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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:08:00 -
[31]
Besides the fail of trying to force PvP for a PvE mission, who thought these "experimental missions" even scale with other missions? 22 Jumps? Normal courier storylines through high-sec have only ever been 3 - 6 jumps, max, for me. The scale of that alone is fail.
But then it's hard-coded to send you to low sec. I'll skip, thank you very much. I have no aversion to low sec, mind you, but I don't plan on running missions in a section of low sec that we don't have significant corp presence in.
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Boink'urr
Minmatar
Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.12.11 15:50:00 -
[32]
Is there btw a section where we can give feedback on these experimental accidents?
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Boink'urr
Minmatar
Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:19:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: CCP Jasonitas
This mission is a part of a new batch of missions that we're testing out. Essentially, this is content that is directly related to the ongoing storyline of EVE, namely, the capture of Gallente systems by the Caldari FW militia and the ensuing blind auction to Caldari megacorps. Thus, this is content that was created as a response to how you, the players, influenced the story in-game and in-setting.
Thus, it is as designed. We have a dev blog coming out that explains a bit more about it, so stay tuned for it. These missions are only for Gallente and are highly experimental in nature. We're keeping an eye on it to see how well it is received by you guys.
As for feedback: Wouldn't these mission be in their right place with FW agents since it's FW militia that led to these missions?
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Tzacos Tzunkars'sHD
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:53:00 -
[34]
Originally by: CCP Jasonitas
This mission is a part of a new batch of missions that we're testing out. .....
This is kind of mission that cost a ship to everyone doing it?
personnally i've got a storyline with a non combattant character, lvl IV storyline, deep in 5 low sec system. i can t refuse it as i ll lost too much. but i can't do the mission. how comme i could get on with it?
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tzacos Tzunkars'sHD
Originally by: CCP Jasonitas
This mission is a part of a new batch of missions that we're testing out. .....
This is kind of mission that cost a ship to everyone doing it?
personnally i've got a storyline with a non combattant character, lvl IV storyline, deep in 5 low sec system. i can t refuse it as i ll lost too much. but i can't do the mission. how comme i could get on with it?
just decline the mission and no loss?
and besides just because it is in lowsec doesn't mean you will lose a ship.
You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:25:00 -
[36]
Manu Hermanus said "just decline the mission and no loss?"
It's a storyline mission so you're losing your chance of faction standings until the next storyline mission.
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Draco C
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Posted - 2009.12.12 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Draco C on 12/12/2009 09:17:05
Interesting missions, these. Got dealt a L1 Mining Base Camp mission in Iges whilst (ironically) trying to grind factional standings to join FW.
After a bit of a chat with a few others, fitted my incursus with a PvP fit (with no repper), long range ammo, and proceeded to kite the guards whilst sniping at them with railguns - an interesting feeling to be hitting stuff from 20km in a frigate! Kept a constant watch on my D-Scan for probes, but I think I was helped that Iges was already behind the lines, and only 1 jump out of hisec.
Definately not something for your average mission runner. If I'd pulled a mission in Intaki, for example, it would have been a bit more hairy. Anyone warping in to take me out would have seen me warp out and wait a bit at a safespot, hopefully having been chased off by the rats (with their annoying jammers). At least getting out was okay.
Anyway, thanks for the implant!
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jst tstng
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Posted - 2009.12.12 13:29:00 -
[38]
Did the L3 version of this from the same agent as OP. It was in a quiet lowsec system.
After the first surprise of a neut tower, finished it slowly in an ishkur. Got +/-30 mil implant  Which kinda covered the loss of the iskhur that died in the first attempt.
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eBrainiac
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Posted - 2009.12.12 14:29:00 -
[39]
Same here:
Mining Base Camp - Hyasyoda Corporation Objectives
The following objectives must be completed to finish the mission:
Objective
Take Out the Caldari Hulks
Location
0.2 Vey (Low Sec Warning!)
The Rewards:
231,000 isk
implant:
Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZGA100 (right now in the market details show only: 680k isk TOP!)
So what is this? some kind of scam??????
CCP should check better this... 
Had to decline...
I don¦t even have the interceptor, or battleship skills
does this ring a bell to you+?
that i¦m a rookie 
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Arric Rohr
Gallente
Intergalactic Science LLC
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Posted - 2009.12.13 05:27:00 -
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I got one of these today. I'm ok with being sent in to low sec, but 11 systems deep, through Placid, is a tough run. Doing it in a ship that can do the level 4 mission sort of guarantees that I won't have a PvP fit. I approve of changing missions, but I'm not sure this is the right approach. Especially with the very marginal reward.
Also, storylines are kind of important. Maybe not the best place for an experiment.
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jst tstng
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Posted - 2009.12.13 13:38:00 -
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So you decline a mission here and there, no big problem. The next storyline I got from the same agent was materials for war. Now there is a "Storyline" mission that should be fixed.
Im guessing the isk reward will improve a lot since everybody is declining these missions.
Even though I was a bit annoyed by loosing a ship in this mission it was mostly my own fault for wanting to do it too quickly.
I would just like to say, nice work CCP.
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Juliette Leblanc
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.13 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Chajitsoyo
The only reason I even want to bother with missions in the first place is upping my standings
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Beef up the rewards
I think the reward is the standing increase. Why should they buff it up? If it's too low for you, do not do the mission.
The risk/reward is most probably right. If you consider the REAL risk.
The additional risk you get for not knowing how to play should not be considered risk.
These are level 1s. I have not done any, but I'm pretty sure they are doable with t1 fitted t1 frigates. A gang of three (maybe even 2) players should be more than capable of doing them, if the players know how to play.
It's not a question of SPs. It's RL skills. It's actually pretty difficult to get a frigate in lowsec, if the pilot knows what he's doing, as there are no bubbles.
Originally by: CCP Prism X
In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Juliette Leblanc
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.13 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
thats the high sec equivilant of me taking a mission in delve !
Actually no. That's the equivalent as you and a few dozen others led by bobby going for an op in Insmother (or in Geminate, if that's where you are heading now).
Originally by: Mikal Drey
there is no crossovers everyone hates each others playstyle. grats on making the sandbox so huge and different that everyone sits in their corner ignoring each other. :/
If you make a sandbox you allow for hundreds of different play-styles. Any single player will love two or three of them and hate the others. Hence the perception that everybody hates someone else's play-style.
People that sit in the corner and ignore the others, are those that like the "sit in the corner and ignore others" play-style. All other people will instead aggregate and go ahead playing their favorite play-style.
This is by design.
Originally by: Mikal Drey
superb job for creating something different.
Actually yes! Finally something different. Something where losing do have a consequence. Where grouping and playing with others is not a way to farm better loot but a necessity for survival. Something where group aggregation, tactics and player skills are more important than items and level (but of course not more than items + level + tactics + group play).
Originally by: CCP Prism X
In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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weebil
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Posted - 2009.12.13 22:38:00 -
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This sounds awesome. I think all storylines should be like this! Standings are too easy to get, along with stuff like putting up unkillable poses in empire. People should work for these standings and take a bit of a risk
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Yazzinra
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Posted - 2009.12.14 13:39:00 -
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Got the kill Caldari Hulks mission last night, 13 jumps, 3 in 0.2. lost an incursus, after killing the first group of cruisers/frigates, got spawned on by the second group. literally ontop of me. never stood a chance. finished the mission in my pve thorax, just as a tengu found me. hope he got some good loot from what i left behind.
it was actually alot of fun. looking forward to the next one, i just hope its not as far away this time. also hope noones hunting a tech1 cruiser in a tech3 one, else i might have stayed and fought him. at least once i was podded, i wouldnt have had to make 10 jumps to get back to my missioning hub 
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Delenne Sheridan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:16:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Eagle Tibbets
Edited by: Eagle Tibbets on 07/12/2009 18:32:23
Agent Name :
Brarel Orollede Brarel Orollede
Personnel Division
0.7 Halle VII - Moon 6 - Federal Intelligence Office Assembly Plant
Mining Base Camp - Lai Dai Corporation
Mission briefing
Lai Dai Corporation is attempting to form a foothold in Esesier. TheyÆve got the early stages of a mining base established and plan to begin production very soon. From the looks of it, Lai Dai Corporation plans to be there for a long time. We need you to spoil their plans. Take out all the industrial vessels you can find at this base. Be wary of any escorts, though: They do not look willing to leave.
Be careful: This mission will take you into lowsec. I would recommend switching to a ship designed for inter-capsuleer conflicts, just in case your piratical brethren want a piece of you en route. Once you get to the site itself, though, you shouldnÆt receive very much resistance. The megacorporations arenÆt exactly known for the might of their security forces.
This mission expires in 7 days.
This is an important mission, which will have significant impact on your faction standings.
Mining Base Camp - Lai Dai Corporation Objectives
The following objectives must be completed to finish the mission:
Objective
Destroy all Lai Dai Corporation Industrial ships.
Location
0.3 Esesier (Low Sec Warning!)
(The route generated by current autopilot settings contains low security systems!)
Rewards
The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission:
1 Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Lancer' G1-Beta
Bonus Rewards
The following rewards will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 40 minutes.
80000 Credits
This is a mission i got the other day first impression was like *curse words* this agent is sending me to low sec. But ok i decide on doing this and get me a ship that i'm willing to take to low sec on a mission like this, get to the agent and set destination to the system he is sending me to, Esesier.
First glance at the distance and im like  25 jumps then i remember i probably have autopilot set to prefer safer as i don't go to much to low sec. I go to the autopilot settings and set it to prefer shorter. 18 jumps   sums up me feelings at that point.
PETITION TIME well first thought was this has got to be a bug or something. Didn't really expect answer until in a weeks time so i was surprised to when by petition flashed an answer after about 120sec 
Answer i got was that this was by design and i might have autopilot set to safe as i had be for but corrected be for i put in the petition. I tell the GM that and he suggested i post in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum that i don't think are right.
So here i am with a agent that wants to send me 18 jumps through mostly low sec to get a bad implant and almost no isk so risk v reward is really low.
 Is this a mission that is as intended as the GM said or is there a bug in it I cant remember an agent sending me on more than 5-8 jump out from the system they are in
If this is as intended then reward needs to be beefed up a bit to make it worth it, well don't know how much standing im getting but it cant be worth the 36 jump round trip i have to do to complete this
I had a similar but related mission, wanted me to go 11 jumps away and kill the mining hulks at this site in low sec, so I dont think its a bug. Had me go from Stou to Vey.
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Enduser Archaeon
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Posted - 2009.12.16 05:04:00 -
[47]
I like the idea, but the rewards are trash compared to the risk involved. Just got this turd for my storyline :\
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:52:00 -
[48]
Dear CCP Jasonitas,
thank you for this change. It will make running Gallente missions worthless so more people will flock to the Caldari agents and thus my LP with various Gallente corps will be worth more since there's less people cashing them in.
Please nerf Minmatar in the same way, I still have a ton of unspent LP with them.
Bonus points if you ostensibly base it on a different game feature that was advertised as "it will have no effect on anyone not involved" AFTER said feature has been all but abandoned.
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And you wonder why people think CCP is favoring Caldari.
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DradStone Major
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Posted - 2009.12.20 02:15:00 -
[49]
This is the third Low sec mission I have gotten in a ROW I am in a Corp but fly solo how many do I have to turn down and take a hit before it stops.
Drad
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Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.20 07:32:00 -
[50]
Since CCP have given Caldari so much space, and since they have good agents (L4 Q20..), and because they have MORE MISSION RUNNERS, it would yield better results to give them these kind of missions. Larger amount of caldari mission runners + new missions = more results. 
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byggmester
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Posted - 2009.12.20 10:47:00 -
[51]
time and risk vs reward... its not worth it.
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logster
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Posted - 2009.12.20 13:38:00 -
[52]
OK so in lvl 4 they upped the reward to a 100+ mil implant the KVA2000, of course I have one and won't risk it in low-sec so I would need to fit out a jump clone for this mission. Got this one from Duvolle Labs a production agent of all things, the type that is 90% courier, so obviously I'm perfect for a lo-sec PvP mission.
But still 18 jumps, bring friends you're likely to be swarmed, and "a ship designed for inter-capsuleer conflicts"
So after a year working on my PvE skills I'm supposed to be able to fit and use a PvP ship. Oh and I noticed its in the same system as someone elses post, so the gate campers know we're coming.
Again not all players are the same, if i was in college or high school and had 10 friends playing I'm sure a few of us could all grab our jump clones and give it a try. But as a relatively solo player in and mission and indy corp I have no chance. And the more players in it, the less the isk/time reward, this mission is terrible for its financial benefit, even the implant I would have to sell to give some isk to my buddies to cover the wasted time of 36 jumps.
DECLINE
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Tepell
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Posted - 2009.12.22 17:36:00 -
[53]
well..
same story here..
Objective
Kaalakiota is attempting to form a foothold in Odamia. TheyÆve got the early stages of a mining base established and plan to begin production very soon. From the looks of it, Kaalakiota plans to be there for a long time. We need you to spoil their plans. Take out all the industrial vessels you can find at this base. Be wary of any escorts, though: Kaalakiota does not look willing to leave.
I would highly recommend that you bring friends along for this mission. Not only will you be flying to lowsec, but the odds of your being overwhelmed are high.
Location
0.2 Odamia (Low Sec Warning!)
(The route generated by current autopilot settings contains low security systems!)
Rewards
The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission:
one unit of Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KUA1000
Now.. I am in Oerse.. i have to get to Odamia.. for an imlany worth 900k , risk ship first to get my a** through 5 0.0 systems and then do !!!! 23 jumps !!!! I got this as a story line mission..
c'mon be serious this is really frustrating as i am working towards my standings. This is NOT FAIR
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Oscillation Overthruster
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Posted - 2009.12.22 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah..................
You mean based on the exploits of a handful of players used to capture all gallente systems.
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So says the greatest exploiter of them all.
You would know, wouldn't you?
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.22 22:24:00 -
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I suspect there would be a lot less rabble if the experimental missions were more properly balanced reward-wise for their extra difficulty, and better scaled by level, and had been properly announced beforehand
This likely came out of the FW roundtable at Fanfest where it was suggested that loosing systems could maybe have a consequence like this (video is online).
It's good that it's being tried, but there needs to be less half-assery about it.
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Boink'urr
Minmatar
Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.12.22 23:58:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Boink''urr on 23/12/2009 00:00:50
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
I suspect there would be a lot less rabble if the experimental missions were more properly balanced reward-wise for their extra difficulty, and better scaled by level, and had been properly announced beforehand
This likely came out of the FW roundtable at Fanfest where it was suggested that loosing systems could maybe have a consequence like this (video is online).
It's good that it's being tried, but there needs to be less half-assery about it.
The whole problem is that this comes from FW, but its dumped in normal storyline missions. I've suggested this before, stuff them in FW agents, then there probably isn't going to be any fuss, aside from the 21 jumps :)
I got 3 of these in a row from manufacturing agents - pretty much crap for an industrail char to have to go into losec 3 times in a row to gain standing for production and refining...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.24 12:32:00 -
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A question to those that have done one or more of these missions:
In the description the targets are said being part of different Caldari corporations.
So you are killing your faction standing killing Caldari ships and as an added bonus you are killing a specific Caldari corporation standing?
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Elrianmk2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.24 18:30:00 -
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Quick reply to the comment regarding why it appears every second comment is from a Gallente char being a little annoyed with this:
It wouldn't affect any other racial groups so why would they complain?
Why shouldnÆt the Gallente PvE players be annoyed about this, especially those who are using none combat based agents?
I'm intrigued by this as i occasionally wanted to run some FW, however letÆs face it, anyone not in a FW corp in low sec will be ganked by either side, if i am running a storyline mission for the Gallente and am in a system that is being retaken by the Gallente FW groups i am as likely to be taken out by my own side as much as the Caldari. They wonÆt know im running a Gallente storyline mission and tbh are unliklely to care as they would treat me as a potential spy and therefore hostile.
Ok i understand making the missions more dynamic and am in favour of that, but how about limiting it to combat agents or the Empire NavyÆs?
If it wasnt for bad luck i would have no luck at all
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Barga Hi'che
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Posted - 2009.12.25 01:08:00 -
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Lvl 2, Hyasyoda Corporation, 25 jumps there at least 10 of those lowsec, petition sent, answer this mission is acting as intended.
I am old enough to go to lowsec and rn mission with a high probability of not loosing my ship but why the hell do i have to fly 25 jumps to do it? if memory serves a lvl 4 courier mission is only about 8 jumps if that!!!!
I need the faction standing, i can't accept this mission but what happens in another 16 normal mission's time when i might randomly get the same mission??
please sort this out ccp as i hink this is a pretty big mistake to make.
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mokmo3
Asteroid Miners Consortium
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2009.12.25 02:42:00 -
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Somehow i did enough missionning to get 2 offers for these on a single say, petitioned it the first time...
Still not a bug
Quote:
Hi, I'm afraid that this is in accordance with EVE Online's intended game design. If you feel or believe there is something that should be addressed or looked into regarding the game mechanics then we encourage you to bring up the subject on the Features and Ideas Discussion forum on the EVE Online message boards. We here at Customer Support do not deal directly with design issues, so voicing your concerns on the forums would be the best way of getting them heard as our trusty Dev team read them regularly for ideas and feedback. <br><br>Thank you for contacting Customer Support. <br><br>Best regards, <br>GM Yuggoth <br>The EVE Online Customer Support Team
Tonight might be Christmas eve, but this is not making me very cheerful, as i wanted to share these standings increases. Oh well, there goes another denied faction mission...
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