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Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 10:56:00 - [1] http://www.synonym.com/antonym/sink/ Thank you, that is all.
TigerXtrm The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:07:00 - [2] How can something that stuff disappears into, be a source?
Steve Celeste Caldari Overdogs	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:19:00 - [3] FAUCET
Dasola Minmatar Equitatus Of Apocalypse Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:28:00 - [4] Might be engineering side where those comes. Electronics side: Current Source, Current Source --- We mine, we grind, we build, we destroy Always recruiting new industrial minded players, ingame contact: Dasola
Mulligan Basti	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:29:00 - [5] I think the word 'faucet' and the kitchen anomaly is funnier than the boring word 'source'. Thumbs up for FAUCET And for Tiger http://m-w.com/dictionary/antonym
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:34:00 - [6] You might want to use something more extensive... http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/sink (Linkage) Originally by: TigerXtrm How can something that stuff disappears into, be a source? You are perhaps aware of what the word "antonym" means, yes ? No ? Hint : "the opposite/reverse/negative of". As to the OP, yes, if you want to take it literally, then you could use "ISK source vs ISK sink". But then again a faucet _IS_ a particular type of source... so... yeah... _ We are recruiting \| Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:50:00 - [7] Edited by: Tiberizzle on 13/12/2009 11:53:30 Originally by: Dasola Might be engineering side where those comes. Electronics side: Current Source, Current Source This. The only discipline where a "faucet" is the source being sinked is plumbing. It's not just electrical terminology, though. The dichotomy occurs throughout physical discourse ("heat source"/"heat sink", "energy source" / "energy sink", etc.) and there can be no mistaking the appropriate usage. Originally by: Akita T As to the OP, yes, if you want to take it literally, then you could use "ISK source vs ISK sink". But then again a faucet _IS_ a particular type of source... so... yeah... My bum is also a particular kind of source. Coincidentally enough, another source usually only a plumber has to worry about
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:55:00 - [8] If you want to get really technical, you could insist on "ISK generators" and "ISK annihilators" instead It has the advantages of being both more accurate and cooler-sounding too _ We are recruiting \| Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 12:01:00 - [9] I'd go for that. I just hate "faucet." Every time I read it in what's attempting otherwise to be a serious discussion I cringe. The context of usage tends to imply the poster actually believes it's the correct terminology, and that makes part of me die inside.
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2009.12.13 12:05:00 - [10] Ratting and missions make up the majority of ISK rainbows in EVE.

Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2009.12.13 12:32:00 - [11] Edited by: Lui Kai on 13/12/2009 12:32:06 Originally by: Tiberizzle My bum is also a particular kind of source. Welp, you make a compelling argument. You've got my vote for calling isk sources "isk assholes" ----------------
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.12.13 12:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Lui Kai Edited by: Lui Kai on 13/12/2009 12:32:06 Originally by: Tiberizzle My bum is also a particular kind of source. Welp, you make a compelling argument. You've got my vote for calling isk sources "isk assholes" Oi oi! Don't you use the source of haikus to describe ISK faucets.
RAW23	Posted - 2009.12.13 12:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Tiberizzle I just hate "faucet." Me too. Those of us who speak the Queen's English tend not to be able to abide that ghastly americanism "faucet". The correct word is, of course, "tap".
Hoodat Bee	Posted - 2009.12.13 14:07:00 - [14] isk lols into isk fails.
Saint Germain The Orthography Commandos	Posted - 2009.12.13 14:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Tiberizzle http://www.synonym.com/antonym/sink/ Thank you, that is all. I think there can be more than one antonym. Text Editing Service
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.13 14:36:00 - [16] We're not looking for antonyms of sink. Water pours out of a faucet and pours (and disappears into) a sink. In fact, since it is much like a stream of ISK, faucet would be appropriate. It just so happens to be a tap that the players can open and close themselves, in varying degrees. http://www.mud.co.uk/dvw/themodeleconomy.html http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Economic_system http://mmorpgdesigntalk.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/07/agc-mmo-economies/ Something tells me you're not going to get rid of the terminology any time soon. Even found a power point from an experienced game designer in that search.
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 20:38:00 - [17] This usage is kind of like referring to all cars as "Volkswagen Beetles" because you don't think the word car is cute enough. Sure, maybe there's enough ignorance on the Internet to perpetuate it, but I wouldn't hold up an experienced game designer as a credible source. We're talking about the same people that can't handle basic physical concepts such as force, acceleration, and transfer of momentum after all.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:20:00 - [18] Troll-o-meter: 4/10. Would read replies again. Killmail Sales Battleship Buying
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:16:00 - [19] My head spins
Exordium8 Minmatar Unknown-Entity	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Julius Rigel Ratting and missions make up the majority of ISK rainbows in EVE. The problem with 0.0 moons is they are passive isk rainbows that allow large alliances to make far too much money. --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload. When the going gets tou

Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Exordium8 Originally by: Julius Rigel Ratting and missions make up the majority of ISK rainbows in EVE. The problem with 0.0 moons is they are passive isk rainbows that allow large alliances to make far too much money. But they don't generate ISK. Missions and ratting do.
Utemetsu Caldari Humans from Earth	Posted - 2009.12.13 23:29:00 - [22] I thought Isk was spent on waffles and was generated on irons. Could be wrong though.
Chiralos Epitoth Guard	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:14:00 - [23] Agree but I don't see any way to force it. Amarr Victor.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Tiberizzle The antonym of 'sink' is 'source'. We're not in your [...] kitchen. http://www.synonym.com/antonym/sink/ English is not a prescriptive language. 'Source' might be used more commonly and might perhaps even be slightly more precise or slightly more accurate, but that doesn't render 'tap' or 'faucet' wholly incorrect. If you were illustrating the 'bathtub model' view of the New Eden economy, wouldn't even be tempted to a tap/faucet to depict a 'source'? I.e., rather than trying to draw an accurate and precise depiction of an 'ISK Source', whatever that might look like. á á
Joel McBeth Caldari Tactical Trading Partnership	Posted - 2009.12.14 20:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Tiberizzle The antonym of 'sink' is 'source'. We're not in your [...] kitchen. http://www.synonym.com/antonym/sink/ English is not a prescriptive language. 'Source' might be used more commonly and might perhaps even be slightly more precise or slightly more accurate, but that doesn't render 'tap' or 'faucet' wholly incorrect. If you were illustrating the 'bathtub model' view of the New Eden economy, wouldn't even be tempted to a tap/faucet to depict a 'source'? I.e., rather than trying to draw an accurate and precise depiction of an 'ISK Source', whatever that might look like. You could use the 'bathtub model,' Lui Kai can use the '****ting in the sink model.' Then everyone else can use source and sink if they understand using consistent, widely accepted, nonarbitrary terminology adds to credibility and ease of understanding.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.14 21:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Joel McBeth You could use the 'bathtub model,' Lui Kai can use the '****ting in the sink model.' Then everyone else can use source and sink if they understand using consistent, widely accepted, nonarbitrary terminology adds to credibility and ease of understanding. By my examples above, faucet is widely accepted terminology, at the very least when discussing MMO economic systems, and the terminology is not inconsistant.
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2009.12.14 21:41:00 - [27] How dare you even attempt to edumacate these har forums.
Empire Dweller Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.12.14 22:48:00 - [28] How butthurt do you have to be before making a post about someones terminology seems like a good idea?
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2009.12.14 23:32:00 - [29] I vote for isk spigot. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Drab Cane Carbenadium Industries	Posted - 2009.12.15 00:29:00 - [30] Personal opinion, faucet was not picked as the antonym of sink - sink was picked as a counterpart for faucet. 'Source', even from its strict definition, implies an uncontrolled generation. Whereas 'faucet' implies a source that can be turned off, turned on, and adjusted. Controlled. Water is used as an analogy for money and capital much more often than radiated heat. 'Isk faucet' (or tap, or valve) is intuitively more consistent with the connotative meaning used here. What really chaffs my hide is the phrase "Cut bait" when used to mean 'leave a situation quickly'. Come on! The proper phrase is 'Cut and run', derived from when a ship had to leave it's anchorage point so quickly that it was better to cut the anchor line than to wait for the anchor to be hoisted. Some fools got the phrase 'Either fish or cut bait' (meaning 'make up your mind and decide what you're going to do') with the 'cut and run' phrase, and it sends shivers down my spine every time I hear someone misuse it. Anyhoo, I like "Isk rainbows". ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins

Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2009.12.15 01:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Drab Cane I have never heard or seen anyone use "Cut and bait" or "cut bait" in place of cut and run. I hope this remains the case in the future, because it would invariably cause me to suffer, one way or the other. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.15 02:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Empire Dweller How butthurt do you have to be before making a post about someones terminology seems like a good idea? [imaeg]www.goatse.cx/hello.jpg[/iamge]
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.12.15 02:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Tiberizzle It's ~~interesting~~ entirely expected that even including usage in plumbing, there are more matches for "source and sink" on Google than "faucet and sink": Quote: Results 1 - 10 of about 21,000,000 for source and sink. (0.15 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 5,060,000 for faucet and sink. (0.31 seconds) I don't mean to suggest that Google search result counts carry any weight in answering a question of English usage, but assuming for a second that they did, how would you explain the following 'results' that appear to contradict your above 'results'? Quote: Results 1 - 10 of about 214,000 for "source and sink". (0.43 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 259,000 for "faucet and sink" (0.35 seconds) á á
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.15 02:51:00 - [34] Edited by: Tiberizzle on 15/12/2009 02:53:56 Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Tiberizzle It's ~~interesting~~ entirely expected that even including usage in plumbing, there are more matches for "source and sink" on Google than "faucet and sink": Quote: Results 1 - 10 of about 21,000,000 for source and sink. (0.15 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 5,060,000 for faucet and sink. (0.31 seconds) I don't mean to suggest that Google search result counts carry any weight in answering a question of English usage, but assuming for a second that they did, how would you explain the following 'results' that appear to contradict your above 'results'? Quote: Results 1 - 10 of about 214,000 for "source and sink". (0.43 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 259,000 for "faucet and sink" (0.35 seconds) I'm pretty sure that determining an approximate frequency of usage in web-spiderable English literature qualifies as a valid exploration of... well, the frequency of usage of a word in English literature. Unfortunately, either by design or ignorance you seem to be searching for the exact phrases "source and sink", "faucet and sink" rather than pages that feature occurances of "sink" with "source" or "faucet". I hope I don't have to explain why you are encountering this behavior, or how it invalidates your results, but if you'd like you can sum them with the above results anyway. It changes the ratio by around 1%.
Joel McBeth Caldari Tactical Trading Partnership	Posted - 2009.12.15 02:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Tiberizzle It's ~~interesting~~ entirely expected that even including usage in plumbing, there are more matches for "source and sink" on Google than "faucet and sink": Quote: Results 1 - 10 of about 21,000,000 for source and sink. (0.15 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 5,060,000 for faucet and sink. (0.31 seconds) I don't mean to suggest that Google search result counts carry any weight in answering a question of English usage, but assuming for a second that they did, how would you explain the following 'results' that appear to contradict your above 'results'? Quote: Results 1 - 10 of about 214,000 for "source and sink". (0.43 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 259,000 for "faucet and sink" (0.35 seconds) I guarantee you that "faucet and sink" will return mostly plumbing results and "source and sink" will be mostly in the context we are discussing. That most likely would be because people with the ability to use a computer don't use "faucet and sink" in any other context than plumbing. Also, I've never heard any one use faucet and sink in any non-plumbing context until I read this thread. Stating something it well accepted mainly on the Eve Forums is a good argument against using it considering its population consists mainly of trolls and idiots.
Remus Kurgan Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.15 04:09:00 - [36] Is this really a thread? Speaking of which, someone should check the definition of thread, I think we're using it wrong.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.12.15 04:17:00 - [37] Edited by: Thoraemond on 15/12/2009 04:18:15 Edit: Simple typo. Originally by: Remus Kurgan Is this really a thread? Speaking of which, someone should check the definition of thread, I think we're using it wrong. Zing! I hope the OP doesn't notice that! Originally by: Tiberizzle I'm pretty sure that determining an approximate frequency of usage in web-spiderable English literature qualifies as a valid exploration of... well, the frequency of usage of a word in English literature. To be charitable, let's assume that you're right about that... now recall that frequency and correctness are not the same thing. You were writing about correctness previously. Your 'results' do not support your claim. And of course there's at least one other obvious problem in your comparison of search result counts. The word 'source' is much, much more common than the word 'faucet'. E.g., in the Project Gutenberg corpus (which is not definitive, but may be illustrative), the word 'source' occurs more than 100 times more frequently than the word 'faucet' (38005 occurrences per billion words vs. 377 occurrences per billion words). In a collection of contemporary TV, film and other scripts, the word 'source' occurs roughly 20 times more than the word 'faucet'. Given that, is it not surprising that frequency of results for "source and sink" is only four times that for "faucet and sink"? Unless sink is actually more closely associated with faucet than source... á á
Clementina Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.15 04:19:00 - [38] I've always used "Isk Fountain" and "Isk Sink" When talking about isk entering and leaving Eve. Of course the few times I've had to think about heat engines I've used "Source of Hot" and "Source of Cold".
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2009.12.15 07:31:00 - [39] yo the OP is a faucet of inanity
Ansala Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.15 18:19:00 - [40] But, wait. Then, isn't "sink" inaccurate as well? At least when considering a "heat sink" since heat isn't really removed, just moved from one location to another, while isk "sink" total eliminates the isk.

Rhivre Caldari Built to Last	Posted - 2009.12.15 22:19:00 - [41] Wth is a faucet, and does anyone outside the US in the English speaking world use that word?
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.15 22:24:00 - [42] This thread needs to die.
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2009.12.15 22:42:00 - [43] Edited by: Pantload on 15/12/2009 22:43:20 Edited by: Pantload on 15/12/2009 22:42:21 "Arguing with people on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d." - Unknown Author Enjoy edit It censored r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d! HAHA TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy corporations here
Joel McBeth Caldari Tactical Trading Partnership	Posted - 2009.12.16 01:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Ansala But, wait. Then, isn't "sink" inaccurate as well? At least when considering a "heat sink" since heat isn't really removed, just moved from one location to another, while isk "sink" total eliminates the isk. source: beginning; the place where something begins, where it springs into being; sink: a process that acts to absorb or remove energy or a substance from a system;
Hippopotamus Rex	Posted - 2009.12.16 01:52:00 - [45] Not sure that MD - which bastardizes financial terms on a daily basis - is the place to complain about a colloquial term for "source".
Melanie Rose	Posted - 2009.12.16 02:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Clementina Source of Cold God help us all......
Sinker1345	Posted - 2009.12.16 18:07:00 - [47] I think all of you have waay to much free time to be debating this.
Cheesestick Charlie	Posted - 2009.12.17 00:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex Not sure that MD - which bastardizes financial terms on a daily basis - is the place to complain about a colloquial term for "source". I ARE INTERNET SPACESHIP BANKER!! Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki I vote for isk spigot. Seconded.


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