Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Hahaha what the christ?!

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Originally by: Natasha Bonnet

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BTW CCP, great trialer. I wish 0.0 pvp was actually like that.

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Originally by: Serotta Ortot

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Died without even getting grid loaded CCP, buy more hamsters!! I though Dominion would bring me 'Dragon Fleet' to 'burn them all!'... Brought me no grid and ship+clone loss so far...

23:25:19 Info Petition has been created successfully.

Let's see if their server cluster shows no logs (as usual)

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Originally by: Cleat

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fight screenshot


So Atlas Moved about 230 to Geminate where we RFed some Tech moons in hopes of getting a fight.

We then anchored some SBUs in a station system in the hope of getting a fight.

3 hours later finally the NC turned up. Atlas and friends had 300, NC and friends had 500. 200 WI, 100+ majesta, Rzr, MM + others.

They jump 500 into 300... through 1 small gate.

They all die.

Atlas cheered and now is really hungry after waiting 3 hours for the NC to form up and then 2 hours of combat involved with horrible lag.

Renters in the Geminate Area have contacted Atlas today about assisting and paying thier rent fees to atlas.

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Originally by: Terror Rising

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On a side note .. Did you see that new trailer for the planet graphics .. wow! Now we have something to look at as your fleet dies around you with no way of shooting .. Priorities CCP, Priorities.

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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Yo MM/RZR/WI/ME.

You have already used the lag excuse once. And the last 2 times, we actually jumped into you. Perhaps you should train your lag management a bit better and not have FC's that panic when targets can't be locked straight away/guns not always firing. Just a friendly FYI.

Dah'

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Originally by: Varrakk

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Clear not enough, bring 200 more next time.

But I had hardly any lag. Locked ships in quick order and guns was very responsive.

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Originally by: Joao Duarte

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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Yo MM/RZR/WI/ME.

You have already used the lag excuse once. And the last 2 times, we actually jumped into you. Perhaps you should train your lag management a bit better and not have FC's that panic when targets can't be locked straight away/guns not always firing. Just a friendly FYI.

Dah'

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That's a very smart post. No, really, it shows a higher degree of intelligence and fairness.

Next time you spend 40 mins loading grid and then wake up in a pod I want to see you all happy again.

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Originally by: Varrakk

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Clear not enough, bring 200 more next time.

But I had hardly any lag. Locked ships in quick order and guns was very responsive.

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Originally by: Joao Duarte

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That's a very smart post. No, really, it shows a higher degree of intelligence and fairness.

Next time you spend 40 mins loading grid and then wake up in a pod I want to see you all happy again.

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Originally by: Astal Atlar

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WI stop crying,you knwo we are there you got scouts,you may have jumped via titan or what ever,we waited 3 hours for you to come ...even as your jc- saving op was canceled.
We have lag too almost see my zealot exploding few times before i warp out,great job from our logistics though
we too got ghost targets lagged guns and none locable primaries,if you want to live in o.o get used to it.
yeah ccp fail lag was bad but **** off you want to be happy carebears go in empire. I hear lvl 4 is still profitable and you will be guarded by concord there.
Btw Phreeze we heard we will not make a step in geminate and fail. Is this type of failure that awaits us?
If so I can hope only for more.Btw you are king of ***gotry entering in cov ops,I expected better from so called pro fc of Razor or better say it Failzor?

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Originally by: Lord Drokoth

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That was indeed weak.. Was also killed never having seen a thing.. was looking to be a rather good fight.

And now with lag being atlas's main weapon.. the fight is totally one sided.

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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Yo MM/RZR/WI/ME.

You have already used the lag excuse once. And the last 2 times, we actually jumped into you. Perhaps you should train your lag management a bit better and not have FC's that panic when targets can't be locked straight away/guns not always firing. Just a friendly FYI.

Dah'

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Originally by: Vlajko san

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It's not lag.
Lag is something we are used to for years.
This is something completely different.
This just doesn't work, and that is that.
I've been (or tried to be) in at least 10 larger fleet engagements since the Dominion, and every single one of them ended in 1 of 3 ways:

1. We jump in and get afk-slaughtered not being able to load system at all.
2. Enemies jump in and we afk-slaughter them without them being able to do anything.
3. NOD crashes and both sides spend a couple of hours trying to get back in game.

This is getting really old, really fast, while CCP not only ignores the problem, but doesn't even want's to recognize it's existence. If nothing is done about this very soon, this could as well be the end of Eve as we know it.

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Originally by: Joao Duarte

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Originally by: Vlajko san

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It's not lag.
Lag is something we are used to for years.
This is something completely different.
This just doesn't work, and that is that.
I've been (or tried to be) in at least 10 larger fleet engagements since the Dominion, and every single one of them ended in 1 of 3 ways:

1. We jump in and get afk-slaughtered not being able to load system at all.
2. Enemies jump in and we afk-slaughter them without them being able to do anything.
3. NOD crashes and both sides spend a couple of hours trying to get back in game.

This is getting really old, really fast, while CCP not only ignores the problem, but doesn't even want's to recognize it's existence. If nothing is done about this very soon, this could as well be the end of Eve as we know it.

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This.

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Originally by: Sondrou Xi'Tral

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Here's an idea.... CCP should just reinforce all of Geminate for the next 2 months or however long Atlas is down here. That way, the next time we win something, there will be no doubt that it was due to skill and not due to game mechanics.

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Originally by: Mikal Drey

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hey hey

Gf's on both sides.

thanks to the NC and WI for also bringing it to us today as well as yesterday in ad-

thanks to CCP for removing the AoE DD as that would have been alot different than it was.

grid load sucked
turrets wouldnt reload
nothing was lockable
warp outs were painfull going in and out and still lagged to hell
overview ghosted
overview lagged so bad broadcasted would appear suddenly after targets were dead, or warped out or whatever
some of us died and still had ships in space, doing nothing, still moving, still dead

but Jita doesnt lag . .. . . awesome ! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! !

would have been a truly epic fight but as usual lag runined the whole evening

WI/NC/ME to you guys i simply say . . seya on the field, lets get it on !!

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Originally by: Natasha Bonnet

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Look at me wingeeeee.

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Originally by: Max Teranous

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The server is dodgy since Dominion - we all know this. It was your decision to jump every ship at the same time, on the same gate, into a waiting enemy, onto an unreinforced node. What did you expect to happen?!? This wasn't a failure of CCP, this was a failure of your FC's.

Max

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 15/12/2009 23:44:15

Karma is a *****, NC. You used the lag tactic so many times it's pathetic that you start whining about it when it happens to you.

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Originally by: Endeva

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all i see here is tears.DD hahahahha

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Originally by: Sondrou Xi'Tral

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Here's an idea.... CCP should just reinforce all of Geminate for the next 2 months or however long Atlas is down here. .

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Hahaha what the christ?!

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Originally by: Mia Archer

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 15/12/2009 23:44:15

Karma is a *****, NC. You used the lag tactic so many times it's pathetic that you start whining about it when it happens to you.

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***gots who camped gates with carriers because they new fighters caused massive jump lag for people jumping in have no room to talk about anything involving this matter tbh

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Then maybe you should not post on this matter then, little tool. Sounds like u mad. Cry some more.

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Originally by: Douglas Pearce

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Originally by: Endeva

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all i see here is tears.DD hahahahha

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so you enjoy paying for a game that is not working you say. You are dumber than i thought.

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Originally by: Mia Archer

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Endeva hasn't posted anything intellgent or worth actually reading in a year and a half

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Originally by: Endeva

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ofc i no.but thing is that it wont change anything what i learnd from previous ccp patches. u are all acting like ccp is not aware. what u need to understnd is when THEY realize where is he problem they will fix it and till then you can all continue to cry cos it wont change anything.

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Originally by: Endeva

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Originally by: Mia Archer

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Endeva hasn't posted anything intellgent or worth actually reading in a year and a half

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when i take your space il put u and rest of fail posters in NC in a my personal zoo. i allready showed nc u can do anything against trifriends anymore so i know that fact hurts u alot.

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Originally by: Endeva

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all i see here is tears.DD hahahahha

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Originally by: Endeva

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Originally by: Mia Archer

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Endeva hasn't posted anything intellgent or worth actually reading in a year and a half

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when i take your space il put u and rest of fail posters in NC in a my personal zoo. i allready showed nc u can do anything against trifriends anymore so i know that fact hurts u alot.

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Originally by: Max Teranous

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The server is dodgy since Dominion - we all know this. It was your decision to jump every ship at the same time, on the same gate, into a waiting enemy, onto an unreinforced node. What did you expect to happen?!? This wasn't a failure of CCP, this was a failure of your FC's.

Max

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Originally by: Endeva

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Originally by: Mia Archer

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Endeva hasn't posted anything intellgent or worth actually reading in a year and a half

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when i take your space il put u and rest of fail posters in NC in a my personal zoo. i allready showed nc u can do anything against trifriends anymore so i know that fact hurts u alot.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Hahaha what the christ?!

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Originally by: stu007

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Originally by: Max Teranous

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The server is dodgy since Dominion - we all know this. It was your decision to jump every ship at the same time, on the same gate, into a waiting enemy, onto an unreinforced node. What did you expect to happen?!? This wasn't a failure of CCP, this was a failure of your FC's.

Max

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Well, the question is then, why wasn't the node reinforced if this is the case? The CTA has been on the atlas forums for several days. Should be their duty to inform CCP of an upcoming fight as the agressors.

Anyway, gf Atlas. Shame we couldn't have a nice lag free fight, but **** happens. Looking forward to the next one

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Originally by: blazeyadeadhommie

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Just wanted to say GF. Thank you atlas for bring the fight to us. Also would like to give a BIG HAND to CCP for ****ing up again.I am never disapointed by you and would like to congratulate you on your newest failure that is dominion. You have really out done yourselves this time. That was the first time i have ever been pod'd with out ever leaving my ship. You guys are the BEST. (CLAPPING)I can't wait to see whats next.

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Originally by: Lilly Tigress

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Originally by: stu007

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Originally by: Max Teranous

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The server is dodgy since Dominion - we all know this. It was your decision to jump every ship at the same time, on the same gate, into a waiting enemy, onto an unreinforced node. What did you expect to happen?!? This wasn't a failure of CCP, this was a failure of your FC's.

Max

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Well, the question is then, why wasn't the node reinforced if this is the case? The CTA has been on the atlas forums for several days. Should be their duty to inform CCP of an upcoming fight as the agressors.

Anyway, gf Atlas. Shame we couldn't have a nice lag free fight, but **** happens. Looking forward to the next one

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wait, now you say the attackers should give you the chance to outblob em gazzilions :1 just to make you happy enjoy your turkey shoot? get a clue thats not hello kitty online your living in

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Originally by: Orree

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The more things change, the more they stay the same...lol.

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Originally by: Massive Dragon

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NOT A SINGLE INCH!

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Originally by: LifeLines

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why dont you all start frapsing the actual battles of EVE and uploading them on youtube to counter the propaganda CCP is feeding to new players?

butterfly effect video... wow its so beautiful and the game looks so similar to EVE but... it isn't.

I think CCP wont start doing enough about this problem till their effort on marketing gets really hurt by players frustrated with lag...

they spend like 6m euros on marketing(just look at those EVE ads all over the internet) alone, do you wonder what eve would be like if they spent it on hardware?

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Originally by: Joao Duarte

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Originally by: Vlajko san

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It's not lag.
Lag is something we are used to for years.
This is something completely different.
This just doesn't work, and that is that.
I've been (or tried to be) in at least 10 larger fleet engagements since the Dominion, and every single one of them ended in 1 of 3 ways:

1. We jump in and get afk-slaughtered not being able to load system at all.
2. Enemies jump in and we afk-slaughter them without them being able to do anything.
3. NOD crashes and both sides spend a couple of hours trying to get back in game.

This is getting really old, really fast, while CCP not only ignores the problem, but doesn't even want's to recognize it's existence. If nothing is done about this very soon, this could as well be the end of Eve as we know it.

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This.

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Originally by: Natasha Bonnet

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Edited by: Natasha Bonnet on 16/12/2009 00:19:58
700+ in local, even numbers. No one had outblobed the other. Looked like it was going to be a good fight. Altas and her allies had a WI(NC) system in current possession, and NC moved in to take it back (more for just haveing a fun and even fight).

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Originally by: Mia Archer

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who said i was mad? All i said is your a giant idiot for saying that we shouldn't complain because we used lag tactics when BOB spent half of max complaining about us using lag tactics after they used them in delve war I. So by that fact you would be just as pathetic and have no room to judge anyone now would you, and adding in the Karma statement just makes you look like even more of a massive idiot.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 15/12/2009 23:44:15

Karma is a *****, NC. You used the lag tactic so many times it's pathetic that you start whining about it when it happens to you.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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NC invented blobs camping gates with their drones out long before any Delve war. Is a matter a fact, you tools in NC wouldnÆt even engage unless you had 2 to 1 odds and expected people to jump in to you to have a turkey shoot while boasting about your victories on the forums. You going to complain about lag in Delve war when you NAPed 3 corners of EVE and brought them to Delve and think that you are going to blame the lag on BoB? You must be dumber then you sound, but please, tell us more. Your tears are delicious.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 15/12/2009 23:44:15

Karma is a *****, NC. You used the lag tactic so many times it's pathetic that you start whining about it when it happens to you.

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Originally by: Matata Hakuna

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NC invented lag tactics... I'm belly laughing now at this one.

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Originally by: LifeLines

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why dont you all start frapsing the actual battles of EVE and uploading them on youtube to counter the propaganda CCP is feeding to new players?

butterfly effect video... wow its so beautiful and the game looks so similar to EVE but... it isn't.

I think CCP wont start doing enough about this problem till their effort on marketing gets really hurt by players frustrated with lag...

they spend like 6m euros on marketing(just look at those EVE ads all over the internet) alone, do you wonder what eve would be like if they spent it on hardware?

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Originally by: Orideth

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Everyone always complains about CCP and server lag, but did you ever stop to think... maybe if we didn't NAP everyone forcing others to NAP others... maybe we wouldn't have 700 VS 700 battles and therefore lag... Oh wait NM this is EVE, my bad. When we lose it's someone else's fault.

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Originally by: Orideth

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Everyone always complains about CCP and server lag, but did you ever stop to think... maybe if we didn't NAP everyone forcing others to NAP others... maybe we wouldn't have 700 VS 700 battles and therefore lag... Oh wait NM this is EVE, my bad. When we lose it's someone else's fault.

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Originally by: airdefense

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You will not advance a single inch into Geminate.

Your failure will be public, and painful.

RZR and WI await your hilarious hordes of failure.

That is all.



ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Originally by: airdefense

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You will not advance a single inch into Geminate.

Your failure will be public, and painful.

RZR and WI await your hilarious hordes of failure.

That is all.



ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Originally by: Manfred Sideous

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Posting in the 10098943743840 BECAUSE OF CCP thread.


Clearly it was lag and not your terrible FC's


Sup Phreeze

AHHH PUSH IT PUSH IT REAL GOOD

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Originally by: Natasha Bonnet

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Edited by: Natasha Bonnet on 16/12/2009 00:19:58
700+ in local, even numbers. No one had outblobed the other. Looked like it was going to be a good fight. Altas and her allies had a WI system in current possession, and NC moved in to take it back (more for just haveing a fun and even fight).

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Originally by: Garulf Hirgon

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How to give a GM pause when contesting your ship loss to lag:

"I lost my ship to lag."

"Our logs show nothing wrong."

"orly? Where is my pod lossmail, considering I woke up in my deathclone?"

"..."

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Originally by: Gobbins

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Its good someone finally had the balls to stand up to CCP and complain about the lag.

Respect to the op.

- Gob

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/12/2009 03:45:24
Wow, look at Atlas chest beating over a turkey shoot

Congrats

In this 5 page thread I must have missed the 1 post from Atlas saying "yeah lag was bad, we didn't want it to go this way, would have been a great fight"

You are allowed to be gracious in victory.

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Quote:

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OMG the answer seems to be tell your fellow corp mates in the big alliances to sit around because eve can handle only so much.

Apparently you have never been in a 700 vs 700 its the ****zle and your fail if you think 5v5 is better and prob should stick to empire. BTW the eve trailer shows epic battles of huge fleets not an ibis vs. rifter battle yay

Atlas continue to bring it and we'll figure this out.

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maybe we wouldn't have 700 VS 700 battles and therefore lag

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Originally by: Piper Halliwell

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So what OP is saying is that if the tables were turned, him and his fleet would have just walked away and not killed ATLAS. QQ more, please!

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/12/2009 03:45:24
Wow, look at Atlas chest beating over a turkey shoot

Congrats

In this 5 page thread I must have missed the 1 post from Atlas saying "yeah lag was bad, we didn't want it to go this way, would have been a great fight"

You are allowed to be gracious in victory.

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Originally by: Miklas Laces

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After each new expansion the server goes back from acceptable to totally crap. Then CCP slowly fix it and eventually after few months the server is acceptable again and good fights can happen, until they screw it up with their next new expansion of course

Also the overview bug where your entire fleet shows neutral to everyone after you bridge into a system leads to interesting situations and epic "DONT SHOOT THE NEUTRALS" rage on Ventrilo.

Good times indeed

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/12/2009 03:45:24
Wow, look at Atlas chest beating over a turkey shoot

Congrats

In this 5 page thread I must have missed the 1 post from Atlas saying "yeah lag was bad, we didn't want it to go this way, would have been a great fight"

You are allowed to be gracious in victory.

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Originally by: Sith Bandon

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Originally by: Gobbins

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Its good someone finally had the balls to stand up to CCP and complain about the lag.

Respect to the op.

- Gob

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u kissin nc ass now gob ? so sad

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Originally by: Misanth

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Couple of years ago this stuck-on-loading was the norm, and eventually (in the worse cases), node-death. Havn't had much of that last 1-2 years, so clearly CCP did something right back then.

I'm curious what happened that reverted these changes. Clearly things are going back to what it used to be like 2006-2007.

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Originally by: DJ Obsidian

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Did anyone bother to tell ccp to reinforce all of geminate before hand?

BTW Jita is worse at any given time.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 15/12/2009 23:44:15

Karma is a *****, NC. You used the lag tactic so many times it's pathetic that you start whining about it when it happens to you.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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In this 5 page thread I must have missed the 1 post from Atlas saying "yeah lag was bad, we didn't want it to go this way, would have been a great fight"

You are allowed to be gracious in victory.

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Originally by: Natasha Bonnet

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Edited by: Natasha Bonnet on 16/12/2009 00:19:58
700+ in local, even numbers. No one had outblobed the other. Looked like it was going to be a good fight. Altas and her allies had a WI system in current possession, and NC moved in to take it back (more for just haveing a fun and even fight).

Atlas held the field and had all the gates were camped waiting for hostiles to jump in. And the hostilies did jump in. Altas hardly lost a soul and NC lost every fleet from each allaince that participated. HOORAY for altas, right? They had some brilliant FCing and made excellent calls to screw the NC fleet.... right?

Well, that is what ccp would like to hear... cause a 40 minute 'my grid didnt load' is something they would like to delete and pretend doesnt happen. Btw, that is EXACTLY what happend. CCP decides 'lets make big battles happen in 0.0 and keep it from being boring.' And they come with a brilliant game mechanic that does just that. But (and this isnt news to anyone) why did they decide to do this when the SERVER CANNOT SUSTAIN MORE THAN 400 ppl in local??

So what ends up happening is that billions of isk are lost due to a fleet WANTING TO ENGAGE a enemy fleet for sov (win for ccp, woot)- but then the fleet jumping in gets wiped out before their ship even loads.

Personnaly, i like to pay for this game and watch the backround of space for 40 MINUTES while i watch the shields go, armor, then structor go. Makes me want to pay for this game month in and out. [sarcastic]

So there you have it. Altas wins, thanks to ccp. You will see more and more battles being fought by SMALL roaming fleets and 2 LARGE fleets sitting on a gate waiting to see who is more brave to jump. Or while smack is being talked in local cause no one is stupid enough (hopefully not now anyways) to jump into a lagged up local. And for a expansion that focuses in 0.0- wasnt the #1 goal to have LARGE ROAMING fleets lay waste to empires??? So if a large fleet cannot engange a hostil large fleet, then this expansion is a failure and crap like this will continue to happen.

Congrats to Altas for being prepared (camping gates takes alot of strategy you know, ppl). And as for NC- koodos for having the balls to jumps in [im sure CCP is appethetic towards you and will not reinburse your ships cause they most likely dont care], and i hope your not stupid enough to do it again.

BTW CCP, great trialer. I wish 0.0 pvp was actually like that.

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Originally by: KFCboy

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*****ing about lag in eve since 2004

100 vs 100 and its laggy. ya either learn to work with it or you get on the forums and complain about it.

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Originally by: Ekantrike

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Edited by: Ekantrike on 16/12/2009 10:24:07
Edited by: Ekantrike on 16/12/2009 10:23:40
Edited by: Ekantrike on 16/12/2009 10:22:43
Dont ble total monkeys!

We all know that it lagged like ****, we even have ppls screenshot from not loading grid!


Screaming out VICTORY over something like this is totaly r etarded! Wake up Atlas r etards!

Why don't we replicate this s hit. We ALL go to Island on a "LAN PARTY" at CCP and do this **** on a local server with Eve running without lag at all.

If you win then. I have nothing against you posting "WE WIN" but on something like this. Come on wake up monkeys!

And if you look at the end result on KBs and so in it show you killing us all and we didnt kill ****. Now how real is that? And please keep your monkey reply to yourself.

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Originally by: Vlajko san

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It's not lag.
Lag is something we are used to for years.
This is something completely different.
This just doesn't work, and that is that.
I've been (or tried to be) in at least 10 larger fleet engagements since the Dominion, and every single one of them ended in 1 of 3 ways:

1. We jump in and get afk-slaughtered not being able to load system at all.
2. Enemies jump in and we afk-slaughter them without them being able to do anything.
3. NOD crashes and both sides spend a couple of hours trying to get back in game.

This is getting really old, really fast, while CCP not only ignores the problem, but doesn't even want's to recognize it's existence. If nothing is done about this very soon, this could as well be the end of Eve as we know it.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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You are allowed to be gracious in victory.

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Originally by: Farrelley

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It's not that 'different', same thing happened when the NC jumped 800 into our 300 in M-0 during Max. Same end result too, wiped out. Then they petitioned and got all their ships back.

http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=885925

I guess some ppl just don't learn...

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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You lost that fight when you chose the worst possible of 3 options. You could have lowered jammer, bridged in on manual cyno on POS to load system and grid. You could have used regular jumpbridge to enter system and load grid. But instead, your FC wanted you to go through a small gate with us set up at optimals on, a gate that was perfect to bomb you on also which netted us the 100~ or so first kills. Even if there had been 0 lag, the result would have been the same. WI fleet was actively making warpins, hostiles were definitely firing back. We'll see you out there again, at this rate of getting fights we don't even have to take an inch of :geminate:

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Originally by: Douglas Pearce

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Originally by: KFCboy

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*****ing about lag in eve since 2004

100 vs 100 and its laggy. ya either learn to work with it or you get on the forums and complain about it.

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You are missing the point. Its not 2004 anymore. This game should have evolved since then. Saying that that was the case back in 2004 only proves the point of this thread.

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Originally by: CobraXero

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Is it the time of the year again where all of us have to go to Jita and other high populated systems and crash them repeatedly to state a point about server performance? Because it seems noone cares about problems like this until the Mission runners whine about it.

Years back there was Blobs, so we got DD AoE to clear Blobs and therefore, Lag,
Because Hamsters couldn't take the load.
Then Servers got upgraded frequently, Code optimized ( more or less ).
Hamsters can take the load now, so lets remove the AoE Lag killer.
Every single Battle since then prooves, your Hamsters are fat and lazy, and they can't handle it.
Not even on a Reinforced System. They just fail, period !

So how about allowing us to clear our Lag ourself again, and you guys can go back to Jukebox bugs ?

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Originally by: Darriele

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Seems that this -> Linkage is useless. Am I right or right?

/me slaps CCP with a big smelly dead catfish .

Anyway, circumventing a common problem, doesn't solve "the problem"

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- Notifications must be at least 24h in advance, as we re-map these systems during downtime.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Hahaha what the christ?!

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Originally by: Ekantrike

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rabble rabble

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Originally by: CobraXero

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Is it the time of the year again where all of us have to go to Jita and other high populated systems and crash them repeatedly to state a point about server performance? Because it seems noone cares about problems like this until the Mission runners whine about it.

Years back there was Blobs, so we got DD AoE to clear Blobs and therefore, Lag,
Because Hamsters couldn't take the load.
Then Servers got upgraded frequently, Code optimized ( more or less ).
Hamsters can take the load now, so lets remove the AoE Lag killer.
Every single Battle since then prooves, your Hamsters are fat and lazy, and they can't handle it.
Not even on a Reinforced System. They just fail, period !

So how about allowing us to clear our Lag ourself again, and you guys can go back to Jukebox bugs ?

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: CobraXero

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Is it the time of the year again where all of us have to go to Jita and other high populated systems and crash them repeatedly to state a point about server performance? Because it seems noone cares about problems like this until the Mission runners whine about it.

Years back there was Blobs, so we got DD AoE to clear Blobs and therefore, Lag,
Because Hamsters couldn't take the load.
Then Servers got upgraded frequently, Code optimized ( more or less ).
Hamsters can take the load now, so lets remove the AoE Lag killer.
Every single Battle since then prooves, your Hamsters are fat and lazy, and they can't handle it.
Not even on a Reinforced System. They just fail, period !

So how about allowing us to clear our Lag ourself again, and you guys can go back to Jukebox bugs ?

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Right, because in your world, Titans really reduced the size of blobs? EvE was a magical fantasy world of 20vs20 fights until that terrible day of December 1st 2009? Morsus Mihi were well known for their small, tightly co-ordinated fleets, and disdained to bring numbers they didn't need, what with all those Titans they had.?

No, wait, you're just a member of an alliance which has forgotten how to fight without your Titans doomsdaying every gang of 3 or more coming through the Taisy gate.

All these tears about lag... yeah the lag is bad, but stop making excuses. Lag affects everybody. Deal with it - there are ways, accept that you will take some losses, and fight.

Or stay safe in your POS shields and whine about how this is all CCP's fault, while other alliances are getting out there and getting on with it. Your choice, really.

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Originally by: hantwo

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I think there is a valid argument for tools to reduce the blob and thus the lag. The dd worked to a certain extent. The problem really lies in CCP creating timers since POS warefare and the new sov mondel was introduced, and the nerf to skill points, (where a small high skill point gang could counter a much larger gang). These things don't exists in eve today so the blob is kinda inevitable.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: hantwo

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I think there is a valid argument for tools to reduce the blob and thus the lag. The dd worked to a certain extent. The problem really lies in CCP creating timers since POS warefare and the new sov mondel was introduced, and the nerf to skill points, (where a small high skill point gang could counter a much larger gang). These things don't exists in eve today so the blob is kinda inevitable.

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I really dont see any evidence that Titans with Grid****er-9000Ö DDs reduced blobbing. Please do present some. In fact I think there's actually a more valid arguement that they increased it. When people know there's active Titans about, they dont bring small T2 fleet, they bring big-ass double DD proof BS fleets with dreads on standby. Because, you know, grid DD wiped out small ships far more effectively than large ones, and who doesn't want to bring down an enemy titan.

In any case, given that the complaint was coming from Morsus Mihi - the most cynically assiduous blobbers in the game, that somewhat detracted from the credibility of the argument. They have, what? 12 Titans? 15? When did that ever stop them bringing the biggest fleet the grid could bear?

Now because of post xpac server, that number is suddenly smaller than it used to be and lo! there are tears. Their PUSH BUTAN I WINS LOL has gone, their LOL GET FRIENDS advantage has gone and now they actually have to fight. Too bad, so sad.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/12/2009 03:45:24
Wow, look at Atlas chest beating over a turkey shoot

Congrats

In this 5 page thread I must have missed the 1 post from Atlas saying "yeah lag was bad, we didn't want it to go this way, would have been a great fight"

You are allowed to be gracious in victory.

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Originally by: hantwo

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Not quiet sure why you are so bitter about MM but anyways, as i said the DD was one of the last counters to blobbing available, i didn't say it stopped blobbing but it worked to a certain extent. I believe the real problem is in CCP creating a game play that requires timers (POS and sov warfare) and there being no effective counter to blobs at present other than bring your own blob.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: hantwo

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Not quiet sure why you are so bitter about MM but anyways, as i said the DD was one of the last counters to blobbing available, i didn't say it stopped blobbing but it worked to a certain extent. I believe the real problem is in CCP creating a game play that requires timers (POS and sov warfare) and there being no effective counter to blobs at present other than bring your own blob.

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Bitter? If you like you could say I am bitter at 3 wasted evenings, but really, you must concede that hearing MM complain about blobs and lag is pretty rich.

Anyway, that too the side, I'm not sure you can blame CCP all that much. They've created a game where you have an open world and everyone can participate in everything. In that situation, when all else is equal, there's no direct strategic disadvantage to bringing more people with you. And if you bring really enough, then you get lag, which then favours large, slow heavy fleets over smaller, cordinated, mobile fleets even further - which has been the NC's traditional response for a long time now, as I can personally attest having flown both with and against them.

The logical endpoint of your post, on the other hand, is instanced combat between balanced fleets. In short: arena duels for ~good fights~.

I'll take lag over that any day.

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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You lost that fight when you chose the worst possible of 3 options. You could have lowered jammer, bridged in on manual cyno on POS to load system and grid. You could have used regular jumpbridge to enter system and load grid. But instead, your FC wanted you to go through a small gate with us set up at optimals on, a gate that was perfect to bomb you on also which netted us the 100~ or so first kills. Even if there had been 0 lag, the result would have been the same. WI fleet was actively making warpins, hostiles were definitely firing back. We'll see you out there again, at this rate of getting fights we don't even have to take an inch of :geminate:

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I'll take lag over that any day.

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Originally by: hantwo

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incorrect, i would like my skill points to count in a battle

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Originally by: Lrrp

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I'll take lag over that any day.

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So you'll take sitting in a ship that can't move, can't turn mods on and can't fire? Then watch as as your ship then your pod gets destroyed? Me? I'd rather take my chances with the old Titans DD'ing me.
One thing I do know, I won't be jumping thru a gate where large fleets are involved until CCP does it's job and fixes problem.

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Originally by: Lrrp

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One thing I do know, I won't be jumping thru a gate where large fleets are involved until CCP does it's job and fixes problem.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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You lost that fight when you chose the worst possible of 3 options. You could have lowered jammer, bridged in on manual cyno on POS to load system and grid. You could have used regular jumpbridge to enter system and load grid. But instead, your FC wanted you to go through a small gate with us set up at optimals on, a gate that was perfect to bomb you on also which netted us the 100~ or so first kills. Even if there had been 0 lag, the result would have been the same. WI fleet was actively making warpins, hostiles were definitely firing back. We'll see you out there again, at this rate of getting fights we don't even have to take an inch of :geminate:

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It's easier to blame lag than admit they are terrible at e-spaceships, leave them to it

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Lrrp

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One thing I do know, I won't be jumping thru a gate where large fleets are involved until CCP does it's job and fixes problem.

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lolz

the point is that you didn't HAVE to jump through a single heavily camped gate into your certain death - you could have lowered the jammer and bridged in (setting off multiple cynos as decoys at deathstars if you are feeling paranoid about bombers), but you chose the worst possible option and one that would have led to the same result even with zero lag

some people work with the lag, some people win depsite it... others are lazy and/or stupid, or just plain terrible, and they get what they deserve - making threads about it doesnt stop it being something you can mitigate against, if you were not terrible at playing the game

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Originally by: blazeyadeadhommie

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Just wanted to say GF. Thank you atlas for bring the fight to us. Also would like to give a BIG HAND to CCP for ****ing up again.I am never disapointed by you and would like to congratulate you on your newest failure that is dominion. You have really out done yourselves this time. That was the first time i have ever been pod'd with out ever leaving my ship. You guys are the BEST. (CLAPPING)I can't wait to see whats next.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Right, because in your world, Titans really reduced the size of blobs? EvE was a magical fantasy world of 20vs20 fights until that terrible day of December 1st 2009? Morsus Mihi were well known for their small, tightly co-ordinated fleets, and disdained to bring numbers they didn't need, what with all those Titans they had.?

No, wait, you're just a member of an alliance which has forgotten how to fight without your Titans doomsdaying every gang of 3 or more coming through the Taisy gate.

All these tears about lag... yeah the lag is bad, but stop making excuses. Lag affects everybody. Deal with it - there are ways, accept that you will take some losses, and fight.

Or stay safe in your POS shields and whine about how this is all CCP's fault, while other alliances are getting out there and getting on with it. Your choice, really.

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Originally by: Endeva

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Good job atlas. dont listen those NC failures making execuses why they are sucha fail in pvp. same happend to them in pb. go atlas <3

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yes lower the jammer and see enemy capitals on standbye jump in that sounds fantastic. Im sure atlas was just waiting for that.

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Originally by: Astal Atlar

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yes lower the jammer and see enemy capitals on standbye jump in that sounds fantastic. Im sure atlas was just waiting for that.

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Yeah like you don't have spies in atlas or your allies and we never formed capitals you waited 3 full hours to figure that and gatehr all your blob. Dah told you your fc failed,you had several options,worse choice made = death. It was fun lag was managable I am just mad served didn't generate like 100+ of our kills,but the fraps and ect show the carnage quiet well.

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Originally by: CobraXero

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Right, because in your world, Titans really reduced the size of blobs? EvE was a magical fantasy world of 20vs20 fights until that terrible day of December 1st 2009? Morsus Mihi were well known for their small, tightly co-ordinated fleets, and disdained to bring numbers they didn't need, what with all those Titans they had.?

No, wait, you're just a member of an alliance which has forgotten how to fight without your Titans doomsdaying every gang of 3 or more coming through the Taisy gate.

All these tears about lag... yeah the lag is bad, but stop making excuses. Lag affects everybody. Deal with it - there are ways, accept that you will take some losses, and fight.

Or stay safe in your POS shields and whine about how this is all CCP's fault, while other alliances are getting out there and getting on with it. Your choice, really.

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Mal, dont get me wrong, i am playing this game already longer than you are allowed to use a computer...

[Changing the subject and whinging about CAOD omitted]

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Originally by: Twyce Nyetlee

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yes lower the jammer and see enemy capitals on standbye jump in that sounds fantastic. Im sure atlas was just waiting for that.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Twyce Nyetlee

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yes lower the jammer and see enemy capitals on standbye jump in that sounds fantastic. Im sure atlas was just waiting for that.

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ohnoes capitals

don't you, ME, MM, and RZR combined have a larger cap fleet than atlas? why would you be scared about that?

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Originally by: Natasha Bonnet

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Keeping this post short and sweet.

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Originally by: Gokil

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Originally by: Natasha Bonnet

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Keeping this post short and sweet.

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Originally by: Vlajko san

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It's not lag.
Lag is something we are used to for years.
This is something completely different.
This just doesn't work, and that is that.
I've been (or tried to be) in at least 10 larger fleet engagements since the Dominion, and every single one of them ended in 1 of 3 ways:

1. We jump in and get afk-slaughtered not being able to load system at all.
2. Enemies jump in and we afk-slaughter them without them being able to do anything.
3. NOD crashes and both sides spend a couple of hours trying to get back in game.

This is getting really old, really fast, while CCP not only ignores the problem, but doesn't even want's to recognize it's existence. If nothing is done about this very soon, this could as well be the end of Eve as we know it.

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Originally by: Riedle

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Originally by: blazeyadeadhommie

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Just wanted to say GF. Thank you atlas for bring the fight to us. Also would like to give a BIG HAND to CCP for ****ing up again.I am never disapointed by you and would like to congratulate you on your newest failure that is dominion. You have really out done yourselves this time. That was the first time i have ever been pod'd with out ever leaving my ship. You guys are the BEST. (CLAPPING)I can't wait to see whats next.

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You again eh? lol. Well my alliance is blue to Atlas so hopefully I can finally get my revenge on you.

;)

ROFLMAO, You still holding on to that.
Linkage for backstory

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Originally by: Elvor Dark

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Jumping into a system, not loading the grid and then dying 20 minutes later sucks. I totally agree.

However...

There is one other simple fix for this problem, how's about we all STOP BLOBBING!

Tbh, I blame the NC.

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Originally by: Twyce Nyetlee

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Originally by: Elvor Dark

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Jumping into a system, not loading the grid and then dying 20 minutes later sucks. I totally agree.

However...

There is one other simple fix for this problem, how's about we all STOP BLOBBING!

Tbh, I blame the NC.

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yes blame us cuz atlas didnt have alot of people either

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Originally by: Elvor Dark

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Originally by: Twyce Nyetlee

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Originally by: Elvor Dark

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Jumping into a system, not loading the grid and then dying 20 minutes later sucks. I totally agree.

However...

There is one other simple fix for this problem, how's about we all STOP BLOBBING!

Tbh, I blame the NC.

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yes blame us cuz atlas didnt have alot of people either

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Oh yeah baby! You sir have been trolled. That didn't take long.

Thank you and good day.

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