edit: can you get your A team guys out here? this B team stuff is just getting lazy

People who think this was not an exploit or at the very least a bug are kidding themselves. If left in-game it would be game breaking. With the amount the goons took from this (i'm actually not sure on this but from hearsay i think a lot) it may already be game breaking though we will have to wait and see if CCP takes no retroactive steps.

To be fair though should anyone receive any punishment? I think not, just based on how EVE represents itself and the activities it promotes, but anyone thinking an unlimited isk faucet is not a bug/ exploit or game breaking is kidding themselves. The isk made must be taken back, otherwise the inflation that will incur will ruin this game for new players.

People who think this was not an exploit or at the very least a bug are kidding themselves. If left in-game it would be game breaking. With the amount the goons took from this (i'm actually not sure on this but from hearsay i think a lot) it may already be game breaking though we will have to wait and see if CCP takes no retroactive steps.

To be fair though should anyone receive any punishment? I think not, just based on how EVE represents itself and the activities it promotes, but anyone thinking an unlimited isk faucet is not a bug/ exploit or game breaking is kidding themselves. The isk made must be taken back, otherwise the inflation that will incur will ruin this game for new players.

I wouldn't be an exploit if you had done it either. This seems to be the point your tinfoil hat is hiding from you.

The 'don't do it anymore' is the basic format that has been used through the years to let people know something is an exploit.

Is this hard to understand?

It WAS NOT and exploit, til he said that.

Ofc, CCP has been known to play underhanded on things like this before, wouldn't surprise me if they did it again. Especially since Sreegs is a former goon CEO who kinda has to be seen making an anti-goon stand or take huge flak for cheating to help his alliance, even tho he is not stupid enough to risk his job doing so.

People who think this was not an exploit or at the very least a bug are kidding themselves. If left in-game it would be game breaking. With the amount the goons took from this (i'm actually not sure on this but from hearsay i think a lot) it may already be game breaking though we will have to wait and see if CCP takes no retroactive steps.

To be fair though should anyone receive any punishment? I think not, just based on how EVE represents itself and the activities it promotes, but anyone thinking an unlimited isk faucet is not a bug/ exploit or game breaking is kidding themselves. The isk made must be taken back, otherwise the inflation that will incur will ruin this game for new players.

iirc, there is around 300 Trillion isk in EVE circulation. This was 5 trillion, or just over 1% of the total value of the game.

That should give some perspective on whether or not this is significant.

Oh, and there are people with considerably more than 1% of the total isk in EVE in their wallet, like Chribba. Is he breaking the game?

Well no. When I blow up an enemy BC and get LP for market value for his items that isn't an exploit.

However gaming the market to inflate values of items, then blowing up ships I filled full of the items I just inflated the values of to produce ungodly LP payouts.... that might be an exploit.

This seems to be the point your goonwashed brain is hiding from you.

People who think this was not an exploit or at the very least a bug are kidding themselves. If left in-game it would be game breaking.

The isk made must be taken back, otherwise the inflation that will incur will ruin this game for new players.

Well no. When I blow up an enemy BC and get LP for market value for his items that isn't an exploit.

However gaming the market to inflate values of items, then blowing up ships I filled full of the items I just inflated the values of to produce ungodly LP payouts.... that might be an exploit.

This seems to be the point your goonwashed brain is hiding from you.

This was deflationary. ISK was removed from the system.

Well, that's it for me. You are a joke, CCP. There really is no point in playing a game that can be won by the person who has the most money to buy PLEX and turn it into ISK (I might as well play RL). But when incompetent programming and logic causes **** like this to repeatedly happen, **** it. No point.

Oh, and CCP, quit calling your joke a 'sandbox'. It MAY be a sandbox relative to other games out there, but a TRUE sandbox is a game where ONLY the physics of the universe is programmed into it. So to call this game a sandbox is a serious fail.. much like your programming!

Bye New Eden

To my knowledge gaming the market to inflate the value of specific items isn't an exploit either... nor is blowing up your own ships.

This isn't as cut and dried as it may seem at first blush.

The EULA wasn't violated.

truth, it's why i joined the game.

Well, that's it for me. You are a joke, CCP. There really is no point in playing a game that can be won by the person who has the most money to buy PLEX and turn it into ISK (I might as well play RL). But when incompetent programming and logic causes **** like this to repeatedly happen, **** it. No point.

Oh, and CCP, quit calling your joke a 'sandbox'. It MAY be a sandbox relative to other games out there, but a TRUE sandbox is a game where ONLY the physics of the universe is programmed into it. So to call this game a sandbox is a serious fail.. much like your programming!

Bye New Eden

No. Because Chribba didn't exploit the game to get his.

How about the scope of the LP/LP items gained vs the current market supply. The impact on hundreds if not thousands of missioners LP who actually played the game the way it's intended. Might that be worth discussing?

Or are they to be ignored because they aren't cool and edgy trying to figure out ways to violate the EULA everyday?

However gaming the market to inflate values of items

then blowing up ships

to produce ungodly LP payouts

This seems to be the point your goonwashed brain is hiding from you.

I don't know much about him, other than a bit of his history. I just didn't wanna look like an ******* by accusing him of going f***goons if he was still of relatively friendly terms

iirc, there is around 300 Trillion isk in EVE circulation. This was 5 trillion, or just over 1% of the total value of the game.

That should give some perspective on whether or not this is significant.

Oh, and there are people with considerably more than 1% of the total isk in EVE in their wallet, like Chribba. Is he breaking the game?

I keep waiting for PA to explain how you can design a system specifically to work in a way other than intended.

This isn't as cut and dried as it may seem at first blush.

No, but when you put the two together all of a sudden you have CCP releasing security statements.

You can't really spin the illegitimacy by pointing out the simple seemingly legit stepstaken to get there.

No one issues security statements when I shoot a blue or kill a war target because I was playing the game, not finding exploits.

5 trillion (if that is the real number) made by ill-gotten means in a short period of time. It has taken EVE 9 years to accumulate 300 trillion in circulation, you just added 5 trillion in less than a month by only a select few. Using a system not as intended.
I'm sure that adding 1% of eves total wealth in such a short time to 1 alliance (the best troll alliance as well) and a select few will not have any negative affects at all...

Not sure why i'm discussing this as the money will soon be back in CCP's hands, if they don't it makes a for a very bad precedent, and will only further the goon/ccp conspiracies.

Not an exploit.

Not an exploit.

This is the system working as designed. It's a bad design, much like titans are wrt tracking, neutral logi alts, POS bowling, carriers filled with iterons stuffed full of stuff etc etc etc, and it's a design CCP is going to change.

While you seem to have given in fully to your goon hate.

If anything, I think he goes extra hard on us to avoid the appearance of favoritism. At least that is what I tell myself when staring at 25b hole in my wallet.