It cost the dude I scammed $70.

Sure...

The alternative was paying them $70 myself, so pass?

I'll give you a bit of advice after hearing the experiences of female players in Eve online; Don't let it be known you are one.

JuShould be rather easy to tell apart a femal voice from a male one, even though there is a fair chance of some dude using software to immitate a female voice to get certain 'advantages'.

Congratulations you did the first step to become spacerich. Now all you have to do is wait for stalkers to send you hundreds of billions for no reason whatsoever. If ya wanna speed this process up a little you could create lets say a blog or a videochannel.

Just in case this is serious, all you have to do ingame is join corps and talk to people. Should be rather easy to tell apart a femal voice from a male one, even though there is a fair chance of some dude using software to immitate a female voice to get certain 'advantages'.

I'm pretty sure they have a private channel for "confirmed" women.

Player Gender/Military Confirmation Test, Question 1 (of 1)

Q. Fill in the blank. "That ____ over there is named Jane. She is a ____ gamer."

a. female, female
b. woman, womanwomyn, womyn
c. woman, female

--

If A is selected, the respondent is a male veteran. If B is selected, the respondent is female. If C is selected, the respondent is male.

This is kind of a thing I don't get. I'm a female gamer myself, but I have never had intentions in demanding special treatment because I'm a woman. Sure, on my second day on EVE I got a small donation from a corpmate who heard me speaking in comms, but it made me feel rather difficult. Perhaps he gave that ISK because I was a newbie, who knows.

If I wanted to become known, liked, respected or whatever in the game, among my corpmates, alliance or coalition, I want to achieve it through what I do in the game and how I act. Not because of my gender.

I know that there are at least 4 confirmed girls in TEST.

One of them is our military director, Skymistress Beffah

Then here's Euphorion's space-wife Kate

Then Nystrik, Rifter FC of our hearts.

There's also one that speaks occasionally during fleets that I don't know.

That said there really are no girls on the internet

(How would I really accomplish that, anyway?

/shrug

My sister plays Eve.

Teamspeak, maybe?

Anyway there are _some_ females that play EVE but not many. Good luck with your quest.

I am an active RL girl player. Please send me pictures of you so that I may compare them to my own female self.

This will result in two lonely male perverts exchanging pictures they have skimmed from random unsuspecting people's facebook pages.

I know, I'm not really a girl, etc... Whatever. I am. I don't care to prove it to you. (How would I really accomplish that, anyway?)

/shrug

Are there any other chick-in-real-life players out there? I hear this game is mostly dudes.

See, a man would never log on to a women's forum and go "Hey, any other male gamers out there? ".

I know one that uses a male avatar, to avoid being harassed/stalked.

Teamspeak isn't completely viable btw, hard to tell if it's a female or a prepubescent boy with a high voice.

If you can't tell the difference between a mature female and a prepubescent boy, you need to get your hearing checked.

My fiancee plays Eve.

Now, be fair, some prepubescent boys can sound like really annoying girls. Or the other way round. It's just best to beat them at a video game repeatedly. If they question your sexuality and your mother's integrity, they're a prepubescent boy. If they scream down the voice chat and you suddenly see them disconnect, it's a girl and her PMS has just put her high-heels through her PC.

I am a girl gamer, and people hate me.
So if you are a girl gamer than keep it under wraps because people tend to get butthurt when you're better at everything than they are.

Exactly the opposite: If ure a girl and better than the boys, be proud of it and DO NOT keep it under the wraps just to make epeen boys butthurt.

I am a girl gamer, and people hate me.
So if you are a girl gamer than keep it under wraps because people tend to get butthurt when you're better at everything than they are.

I am a girl gamer, and people hate me.
So if you are a girl gamer than keep it under wraps because people tend to get butthurt when you're better at everything than they are.

Uhuuh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGmegh8PUAs

Uhuuh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGmegh8PUAs

omfg

wtf is wrong with those people lying about their gender.

What is with these people being taken in by the liars and then trying to look like the "good guy" in order to get in with said fake girls?

I know, I'm not really a girl, etc... Whatever. I am. I don't care to prove it to you. (How would I really accomplish that, anyway?)

/shrug

Are there any other chick-in-real-life players out there? I hear this game is mostly dudes.

No one really cares, as long as you are good at playing EVE.

What you're biological sex is have little to no bearing on EVE.

Player Gender/Military Confirmation Test, Question 1 (of 1)

Q. Fill in the blank. "That ____ over there is named Jane. She is a ____ gamer."

a. female, female
b. woman, woman
c. woman, female

--

If A is selected, the respondent is a male veteran. If B is selected, the respondent is female. If C is selected, the respondent is male.

But it's the topic of this thread, dude.

I'm not sure... I'm a girl/female/woman and I didn't know the "correct" answer

Do any REAL Men play EVE ?

I'm not sure... I'm a girl/female/woman and I didn't know the "correct" answer

I know, I'm not really a girl, etc... Whatever. I am. I don't care to prove it to you. (How would I really accomplish that, anyway?)

/shrug

Are there any other chick-in-real-life players out there? I hear this game is mostly dudes.

My cat plays EVE, Heard it was the best sandbox to be in.... oh wait

Do any REAL Men play EVE ?

Player Gender/Military Confirmation Test, Question 1 (of 1)

Q. Fill in the blank. "That ____ over there is named Jane. She is a ____ gamer."

a. female, female
b. woman, woman
c. woman, female

--

If A is selected, the respondent is a male veteran. If B is selected, the respondent is female. If C is selected, the respondent is male.

Yup.

Have to say the overwhelming testosterone drippiness in this game is good for a laugh. As this thread proves.

So many lonely boys.

Welcome. And as other suggested, check out the WGoE channel.

Also teach them carebear guys how the game is played. And leave my Veldspar alone

/c

I believe Xenuria is one of those attempting to redefine the word "gender" to actually mean "gender role" or "gender identity". The original definition of "gender" meant the same as the noun "sex" and when most people hear the word that's what they think. Often such a discussion becomes hyper-literal, and those with a common understanding of the language are accused (implicitly or explicitly) of intolerance. In truth the language is being deliberately blurred.

It is my understanding that Xenuria chooses to identify with the societal gender role typically associated with a woman, while not actually being one genetically. That is a choice.

I find the language engineering annoying however. It is often done to seek a confrontation, implicitly assigning roles of victim and offender. That's not a good way to have reasonable discussion about any matter, but, yes, that's just my opinion.

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When you say Gender "meant" the same as the noun "sex", do you also realize how this exposes a fatal flaw in your argument?
Homosexuality used to be in the DSM and "meant" that somebody was psychologically ill and sexually deviant. Your entire argument rests on the idea that just because something "was" that it "is" or still should be. When I talk about gender and topics related to that I am not on a mission to get people to argue or get upset. The goal is to enlighten and discuss things in a civilized fashion.

I am female, my Identification indicates that I am Female and where I live there exist no laws against being Female.
I am not attempting to redefine anything, I am pointing out that you are incorrect and either trying to troll or simply lack a proper education on the subject matter.

Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

I know, I'm not really a girl, etc... Whatever. I am. I don't care to prove it to you. (How would I really accomplish that, anyway?)

/shrug

Are there any other chick-in-real-life players out there? I hear this game is mostly dudes.

Hmm, I responded d. person, [insert space].

The result being "That person over there is named Jane. She is a gamer."

What does that make me?

I thought Xenuria was a pedophile, now he's saying he is a woman.

Dudes got some issues.

I will if you stop trying to turn yourself into something you're not.

Player Gender/Military Confirmation Test, Question 1 (of 1)

Q. Fill in the blank. "That ____ over there is named Jane. She is a ____ gamer."

a. female, female
b. woman, woman
c. woman, female

--

If A is selected, the respondent is a male veteran. If B is selected, the respondent is female. If C is selected, the respondent is male.

Facepalm...


Pro Tip: My Gender is Female, you just defined what female is in the context of biological sex.
I really don't think you should post in this thread anymore. So far you have done nothing but get egg on your face and offend people.

Do you really mean to say that I should stop being something I am because it makes you feel uncomfortable?

I admit to great confusion and even incomprehension of transgenderism. (Is that a word? Probably not.)

Choosing to live life as a gender that is the opposite of one's genetics seems to fly in the face of self actualization.

As to the blurring and confusion regarding the word "female," the English language does not have a word that means "gender-female-but-biological-male.'

Definitions of female are readily accessible to all, so I won't repeat one here. So, working under the assumption that the OP is a member of the (supposedly) "normal" majority, it is implied that the standard definition of female was used in the title.

Following this, I'm not sure that Noriko Satomi should be dissuaded from posting in this thread.

Definitely a woman and been to fanfest 2012.

I admit to great confusion and even incomprehension of transgenderism. (Is that a word? Probably not.)

Choosing to live life as a gender that is the opposite of one's genetics seems to fly in the face of self actualization.

As to the blurring and confusion regarding the word "female," the English language does not have a word that means "gender-female-but-biological-male.'

Definitions of female are readily accessible to all, so I won't repeat one here. So, working under the assumption that the OP is a member of the (supposedly) "normal" majority, it is implied that the standard definition of female was used in the title.

Following this, I'm not sure that Noriko Satomi should be dissuaded from posting in this thread.

Player Gender/Military Confirmation Test, Question 1 (of 1)

Q. Fill in the blank. "That ____ over there is named Jane. She is a ____ gamer."

a. female, female
b. woman, woman
c. woman, female

--

If A is selected, the respondent is a male veteran. If B is selected, the respondent is female. If C is selected, the respondent is male.

I admit to great confusion and even incomprehension of transgenderism. (Is that a word? Probably not.)

Choosing to live life as a gender that is the opposite of one's genetics seems to fly in the face of self actualization.

I'm not sure... I'm a girl/female/woman and I didn't know the "correct" answer

Congratulations you did the first step to become spacerich. Now all you have to do is wait for stalkers to send you hundreds of billions for no reason whatsoever. If ya wanna speed this process up a little you could create lets say a blog or a videochannel.

Just in case this is serious, all you have to do ingame is join corps and talk to people. Should be rather easy to tell apart a femal voice from a male one, even though there is a fair chance of some dude using software to immitate a female voice to get certain 'advantages'.

Do you really mean to say that I should stop being something I am because it makes you feel uncomfortable?

It seems to me that you are confused about self-actualization too ;)

Sex and gender are separate concepts, as is identity. Self actualisation is when you pursue identity beyond the basic needs of food and shelter.

Pretty much, What you're biological sex is have little to no bearing on EVE. Gender is also not all that important unless you are talking about a RP context and the individual is assuming a gender or ilk form of identity in order to better play the part.

Player Gender/Military Confirmation Test, Question 1 (of 1)

Q. Fill in the blank. "That ____ over there is named Jane. She is a ____ gamer."

a. female, female
b. woman, woman
c. woman, female

--

If A is selected, the respondent is a male veteran. If B is selected, the respondent is female. If C is selected, the respondent is male.

I was going to go but I had college, I am probably going to go in 2013 though.

FTFY

Oh, I finally figured out what's behind the door of my CQ. It's the god damn kitchen.

I am an active RL girl player. Please send me pictures of you so that I may compare them to my own female self.

I believe Xenuria is one of those attempting to redefine the word "gender" to actually mean "gender role" or "gender identity". The original definition of "gender" meant the same as the noun "sex" and when most people hear the word that's what they think. Often such a discussion becomes hyper-literal, and those with a common understanding of the language are accused (implicitly or explicitly) of intolerance. In truth the language is being deliberately blurred.

It is my understanding that Xenuria chooses to identify with the societal gender role typically associated with a woman, while not actually being one genetically. That is a choice.

I find the language engineering annoying however. It is often done to seek a confrontation, implicitly assigning roles of victim and offender. That's not a good way to have reasonable discussion about any matter, but, yes, that's just my opinion.

Confirming that the OP is female in real life.

Also confirming that the OP has a great rack.

I used to play a game called Dark age of Camelot. Very heavy PvP game

One of the most elite PvP squads was led by a woman. I had the pleasure of running with them until I made some awkward joke in voice chat about our in game characters marrying each other. Then I was never grouped again.

Her name was Echoic and the guild was Bedlam.

Ho, because this is a man's forum?

Didn't knew that

Confirming that the OP is female in real life.

Also confirming that the OP has a great rack.

I am a girl gamer, and people hate me.
So if you are a girl gamer than keep it under wraps because people tend to get butthurt when you're better at everything than they are.

i'm a girl

I am a girl gamer,

I am female, my Identification indicates that I am Female and where I live there exist no laws against being Female.

I am a girl gamer, and people hate me.
So if you are a girl gamer than keep it under wraps because people tend to get butthurt when you're better at everything than they are.

Don't guys that play girls irl get butthurt too?

Roughly once a month, in sync with their corpmates

NO U

I am of the breasted persuasion and I approve of this post.

I also look like my avatar.

i'm a girl

The reason why RL females in this game get so much attention, free **** and money from all the dudes is because most of the dudes in Eve are virgin unemployed basement dwellers that have never / will never see(n) *****, so every time they interact with a female online it's like they discovered the meaning of life or something.

Pretty pathetic if you ask me, I know many women in this game but you won't ever see me give them special treatment just because they are women.

Hell, I make my girl change skills for me and mine and manage my market orders and contracts when I am gone from Eve for a long time.

****'s whack.

This guy is one of them ^^

For what I see very few, specially in high sec

I haven't read all 8 pages...

... Has anyone mentioned the photos of Mintchip yet?

I admit to great confusion and even incomprehension of transgenderism. (Is that a word? Probably not.)

Choosing...

Havent read all 8 either but I presume not, shes an attention ***** anyways and her **** are crappy

My fiancee plays Eve.

im a girl gamer xd

lets talk about ...

Misogyny at its best, because any woman who puts herself out there to express an opinion is instantly labeled an attention *****. Heaven forbid a woman embrace and promote her sexuality to anywhere near the extent men do, lest they be branded whores and sluts and shamed into submission.

The abuse, small minded attacks, and hatred lobbied towards Mint are a disgrace to gamers everywhere. It comes from people who've never met her, or ever bothered to talk to her, yet because she puts herself out there, you feel it justifiable to attack her appearance, as if that was at all relevant to her opinions, or relevance.

Why not debate her opinions, if you have the testicular fortitude, rather than bash her appearance, or does trying to match a female intellect scare you?

That said there really are no girls on the internet

This is why you are confused. Trans people have no more choice than gays, lesbians, bisexuals, or anyone else in the GLBT spectrum.

How often do 'guy gamers' make threads asking about how many other guy gamers there are?

How often do 'guy gamers' make threads asking about how many other guy gamers there are?

Who gives a ****?

This thread is clear attention whoring and your crocodile tears fool no one. You're not a martyr for anything, neither is any other girl who acts like being a girl who plays a videogame makes her somehow better than the multitudes of other people who play the game. It would be best to remind yourself that if you want true equality, what you have between your legs doesn't make you special or somehow more desirable than anyone else who has the same hobby as you. Hence the thread is clearly attention whoring.

Wait, what?
Did I not just say "I admit to great confusion and even incomprehension . . .?"
Your quote and retort serve what purpose?

If the ratio of guys in EVE was 5% I bet you dollars to dough nuts there would be a guys only channel. The point isn't gender its minority marginalization. Any subculture naturally binds together to form a safe space where like minds can congregate and relax. You see this in real life as well as eve. This thread, is asking about that subculture.

I don't know what you're talking about in terms of martyrdom. No one in this thread expressed the idea that girls were some how better or more deserving than men are of any thing. The point I made, is that the bullshit thrown at Mint, is unjustified and childish misogynistic behavior lobbied out by little boys afraid of a woman not scared of them.

All of these "doesn't make you special" comments, just serve to show your underlying bias and opinions, that no one really asked for. No one said women are better, or more deserving of attention. You're attacking a position no one is holding.

To further illustrate this, for comparison, if a Latino person came on the boards, asking for a latino based corp or chat channel, would you call the person an attention *****? What if the person was Asian, or African. What if they were anti-establishment, or politically liberal? Do they then get the right to form a justifiable sub-culture without being attention whores, or is it just women.

If the ratio of guys in EVE was 5% I bet you dollars to dough nuts there would be a guys only channel. The point isn't gender its minority marginalization. Any subculture naturally binds together to form a safe space where like minds can congregate and relax. You see this in real life as well as eve. This thread, is asking about that subculture.

I don't know what you're talking about in terms of martyrdom. No one in this thread expressed the idea that girls were some how better or more deserving than men are of any thing. The point I made, is that the bullshit thrown at Mint, is unjustified and childish misogynistic behavior lobbied out by little boys afraid of a woman not scared of them.

All of these "doesn't make you special" comments, just serve to show your underlying bias and opinions, that no one really asked for. No one said women are better, or more deserving of attention. You're attacking a position no one is holding.

To further illustrate this, for comparison, if a Latino person came on the boards, asking for a latino based corp or chat channel, would you call the person an attention *****? What if the person was Asian, or African. What if they were anti-establishment, or politically liberal? Do they then get the right to form a justifiable sub-culture without being attention whores, or is it just women.



It serves to address your confusion.

It serves to address your confusion.

And who asked for your gender in the first place?

How can you claim the high ground when, after presenting your own gender in terms of wanted to be congratulated or given attention for it, are ridiculed and made fun of? Why join a game where the majority basis is men and then come out with the fact that, of no relation to the game itself, you are in fact a female, and then say you demand no special respect for such a statement?

How is this in any way a logical thing to do?

How is this in any way a logical thing to do?

Hmm, sir, you seem to be mad at somebody for stating their gender.

How does her/his gender influence in any way shape or form how you play with them or what they do in eve online?

Are we not reflections of our characters when in game? Does having a ***** make me better at mining or pvp? Does having a vagina?

What is the reasoning for gender on the internet, and specifically gender inside of a video game where it simply does not matter?

When I ask these questions, the only way you can possibly come to a logical conclusion, is the innate desire for attention that a female has - I'm not faulting her on this - I'm simply confused why, when met with such hostility when bringing it up every time, women like this continue to use video games as an outlet beyond having fun. What's the point of getting attention from other people playing video games based entirely on the fact of your gender?

If the ratio of guys in EVE was 5% I bet you dollars to dough nuts there would be a guys only channel. The point isn't gender its minority marginalization. Any subculture naturally binds together to form a safe space where like minds can congregate and relax. You see this in real life as well as eve. This thread, is asking about that subculture.

How does her/his gender influence in any way shape or form how you play with them or what they do in eve online?

Are we not reflections of our characters when in game? Does having a ***** make me better at mining or pvp? Does having a vagina?

What is the reasoning for gender on the internet, and specifically gender inside of a video game where it simply does not matter?

When I ask these questions, the only way you can possibly come to a logical conclusion, is the innate desire for attention that a female has - I'm not faulting her on this - I'm simply confused why, when met with such hostility when bringing it up every time, women like this continue to use video games as an outlet beyond having fun. What's the point of getting attention from other people playing video games based entirely on the fact of your gender?

Gave you a like for this link.

This is why you are confused. Trans people have no more choice than gays, lesbians, bisexuals, or anyone else in the GLBT spectrum.




Misogyny at its best, because any woman who puts herself out there to express an opinion is instantly labeled an attention *****. Heaven forbid a woman embrace and promote her sexuality to anywhere near the extent men do, lest they be branded whores and sluts and shamed into submission.

The abuse, small minded attacks, and hatred lobbied towards Mint are a disgrace to gamers everywhere. It comes from people who've never met her, or ever bothered to talk to her, yet because she puts herself out there, you feel it justifiable to attack her appearance, as if that was at all relevant to her opinions, or relevance.

Why not debate her opinions, if you have the testicular fortitude, rather than bash her appearance, or does trying to match a female intellect scare you?

There is a group called Women Gamers of Eve (WGoE) who have a community around this. Their public channel in game is "WGoE=public", and I'm pretty sure they have a private channel for "confirmed" women.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/WGoE

Hey look, I'm a guy with a male character, now lets talk about all those guy's who have a female character.
Why is that?

Yeah, I would love some pizza.

Fresh out bub! Why play female? Cause it bothers people and they make threads about it every so often.

Issue, Gamers are 90% male, and most are usually not very capable at dealing with the opposite sex.
Case in point, Girl speaks up on Fleet comms, and suddenly half the fleet is more interested in hearing her talk dirty, than fighting the fight.....Fleet comms go to hell, people die....and the kids are still trying to make a female friend....


Immaturity seems to be something that many gamers never grow out of....

It's actually GIFT (Greater Internet ******* Theory). A close friend of mine john suler basically wrote the book on it.

Exactly the opposite: If ure a girl and better than the boys, be proud of it and DO NOT keep it under the wraps just to make epeen boys butthurt.

Xenuria isn't a girl.

Says you, a known forum troll.

Us girls dont play eve.... dont be silly...

Misogyny is the dislike or hatred of females. I would say most male players in this game are not active haters of females, so misogyny is an improper term.

We make fun of EVERYONE, men are immature little turd monkeys that fling keyboard poo at everyone they see.. even our best friends.

You Are Not Special. Your Vagina Does Not Make You Special. Get Over It.


p.s. no girls in eve, pretty sure mintchip is bailey jay's brother.

yep Cad .. today i cooking chocolate cake !

[snip]
One does not need to be an active hater to be a misogynist.

Just because you don't go out burning crosses, doesn't mean you aren't a racists either.

Actually one does have to be an "active hater" of women to be a misogynist, that's what the word means.

Someone can display a particular bias against women and not be a misogynist. The spectrum of bias against women and misogynistic behavior do overlap, but they are not the same thing.

Weren't there like two females on the CSM? Didn't one of them cause drama by throwing a spoon at a goon or something?

Weren't there like two females on the CSM? Didn't one of them cause drama by throwing a spoon at a goon or something?

As does the word Racist, but the point I originally made remains valid. If you want to adjust the term to "passive" racism or institutionalized Racism, that works as well, but the root cause and motivation remains the same.

This applies to hatred of women, just as much as it applies to hatred of other races or sexualities.

One does not need to be an active hater to be a misogynist.

Just because you don't go out burning crosses, doesn't mean you aren't a racists either.

And another thing. Why do people who are (hopefully) well past there twenties refer to themselves as boys and girls. News flash guys, we're not in kindergarten anymore. Most of us are men and women.

I encounter the same problem in real life when adult men refer to other people (the same age) as kids.