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Carlos Aranda
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:29:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Carlos Aranda wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: Knowing Aryth, he will probably responsibly reinvest it.
My point is still, when do we see the fruits of this? I do not see anything. Neither I see goons fly better ships than before, nor I see i.e. Improved Implants for 40 mil. Same with Tech. I guess, the answer "Switzerland" was more right than the guy really thought. The money just gets sucked in the wallets of a couple guys, who are too rich anyways, kind of like the Marcus billions or Abachi billions etc. I would be extremely counterproductive for us to do that. The whole point is to profit as much as possible. You do not do that crushing markets long term. The markets only took impact for a short period because we needed liquidity. Think of it like a loop feeding off the market to get more capital. We would cycle ISK out of faction ships/implants/cores so that we could get to goal. Think of it like this. Would you invest 500b in liquid ISK to get 5T worth of assets? That is basically what was done.
That would be a very risky bet. I guess, that is why you have installed FWeddit, to stop the Minmatar FW ppl to reach tier 5 again and get FW items for prices, which are competitive to you and destroy the worth of your imaginary 5T ISK, which you avhe just in your head or book right now, not really in your wallet. |

Ituhata
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:30:00 -
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Good Morning, New Eden!
I see you still have your pannies in a bunch. |

Meno Theaetetus
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:30:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Courthouse wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:OP admits that his alliance broke the EULA by exploiting.
Again.
And CCP lets them stay.
And its directly because you cant afford to ban them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Consider me unsubbed.
Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions. He bought a 10 year sub and has to wait for it to run out.  Hmmm With all the ISK that goonies have made could they say they quit as well and keep playing for then next 10 years. Oh wait can you chain in multiple plex's and how many can you do ? Hmm makes you wonder. 9000 members * 12 months * 10 Years = 1,080,000 Plex's
People seem to think that everyone in the alliance share a bank account, a small group of people in the alliance were very clever and made a lot of money. That doesn't however include the other 1000 odd people (I don't actually know how many individuals are in the alliance). It also does not include the alliance wallet.
This was just a few very rich people in the alliance that had the time, money and inclination to do what they enjoy, min max the sandbox and see what they can make within the confides of the game mechanics created by CCP.
I very much doubt CCP want to send out the message that although this is a sandbox, market manipulation, because that was what this was, is only allowed to go as far as to make you a little bit of money, make a lot and you're 'exploiting' the system. |

Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:31:00 -
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Carlos Aranda wrote:They should not be expensiv, if you really are filfthy rich. Or you could upgrade the Maelstroms in Machariels. I.e. Snuff box fly a Machariel fleet without owning Tech moons or LP shop heist. I should've said "more expensive". Some people seem to think "it's more expensive, so it must be better".
As to what we fly, first off not the entirety of GSF participated, and secondly there are very good reasons why you don't roll around in blingfleets all day erryday. The war in tenal showed that pretty succinctly that there are other qualities needed to win a war than "how much money can we spend". |

Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:33:00 -
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Carlos Aranda wrote:Aryth wrote:Carlos Aranda wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: Knowing Aryth, he will probably responsibly reinvest it.
My point is still, when do we see the fruits of this? I do not see anything. Neither I see goons fly better ships than before, nor I see i.e. Improved Implants for 40 mil. Same with Tech. I guess, the answer "Switzerland" was more right than the guy really thought. The money just gets sucked in the wallets of a couple guys, who are too rich anyways, kind of like the Marcus billions or Abachi billions etc. I would be extremely counterproductive for us to do that. The whole point is to profit as much as possible. You do not do that crushing markets long term. The markets only took impact for a short period because we needed liquidity. Think of it like a loop feeding off the market to get more capital. We would cycle ISK out of faction ships/implants/cores so that we could get to goal. Think of it like this. Would you invest 500b in liquid ISK to get 5T worth of assets? That is basically what was done. That would be a very risky bet. I guess, that is why you have installed FWeddit, to stop the Minmatar FW ppl to reach tier 5 again and get FW items for prices, which are competitive to you and destroy the worth of your imaginary 5T ISK
Correct. Though we didn't install FWreddit. That was just a really great troll on them. We selected Minmatar for the majority of this as we knew we could get them T5 if we were willing to spend a lot of ISK to do so. Based on their starting # of systems. It was important to get this fixed before any long term consequences to the game happened. So moving fast and selecting the quickest faction to hit T4/T5 was key. |

Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
578
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:36:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:It's not like the easy money has anything to do with why we are winning the territory war. More people plexing for your side is not an advantage in the territory war? And piles of ISK and faction crusiers is not an advantage either ... it just means that you can field better and fewer ships to match any enemy force and that you don't have to travel back and forth re-shipping as much. No biggie right? |

Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
29
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:43:00 -
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Huh should have gone to that thing... |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:46:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:This quote from the op makes it pretty clear that there was a bug that "doubled the rewards" and though CCP patched the bug out "the damage was done" and the cabal had the "seed LP" for the scheme.
I guess there is a question (that only CCP can answer in their internal enquiry) of whether this bug was reported by the op at the time it was being used to gain the seed LP for the ongoing project. You know, we can say its a bug, but we don't really actually know if it was a bug or if ccp just went "You know, double rewarding players doesn't make any sense, does it." We know this wasn't a programing bug - the original design as shown in the devblog included cargo dropped in the lp, and people commented on it. That was a design choice that wound up putting a 2x multiplier in (and making an element of chance involved). |

Carlos Aranda
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:49:00 -
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anyways I seem to know the Switzers better than you Goons do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAoDzIsx03E |

Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:56:00 -
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Amarr Ian wrote: How about you tell me how this didn't fail. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good idea, but what did happen, is that they broadcast-ed what they were doing, (while bragging their a**** off) and lost all the hard? earned ISK.
Now please tell me how this wasn't a fail.
They haven't lost anything yet, and from my understanding, the only reason it was announced was that some dumbass leaked an internal document talking about this. As for the punishment they will likely get... it will be a slap on the wrist. CCP has a habit of coddling Goons in any and all actions they take even when they severely hurt the game and the way CCP looks in the public eye. |

Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:00:00 -
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Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:Amarr Ian wrote: How about you tell me how this didn't fail. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good idea, but what did happen, is that they broadcast-ed what they were doing, (while bragging their a**** off) and lost all the hard? earned ISK.
Now please tell me how this wasn't a fail.
They haven't lost anything yet, and from my understanding, the only reason it was announced was that some dumbass leaked an internal document talking about this. As for the punishment they will likely get... it will be a slap on the wrist. CCP has a habit of coddling Goons in any and all actions they take even when they are severe.
No. I purposely told CCP, frantically you could say. Where I screwed up is, well I am bad at twitter as I only have twitter to ask Diagoras for stats. I didn't realize it's public if I sent something to Punkturis. Whoops. |

Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:04:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:Amarr Ian wrote: How about you tell me how this didn't fail. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good idea, but what did happen, is that they broadcast-ed what they were doing, (while bragging their a**** off) and lost all the hard? earned ISK.
Now please tell me how this wasn't a fail.
They haven't lost anything yet, and from my understanding, the only reason it was announced was that some dumbass leaked an internal document talking about this. As for the punishment they will likely get... it will be a slap on the wrist. CCP has a habit of coddling Goons in any and all actions they take even when they are severe. No. I purposely told CCP, frantically you could say. Where I screwed up is, well I am bad at twitter as I only have twitter to ask Diagoras for stats. I didn't realize it's public if I sent something to Punkturis. Whoops.
"I'll believe that when me **** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."
Your whole "I was trying to be a good citizen by reporting it" talk is that while you assumed this was a horrible exploit and abuse of the in game mechanics you continued to do so, and when they tried to hot fix it you found a work around and still continued abusing it. I think your self proclaimed sum of isk you made was in the trillions? You would think if you were "frantically" trying to inform CCP you would have stopped after you figured it out, but no you continued to abuse it over and over and over. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1402
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:04:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Goons took credit at the beginning of the thread now your saying your not , inconsistent ?
Tal Let me try to say it more bluntly. CCP has the logs and the data.
... and their logs will show nothing! 
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:05:00 -
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Meno Theaetetus wrote:
I very much doubt CCP want to send out the message that although this is a sandbox, market manipulation, because that was what this was, is only allowed to go as far as to make you a little bit of money, make a lot and you're 'exploiting' the system.
I don't think anyone thinks the exploit happened in the market; the exploit happened in getting LP's.
If it wasn't "wrong" or "a bug", then why would they even bother reporting it to CCP in the first place? If they really believed what they were doing was legit, they'd still be doing it and you can bet you wouldn't hear it from them.
What they did was grab up as much as they thought they could get away with. "Ohhh, CCP, it's no biggie, right? It's just 5tril worth of ISK. It's a drop in the bucket. You made a bad call, we exploited it, lets just call it a wash and go about our space business."
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:07:00 -
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Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote: "I'll believe that when me **** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."
unfortunately for you unmistakable proof shows you're wrong |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:07:00 -
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Ghost Xray wrote:Meno Theaetetus wrote:
I very much doubt CCP want to send out the message that although this is a sandbox, market manipulation, because that was what this was, is only allowed to go as far as to make you a little bit of money, make a lot and you're 'exploiting' the system.
I don't think anyone thinks the exploit happened in the market; the exploit happened in getting LP's. If it wasn't "wrong" or "a bug", then why would they even bother reporting it to CCP in the first place? If they really believed what they were doing was legit, they'd still be doing it and you can bet you wouldn't hear it from them. What they did was grab up as much as they thought they could get away with. "Ohhh, CCP, it's no biggie, right? It's just 5tril worth of ISK. It's a drop in the bucket. You made a bad call, we exploited it, lets just call it a wash and go about our space business."
"Hey, we found this thing. We don't know iff you intended this or not, but it allows us to do X if we go nuts with it. Here is proof." Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:07:00 -
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Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:"I'll believe that when me **** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet." You might want to read back in the thread when Jade shows us the twitter link. So if I were you I'd call the doctor, because ****'s purple and smell like rainbow sherbet. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:07:00 -
[1158] - Quote
in other words get eating |

Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:09:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:Meno Theaetetus wrote:
I very much doubt CCP want to send out the message that although this is a sandbox, market manipulation, because that was what this was, is only allowed to go as far as to make you a little bit of money, make a lot and you're 'exploiting' the system.
I don't think anyone thinks the exploit happened in the market; the exploit happened in getting LP's. If it wasn't "wrong" or "a bug", then why would they even bother reporting it to CCP in the first place? If they really believed what they were doing was legit, they'd still be doing it and you can bet you wouldn't hear it from them. What they did was grab up as much as they thought they could get away with. "Ohhh, CCP, it's no biggie, right? It's just 5tril worth of ISK. It's a drop in the bucket. You made a bad call, we exploited it, lets just call it a wash and go about our space business." "Hey, we found this thing. We don't know iff you intended this or not, but it allows us to do X if we go nuts with it. Here is proof."
If that were true, I'd expect they'd say, "Oh, and here, you should probably take back these LP's we gained because in the hands of a villain, they may then try to dominate the market with it and that'd given them an unfair advantage", instead of "hell yeah, WE B SPACE RICH!! TO THE FORUMS TO GLOAT!!!" |

Cordially Yours
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:12:00 -
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why is it that the forum mods have been closing all sorts of threads lately for all sorts of lame ass reasons, but they haven't locked this one yet? |

Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
578
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:13:00 -
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Ghost Xray wrote:If that were true, I'd expect they'd say, "Oh, and here, you should probably take back these LP's we gained because in the hands of a villain, they may then try to dominate the market with it and that'd given them an unfair advantage", instead of "hell yeah, WE B SPACE RICH!! TO THE FORUMS TO GLOAT!!!" Nothing wrong trying to make a living helping CCP with game design. The goons did this one good me think. But maybe they tried to get away with to much. And why wouldn't you brag if you made 5 trillion ISK? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4127
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:14:00 -
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Cordially Yours wrote:why is it that the forum mods have been closing all sorts of threads lately for all sorts of lame ass reasons, but they haven't locked this one yet?
Maybe because it hasn't broken the rules yet? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:15:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:If that were true, I'd expect they'd say, "Oh, and here, you should probably take back these LP's we gained because in the hands of a villain, they may then try to dominate the market with it and that'd given them an unfair advantage", instead of "hell yeah, WE B SPACE RICH!! TO THE FORUMS TO GLOAT!!!" Nothing wrong trying to make a living helping CCP with game design. The goons did this one good me think. But maybe they tried to get away with to much. And why wouldn't you brag if you made 5 trillion ISK?
We are not making any attempt to hide the fact we wanted to profit. I don't believe profit and keeping the game sane are mutually exclusive. |

Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
23
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:16:00 -
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congrats goons. good exploitation is good. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:16:00 -
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Cordially Yours wrote:why is it that the forum mods have been closing all sorts of threads lately for all sorts of lame ass reasons, but they haven't locked this one yet? because it's a thread thats interesting, shows off the game in a great way, and is really impressive
it even made the news |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1402
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:19:00 -
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Carlos Aranda wrote: . Others also have of course ship reimbursement programs. In other words, the wealth does not reach the average Goon. Where is that money?
Why should they give ISK to the average Goon? Even the communist USSR brass had their nice villas while everybody else sucked the hard nuts.
Anyway here's the fairest punishment for those 5 guys:
2 years of obligatory work in CCP as coders and QA testers.
Either this will be a suitable Dante's alike retaliation and will make them experiment their own stuff.
And / or
EvE's game code quality will increase 3 fold.
Win on all the line. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
467
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Carlos Aranda wrote: . Others also have of course ship reimbursement programs. In other words, the wealth does not reach the average Goon. Where is that money?
Why should they give ISK to the average Goon? Even the communist USSR brass had their nice villas while everybody else sucked the hard nuts. Anyway here's the fairest punishment for those 5 guys: 2 years of obligatory work in CCP as coders and QA testers. Either this will be a suitable Dante's alike retaliation and will make them experiment their own stuff. And / or EvE's game code quality will increase 3 fold. Win on all the line.
CCP cannot afford to pay any of us, especially if they would want us in Iceland. We may be happy to do remote consulting, of course.  |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1402
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:21:00 -
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Haquer wrote: Only morons dump what they're sitting on into the markets (and this is why the mineral market is crashing downward -- morons)
Mineral markets are crashing because of another 2 reasons, I let you guess which is. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:25:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Haquer wrote: Only morons dump what they're sitting on into the markets (and this is why the mineral market is crashing downward -- morons)
Mineral markets are crashing because of another 2 reasons, I let you guess which is. "mineral markets" are not crashing
some minerals are crashing, some are spiking, (highends and lowends respectively) |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
693
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:27:00 -
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Goremageddon Box wrote:congrats goons. good exploitation is good.
I wouldn't toss the E word about so casually. . |
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