Hey Jade. Look at this post. I did your work for you. No need to thank me.

I'm sad about these changes because our JF loss mails are ******* hilarious.

I wish there was a "Declare war on New Eden button" where we could just make all pilots hostile all the time. NO ONE IS SAFE!

Perhaps you should complain to Mittani?

Funny, the only people I see complaining about the upcoming changes to the system ARE high sec dwellers.

Just because a change happens to possibly benefit null sec alliances, and lets not pretend that Goonswarm are the only null sec alliance, does not mean that they had anything to do with the changes.

The only people complaining are smaller high sec corps who want to be able to war dec massive alliances, and then bring in infinite numbers of allies for zero cost, thus bypassing the effort and cost needed to form and maintain a cohesive counter alliance.

Comments like these are precisely why you are not going to find too many people taking you seriously, and those that do are wearing more tinfoil than you, are probably only semi-literate and have issues with controlling basic bodily functions. If you want anyone to take you seriously you are going to need to leave your excruciatingly clear prejudices at the door, they serve only to drown any decent point you may ever attempt to make in a sea of crap.

Dear Jade Constantine,

You have 80 kills so far in the month of June according to Eve-Kills. None of those are against Goons, or TEST. Why do you even give a ****? It's not like you're fighting us.

SIgned,
Me

Yeah which is precisely the issue the proposal I widely circulated would resolve in a far more elegant solution than the clumsy 1.1 changes.

With the proposal I make - the concord escalation fee would only kick in when the defending coalition IS (or has increased to be by adding allies) beyond the size of the attacker. Hence the purpose of the 1.1 (escalation charge) for protecting small attackers from ridiculous dogpiles would remain intact, while the defense option for smaller defenders facing massive attackers would also remain intact.

Thanks in fact for providing yet another example of how its possible to resolve problems in the wardec system without cutting one half of the community to pieces in the interest of the other.

Some game mechanics can be improved for everyone.

Well yes, because the 1.1 changes are bad. But the previous quote references the mention that said hisec dwelling wardec fighters were not complaining about 1.0. There is the world of difference between these two patches - which one you are complaining about speaks volumes for which camp you are in!

Yes that's true, but then again it also doesn't mean they didn't. Obviously there is a lot we don't know happens behind the scenes. But in the lengthy Eve News article I wrote a few days ago I lay all this stuff at the feet of fanboyism as much as any kind of specific corruption but thats by the by. The reality is that these changes DO benefit the big guys and if you want to debate that I can certainly show specifc cases of how they benefit down to numbers in ISK.

That simply isn't true. You cannot bring allies when you make an offensive dec. In part the allies for defensive purposes were a sop thrown at the notion of "balance" in the first place because with Inferno 1.0 the cost to dec a large alliance had risen by 10x anyway. The argument was "thats okay because now people can better defend themselves against the large alliances with the wardec ally system". Now that is being taken away from us more or less, and the increased price to dec large alliances remains.

Its simply a very bad patch and I don't think ANYONE sensible is defending it really.

A better question for you to consider is why am I (as the object of a Mittani's ministry of love special griefing contract ) ABLE to score 80 kills in the month of June (in lowsec no less) without needing to kill a single GOON/TEST pilot in order to go about my business in the Amarr/Minmatar FW conflict zone.

I'll give you a hint. I've seen 3 GOONS total. The first 2 fled system the moment I switched into a gank tornado to blast their bombers to bits. The 3rd fired a torp at me but spammed escape warp so quickly his weapon didn't even detonate in his haste to leave the field.

The reality is that the Goons of the ministry of love are more terrified of mockery and personal consequences they would face on losing a ship to me than they have a desire to actually fight. Hence they run back to empire and get farmed by our many allies.

When you make a wardec against an entity its your job to go find that entity and try to stop them doing what they want to do.

I'm playing faction warfare and making a fortune from kills/complexing/missioning (8.7b so far while this wardec has been running) Surely its your job to stop me.

Otherwise your wardec (like your leader) is going to look pretty foolish.

A better question for you to consider is why am I (as the object of a Mittani's ministry of love special griefing contract ) ABLE to score 80 kills in the month of June (in lowsec no less) without needing to kill a single GOON/TEST pilot in order to go about my business in the Amarr/Minmatar FW conflict zone.

I'll give you a hint. I've seen 3 GOONS total. The first 2 fled system the moment I switched into a gank tornado to blast their bombers to bits. The 3rd fired a torp at me but spammed escape warp so quickly his weapon didn't even detonate in his haste to leave the field.

The reality is that the Goons of the ministry of love are more terrified of mockery and personal consequences they would face on losing a ship to me than they have a desire to actually fight. Hence they run back to empire and get farmed by our many allies.

When you make a wardec against an entity its your job to go find that entity and try to stop them doing what they want to do.

I'm playing faction warfare and making a fortune from kills/complexing/missioning (8.7b so far while this wardec has been running) Surely its your job to stop me.

Otherwise your wardec (like your leader) is going to look pretty foolish.

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I think you mistake foolishness for disinterest. As much as you talk about other people having hilariously inflated egos, yours takes the cake. You've done what of value to call your claim to fame exactly?

Why (in your eyes) is it wrong to suggest that a goon pilot who is actually enjoying 1.0 Inferno wardec rules should consider complaining to his CEO (who can then presumably forward the complaints to CSM/CCP whoever he has in his contact list/twitter network) to protest the ruining of that individual's specific "fun" in the 1.1 patch?

Dude, shut up.

Dude, shut up.

No dude, he's right. There was an Illuminati leak the other day. Our market guys are just crashing Greece so we can buy it and form a cartel of gyros.

You made it mutual so I guess you have a vested interest in us as well. Maybe you should stop leeching free allies, build an alliance worth a **** and come to VFK. Or stop hiding in lowsec, when the whole point of a war, is to fight in high sec. Actually yeah, let's go with that. Also, I'd rather camp EC- then come find you because :effort:

Oh dear, I really need to explain? Ok. For the entire time you have been discussing the changes to the wardec system, the greater percentage of that time has actually been spent blaming Goonswarm for said changes.

I made it mutual purely so I could prevent goonswarm :accidently: forgetting to pay the wardec fee and escaping all consequence for a declaration they were losing. I notice you don't reply to any of the specifics of the quoted post by the way.

Its quite comical you accuse me of "hiding" in lowsec btw (where ANYONE can shoot ANYONE) if they are prepared to pay the consequences.

Lets repeat it one more time for you. Before the Mittani's dec I was in lowsec fighting for the Matari faction and pvp'ing against the 24th Crusade. During Mittani's dec I was in lowsec fighting for the Matari faction and pvp'ing against the 24th Crusade, in the immediate future I'm going to be in lowsec fighting for the Matari faction and pv['ing against the 24th Crusade. I've lived in lowsec for most of the last five years. If you'd have done even the slightest checking of killboards histories you might have seen this in advance.

I'm not in 0.0 because I consider the 0.0 game is utterly broken turgid NAP fest and boring in ways its scarcely possible to believe.The only thing that is likely to get me to come to 0.0 again is to raid alliance assets as they involve themselves in planetary ring mining (of moon minerals) if and when that change makes it into the game. But CCP Soundwave just appeared to announce a delay of that feature unfortunately so you guys have a bit longer to sit on your behinds sucking wealth out of static resources while NAPPED to the majority of 0.0 :shrug:

TLDR ... when CCP makes 0.0 a dynamic environment with vulnerable resource extraction systems then I'll be happy to come and blow up your belt-miners with cloaking terror campaigns and black ops hotdrops.

Until then I'm playing the part of the game that actually works properly and delivers enjoyable small unit PVP.

And if you don't like that - well, I guess you'd better come do something about it.

That isn't true in any way shape or form. I'd challenge you to go off and perform a complete textual analysis of the threads in question but I'm guessing you aren't quite credulous enough to actually do it.

If you want to know who I blame for the bad changes its the CCP developers who had responsibility to overhaul the wardec system. Obviously since its their job. I don't attack these guys personally because thats simply bad argumentation - but I do challenge their arguments and conclusions which I believe are poorly made and frankly - well, inconclusive. And I'm hardly alone in that position, the huge majority of feedback to these changes is negative. Don't believe me go and count up posts in the threads in question.

Not even the merc community reps (who are supposed to be boosted by this 1.1 change) are convinced it'll work in the slightest.

I have said these changes do nothing but boost giant alliances and provide them unreasonable protection against wardecs while stopping people from effectively countering the wardecs they themselves make. I stand by that position and I challenge anyone to debate the facts implicit in that assessment.

What consequence? Losing a mentally challenged JF pilot here and there? Losing an entire fleet of bombers? I think you overestimate how much we care about dying. You sure like the word consequence.

Well the greatest Consequence is probably your leader knuckleposting rage tweets and being held up to mockery by the Eve blogging community truth be told. But Psychological warfare is still warfare end of the day. The one thing that the largest alliance in the game cannot bear to happen is for it to be laughed at by "pubbies."

Thats happened.

Ergo,

Well, we win.

I notice you don't reply to any of the specifics of the quoted post by the way.

Jade, just because you have a decent vocabulary to hide behind, do not make the mistake of thinking that people are stupid. You even made a post in the CCL thread at the top of GD that was a blatant attack on Goonswarm, implying that if any of their members were to be hired as moderators, that they should be more carefully monitored than anyone else.

You asked for the names and affiliations of said moderators to be made public, for no other reason than your personal bias toward one particular group. The GM responding made it quite clear that this would NEVER happen and clarified the rules surrounding moderators for you.

You sure made a lot of assumptions out of the post I made there. I asked for a routine stocktake of alliances represented in the volunteer moderation team. Just so eve as a whole might feel happy to know that there was an even spread and one entity in particular was not dominating.



I most certainly did not ask for people's names to be made public, you are just making that up now!

I most are just making that up now!

That isn't true in any way shape or form. I'd challenge you to go off and perform a complete textual analysis of the threads in question but I'm guessing you aren't quite credulous enough to actually do it.

If you want to know who I blame for the bad changes its the CCP developers who had responsibility to overhaul the wardec system. Obviously since its their job. I don't attack these guys personally because thats simply bad argumentation - but I do challenge their arguments and conclusions which I believe are poorly made and frankly - well, inconclusive. And I'm hardly alone in that position, the huge majority of feedback to these changes is negative. Don't believe me go and count up posts in the threads in question.

Not even the merc community reps (who are supposed to be boosted by this 1.1 change) are convinced it'll work in the slightest.

I have said these changes do nothing but boost giant alliances and provide them unreasonable protection against wardecs while stopping people from effectively countering the wardecs they themselves make. I stand by that position and I challenge anyone to debate the facts implicit in that assessment.