If CCP in a fit of insanity modified the bounty system so that the payout for a bounty was doubled if the target was a war target of yours, and so you start a war with one of your own alts and energetically start doubling your money by setting bounties and blowing him up repeatedly, you are not exploiting the system.

All you would be doing is making legitimate use of a very poorly thought out game mechanic.

I wonder if the EULA mentions anything about cheating NPC...which is what happened in this case. The same could theoretically be done with insurance, be it that those are based on mineral value and that is not a small market you can over time just set the price without anyone noticing it.

Just like we wait for jade to tell us how LP create isk?

oooo.... I see a way to finally make use of the EAS.

You should quote that TOS part completely:

The important part is "bug". This relate to exploiting "bugs". Poorly designed mechanism are not bugs.

5 trillion (if that is the real number) made by ill-gotten means in a short period of time. It has taken EVE 9 years to accumulate 300 trillion in circulation, you just added 5 trillion in less than a month by only a select few. Using a system not as intended.
I'm sure that adding 1% of eves total wealth in such a short time to 1 alliance (the best troll alliance as well) and a select few will not have any negative affects at all...

Not sure why i'm discussing this as the money will soon be back in CCP's hands, if they don't it makes a for a very bad precedent, and will only further the goon/ccp conspiracies.

Keep telling yourself that B team.

You will need to link me to the post where I said that.

It was done with insurance for months in the past. Insurance Fraud on a huge scale occurred for many months when mineral prices were lower than CCP payouts. So there is definitely some precedent for this.

No. but you are on the right track of thinking. this is what i think should happen
1> all those in the FW get the isk remoced from their wallet whether they gave it to another toon or corp or alliance.
2> all isk given to a toon, Corp, or alliance wallet is also removed charging a fine to doubling the amount.
3> all those in the FW are 30 day ban including any alt accounts that they may have
4> All those behind the planning are 30 day ban
5> all those who supported this are 60day bans.

With this here ALL the GOONs and their pets would be banned in this for a minimum of 30days and will return to negative wallets. well hopefully negative wallets and their space claimed by someone else. xDeath would have new space then

Lol, that sounds pretty exploity to me.

Do that for 12 hrs, rake in a few hundred billion and then sit back and talk about how legit it all was until you log in with a negative wallet balance. You wouldn't be the first.

Plenty more people will be disgusted by being cheated out and some of those will leave. I cant see your case as an argument to support scamming NPC and thereby making many other efforts in EVE pointless!

You will need to link me to the post where I said that.

Initially that is exactly what was happening though ...

To repeat. When you kill a ship in faction warfare (belonging to the enemy faction) you get loyalty points awarded equal to the value of the ship + cargo. These freighters that were being killed on alts were awarding loyalty point payouts (for the kill) that also counted in the cargo that had dropped in space (and thus could be added to a future kill and payout). That really is double counting and is creating (if not isk) then loyalty points that can be turned into isk (from thin air.)

That (as I understand it) was the bug that got fixed early, but I didn't see any note in the op post suggesting that LP has been removed from the game - its even referred to as "seed" (or foundation) LP for the continuing scheme.

"If I keep pointing out the simple steps taken to perform teh exploit it will magically not be an exploit anymore."

No. Because Chribba didn't exploit the game to get his.

How about the scope of the LP/LP items gained vs the current market supply. The impact on hundreds if not thousands of missioners LP who actually played the game the way it's intended. Might that be worth discussing?

Or are they to be ignored because they aren't cool and edgy trying to figure out ways to violate the EULA everyday?

Heh. More insults. Weak.

So, since you claim the EULA was violated, can you point out where? Because all I've seen are legal game mechanics working as designed, and auxilliary tools which CCP have specifically allowed.

It was done with insurance for months in the past. Insurance Fraud on a huge scale occurred for many months when mineral prices were lower than CCP payouts. So there is definitely some precedent for this.

If we'd gone out of our way to purposefully and maliciously crash the LP markets - which we easily could have - you might have something to talk about here.

As it is, implants and whatnot are just as valuable as ever. We have a delicate touch.

The part where it states you can't use the legal game mechanics in a way to give you unintended gains over other players.

That part.

We'll see what CCP says over what exactly was intended, but based on what they've said already it's not looking good for your side of the argument.

Until then, your side will continue to insist it's legitimacy pointing out how different it is from other exploits while at the same time insisting CCP won't take the stuff back because of how they handled other exploits that were like theirs. I mean completely different from theirs. Or something.

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Learn to edit.

The part where it states you can't use the legal game mechanics in a way to give you unintended gains over other players.

Tell us more about how loyalty points can be turned into isk from thin air.

I also do not quite understand in general, what Goons do with their ISKs. We not know, how much money Goons really made out of FW shop manipulations. We do know exactly, they sit on a monopol of Tech. Surprisingly we do not see any of this ISK. Goons still fly the same crappy fleet set ups like a few months ago, while other alliances fly t3 and have still way more Supercapitals. Others also have of course ship reimbursement programs. In other words, the wealth does not reach the average Goon. Where is that money?

I think you need to read better.