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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2009.12.05 14:50:00 - [1] Time frame: - Fixing the Sovereignty claim level: Monday, December 7, 2009 - Seeding Disruption marker: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 - Lifting grace period: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 An Update on Transition of Sovereignty with Dominion As mentioned in CCP Abathur's Blog, existing Sovereignty-dependent starbase structures such as Cynosural System Jammers, which rely on your sovereign solar system having a minimum strategic index level, are currently being allowed to remain online during the transition grace period. This will allow your Alliance time to install the infrastructure hub and necessary strategic upgrades so that these structures can remain online after the grace period passes. This will occur on Monday, December 7, 2009, during downtime. We have decided to extend the grace period until downtime Tuesday December 15, 2009 in order to allow you to make sufficient preparations and changes to your infrastructure. After this time, if you do not meet the prerequisites for having the strategic starbase structures online, these will go offline and you will not be able to online them again until the prerequisites are met, similar to how a loss of sovereignty affected these starbase structures previously in Apocrypha. Seeding of Sovereignty Blockade Units on the market The Sovereignty Blockade Units, detailed in the previously linked blog, which make your solar system infrastructure vulnerable to attack, will be seeded onto the market during downtime on Tuesday December 8, 2009. The will be available from DED and CONCORD stations. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

FugginNutz Caldari Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.	Posted - 2009.12.05 15:51:00 - [2] so?
MAX MEXX	Posted - 2009.12.05 15:57:00 - [3] No one cares, pepole want motership changes.
Hannah Ganktannah Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:12:00 - [4] Don't care Go away
Odda Gallente Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:13:00 - [5] Want to make pepole hapy go and change motereships. Not more of this sov crap..
Depili Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:17:00 - [6] So we can attack and take the systems still on 8th after the SBUs are seeded, correct? And if someone takes control of a system then he can use cynojammers till 15th?
Crimsonjade Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:20:00 - [7] not sure the sov model will fix this but may as well ask. Are the anomolies going to re spawn after they are completed then? cause i don't see it on a known bug list. FREE MONGO PECK CCP
Varrakk Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:21:00 - [8] Who cares about this stupid sov system? Fix our freaking capital ships!
White Aero Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:31:00 - [9] I would be happy with just an HP buff and jump range buff on motherships. Is that to much to ask???? Atleast the change the damn jump range from 4 to 5 ly....COME ON!
Wollari Phoenix Industries Wicked Nation	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:38:00 - [10] When do we get the SystemIndexLevel API?
William Caldon Caldari Golden Cross Enterprises	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:47:00 - [11] Want some cheese with the whine? Geez you ppl.
Parda Illan	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:51:00 - [12] Impertinence and lack of education don't make you a winner. If you want something, ask it in proper ways. This thread is not about capital ships, is about sovereignty. If your complain is so strong, quit playing Eve.
Nijaza	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:56:00 - [13] Look at all you hardcore eve players, crying about your motherships! WA WA WA these soverignty changes are a good thing, so say thank you. Also, as i said these changes are good, and i welcome them, even if they do not affect me or any of the other majority of empire players in the cluster. HOWEVER, what does affect me is if i can EVER PLAY THIS GAME AGAIN! aka can you please fix the login-blank screen-wonderful music-cant play this game im paying for problem? maybe?? just a little bit?? please...maybe u could fix it? could you please fix it? 23
Tandin The Knights Templar R.A.G.E	Posted - 2009.12.05 16:56:00 - [14] Some people do care about this since you have to have strategic 3 to install JB upgrades. If you had sov 3 before the patch, you should have strategic 3 after. This is what they're fixing. "Boo hoo. Cry some more." CCP Whisper "There's no such thing as too much of a deathtrap. Y'all obviously need more deathtraps." CCP Prism X
New ones Caldari Koln united	Posted - 2009.12.05 17:24:00 - [15] momchanges > sov thingy's
fire elf Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.12.05 17:29:00 - [16] Oh no3s.. More Carebear haven!!
Ivanna Nuke Gallente Daralux	Posted - 2009.12.05 18:12:00 - [17] Posting in a soon to be threadnaught.
StyweBal THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.12.05 18:13:00 - [18] "which make your solar system infrastructure vulnerable to attack" Why would anyone want to install these?
Iguanoid Caldari The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.05 18:21:00 - [19] Fix the damn anomolies for love love of god --
Noix Arikani	Posted - 2009.12.05 18:22:00 - [20] No one cares FALLOUT, start fixing the goddamn motherships and the stupid wtfpwnmobile superdreads that you pathetically call "titan rebalanicing"
Fijaza	Posted - 2009.12.05 18:29:00 - [21] Noix has a great point, FIX THE BLACK LOGIN SCREEN THING!!! oh wait, he wasn't talking about that...woops
cok cola Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.05 19:05:00 - [22] Free Abathur
Carolina Lunatta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.05 19:22:00 - [23] Edited by: Carolina Lunatta on 05/12/2009 19:23:06 ood job on the dread changes by the way, now the naglfar is even worse than it was before the buff that made it useful now it's worse than it's ever been and is literally the biggest isk waste of a ship this side of strategic cruisers ccp's message to minmatar cap pilots: train literally everything to 5, then you'll only suck marginally less they might as well call the game amarr online
SRS Tali Minmatar Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2009.12.05 19:42:00 - [24] FIX NAGLFAR and other capitals!
Sierra X117	Posted - 2009.12.05 19:45:00 - [25] oooh, lots of cranky people here, how fun.
Galactic F3llati0	Posted - 2009.12.05 19:53:00 - [26] Edited by: Galactic F3llati0 on 05/12/2009 19:52:51 Failout.......fix the caps
Miranda Blaster	Posted - 2009.12.05 20:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Carolina Lunatta Edited by: Carolina Lunatta on 05/12/2009 19:23:06 ood job on the dread changes by the way, now the naglfar is even worse than it was before the buff that made it useful now it's worse than it's ever been and is literally the biggest isk waste of a ship this side of strategic cruisers ccp's message to minmatar cap pilots: train literally everything to 5, then you'll only suck marginally less they might as well call the game amarr online Listen to your customer base for once CCP!! You tards need to fix dreads and MoM's ASAFP! Oh yeah and at least make the other races as good as Amarr. Especially Caldari who get wtfpwned in PvP.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.05 20:30:00 - [28] Edited by: DaiTengu on 05/12/2009 20:30:29 as someone who owns a mothership, dread, and carrier... thanks :) now that this is fixed, go give me my mothership buff :colbert:
Gefex Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.05 20:52:00 - [29] CCP's priorities in the wrong place: 1. Make anomalies so they actually respawn more than once a day. 2. Give motherships more HP so they can actually log them in without fear of being insta fragged by a Titan driveby. 3. Everything else
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.12.05 21:43:00 - [30] You can tell it's the weekend, all the children are out in force. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.12.05 21:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Gefex CCP's priorities in the wrong place: 1. Make anomalies so they actually respawn more than once a day. 2. Give motherships more HP so they can actually log them in without fear of being insta fragged by a Titan driveby. 3. Everything else QFT, CCP does not care anyway so... add: 3. Re-rebalance dreads so Nalgfail & Phoenix don't suck. 4. Everything else. (new sov system wills till suck but is better than grinding poses i guess) "there is no cosmic anomalies bug" iraqpropagandaminister.jpg
Ghazbaran	Posted - 2009.12.05 21:53:00 - [32] Ok ccp. Ive played a few online games and some better than others. What usually makes a good game is not whats new but what works... You know the saying "If it ain't broke dot fix it"... Something broken and you need to fix it for the sake of the game and your company. Eventually people will get tired and stop playing, if not they wont use half the ships in the game and just stick to the ones that are not scrap metal, making the game monotonous. CCP should work in an efficient way, by this i don't mean giving everyone what they want but making things that will actually be used. Why spend countless hours designing a Mothership or a naglfar if it eventually going to fall in disuse due to the fact that it doesn't work. Please be efficient and make the game Fair. Plus if many people are saying it, something must be wrong, don't just jump in and start changing things in the dark, investigate the claims and make some changes before making more content.
Lith Erivi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:08:00 - [33] Fix MS now or let us ****ing dock them so I can fly something else.
Sister Satans	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:10:00 - [34] just fix the game roflmao
d4shing	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:12:00 - [35] I think you've conclusively found that for 6 million isk a day, goonswarm and atlas will sit on 100 odd systems until we have FTL spaceships IRL. Might as well raise the rent now. You must be pretty embarrassed that you listened to 119 pages of QQ from alliances with hundreds of billions or more, and cut the rent from 30 mil to 6. And of the 35-45k people logged in at any one time, how many can and do fly cap ships?
Harvey Keitel	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:16:00 - [36] What happened to "Adapt or Die?"
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Misaki Yuuko "there is no cosmic anomalies bug" iraqpropagandaminister.jpg Not that I enjoy **ing in to other peoples cereal, but: Originally by:** CCP Fear We are aware of this issue, and it's a high priority. We have, however, had problems in reproducing it on our internal servers. If you notice any of these things, create a bug report immediately, note down the name of the sites, your location and so forth. That will help our testers getting it confirmed and fixed sooner. As I said, this is considered a high priority and we are investigating it as we speak and as soon as we have a fix for it, it will be deployed on TQ.
Lith Erivi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Misaki Yuuko "there is no cosmic anomalies bug" iraqpropagandaminister.jpg Not that I enjoy **ing in to other peoples cereal, but: Originally by:** CCP Fear We are aware of this issue, and it's a high priority. We have, however, had problems in reproducing it on our internal servers. If you notice any of these things, create a bug report immediately, note down the name of the sites, your location and so forth. That will help our testers getting it confirmed and fixed sooner. As I said, this is considered a high priority and we are investigating it as we speak and as soon as we have a fix for it, it will be deployed on TQ. This is what they said about desync, I would like to point out it took them 2 years to fix it after this statement.
Nairb Ecrep	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:27:00 - [39] So seriously... Will you guys fix the pirate detection/survey/complex upgrades?
Draco Argen	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Gefex CCP's priorities in the wrong place: 1. Make anomalies so they actually respawn more than once a day. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I'm amazed how little publicity this is getting. As of downtime this morning we are noticing that Cosmic Anoms are no longer respawning. As of dominion, excusing the bugs with bad reporting of the true Military and Industrial index, the theory of increasing 0.0 populations had started to work. Taken only from a Providence perspective I admit but still. I saw a few upgraded locals double in average population. Spawning is VITAL. This happened with grav belts in WH space. It killed living in WH space for industrials. CA's were also working afik for day one and two. I will go through the process of investigation and bug report it but CCP do not miss this out. If you stem the migration potential just as it starts kiss your ass good bye to success, they won't try twice.
Princess Alienna	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:37:00 - [41] Come on admit it. You are caving in because all the big alliances are having to frieghter thier crap and cant, so you are helping them out and extending thier time. I.E. Atlas taking it to solar or xxdeathxx or whomever. Why dont you take back all the extra TCU's while you are patching. Giving all the huge alliance an isk boost by selling them. Motherships, could care less.
Altaree The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:38:00 - [42] Will this also fix the problem with anomolies not respawning? --Altaree
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Princess Alienna Come on admit it. You are caving in because all the big alliances are having to frieghter thier crap and cant, so you are helping them out and extending thier time. I.E. Atlas taking it to solar or xxdeathxx or whomever. Why dont you take back all the extra TCU's while you are patching. Giving all the huge alliance an isk boost by selling them. Motherships, could care less. Either that or certain alliances were shafted by being givin level 1 sov when they should had gotten at least level 3.
Glassback Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:44:00 - [44] Will the upgrades paid for and worked towards work? Our MS were nerfed - BECAUSE OF TARGETPAINTER!
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:47:00 - [45] Cosmic Anomalies will not be fixed until the current large alliances die. The response to this patch is showing what CCP already knows, there is massive demand by empire and low sec based corps/alliances to get out into 0.0, especially to set up one or two system small kingdoms. Lack of ability for these groups to access the "end game" costs CCP more account than are retained by the current 0.0 system. CCP's nerfing moons and will not fix isk generation until alliances begin to loose capital fleet that can not be replaced out of existing moon income. Nerfing your capital ships to uselessness is just another part of CCP's alliance breaking strategy. The new structure (so I understand please correct me if I'm wrong) lack a force field extending out from the structure. That means you can get right up close and kiss the thing with a mega loading (relatively cheap) void or other short range high DPS ship. Hyperion Void + Drones + 3 megstabs = 1338 DPS Rev in Siege with Beam Lasers = 2265 dps (3764 DPS with Pulse) Why have a ship that costs over 1b with it's @$$ hanging out in siege waiting for a Titan to do a drive by when the cap pilot and the alt he can't play and manage a cap at the same time will do just as much dps in subcaps. (Then again I understand CCP screwed up the implementation and sov holding structures can be anchored at the same moon as a POS, allowing for a jammer POS to turn this entire analysis on its head).
Dubaschu	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:50:00 - [46] Hi Players, I understand there are many issues with EVE however after reading the reply's I am amazed how rude and demanding you are..... If you have an issue and it took two years to fix for example, did you log a bug report yourself? That goes for all players not only one player to log it. I would personally advise that even though you may have heard or read that a particular bug would be fixed, still to log a report. If CCP get reports of a major bug with only 2 tickets logged for example and no one else complains, they will most likely add it to there repair schedule however if another bug is found and lets say for example 80 players report it as a bug then it would probably get fixed sooner. IÆm a developer myself and I can tell you that is how a large number of originations schedule there tasks. Maybe CCP would like to comment? If you have any issues with the game open a patent within HELP or open a Bug..use your best judgement. Any please donÆt write things such as ôI donÆt careö etcàThatÆs just rude and has lacks all respect. Dubaschu
Lith Erivi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:57:00 - [47] Edited by: Lith Erivi on 05/12/2009 22:58:24 Edited by: Lith Erivi on 05/12/2009 22:57:29 Originally by: CCP Hammer You all made your voices clear with important feedback, we listened and reverted things back to like they are on TQ while we take more time to reassess. We could have tried to put out ôsomethingö just because we have been talking about it, but then we would be in a situation where players are getting into ships that might very well change again in a coming patch. Given the amount of work to get one of these we just didnÆt feel that was the right thing to do. Good thing CCP doesn't just "put something out" and doesn't put stupid **** into the game half finished So in 2 years you guys are going to finally admit you can reproduce the issue and have a whole dev blog about fixing the anomalies respawning or are you actually on top of this one?
BSG75	Posted - 2009.12.05 23:09:00 - [48] You guys are doing great work, keep it up.
Miranda Blaster	Posted - 2009.12.05 23:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Dubaschu Edited by: Dubaschu on 05/12/2009 23:03:36 Edited by: Dubaschu on 05/12/2009 22:57:29 Hi Players, I understand there are many issues with EVE however after reading the reply's I am amazed how rude and demanding you are..... If you have an issue and it took two years to fix for example, did you log a bug report yourself? That goes for all players not only one player to log it. I would personally advise that even though you may have heard or read that a particular bug would be fixed, still to log a report. If CCP get reports of a major bug with only 2 tickets logged for example and no one else complains, they will most likely add it to there repair schedule however if another bug is found and lets say for example 80 players report it as a bug then it would probably get fixed sooner. IÆm a developer myself and I can tell you that is how a large number of originations schedule there tasks. Maybe CCP would like to comment? If you have any issues with the game open a patent within HELP or open a Bug..use your best judgement. And please donÆt write things such as ôI donÆt careö etcàThatÆs just rude and lacks all respect plus it does not help the game testers and developers to fix the issue. The more information developers generally have the easer it is for them to see the issue and provide a fix or workaround. Dubaschu In other words you're looking for a job and know how to brown nose. Great!
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.12.05 23:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Dubaschu And please donÆt write things such as ôI donÆt careö etcàThatÆs just rude and lacks all respect plus it does not help the game testers and developers to fix the issue. The more information developers generally have the easer it is for them to see the issue and provide a fix or workaround. Sorry but CCP are the first griefing, trolling and disrespecting their playerbase daily, so lol at that.
Dubaschu	Posted - 2009.12.05 23:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Miranda Blaster Originally by: Dubaschu Edited by: Dubaschu on 05/12/2009 23:03:36 Edited by: Dubaschu on 05/12/2009 22:57:29 Hi Players, I understand there are many issues with EVE however after reading the reply's I am amazed how rude and demanding you are..... If you have an issue and it took two years to fix for example, did you log a bug report yourself? That goes for all players not only one player to log it. I would personally advise that even though you may have heard or read that a particular bug would be fixed, still to log a report. If CCP get reports of a major bug with only 2 tickets logged for example and no one else complains, they will most likely add it to there repair schedule however if another bug is found and lets say for example 80 players report it as a bug then it would probably get fixed sooner. IÆm a developer myself and I can tell you that is how a large number of originations schedule there tasks. Maybe CCP would like to comment? If you have any issues with the game open a patent within HELP or open a Bug..use your best judgement. And please donÆt write things such as ôI donÆt careö etcàThatÆs just rude and lacks all respect plus it does not help the game testers and developers to fix the issue. The more information developers generally have the easer it is for them to see the issue and provide a fix or workaround. Dubaschu In other words you're looking for a job and know how to brown nose. Great! Nope, point is don't be rude and work with CCP to fix it...that goes that goes especially fir kiddes out there.
Wu Phat	Posted - 2009.12.05 23:25:00 - [52] All I have to say is the extension should not happen. Give nothing to no one. Right now your hurting the immersion effect by controling the game. Let them burn or raise to the challenge.
Basta Ya	Posted - 2009.12.05 23:26:00 - [53] Harrumph! Y'all wanting things fixed had a chance to vote me into the CSM :P
Olivor	Posted - 2009.12.06 00:04:00 - [54] Sort out the god damn cosmic anomalies bug!
Altaree The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.06 02:04:00 - [55] A lot of word with very little content. What exactly is being fixed? --Altaree
fenistil	Posted - 2009.12.06 02:42:00 - [56] Wow, this is amazing.. I know this game is about ganking, smashing, smack talking, tricking, betrayal (heads up there for ... ), and rarely friendship and fun. EVE (the game) is a cruel universe. We all know that. Here is something what I don't quite get and keeps me being pushed away from the community from time to time. Why do some people feel that they have to be so aggressive or rude when they are addressing an issue? "Fix my bloody capitol!" "Fix motherships!" "Fix the damn anomolies for love of god".. I am not saying those are not valid claims and you shouldn't be upset about a bug/missing feature etc.. After all _WE_ are financing CCP. What I am saying is that you are _HUMAN_ and your are talking to other _HUMAN_ beings. Give them a little respect and if you can't, just remain silent the yell a bit about CCP's mom on TS to your friends. Here is another thing that popped into my mind. You are angry, you wanna express your emotions and you wish CCP to hell, right? You go ahead and post it, you feel right about it. It's justified after all, you have all the rights in the world to be angry! Hell yes! What you forget is that every time you are showing the world that you are angry in such primitive ways, you are losing some of your dignity. Which one is harder? Writing a few "**** you/carebear/noob/stfu/go the hell" lines or actually making a point and taking the time to be useful by posting an intelligent reply to a topic?
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2009.12.06 03:07:00 - [57] Grace period and delaying the sbu release were a mistake, now mistake is being extended. \o/ oh wait.. --- [url=http://www.noir.pinacoderm.com/phpBB3][/url]
CBR Superfly	Posted - 2009.12.06 03:12:00 - [58] I don't care about the sov or motherships! What gets to me is that the Australasian TZ is always ****d for 'upgrades' / 'extended downtime'... Rather extend DT from where normal DT starts till you are finished, or better, rotate it a little. That way it is fair to all.
Roland Massatari	Posted - 2009.12.06 04:42:00 - [59] Hmm Thanks for the extension on the grace period and all but can you please fix the respwan issue on just about all the Plex sights radar sights and hidden belts? I logged on today and went to normal 0.0 system expecting to find PLEX sights galore but instead all I found were empty sights and no new places to replace them... I'm sorry was the description wrong on you new toys that you forgot to mention it takes more then 30 mins to spawn another sight? Also this might not be the thread for it but can you please fix our capital ships? New to the capital stage and already am looking back on my sub capital ships namely my appoc and wondering is it truly worth the billions of isk to go ahead with a capital class ships? Any insight on when you "might" decide to put them back the way they were before Dominion or change them to how you had them on SISI will be great. Also thanks for the paint change on faction ships they look awsome, but your gallente faction ships look ugly as sin sorry.
Sweet Laylah	Posted - 2009.12.06 04:56:00 - [60] Edited by: Sweet Laylah on 06/12/2009 04:58:40 Thanks for the update Fallout. Does that mean we can move TCU's ? Will CCP be fixing strategic counter if it drops due to losing sov while moving TCU? :)
Nina Leon	Posted - 2009.12.06 05:41:00 - [61] Edited by: Nina Leon on 06/12/2009 05:42:19 ***ing Works!!! LOL if the goal is to vent and blow off steam. Its workin 100% But if the goal it to actually get something done... not so much. If you were a DEV reading some of this this stuff what would be your response? And don't lie. At least not to yourself. So what words would honestly get your ear and actually make you want to deal with a situation? Use those words and see what happens. Your approach is everything. Props to the peeps that actually offer useful suggestions. LOL and to all of you that want me to go ** myself... lets just say i could and i would be ok with that.
Pandora Seren	Posted - 2009.12.06 05:48:00 - [62] new ship for maining
Poena Loveless Minmatar Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.12.06 06:29:00 - [63] This thread is now about Mothership changes or lackthereof. Discuss.
AndPeroxide	Posted - 2009.12.06 06:50:00 - [64] Hey here's a idea: let carriers assign fighters in .4 if you are going to let titans doomsday there! I know this might be hard for you super devs to consider and bother reading this- but where was the low sec dd allowed put in any testing or patch notes?
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.06 07:44:00 - [65] Confirming Dominion is about hisec carebears running missions and getting their lulz at emoraging cap ship pilots and alliance peeps whining cos their new wtfpwniskfaucets are all clogged up.
Hot Fudge Minmatar Sweet -N- Sticky	Posted - 2009.12.06 08:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Harvey Keitel What happened to "Adapt or Die?" It died when the big alliances stopped getting their own way. ========================= Sweet, sticky, and bad for your health.
Trazis Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.06 08:13:00 - [67] Can the next expansion please be Apoca-fix-EVE-minion or Red-Eve-unbroken-rise Honestly can we instead of doing all this incarna bs which will only make more issues, can we get you for 6 months to fix the freakin game.
Sic Volo	Posted - 2009.12.06 08:42:00 - [68] It was so easy to avoid all this pointless buying, freighting, anchoring and grace periods etc time consuming crap. Just put that units, hubs or whatever ANCHORED IN SPACE so the pilots in concerned aliances could play the game they like, not the ******* urgent logistic game CCP want them to play these two weeks.
Anonymous Gallentean Gallente	Posted - 2009.12.06 10:16:00 - [69] Edited by: Anonymous Gallentean on 06/12/2009 10:16:49 What I would like to see now: - CCP cancels changes to sov - CCP 'fixes' everyone's motherships, dreads and whatever caps - Players rush in from all over the place destroying the 'fixed' capships because of sov not working - Cap owners cry - Me lolz edit: oh, i forgot - ??? - profit I know, won't happen
MAX MEXX	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:02:00 - [70] CCP you are damn good at faling. DO somthing the players want now. Fix the god damn moterships.
FAIL Communicator	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:13:00 - [71] There will always be whiners and winners. People like to *** no matter what. Its up to u if u pay attention too their crap. They do their own case more damage then good in communication u always have to ask yourself if u just want to unload your anger or do u really want to make a constructive contribution to the actual solving of the issues. Clearly both camps present their case here. 3 guesses which case will be more compelling to people that earn their money making eve, who s pay depends on the direct succes of their actions. If u think that is the case by telling them to ing fix things then plz keep ranting. maybe u ll notice in your RL also u feel frustrated at times and have the feeling the whole world is against u and doesnt understand the brilliance of you points u present so elegantly to others.. I asume u rather have ccp closing eve down for a week and stress test all their releases too the fullest. its hard to keep a game going and innovating it the way they do. Most games have never such major overhauls. Eve has them on a regular basis. This was a announcement about fixing part of the sov issues. For some thats crucial , for others not. It still needs to be fixed, no matter if u feel that for u personally there are bigger issues. But ofcourse it makes sense that CCP has it in for u personally and your issues, they delibertly fix only the stuff that affects nobody, so most people *** or threaten too leave the game. It cant be they have a known issue list where they chart impact and urgency based on player impact and time neede to fix it. Btw, this is cynical, ofcourse they do it like that. (IF not , ccp, mail me and i ll show u !) Its a major change too EVE, changing eve for alot of players, offering new threats aswell as new options. that wil spawn winnners and loosers. U fly your ship u decide how u fit in there. Adapt or retire, its eve, is only 1 patch, many more will follow, makign your life hell or heaven at times. It s a ride enjoy it or pres escape. present your cases in a proper way, gather info, make a template post where u only let people post where and when what happened, and how many affected, help ccp build the case for their list of urgency and impact. use support cases. and have fun in the meanwhile. its a game u shoudl have fun, dont shout till u get a heartattack. internet space ship games are sexeh! greetz Corebloodbrothers FAIL allaince (yes we named it that, we dont fear the FAIL, if u are afraid to FAIL, we will do it for you)
Guygeboe Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:30:00 - [72] Originally by: FAIL Communicator bal bla bla bla dude make it short ffs!! FIX MOTHERSHIPSSSSS
Arkadrell	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:35:00 - [73] As a member of a corp. living full time in WH-space, it would certainly benefit the game if you fixed the anmoly problem. And on a side note let's rename EVE to Amarr Online unless you also want to fix that too.
something somethingdark	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:56:00 - [74] stop the amarr bashing they arnt that great ... you just suck p.s. FIX YOUR GOD DAMNED CONTENT HALF OF IT ISNT WORKING
Cpt Underpants Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:58:00 - [75] I say let's have less Homer Simpsons and more money for public schools.
Vuk Lau 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.12.06 12:03:00 - [76] Originally by: Jas Dor Cosmic Anomalies will not be fixed until the current large alliances die. The response to this patch is showing what CCP already knows, there is massive demand by empire and low sec based corps/alliances to get out into 0.0, especially to set up one or two system small kingdoms. Lack of ability for these groups to access the "end game" costs CCP more account than are retained by the current 0.0 system. CCP's nerfing moons and will not fix isk generation until alliances begin to loose capital fleet that can not be replaced out of existing moon income. Nerfing your capital ships to uselessness is just another part of CCP's alliance breaking strategy. More stuff You are wrong to the core. Small groups of players always could (tho in last year or two is bit harder due to more players in 0.0 and more coordination between alliances) venture to 0.0 and start their 0.0 saga. At least everyone who wanted to go to 0.0. There is essence of the problem. Majority of the players just dont want to leave safe heaven of highsec empire. I bet in Imperian's ass that even if u would totally nerf highsec empire income to the point u cant earn for GTC/PLEX, and boost 0.0 income to oblivion ppl would rather stop playing then go and try their luck in lowsec/empire. I know that from some odd reason CCP is against huge blocks in 0.0 making **load of isk, which is tbh ing me off cause there are ppl **ing isk (and I literally mean it) in empire without any risk, while 0.0 entities are blowing their asses off to make money (not to mention that there isnt more then 10 entities in 0.0 for which we can say they are "rich"). But CCP cant fix human tendencies to hoard together. If you think something is fundamentally broken in EVE, just try to find similar analogy in RL and you will see its not EVE which is broken, its human behavior which is. If its possible not to blob, then we will not have World Wars, or piling alliances onto single countries.
Liosa Rearl Caldari Fellowship of United Kopi Kau Kau	Posted - 2009.12.06 15:23:00 - [77] Edited by: Liosa Rearl on 06/12/2009 15:24:09 I knew when we opened this game up to noobs all the whiners would come in from other games. =( Adapt or Die people. And when you quit, please leave your stuff behind. And if you didn't get the message. Welcome to EvE. Now quit yer whining and get back to work. "If you can't accept the fact that you're going to get shafted, quit the bloody game."
haav0c	Posted - 2009.12.06 15:51:00 - [78] rar rar rar, fix motherships. actually, as a WHer, i really haven't noticed anything wrong with motherships in wh space XD. There's a problem with gravs spawning n rats spawning? good, maybe this will fix megacyte prices. Also, replying to the dude saying WH mining is broken, if you're not talking about the directional scanner not encompassing the entire system in C5s, or mining lasers being unable to damage ships, resulting in people taking their hands off the keyboard whenever they land in a warp bubble. assuming you're whining about the grav sites not respawning, once that happens, you just move WHs :P not broken at all. Also, if few people were complaining about Motherships before, why are they complaining now?
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.12.06 15:53:00 - [79] Edited by: Misaki Yuuko on 06/12/2009 15:53:49 A perfect example of how CCP griefs their own playerbase, making **** like this possible: http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005 Fix MOMS.
Julio Torres Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.06 16:33:00 - [80] Edited by: Julio Torres on 06/12/2009 16:32:58 Originally by: Misaki Yuuko Edited by: Misaki Yuuko on 06/12/2009 15:53:49 A perfect example of how CCP griefs their own playerbase, making **** like this possible: http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005 Fix MOMS. He he he.. I said it a few weeks ago. The titan menace we had before, would be nothing compared to the grief-machine they have created now. Titans, bankrupting one player at a time.
Emperor Dano Caldari Critical Mass Inc. Symbiogenesis	Posted - 2009.12.06 17:17:00 - [81] Edited by: Emperor Dano on 06/12/2009 17:39:04 i swear, you people will ***** about everything.
Slavemaster	Posted - 2009.12.06 18:19:00 - [82] Edited by: Slavemaster on 06/12/2009 18:27:19 Edited by: Slavemaster on 06/12/2009 18:21:16 Man, this is worse than the WOW forum, so I guess kids will be kids even while they turn 40.
Leina Kubyeshev Vengeance Imperium Financial Federal Republic	Posted - 2009.12.06 18:48:00 - [83] I really like how ironic it is that they play up systems spawning more anomalies and then we discover it doesn't work. Way to go CCP. Fix Motherships Fix Anomalies
Miranda Blaster	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:23:00 - [84] lulz @ CCP's epic fail at not fixing Motherships: Mothership Goes Down
drall	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:58:00 - [85] I have a question reading the OP it sounds like they are extending the grace period needed for sov required mechanics such as jb's and cyno jammers. But it also says they are seeding the sbu's as planned. So,, you can break sov as of the 8th or the 15th?
Gunsnroses Hmmzor.	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:50:00 - [86] Edited by: Gunsnroses on 06/12/2009 20:50:47 Stop worrying about sov. Fix MOMS Oh, and i dont know anyone who likes the new mail system where mails dont stack on someones name. I want to be able to click on someones name and only see those evemails like the old way. Maybe i can and dont know how. But the default setup is more fail than the Insta popped moms. But go ahead continue to show you dont actualy listen to your player base.
Mkiaki Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.06 21:01:00 - [87] I honestly think the mom's are fine, Titans are amazing, and all is good. I'd give the motherships a mining drone bonus, so they have a new role.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.12.06 21:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Hannah Ganktannah Don't care Go away That's kind of like telling someone to leave when you're visiting their home in the first place. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Sloan X	Posted - 2009.12.06 22:22:00 - [89] i understand why the grace, keep up the good work. some of you guys might wanna look in to console games, there is never any problems. just put in your shinny disk and instant HAPPIENESS!!! you players who keep bashing the DEV's is why many studios are only making console games. you should all support this kind of game production. cheers CCp avant-garde
Captain Sonic R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.06 23:18:00 - [90] Massive lol at u mom pilots that think "the eve player base" only cares for the moms to be fixed i personaly could not care less I like the new sov changes and srsly if u want a game where "the whiners get what they want" go play wow.. blizz are massivly good at giving whining carebears everyting they want :)
Azura Skye	Posted - 2009.12.06 23:39:00 - [91] Someone needs to call the whambulance on these super-cap pilots. For the small percentage of the player-base you folks represent, your concerns are.... trivial. You clearly have billions of isk. Pay someone to listen to you complain. You're going to have a hard time getting sympathy out of the bulk of us still running 4's in battleships. I'm not one to defend someone who already has all the money but seriously people, I'm sure CCP is trying as hard as they can to get your stations back online. Just take a deep breath and have some eggnog for Caldari's sake.
Pelannie	Posted - 2009.12.07 00:02:00 - [92] Edited by: Pelannie on 07/12/2009 00:02:59 Originally by: Sloan X i understand why the grace, keep up the good work. some of you guys might wanna look in to console games, there is never any problems. just put in your shinny disk and instant HAPPIENESS!!! you players who keep bashing the DEV's is why many studios are only making console games. you should all support this kind of game production. cheers CCp avant-garde You twitter on about this and that, jeeez. Which is prob why CCP is developing Dust, they can save them selves a load of grief from you whiners and dev wages fixing the whines by moving to console concepts.
Boogiez Did I just do that Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.12.07 00:55:00 - [93] Well you guys should stop crying and show abit of respect Dont think CCP is here to ruin your game attually they do a good work ... Things takes time and your guys should go out and take a look on the world outside your computerworld maybe you will find that interesting ?? After that try to come back and them all your problems are solved i guess ...
JACKIE M00N	Posted - 2009.12.07 01:04:00 - [94] Word has it that talk is cheap on the internet...
Jason Marshall Gallente Hammer Of Light Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:19:00 - [95] Wish they would address the upgrades not working.
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:40:00 - [96] Originally by: CCP Fallout Time frame: - Fixing the Sovereignty claim level: Monday, December 7, 2009 - Seeding Disruption marker: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 - Lifting grace period: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 Does that mean that sov is vulnerable on the 8th or the 15th?
Spurty Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.07 05:25:00 - [97] Originally by: Caladain Barton Originally by: CCP Fallout Time frame: - Fixing the Sovereignty claim level: Monday, December 7, 2009 - Seeding Disruption marker: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 - Lifting grace period: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 Does that mean that sov is vulnerable on the 8th or the 15th? Very good question. CCP, does the above timetable mean the following statement is true? You may buy the DMUs (Disruption marker units) on the 8th, but pointless deploying until the 15th when the Invulnerability of Sov is removed. Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Nairb Ecrep	Posted - 2009.12.07 05:55:00 - [98] So can we get a response about upgrades and sov? That is the point of this thread, right (we ask questions, you provide info)?

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2009.12.07 07:15:00 - [99] Originally by: Spurty Originally by: Caladain Barton Originally by: CCP Fallout Time frame: - Fixing the Sovereignty claim level: Monday, December 7, 2009 - Seeding Disruption marker: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 - Lifting grace period: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 Does that mean that sov is vulnerable on the 8th or the 15th? Very good question. CCP, does the above timetable mean the following statement is true? You may buy the DMUs (Disruption marker units) on the 8th, but pointless deploying until the 15th when the Invulnerability of Sov is removed. No, that is not what it means at all. Your sovereignty will be vulnerable to attack. The Sovereignty Blockade Units (SBU) if onlined at more than 51% of your systems gates makes your outpost if in system, or infrastructure hub if it is in system or your TCU vulnerable. The grace period only relates to the existing sovereignty restricted starbase structures such as cyno jammers and jump bridges. Before the grace period ends at downtime Tuesday 15th December you must have the appropriate strategic upgrade installed into the infrastructure hub in order for these to remain online afterwards.

Ivanna Nuke Gallente Daralux	Posted - 2009.12.07 09:35:00 - [100] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Spurty Originally by: Caladain Barton Originally by: CCP Fallout Time frame: - Fixing the Sovereignty claim level: Monday, December 7, 2009 - Seeding Disruption marker: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 - Lifting grace period: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 Does that mean that sov is vulnerable on the 8th or the 15th? Very good question. CCP, does the above timetable mean the following statement is true? You may buy the DMUs (Disruption marker units) on the 8th, but pointless deploying until the 15th when the Invulnerability of Sov is removed. No, that is not what it means at all. Your sovereignty will be vulnerable to attack. The Sovereignty Blockade Units (SBU) if onlined at more than 51% of your systems gates makes your outpost if in system, or infrastructure hub if it is in system or your TCU vulnerable. The grace period only relates to the existing sovereignty restricted starbase structures such as cyno jammers and jump bridges. Before the grace period ends at downtime Tuesday 15th December you must have the appropriate strategic upgrade installed into the infrastructure hub in order for these to remain online afterwards. Impending ****storm in 3...2.
New ones Caldari Koln united	Posted - 2009.12.07 09:43:00 - [101] CCP stil failes. fix supercaps instead of some crapy sov system..
VSlash	Posted - 2009.12.07 09:52:00 - [102] Originally by: CCP Chronotis The grace period only relates to the existing sovereignty restricted starbase structures such as cyno jammers and jump bridges. Before the grace period ends at downtime Tuesday 15th December you must have the appropriate strategic upgrade installed into the infrastructure hub in order for these to remain online afterwards. And what about moving TCUs? And namely - restoring sovereignty after moving it to another location. Because if everybody decides to leave TCUs where they were placed (p1m1) then you might aswell add 'Hai come shoot me for fun' under the alliance logo of the TCU.
Rejected Enlightenment Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:21:00 - [103] Straight answer, when will sov be vulnerable, after downtime on the 8th, or after downtime on the 15th?
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:13:00 - [104] Originally by: Rejected Enlightenment Straight answer, when will sov be vulnerable, after downtime on the 8th, or after downtime on the 15th? yes :P
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Eclats de verre	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:25:00 - [105] The lack of refuelling boredom makes some people happy, for sure, but their masters won't let them talk in public... Still, the momkills with just a bit more damage than the titan DD makes no sense... No matter how crap fitted they were (T2 tanking? lol, faction is cheap compared to the other stuff in the fit). -- Fanfest memories : I looked in your eyes And I found the galaxy Now I'm stuck in eve.
Johan Civire	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:43:00 - [106] CCP good work :) thxs for the fixs Some day i will hunt you!
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Blade.	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:06:00 - [107] Just give Motherships the ability to bridge a cyno and all will be well.
Vospri Yon Fusion Enterprises Ltd C0LD Fusion	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:15:00 - [108] ccp are you trying to make your customers quit? First post... Quote: Due to this discovery, we will therefore extend the grace period, allowing Alliances to better prepare for the upcoming Sovereignty changes. Now you post Quote: No, that is not what it means at all. Your sovereignty will be vulnerable to attack. Could you for the love of god learn how to communicate with your customers; your original post should have said "we will let you keep your current strategic level till the 15th to allow for more time with deloyment, however the new sov system goes live on the 8th after dt." This is just another example of ******ed comms which make me wonder why I play this game.
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.12.07 13:01:00 - [109] CCP are autistic, don't hope for good communication from them lol. On other news, are you going to do soemthing about server performance? Current eprformance it's way worse than before patch, don't know what has screwed things up.
Camaris The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.12.07 13:57:00 - [110] This sov update did amazing things, while the rest of our constellation has sov 2 (pre-dominion sov 3) as of today we now have 2 systems that were the last to hit sov 3 pre dominion now sitting at 85% to level 4. Cool Patch Bro.
Shizah Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.07 14:13:00 - [111] Who will get notification of BCU's being deployed in your system -- or attack notifications? So far it appears that only directors are getting this information, and only the directors in the corporation that holds the system sov. These notifications need to go out on an alliance wide basis or we will not be able to properly monitor them.
Femaref Armageddon Day	Posted - 2009.12.07 14:41:00 - [112] Originally by: Xina Tutor Originally by: Rejected Enlightenment Straight answer, when will sov be vulnerable, after downtime on the 8th, or after downtime on the 15th? yes :P <3
drall	Posted - 2009.12.07 14:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Rejected Enlightenment Straight answer, when will sov be vulnerable, after downtime on the 8th, or after downtime on the 15th? Sov becomes vulnerable on the 8th.
davet517 Raata Invicti Undivided	Posted - 2009.12.07 14:54:00 - [114] Thank you for the update. It has been asked a few times, but no answer yet, so I'll ask again. Will it be possible to contest sov starting tomorrow when the disruptors are seeded, or are TCUs invulnerable until the 15th? If I'm reading right it looks like the "grace period" is only for getting TCUs anchored while not losing strat index. We should be able to contest anchored TCUs as soon as the units are seeded. Would a dev please confirm or deny this? ---------------- We're recruiting quality players. Check us out.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2009.12.07 15:40:00 - [115] DT came and went and the strategic index wasn't fixed. Great work CCP.
Tactikill Caldari Allied Tactical Squadron	Posted - 2009.12.07 15:55:00 - [116] These forums are becoming more and more useless because of stupid posts like the ones at the beginning of this thread and then there are the thread hijackers. Since when did this thread become about motherships? CCP, you need to delete those useless posts and those that aren't on topic. Yeah, you can delete this off-topic thread too.

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2009.12.07 16:09:00 - [117] Originally by: davet517 Will it be possible to contest sov starting tomorrow when the disruptors are seeded, or are TCUs invulnerable until the 15th? Yes, the only thing stopping sovereignty from being contested is the lack of Sovereignty Blockade Units to anchor and online at the gates in systems you wish to contest. They will be seeded on the market tomorrow during downtime. Quote: If I'm reading right it looks like the "grace period" is only for getting TCUs anchored while not losing strat index. We should be able to contest anchored TCUs as soon as the units are seeded. Would a dev please confirm or deny this? The grace period only affects the time you have to install strategic upgrades into hubs in systems where you wish to keep your jump bridge or cyno jammer array online. For example, the jump bridge starbase structure requires the Advanced Logistics Network Strategic upgrade installed into the infrastructure hub. If that requirement is not met before downtime on the 15th December then the jump bridge will go offline after downtime when we lift the grace period.

Tamara Nostrum	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:27:00 - [118] Not being a WoW player myself, I took a brief look at their forums, and I have to say, the day when 'go back to WoW' actually becomes a compliment in terms of the quality of forum posts doesn't look to be as far off as I'd thought. Who let all these whiny teenagers in? I agree with the previous (non-dev) post; CCP should clean the thread of this needless rude spam. Keep up the good work CCP! I wish you luck in ignoring the idiots. In other news, governments of the world are looking to introduce an IQ test to control access to the Internet in an attempt to stem the tide of web-enabled complete morons...
Shizah Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.07 22:14:00 - [119] Originally by: ****ah Who will get notification of BCU's being deployed in your system -- or attack notifications? So far it appears that only directors are getting this information, and only the directors in the corporation that holds the system sov. These notifications need to go out on an alliance wide basis or we will not be able to properly monitor them. Was my question stupid, do I have the wrong forum, or has this been answered already -- and if so, where. Thank you
db T M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.12.08 00:49:00 - [120] Edited by: db T on 08/12/2009 00:53:51 Edited by: db T on 08/12/2009 00:52:57 What I find amusing about this thread is how the only ones supporting CCP, not pointing out how they've botched Dominion and so on, are the people who doesn't show corp- or allianceticker. PS: I know why. It's because you play EVE in highsec without any human interaction and as long as Ravens spew out free isk you won't say ****. PPS: How to not be a moronic douchebag: Do not comment on something you have no experience with. ie no-corp alts should be quiet from now on kthxbye. edit for clarification: ... because you don't know anything.
Alucard291 SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:14:00 - [121] Originally by: db T Edited by: db T on 08/12/2009 00:53:51 Edited by: db T on 08/12/2009 00:52:57 What I find amusing about this thread is how the only ones supporting CCP, not pointing out how they've botched Dominion and so on, are the people who doesn't show corp- or allianceticker. PS: I know why. It's because you play EVE in highsec without any human interaction and as long as Ravens spew out free isk you won't say ****. PPS: How to not be a moronic douchebag: Do not comment on something you have no experience with. ie no-corp alts should be quiet from now on kthxbye. edit for clarification: ... because you don't know anything. Omg I'm agreeing with an NC member...
Jahna Yual	Posted - 2009.12.09 02:02:00 - [122] WE WANT OLD MOROS DRONES BONUS !!!!!!!!! STOP THE NERF !!!!!
Bilbo II Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.09 07:15:00 - [123] Originally by: ****ah Who will get notification of BCU's being deployed in your system -- or attack notifications? So far it appears that only directors are getting this information, and only the directors in the corporation that holds the system sov. These notifications need to go out on an alliance wide basis or we will not be able to properly monitor them. We had sov attacked in a sys so far away we couldnt be asked to go offline the tcu. Only the holding corp got mail when the stops were dropped. Everyone in the alliance, EXCEPT the holding corp, got a mail when the stops were actually online
Blue Dragon ION Corp. Holdings	Posted - 2009.12.16 23:19:00 - [124] Originally by: db T Edited by: db T on 08/12/2009 00:53:51 Edited by: db T on 08/12/2009 00:52:57 What I find amusing about this thread is how the only ones supporting CCP, not pointing out how they've botched Dominion and so on, are the people who doesn't show corp- or allianceticker. PS: I know why. It's because you play EVE in highsec without any human interaction and as long as Ravens spew out free isk you won't say ****. PPS: How to not be a moronic douchebag: Do not comment on something you have no experience with. ie no-corp alts should be quiet from now on kthxbye. edit for clarification: ... because you don't know anything. You may find that some of us in empire space are there waiting for the SOV storm to pass or settle down first. If things are sufficiently settled then we'll reassess as a corp on if the risk outweighs the reward to be in 0.0. As far as problems with things not working? I don't vent here, I submit a ticket. Do you?

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