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genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.01.11 09:34:00 -
[181]
Joe is starting to sound like he watches too much law and order,
or matlock or something
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Ancy Denaries
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2010.01.11 09:59:00 -
[182]
 Originally by: Lyris Nairn
With respect to your page 5 snipe
Thank you ;)
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
, what you (or anyone else) thinks CVA (or any other entity) should or should not do has very little relevance to what it actually does. I just noticed in the chat logs that Zedrik either was or was pretending to be unaware of the posted CVA rules (and the fact that Joe, for all his pig-headed stupidity, seems to be legitimately following them). I was just trying to be helpful by pointing out what I believe to be the way things are; forgive me, but I'd prefer to avoid getting into a discussion of the way things should be: it would take way too long, and everyone has their own opinions so it's doubtful anything would come of it.
Quite true. I shall refrain from derailing the thread. *Sorry* Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Good luck with your investigations, Zedrik!
Agreed.
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Dracoknight
Strategic Syndicate
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.01.11 13:30:00 -
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As currently stated before, Joe will use CVA as a "meatshield" thus IEEE is doing CVA a favor of getting rid of this parasite in CVA space.
So far i am concerned whomever CVA takes sides of it make it more fun no matter who they shoot
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Alhambra Trellane
Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.01.11 17:19:00 -
[184]
WTB Official IEEE-listed Joe Corpse, CVA edition.
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Seriously.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.11 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alhambra Trellane
WTB Official IEEE-listed Joe Corpse, CVA edition.
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Seriously.
I am not certain there is an IEEE-listed CVA Edition Joe Corpse out there. I believe that certain temporarily deputized members of Hydra Reloaded do have one. You might want to contact them.
For no charge the IEEE will inspect the corpse, and rebrand it if you wish provided it has been maintained in a sufficient manner to keep the integrity of tears frozen to the face as well as the pristine nature of the corpse. (The space dust in CVA space is significantly different from most 0.0 space, in that the carebearium sub-atomic particle density per m3 being so high.) This of course will differentiate this corpse from any other.
A wise choice for any collector of such oddities I am sure. Should the IEEE itself manage to acquire such a corpse, I am certain it can be made available for a suitable fee.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Exaduss
Caldari
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.12 11:05:00 -
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Unfortunately, I believe all we have in stock on contracts right now is the
authentic "I'm bulletproof; you can't touch me!" (immediately refuted) corpse.
P.S.
Don't be fooled by the Joe Phoenixxx corpse I saw up, either.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.01.12 11:20:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Zed's blog
Joe Phoenix > no i believe the fact a called your wife a fat ***** and your daughter a baby mutant is what you are interested in..
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Yeah. Drive this trash the hell off EVE please.
I'm gonna have a word with some friends down in CVA space on the slim chance they can help...
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Millie Clode
Amarr
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.12 11:53:00 -
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From CVA's guidelines page:
Quote:
While the CVA and friends generally welcome all pilots who obey our NRDS rules to Providence we do reserve the right to KOS people who act like complete ****s in our space. This is a rarely used sanction but the following behaviours can result in KOS in Providence:
- Can flipping
- Scamming or exploiting
- Constant local smack (against other neutrals or our enemies)
- Consistently stirring trouble between other residents
- Generally behaving like an idiot on a regular basis
- Disrespecting the Amarr Empire (the CVA is an Amarrian roleplay alliance so do not expect us to look favourably on people who consistently abuse their freedom to use of our space to verbally attack the Amarrian Empire)
Fortunately these sanctions are only occasionally applied - but don't try and test us!
- Scamming or exploiting - Joe's corp is one big scam, he recruits under such obviously false pretenses that only outright noobs would fall for it.
- Constant local smack (against other neutrals or our enemies) - Again, Joe is guilty as charged on this one. Even when we aren't shooting at him the verbal diarhea from him is pretty constant.
- Generally behaving like an idiot on a regular basis - I believe that one is fairly self evident
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Dracoknight
Strategic Syndicate
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.01.12 13:03:00 -
[189]
Hmm, i think its time for me to pull some strings in CVA aswell... but i think Zedrik can handle that quite well by himself ^^
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Syringe
Incura
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Posted - 2010.01.12 15:38:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Millie Clode
From CVA's guidelines page:
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This is a rarely used sanction...
Hrm... I seem to recall them being very liberal with it. I'm fairly certain they've redlisted at least 4 of my characters at some point or another for various reasons.
Hey - it's not MY fault they let their pets mine lowsec in unprotected hulks!
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.12 16:12:00 -
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In the relatively few chats I have had with CVA diplomats, I have been repeatedly been told that being an idiot is not sufficient reason to be put on the KOS list and effectively banning folks from CVA controlled space.
So I stopped pursuing the 'Joe is an idiot and will cause disruption in your space' line of talks. I would go further into it I suppose if I didn't know that the CVA diplomatic corps was not terribly busy dealing with..well..everything that having a huge NRDS area entails.
The huge amount of documented evidence that Joe is, indeed, one of the worst CEO's in New Eden can be quite a bit for any one person to digest, and I am certain that the CVA diplomats have much better things to do with their time than to moderate such a small dispute.
I am of course willing to discuss with the CVA diplomatic corps (behind closed doors, as all my discussions with the CVA diplomats have been, since they have been not really worth boring C&P with) the situation and if they are willing to peruse all of the IEEE's interactions with the Imperial Commonwealth and form their own opinion of the situation, they are more than welcome to.
Until such time, as Joe invites us to Providence by his presence in their space, we will more than likely continue to blow him up in their space. As I am sure others will. And I am certain that Joe will continue to ask for protection and assistance, pulling resources away from actual patrols, gate camps, and other protection duties that the CVA irregulars engage in against folks who are actually a threat to the peace and security in CVA controlled space as opposed to his personal safety and security.
As of this time, there has been more communication between the IEEE and the Imperial Commonwealth regarding the petition for reimbursement for losses sustained in Providence. We are a bit confused as Joe has often said that he makes isk every time we blow a ship up, as to what kind of reimbursement he would like. If we assume that the 'balance sheet' as it were be returned to zero, then I suppose the IEEE would accept the profit gained by his ship exploding as an satisfactory resolution of the problem. But we can only accept this once all other issues between our two corporations and members are actually resolved.
Until then, the reimbursement request process will remain in limbo.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Harataka
Gekko Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.12 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Harataka on 12/01/2010 16:56:17
Seriously? *Seriously?*
So because he can't deal with this wardec himself, Joe goes into CVA space to let them fight his battles for him.
And ... CVA doesn't see that he's directly manipulating them into being his meatshield, like others have said?
On top of that he's attempting to blatantly use CVA rules to extort money from Zedrik and company for pursuing a perfectly legal wardec, on threat of getting them KOS in CVA space?
Wow Joe, that is really low. It's about the biggest d-move I've seen you make in this whole thing (and I've been following since the beginning), I hope you're proud of yourself. Well, it seems you are with your smug gloating BS in that extortion attempt.
And CVA, you should be ashamed of yourself. You create a pretty cool set of rules and a place where people can get a taste of 0.0, and then apparently allow a coward to use your rules to hide behind and make you guys his little female dogs.
If that's not the case, please set me straight, but the more you let people abuse your rules, the more "undesirables" you'll have stinking up your space.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.12 17:30:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Originally by: Zed's blog
Joe Phoenix > no i believe the fact a called your wife a fat ***** and your daughter a baby mutant is what you are interested in..
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Yeah. Drive this trash the hell off EVE please.
I'm gonna have a word with some friends down in CVA space on the slim chance they can help...
I have no interest in 'driving anyone out EvE'. I am certain that Joe has a place here as almost everyone does.
That place is not in command of anything larger than his own ship, or at best maybe a squadron on a well organized mining operation or even a mission clearing crew. Or quite possibly the recruitment arm of a larger organization, as his skills for recruiting new folks into his corporation seem to be good.
But in any capacity where his word may affect the well being of pilots around him, he has no place. As he brings nothing but sadness, death, and loss to those around him. And he callously seems unaware of it, which may say even more about his capacity as leader than anything else. He signs folks up unaware of the situation they will be brought into. Does not seem to give them guidance at all. And thereby gets them killed. These are not the signs of a good leader in EvE.
I myself am guilty of getting my pilots killed by bad leadership. But then again, before or immediately after they join, they are fully informed that doing anything I tell them to is likely to get them dead, and that they will most likely be met with folks with many guns bent upon their destruction. Nobody joins the IEEE without any idea of what they are getting themselves into.
I do not wish Joe ill. I have repeatedly stated that his quest to create a special kind of corporation who work together towards a common goal is laudable and I wish him luck. He is not qualified to actually head up and run such an operation. He could be there as spiritual adviser, a beacon of the ideal he espouses. But as for the actual day to day running of the operation and the public face of it. Should be left to someone who will better serve the corporation.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.01.12 17:43:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Joe has often said that he makes isk every time we blow a ship up
One of these days I'm going to have to sit down with a list of Joe's lossmails, and compare the cost of fitting those ships with the insurance payout. Perhaps his ship fitting guideline is "make the overall cost of the hull + fittings less than payout - purchasing price".
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Loqiel
Caldari
Legio Fortunae
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Posted - 2010.01.12 18:16:00 -
[195]
One on hand, this is a fairly ingenius move by Joe: move to nullsec and attempt to get others to help you by claiming your rights in their space are being violated. On the other hand, he ran to the equivalent of Castle Grayskull for carebears, who are not known for their willingness to join in pew pew, and especially not to defend someone as notorious and abrasive as Joe.
I think CVA has to address this matter. They need to set a precedent that this kind of systematic abuse of the protection their laws grant will not be tolerated or this will only be repeated ad nauseum much to everyone's chagrin, but especially their own. |
Gah'Matar
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:42:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Gavin DeVries
One of these days I'm going to have to sit down with a list of Joe's lossmails, and compare the cost of fitting those ships with the insurance payout. Perhaps his ship fitting guideline is "make the overall cost of the hull + fittings less than payout - purchasing price".
Minerals you get noobs to mine really are free.
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Z'Pax
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:04:00 -
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For obvious reasons I'm not posting on my main.
I'm a providence holder, part of the crowd who thrive on the fact that most of New Eden hate our bosses CVA and thus us, and accordingly bring themselves to our doorsteps so pew pew is never far away.
I'm also a bit anti pirate and anti griefer.. hey its nice getting pew pew and technically trying to be the good guy.
But this whole Joe Phoenix thing. F*** that P**** :)
At the start of the blog I kinda felt sorry for him... but assuming only 1/2 of that blog is true, hope he gets blown out the airlock. Zed expect relays of intel about his location when and if he is spotted, least I can do to aid the poor noobs out there, and now he is in my yard.. crap I might have to defend this guy.. not frickin likely.
Also as I understand it. And you'll love this. By our rules down here. I think Joe Phoenix should actually be KOS himself. He hasn't joined another alliance since leaving Hydra has he? On one of our vague technicalities I'm pretty sure he is indeed technically still red? Perhaps bring that up with the bosses on the next diplo chat :)
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:17:00 -
[198]
Quote:
I have no interest in 'driving anyone out EvE'. I am certain that Joe has a place here as almost everyone does (snip)
A perfectly reasonable perspective.
I just personally reserve a special place in my target priorities for people who sink to mind numbingly childish smack of that nature.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:24:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Z'Pax
For obvious reasons I'm not posting on my main.
I'm a providence holder, part of the crowd who thrive on the fact that most of New Eden hate our bosses CVA and thus us, and accordingly bring themselves to our doorsteps so pew pew is never far away.
I'm also a bit anti pirate and anti griefer.. hey its nice getting pew pew and technically trying to be the good guy.
But this whole Joe Phoenix thing. F*** that P**** :)
At the start of the blog I kinda felt sorry for him... but assuming only 1/2 of that blog is true, hope he gets blown out the airlock. Zed expect relays of intel about his location when and if he is spotted, least I can do to aid the poor noobs out there, and now he is in my yard.. crap I might have to defend this guy.. not frickin likely.
Also as I understand it. And you'll love this. By our rules down here. I think Joe Phoenix should actually be KOS himself. He hasn't joined another alliance since leaving Hydra has he? On one of our vague technicalities I'm pretty sure he is indeed technically still red? Perhaps bring that up with the bosses on the next diplo chat :)
I will guarantee that everything in the blog that is a conversation with me in it actually happened. In exhausting detail. The only conversations that have been modified are the ones that I specifically note have been, and even then mostly for length and content which is purely noise. (chats from local often suffer from a lot of noise, especially Jita local).
Conversations that I did not actually participate in were sent to me by one of the participants, and while I personally cannot guarantee that they are unmodified, I trust most of the sources I have used to not make a liar out of me.
And not every single conversation makes it to the blog. There are plenty more that I have received that folks have asked me to keep quiet..and there are others that have been buried by me because they would ruin a spy's placement, were just plain un-funny, or that if put out will ruin some other aspect of the investigation. In time some of the squelched conversations will be put out provided not too much time has elapsed since they became relevant and provided they are relatively amusing.
I actually put forth the argument with a cva diplomat about the Imperial Commonwealth's relationship with Hydra Reloaded, but was told since they did not actively participate in raiding CVA space they were not deemed to be a threat. (We try to be thorough here at the IEEE.)
<plug>Remember folks, keep the funny on the forums. Support the IEEE. Donations to the chief librarian, or directly to the corporation will get put to use supporting our investigations. (Which should become relatively expensive should Joe actually manage to create an alliance.) Donations to other members of the IEEE are also welcome, and I am certain will also be used in our investigations.</plug>
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Z'Pax
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:44:00 -
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Yeah its true, Genos when they come in are pro's in perfect ships for what they do, something Joe I doubt has any clue about.
Well if your not red? Just go for the old mental acuity test, put yourself in any ship next to him and take a hit from him, eh voila insta kos list for attacking a neut as I doubt he could resist taking a shot at you.
Either way I spot him info will follow.
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Dracoknight
Strategic Syndicate
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.01.12 21:47:00 -
[201]
Since the topic of modified logs came up, i garantee that every single of the convosations of Me or Damien is 100% unmodified and in context.
However, Damiens own blog have some rather amusing modified logs if that is more your cup of tea.
I also believe our insiders, co-operatives and supporters have no reason to even modify a convo with Joe, sadly that prevents us from doing a spelling check of Joes rather "unique" spelling and grammar, since they either lose their hilarity or point as this being changed.
though it doesnt seem like there will be anymore logs from me nor Damien due to Joes paranoia and his recently discovery of the "block list"
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Kazak Fixken
Imperial Commonwealth
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Posted - 2010.01.13 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Harataka
On top of that he's attempting to blatantly use CVA rules to extort money from Zedrik and company for pursuing a perfectly legal wardec, on threat of getting them KOS in CVA space?
CVA standard procedures dictate that we should contact the CEO of an enemy corporation prior to the filing of a KOS request, requesting reimbursement for the unsanctioned kill. In Providence, CVA is the authority, not CONCORD. We are just carrying out the correct diplomatic practices.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
The Confederate Navy
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2010.01.13 02:58:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Kazak Fixken
Originally by: Harataka
On top of that he's attempting to blatantly use CVA rules to extort money from Zedrik and company for pursuing a perfectly legal wardec, on threat of getting them KOS in CVA space?
CVA standard procedures dictate that we should contact the CEO of an enemy corporation prior to the filing of a KOS request, requesting reimbursement for the unsanctioned kill. In Providence, CVA is the authority, not CONCORD. We are just carrying out the correct diplomatic practices.
Has Zedrik actually killed you guys in Providence yet? Until then, you can't QQ.
--Isaac
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AMAAR VICTOR!
"You just can't fix stupid"
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.13 03:10:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Originally by: Kazak Fixken
Originally by: Harataka
On top of that he's attempting to blatantly use CVA rules to extort money from Zedrik and company for pursuing a perfectly legal wardec, on threat of getting them KOS in CVA space?
CVA standard procedures dictate that we should contact the CEO of an enemy corporation prior to the filing of a KOS request, requesting reimbursement for the unsanctioned kill. In Providence, CVA is the authority, not CONCORD. We are just carrying out the correct diplomatic practices.
Has Zedrik actually killed you guys in Providence yet? Until then, you can't QQ.
There is evidence of Imperial Commonwealth vessels dying under the hand of the IEEE. Who shot first, who owes whom, is subject to investigation which will be carried out during the reimbursement process.
That process is in limbo at the moment due to other procedural matters between the Imperial Commonwealth and the IEEE. Specifically amounts or goods owed to certain IEEE pilots, and the war situation between our two corporations which can be easily resolved.
I am still puzzled at the amounts requested for reimbursement given that, by Joeseph's own words, he makes isk for every ship we blow up. But that will all shake out during the reimbursement process.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.01.13 04:52:00 -
[205]
What I want to know is which one of you lot told Joe about CVA.
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w1ldt4ngent
SWARTA
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Posted - 2010.01.13 05:34:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
What I want to know is which one of you lot told Joe about CVA.
^ This. There's no way he came up with that idea on his own. He had to have had help.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.13 07:11:00 -
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Well...the IEEE have been made KOS in CVA controlled space.
So, with great sadness I must announce that Standards and Practices have begun the paperwork with CONCORD to add to our investigation Curatores Veritatis Alliance.
We have had some diplomatic contact with the CVA, to inform them of this sad state of affairs. As well as bringing to their attention the Gal-Net posts which back this state.
We will also like to announce blood red standings against all providence holders in addition to the CVA.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Dracoknight
Strategic Syndicate
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.01.13 07:14:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Kazak Fixken
Originally by: Harataka
On top of that he's attempting to blatantly use CVA rules to extort money from Zedrik and company for pursuing a perfectly legal wardec, on threat of getting them KOS in CVA space?
CVA standard procedures dictate that we should contact the CEO of an enemy corporation prior to the filing of a KOS request, requesting reimbursement for the unsanctioned kill. In Providence, CVA is the authority, not CONCORD. We are just carrying out the correct diplomatic practices.
Your definition of "correct diplomacy" meaning "Hiding-behind-a-big-guy-and-hope-he-kills-whatever-you-are-afraid-of" ?
So far i am aware IC have done nothing that can even remotely called "Correct" even if you do manage to recruit pilots, you still fail to teach them why and how to play.
And CVA being the authority have nothing to do with Joes losses really as he is hiding in jita 44 day out and day in and seem to be in hiding letting his own corpmates to fend for themselves, and he is in no position to ask for anything. Like Zedrik cant force Joe to quit his role as CEO, the same way cant CVA force IEEE to follow up any funny demands Joe might come up with, and a reimbursement can only take place when BOTH part agree to do so.
Also like to add that exploiting the hospitality of CVA to hide from IEEE is just being a coward, but the funny thing about the whole is that Joe have more enemies in Providence than he ever could get at once in highsec.
I mean there is still a high price on a Providence issue Joe corpse, but i let joe realize it himself that there is more dangers in CVA controlled space than the little prodding we IEEE did back in highsec.
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Mary Bennet
Caldari
Alloyed Tritanium Bar And Grill
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Posted - 2010.01.13 08:12:00 -
[209]
Time for a Joe-ageddon in Providence? 
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.01.13 08:18:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Mary Bennet
Time for a Joe-ageddon in Providence?
I'm all for just burning Prov TBQH...
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