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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey How can CCP be so out of touch with what the players want?
They aren't they just listen to the majority.
A majority of pvp'ers want to fight against empire carebears rather than other low sec dwellers so rather than boosting low sec ccp make a mission like this. However a very large majority of players are caldari mission runners so they stick it with one of the minority mission runners. At least it was gallente rather than minmatar is all I can say, seeing as one of the best minmatar agents is in caldari space the travel time on this would be rediculous.
Seriously though I'd refuse this mission if I got it, and it's got nothing to do with being afraid of pvp.
First reason is implants meaning I need a jump clone, but I tend to use my jump clones. The best way to do these missions would be to have a ship set up with a base in low sec area in a quite system around where you get these missions. You could then avoid the border empire low sec systems by just jumping to this clone running the mission then jumping back, of course this means you can only do this mission that day unless you jump -> go to base -> mission -> return to base -> go to mission hub. It's just a massive pita, if I wanted something like this I'd go do FW (only thing stopping me from FW is fact I have to leave my corp). But I don't wanna waste a jump clone on a occasional storyline mission, I have much better uses for my jump clones... maybe someone who only did missions might have enough jump clones to do this but.
Second reason is balance of risk/reward: Getting my r&d standings I've done more hauling missions than I care to remember, due to the variance in travel time and the brokenness of the balancing formula these where all over the place. These missions are gonna be unpredictable, the implants may help this or may make this worse as you'll get a awesome implant one day a crap one the next. The balance formula is gonna make half of these not worth doing or just massively more trouble then their worth for half the people who could do them.
Third is faction standings and rival corp standings especially R&D corps.... however I run missions for minmatar I gave up on my amarr standings long ago ****ing off their corps doesn't bother me. Will probably try and make sure I can at least fly through their space for a while longer, but that will eventually go as well and should make things interesting. However I used to mission for caldari and still have and use my Lai Dai standings so won't be taking these gallente missions. ------------------------------ God is AFK, I am not |
Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2 I'm intrigued by this as i occasionally wanted to run some FW, however let’s face it, anyone not in a FW corp in low sec will be ganked by either side
Actually the militias do not care much about non-militia pilots as long as you stay out of the FW plexes. I am not sure if these new and cool and experimental missions produce a beacon like FW missions do, but normally you "only" have to worry about pirates. If these missions produce a beacon the militia pilots might confuse them with the opposing militia ("He's not in our militia so he must be hostile") but from my experience in the FDU mission runners have been mainly ignored since the missions do not influence FW at all.
Yet it is still low sec and anyone CAN gank you if he thinks it's worth his time, so proceed with caution.
But don't worry, you'll see less and less Gallente militia members - the simple fact that Gallente mission runners now have to do 10+ jumps to get faction standing will reduce the numbers appropriately.
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Botthkill
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.27 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Botthkill on 27/12/2009 00:05:44 Recently, I decided to run missions in order to raise my standings with Gallente for lower refining taxes.
The first L1 Storyline mission I get is "Troop Build up" by Sysbrenins Carecanne Agent.
Now:::::: The first L1 Storyline mission wants me to go to low sec (Uphallant 0.2) in Placid region !!!!!!
And for what?? For an implant that I can buy from the market with 25,000 ISK. And if I do the mission in 5 hours I get 92,000 ISK !!!!! And all this is > 10 jumps.
The info also warns me about the great resistance I'm gonna face and about bringing reinforcements with me!
This is outrageous!!! Even if this lousy mission will give me +10 standings, I won't do it!! It's not worth it CCP!!!
I assumed CCP being smarter than this
If this is lev1 SL mission, can I have some level 0 SL missions please??? Just for starters!!
Please CCP!! ----- BK |
Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.12.28 03:36:00 -
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In case this hasen't been posted yet.
From this blog:
"Another feature in Dominion is our new batch of Gallente Storyline missions. There are two main mission types, "Mining Base Camp" and "Troop Buildup," each with variants based on difficulty and particular target. Each mission stems from the past year's Faction Warfare resultsHeth's resultant sale of key Gallente systems to the Caldari megacorps, and the Federation's reaction.
We're excited about these missions. We coordinated closely with CCP TonyG, CCP Ginger, and the rest of the EVE Storyline Board for specific PvE content. Also, these missions send players to specific solar systems rather than simply sending them some random number of jumps from the agent's location. This allows us to draw out themes for specific locales in the EVE universe. There are also obvious potential impacts on player traffic that we are eager to watch.
Why only Gallente? This feature wasn't planned in the beginning. The Fates were kind enough to open a window for us. But we only had enough time for one faction, not all. Between some or none, we opted for none. If you guys respond well to these missions, we'll definitely produce more. So why Gallente? We were keen to play with the storyhooks in-game that have been dangling around the ingame news for months now. Expect more integrations of news and fiction with in-game content in the future."
TL/DR Working as intended
Mr Epeen
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2009.12.28 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 28/12/2009 15:36:57 I ran the Kaalakiota mining base one. Forget the system it sent me to but it was 18 jumps from my base. Luckily it was much closer to my secondary hub so I had some other ships availible.
Lowsec so I wasn't worried about my implants so I decided to give it a try. I popped in in my SB first to scout the route and to see what was there. Target system was 6 deep into lowsec so I wanted to see what traffic was like.
At the target I found two orcas and their escorts, some cruisers and a Scorp, clustered around some fuel silos. So I decided to see if it was set up as a trick and made a torp run at a silo with an orca sitting next to it. Silo blew but did nothing. Ok, have to fight.
Made a quick run back to highsec and grabbed a harbi just because I wanted to see what it could do. Killed the first wave of escorts and most of the second before deciding to concentrate on the orcas. Third escort wave and another orca spawned while I was still working on first Orca. Decided I needed to get serious and went back to grab a Myrm.
While my drones went to work I kept my eye on local and scanned for probes if someone showed up. A couple spikes but no real threats. (Met the world's laziest pirate though. Didn't bother to probe me down he just asked me to fleet him. No thanks buddy, if you are going to kill me you are going to have to do at least a little work.)
Anyway, after the popping the third Orca I got the mission complete message and spent a little time gathering tags and salvaging. Orcas give crap salvage by the way. Ran like a rabbit with his tail on fire and got back to highsec with no problem and turned in the mission.
Took to long to get the bonus but the reward was a 5% shield implant (sorry, can't remember the name). I'm an armor guy so I began checking the market. Got 100mil for it and could have gotten more if I had put it on a buy order but I don't really like playing the market.
It ended up being worth it, although I think I got lucky because traffice in the area was kind of low. All in all though, if this one popped up again I would probably run it. I am definitely going to check the rewards closer than I normally do. I usually don't care about that though and actually ran the mission to be part of the story so.
Obviously not everyone will like these new missions but oh well, I did.
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Kievan Ariskana
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Posted - 2009.12.29 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Jasonitas This mission is a part of a new batch of missions that we're testing out. Essentially, this is content that is directly related to the ongoing storyline of EVE, namely, the capture of Gallente systems by the Caldari FW militia and the ensuing blind auction to Caldari megacorps. Thus, this is content that was created as a response to how you, the players, influenced the story in-game and in-setting.
Thus, it is as designed. We have a dev blog coming out that explains a bit more about it, so stay tuned for it. These missions are only for Gallente and are highly experimental in nature. We're keeping an eye on it to see how well it is received by you guys.
Highlighted the important parts. Last time I checked SISI was for testing, not Tranquility. Its not received well. plz remove it.
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.01.01 23:33:00 -
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The best part is how these always appear in the same systems. That just goes to show you that this wasn't thought out at all.
No one is going to do these missions knowing that the systems will become camped out, and you only punish the newer players who will accept these missions without knowing. Most will end up throwing the missions in and then ruining their standings. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Cynth Greythorne
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Posted - 2010.01.02 02:59:00 -
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I received one of these dreadful, ill-conceived, and hastily-created missions. I sent in a petition, and a new mission was given to me.
Does anyone really believe the story that these "experimental" missions are being inflicted upon Gallente mission runners as an "exciting" part of the background story? We received it because if Gallente mission runners complain, who cares? (Think about the paucity of Gallente COSMOS missions for example.) If they tried doing this to Caldari mission runners, the uproar would be over-whelming, and these missions would be quickly withdrawn. And the real reason that we must all go to the same few systems is not only because these idiotic missions were hastily conceived, but because the developers were lazy.
Such missions as these should be strictly voluntary with an acceptable alternative choice, or given to the militia. Every time I now receive one of these missions--and whoever conceived of these detestable things should be reassigned to the mop and bucket brigade--I will petition for something else.
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Cynth Greythorne
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Posted - 2010.01.02 03:04:00 -
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"Obviously not everyone will like these new missions but oh well, I did."
Will that still be true as every pirate in the region sets up a gate camp at the few systems where these missions must take place?
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Gzalzi Tralan
Gallente Tralan Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.02 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: eBrainiac Same here: Mining Base Camp - Hyasyoda Corporation Objectives The following objectives must be completed to finish the mission:
Objective Take Out the Caldari Hulks
Location 0.2 Vey (Low Sec Warning!)
The Rewards: 231,000 isk implant: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZGA100 (right now in the market details show only: 680k isk TOP!)
So what is this? some kind of scam?????? CCP should check better this... Had to decline... I don¦t even have the interceptor, or battleship skills does this ring a bell to you+? that i¦m a rookie
I got this exact mission and I was actually excited...
Am I the only one who likes these new missions?
Thank you for your time,
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Cynth Greythorne
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Posted - 2010.01.02 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gzalzi Tralan
I got this exact mission and I was actually excited...
Am I the only one who likes these new missions?
We can only hope so.
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Trystrin
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Posted - 2010.01.03 02:35:00 -
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If you want feed back this is my 2cents worth on it. Trying to get back to righteous with the Gallente. Dropped the first of these when it was a L2, wasn't worth the risk or the reward. Luckily it was only an L2 mission. This time around I have:
*********************************************************** Mining Base Camp - Kaalakiota Corporation
I would highly recommend that you bring friends along for this mission. Not only will you be flying to lowsec, but the odds of your being overwhelmed are high.
Location 0.2 Odamia (Low Sec Warning!)
(The route generated by current autopilot settings contains low security systems!)
Rewards The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission:
one unit of Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KYA1000
Bonus Rewards The following rewards will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 3 hours and 46 minutes.
550000 credits ***********************************************************
So this is 14 jumps 5 into low sec. This means several low sec jumps and then having to sit like a good patsy while carrying out a combat mission. I'll be dropping this one however of taking the time to run 16 L4 missions so I can have a crap shoot on not getting one of these is a bit ridiculous. If you want to have these missions in game why not have low sec agents generate these types of missions. If I wanted to play in low sec I would log on my pvp char. These missions are inconvenient at best and a pain in the neck for very little gain.
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Cynth Greythorne
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Posted - 2010.01.04 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trystrin If you want feed back this is my 2cents worth on it. Trying to get back to righteous with the Gallente. Dropped the first of these when it was a L2, wasn't worth the risk or the reward. Luckily it was only an L2 mission. This time around I have:
*********************************************************** Mining Base Camp - Kaalakiota Corporation
I would highly recommend that you bring friends along for this mission. Not only will you be flying to lowsec, but the odds of your being overwhelmed are high.
Location 0.2 Odamia (Low Sec Warning!)
(The route generated by current autopilot settings contains low security systems!)
Rewards The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission:
one unit of Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KYA1000
Bonus Rewards The following rewards will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 3 hours and 46 minutes.
550000 credits ***********************************************************
So this is 14 jumps 5 into low sec. This means several low sec jumps and then having to sit like a good patsy while carrying out a combat mission. I'll be dropping this one however of taking the time to run 16 L4 missions so I can have a crap shoot on not getting one of these is a bit ridiculous. If you want to have these missions in game why not have low sec agents generate these types of missions. If I wanted to play in low sec I would log on my pvp char. These missions are inconvenient at best and a pain in the neck for very little gain.
If you get one of these "experimental" missions, complain about it to the powers that be. We should not have to be the involuntary subjects of their "exciting" "experiment".
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Kochiriwa
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.04 04:15:00 -
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I've done two of these missions so far, never had any trouble in either of them. Implants from the rewards were a bit odd for a low-skill Gallente (something to do with shield-tanking and medium energy turrets, if I recall correctly) but I enjoyed the change in direction from the usual mission grind.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.04 11:29:00 -
[75]
I think some peeps are a bit too anal about losing ships
If you don't want to go to low sec, fine. Don't do the Storyline and wait for the next one. There's no need to ***** about isk/hour... it's something different. Try it, have some fun?
*shrug* Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.01.04 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cynth Greythorne "Obviously not everyone will like these new missions but oh well, I did."
Will that still be true as every pirate in the region sets up a gate camp at the few systems where these missions must take place?
So it will give me a chance for a little pew-pew. I fly an insured Domi and can do so with a largely PvP fit so I'm not total gank bait. If I lose a ship, oh well. No bubbles so my there is little risk to my pod.
To each his own.
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Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
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Posted - 2010.01.04 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Shodan on 04/01/2010 14:47:32 Got the "'Mining Camp'- Make 20+ jumps having a ball for less then nuts and being popped"-mission with my 14 days- alt 2 times already. What a crap!
If I was a new player, I would loose my hard earned cruiser to some low sec "arrr"-sayers and their parrots and propabily be repulsed to play EVE any further.
Being not a new player, I simply turn the misson down, especialy with that kind of dumb reward and minimal standing gain. If I wanted PVP, I would join the militias and go voluntary to low sec. (Been there, done that.)
It is already nearly impossible to run missions in low sec without getting scaned down and driven of one way or the other by any half decent pirate gang with a 1-week, dedicated scanning alt.
Why molest newbies with that kind of mission? Many of them do not even understand that using a hull-repairer is no viable option for tanking in missions? (I see that everyday in the corp my alt is in ...)
While I admit, CCP did an awesome job on the tutorial missions for new players, this "you-have-to-die-in-the gallente-war-wether-you-are-in-the-milita-or-not" thing sux big time.
Move these missions to the Militas! NOW! --
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Cynth Greythorne
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Posted - 2010.01.04 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Shodan Edited by: Ki Shodan on 04/01/2010 14:47:32
While I admit, CCP did an awesome job on the tutorial missions for new players, this "you-have-to-die-in-the gallente-war-wether-you-are-in-the-milita-or-not" thing sux big time.
Move these missions to the Militas! NOW!
I entirely agree. If some thought had actually been put into these missions, I would be somewhat less vexed about this. But since these missions were hastily crafted and tacked on at the last moment, and are totally out of character with the rest of the mission block, I do object to being presented with them.
I accompanied a friend on one of these missions. He had made the error of accepting the mission, not realizing what it was, and his appeals were turned down: "You accepted it, do it!". Was it fun? No. We avoided the gate camps, this time, so that was good.
"Try it, have some fun?" Been there, had no fun.
Again, I advise that if you receive one of these appalling bad, ill-conceived missions, refuse it and make your concerns heard. Let them find someone else to conduct their "experiments" on.
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Trystrin
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Posted - 2010.01.04 23:54:00 -
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Here was the official refusal to exchange the mission with something that was of the standard fare (well standard for Caldari, Amarr, Minmatar...oh wait Gallente are the only ones who get this I almsot forgot)
*********************************************************** Hi,
I'm afraid that is not something we can do, as this falls within normal game play.
The mission is working as intended.
Best regards, GM Zhainius EVE Online Customer Support ***********************************************************
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I would recommend either spreading these missions universally across all factions instead of targeting a single faction. If your intent is to try and sneak in a live test why not make this an official release and function. As such let the entire Eve universe experience this so you can gather your feedback in a much faster more universal way. Otherwise please keep experiments in the test center where the belong.
True testament to Eve customer service :)
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Trystrin
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Posted - 2010.01.05 00:15:00 -
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This was the final request to the petition. The moderator may want to take note and move this thread:
*********************************************************** I would recommend posting your thoughts in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum on the main website.
I'm afraid there is very little the customer support department can do about gamedesign.
Best regards, GM Zhainius EVE Online Customer Support ***********************************************************
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Malcom Hash
Caldari Les chevaliers d'acier Omega arma
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Posted - 2010.01.05 00:24:00 -
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I never post on forum but i had to do something for this particular case. As I just declined the L4 storyline "Mining base camp" in losec 0.2 Odamia. 14 jumps to do back & forth plus the time for the objective in 4 hours !! Objective asking to fight Caldari forces, then cripping my Caldari standing. For 1 implant L4 and an unknown gallente faction standing increase.
I'm very sad. I may have done it if was NPC faction ships to fight, but Caldari... With no rewards and a huge cripple on its standing... No thanks. If you (CCP) want to train us for some pvp, just allow FW missions to non FW pilots.
------------------------------------- God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. |
Malcom Hash
Caldari Les chevaliers d'acier Omega arma
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Posted - 2010.01.05 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Guillieme Lohran Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 31/12/2009 13:48:20 Took too long to get the bonus but the reward was a 5% shield implant (sorry, can't remember the name). I'm an armor guy so I began checking the market. Got 100mil for it and could have gotten more if I had put it on a buy order but I don't really like playing the market.
Hummm. I did not take time to see which value was the implant...
------------------------------------- God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. |
Wasteland Baroness
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Posted - 2010.01.05 01:11:00 -
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I just declined this mission. I agree the risk v reward is not worth it.
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Freelancer117
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Posted - 2010.01.05 22:56:00 -
[84]
I totally agree with you Eagle Tibbets This mission is way out of any proposion regarding isk vs reward. It tells me too jump into low sec for 10 systems total with 1m isk in value as an reward
After petitioning it, the GM says its part of this game, so i guess we are heading into more faction war and everybody will be hurt by it then ??
If I want factional war I'll join the militia and not be forced into service plz, Capsuleers are not I repeat not cannon fodder to be wasted at the frontlines.
If it was a normal mission I wouldnt complain and just decline, but now I have too do 16 of those again after declining this stroryline one, ARG.
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andeira
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Posted - 2010.01.05 23:14:00 -
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I had a storyline mission like this a year ago when I still was running missions just did it and turned out fine (ok got popped at a gate cause of lag but was reimbursed for that) low sec isn't dangerous just go in a fast ship (no not a shuttle) I'd say an interceptor/cov-ops or a nano/inertia fitted frig.
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Nysse Alpha
Gallente Forward Thinking Industries Ethereal Advancement Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.05 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Eagle Tibbets Edited by: Eagle Tibbets on 07/12/2009 18:32:23 Agent Name : Brarel Orollede Brarel Orollede Personnel Division 0.7 Halle VII - Moon 6 - Federal Intelligence Office Assembly Plant
Mining Base Camp - Lai Dai Corporation
Mission briefing Lai Dai Corporation is attempting to form a foothold in Esesier. TheyÆve got the early stages of a mining base established and plan to begin production very soon. From the looks of it, Lai Dai Corporation plans to be there for a long time. We need you to spoil their plans. Take out all the industrial vessels you can find at this base. Be wary of any escorts, though: They do not look willing to leave.
Be careful: This mission will take you into lowsec. I would recommend switching to a ship designed for inter-capsuleer conflicts, just in case your piratical brethren want a piece of you en route. Once you get to the site itself, though, you shouldnÆt receive very much resistance. The megacorporations arenÆt exactly known for the might of their security forces.
This mission expires in 7 days.
This is an important mission, which will have significant impact on your faction standings. Mining Base Camp - Lai Dai Corporation Objectives The following objectives must be completed to finish the mission:
Objective Destroy all Lai Dai Corporation Industrial ships.
Location 0.3 Esesier (Low Sec Warning!)
(The route generated by current autopilot settings contains low security systems!)
Rewards The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission:
1 Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Lancer' G1-Beta
Bonus Rewards The following rewards will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 40 minutes.
80000 Credits
Wow, ok, it wasn't just me then.
When Dominion released, I decided now was the time to join a player corp. Found one I liked, and joined. It's a Gallente corp, and I had been doing Amarr missions so I had to start by digging my Gallente faction out of the proverbial crapper. Received this Storyline mission after doing a bunch of L2s. Odd I thought, but it was really late at night on a weeknight, so I figured what the hell, i'll give it a try. Fit out a fairly cheap Omen (but still good defense and offense) and went to the mission site.
Forget it. A crapload of ships which aggro'd on warp-in. Cut through my shields almost instantly, and started eating my armor for breakfast, meanwhile I was doing almost NO damage to them. Warped out and had to abandon the mission :(
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Cynth Greythorne
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Posted - 2010.01.06 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Trystrin Here was the official refusal to exchange the mission with something that was of the standard fare (well standard for Caldari, Amarr, Minmatar...oh wait Gallente are the only ones who get this I almsot forgot)
*********************************************************** Hi,
I'm afraid that is not something we can do, as this falls within normal game play.
The mission is working as intended.
Best regards, GM Zhainius EVE Online Customer Support ***********************************************************
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I would recommend either spreading these missions universally across all factions instead of targeting a single faction. If your intent is to try and sneak in a live test why not make this an official release and function. As such let the entire Eve universe experience this so you can gather your feedback in a much faster more universal way. Otherwise please keep experiments in the test center where the belong.
True testament to Eve customer service :)
It is unfortunate that you were not helped. Either someone in CS thinks that I'm hot, or I somehow otherwise elicited their sympathy thereby gaining an alternative mission.
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Psy Smythe
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.06 02:47:00 -
[88]
Well I just turned one of these new storyline missions down tonight and speaking with some of my corpmates; it sounds like they also have been turning these new storyline missions down.
Psy
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Cynth Greythorne
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Posted - 2010.01.06 12:02:00 -
[89]
I wonder what the frequency of these missions is? Are they coming up as a storyline more often than a non-experimental mission would?
Some might also wonder why these missions are all being directed to just a few systems? Is it because of the haste with which the missions were crafted and added to the last update? If I was a pirate, I would hang around some of these systems waiting to chew up the PvE pilots who arrive to engage the mission.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.06 16:05:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Cynth Greythorne Some might also wonder why these missions are all being directed to just a few systems?
Check devblog. They said something silly like creating in-game stuff around specific systems to expand the story behind Eve.
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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