wish there was a "Declare war on New Eden button" where we could just make all pilots hostile all the time. NO ONE IS SAFE! |
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