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DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:57:00 - [1] Or do we? At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. It calls my masculinity into question you know Anyway, Ive noticed that amongst my friends, I can get the non gaming girls to play anything as long as they can change their clothes / appearance. Now, our avatars are a very small part of this game. To make it appeal to a greater number of women however I feel that great success can be had allowing ship skin customizations. Principally this would allow at a minimum a recoloring of certain elements. Ala the two color scheme of homeworld. I would appreciate a black throax, with gold trim. Or perhaps a bright pink thorax. With hot pink trim. The possibilities there are endless. Thing Homeworld 2. Then, a set of decals that we can paint onto our ships at specific spots. ala nfsu. What pirate is going to be taken seriously without a priminent skull and crossbones somewhere on their ship??? Then, well, we already have ships with gund modelled on the outside. Ranges of accessory modules that do absolutely nothing, other than change the outline of the ship a bit. I want to strap neon lights to the underside of my thorax, put on bigger exhaust manifolds, perhaps a large rear spoiler. When my thorax cruises past, other pilots will not have a doubts left as to the personality of its pilot! Do it! for me. for the women. do it now!
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:57:00 - [2] Or do we? At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. It calls my masculinity into question you know Anyway, Ive noticed that amongst my friends, I can get the non gaming girls to play anything as long as they can change their clothes / appearance. Now, our avatars are a very small part of this game. To make it appeal to a greater number of women however I feel that great success can be had allowing ship skin customizations. Principally this would allow at a minimum a recoloring of certain elements. Ala the two color scheme of homeworld. I would appreciate a black throax, with gold trim. Or perhaps a bright pink thorax. With hot pink trim. The possibilities there are endless. Thing Homeworld 2. Then, a set of decals that we can paint onto our ships at specific spots. ala nfsu. What pirate is going to be taken seriously without a priminent skull and crossbones somewhere on their ship??? Then, well, we already have ships with gund modelled on the outside. Ranges of accessory modules that do absolutely nothing, other than change the outline of the ship a bit. I want to strap neon lights to the underside of my thorax, put on bigger exhaust manifolds, perhaps a large rear spoiler. When my thorax cruises past, other pilots will not have a doubts left as to the personality of its pilot! Do it! for me. for the women. do it now!
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:05:00 - [3] hmm maybe bright pink with large yellow spots? Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:05:00 - [4] hmm maybe bright pink with large yellow spots? Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:10:00 - [5] Being able to paint my ship wouldn't make me want to play a game any more or less, and tbh I don't think that ship customisation is going to be a key factor in more women playing a game. Sociability and using their brains, yes. Slapping some paint and being able to fly around in a pink Thorax (haha, god... ok no comment), no. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:10:00 - [6] Being able to paint my ship wouldn't make me want to play a game any more or less, and tbh I don't think that ship customisation is going to be a key factor in more women playing a game. Sociability and using their brains, yes. Slapping some paint and being able to fly around in a pink Thorax (haha, god... ok no comment), no. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:11:00 - [7] not even a Gucci Thorax? Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:11:00 - [8] not even a Gucci Thorax? Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:14:00 - [9] Nope. Pretty additions and the ability to customise how my equipment looks doesn't appeal to me personally tbh. My DAoC character has been running around in plain black armour and unmodded weapons for over a year. I'd rather have impressive abilities and be able to wtfpwn someone nicely than be able to make myself look good. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:14:00 - [10] Nope. Pretty additions and the ability to customise how my equipment looks doesn't appeal to me personally tbh. My DAoC character has been running around in plain black armour and unmodded weapons for over a year. I'd rather have impressive abilities and be able to wtfpwn someone nicely than be able to make myself look good. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥

DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Rinny Wee Nope. Pretty additions and the ability to customise how my equipment looks doesn't appeal to me personally tbh. My DAoC character has been running around in plain black armour and unmodded weapons for over a year. I'd rather have impressive abilities and be able to wtfpwn someone nicely than be able to make myself look good. There are certainly exceptions to the rule. Well educated females who appreciate substance over style. And look hot to boot. Sadly, women like yourself are in the minority. Most appear to have spent their formative years playing barbie. So, while not all women need ... clothing choices for their characters... a lot do. And frankly, so do a lot of men. Even if they are too embarrased to admit it :P
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Rinny Wee Nope. Pretty additions and the ability to customise how my equipment looks doesn't appeal to me personally tbh. My DAoC character has been running around in plain black armour and unmodded weapons for over a year. I'd rather have impressive abilities and be able to wtfpwn someone nicely than be able to make myself look good. There are certainly exceptions to the rule. Well educated females who appreciate substance over style. And look hot to boot. Sadly, women like yourself are in the minority. Most appear to have spent their formative years playing barbie. So, while not all women need ... clothing choices for their characters... a lot do. And frankly, so do a lot of men. Even if they are too embarrased to admit it :P
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Hakera on 19/11/2004 13:40:45 the other thing ofc is I rarely look at ships, as Im too busy doing something like trying to blow them up and if I get more lag because I have to wait for the server to download that individual skin I wont be happy! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Hakera on 19/11/2004 13:40:45 the other thing ofc is I rarely look at ships, as Im too busy doing something like trying to blow them up and if I get more lag because I have to wait for the server to download that individual skin I wont be happy! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:37:00 - [15] I'm not so sure that playing with dolls as a kid has anything to do with it. Maybe it does. I dunno, I don't think I am qualified to discuss this as I had a BMX bike, played Voltron and used to throw stones at the girls. That said, I think there are many more women out there who do appreciate substance over being able to make something look hot. But we also need to take into account the whole gaming culture. Traditionally men (boys, whatever) are the ³ber gamers, whereas women are more casual. A game like EVE lends itself to a mroe immersive playing style, and something which does almost require a huge amount of time to dedicate to it. If you look at games which are more casual in their style, you will find that most of them are single-player games. In the MMOG genre, however, you will have casual gamers leaning towards games which don't require huge login times and an insane amount of player immersion (off the top of my head: Sims Online). Add onto all of this the fact that the casual gamer needs to be able to login and have FUN in the short amount of time they have to spare. This means that fast-actioned games and games with a higher level of social interraction will be more appealing. As opposed to a game like EVE where tactics, etc. are the highest requirements. I think you'll find that this is probably why a lot of EVE players are not necessarily power gamers, but the kinds of people who can dedicate the time to it. And consequently, men. Not saying that women have less time to spare than men, but the mentality of men vs. women is such that a man will be happy logging into a game and achieving something - even if it is a minute goal, which carries him on his way to achieving a larger goal. Women would me more inclined to login, have that quick burst of fun and interaction and then be able to log off and say "that was great". ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:37:00 - [16] I'm not so sure that playing with dolls as a kid has anything to do with it. Maybe it does. I dunno, I don't think I am qualified to discuss this as I had a BMX bike, played Voltron and used to throw stones at the girls. That said, I think there are many more women out there who do appreciate substance over being able to make something look hot. But we also need to take into account the whole gaming culture. Traditionally men (boys, whatever) are the ³ber gamers, whereas women are more casual. A game like EVE lends itself to a mroe immersive playing style, and something which does almost require a huge amount of time to dedicate to it. If you look at games which are more casual in their style, you will find that most of them are single-player games. In the MMOG genre, however, you will have casual gamers leaning towards games which don't require huge login times and an insane amount of player immersion (off the top of my head: Sims Online). Add onto all of this the fact that the casual gamer needs to be able to login and have FUN in the short amount of time they have to spare. This means that fast-actioned games and games with a higher level of social interraction will be more appealing. As opposed to a game like EVE where tactics, etc. are the highest requirements. I think you'll find that this is probably why a lot of EVE players are not necessarily power gamers, but the kinds of people who can dedicate the time to it. And consequently, men. Not saying that women have less time to spare than men, but the mentality of men vs. women is such that a man will be happy logging into a game and achieving something - even if it is a minute goal, which carries him on his way to achieving a larger goal. Women would me more inclined to login, have that quick burst of fun and interaction and then be able to log off and say "that was great". ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Rinny Wee a man will be happy logging into a game and achieving something - even if it is a minute goal, which carries him on his way to achieving a larger goal. Women would me more inclined to login, have that quick burst of fun and interaction and then be able to log off and say "that was great". So it's opposite to sex then? __________ Capacitor research
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Rinny Wee a man will be happy logging into a game and achieving something - even if it is a minute goal, which carries him on his way to achieving a larger goal. Women would me more inclined to login, have that quick burst of fun and interaction and then be able to log off and say "that was great". So it's opposite to sex then? __________ Capacitor research
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:45:00 - [19] Haha, I never thought it like that. Then again, how many gamers get some? Well, not me, of course. Uhm... yeah. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:45:00 - [20] Haha, I never thought it like that. Then again, how many gamers get some? Well, not me, of course. Uhm... yeah. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥

flummox	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Rinny Wee Haha, I never thought it like that. Then again, how many gamers get some? Well, not me, of course. Uhm... yeah. when i signed up, i had to agree to celibacy. it's wasn't really a needed sacrifice. ya can't miss something you don't have... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Rinny Wee Haha, I never thought it like that. Then again, how many gamers get some? Well, not me, of course. Uhm... yeah. when i signed up, i had to agree to celibacy. it's wasn't really a needed sacrifice. ya can't miss something you don't have... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:10:00 - [23] Originally by: DeFood At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. Plenty of women play EVE, it's just a lot of the time they don't tell you they're actually women, just for the reason you gave above. And seriously, who wants to chat up some woman, who's very likely a bloke, on the other side of the planet, when you have absolutely no idea what they're really like, in a bleedin' game? I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not.
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:10:00 - [24] Originally by: DeFood At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. Plenty of women play EVE, it's just a lot of the time they don't tell you they're actually women, just for the reason you gave above. And seriously, who wants to chat up some woman, who's very likely a bloke, on the other side of the planet, when you have absolutely no idea what they're really like, in a bleedin' game? I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not.
flummox	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Darkwolf I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not. agreed... it's not EVE: Blind Date. there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Darkwolf I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not. agreed... it's not EVE: Blind Date. there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Haratu	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Dust Puppy Originally by: Rinny Wee a man will be happy logging into a game and achieving something - even if it is a minute goal, which carries him on his way to achieving a larger goal. Women would me more inclined to login, have that quick burst of fun and interaction and then be able to log off and say "that was great". So it's opposite to sex then? Depends on the larger goal... But seriously... The pilot base reflects the society of pilots in the Eve universe. Interestingly Eve's future is such that society still puts men in higher and more well paid jobs than women. The truth is that women are biologically adapted for child rearing whereas men are developed to do the hunting. Of course this does not make one better than the other at it, but our biology puts us in a place where men have a greater attraction to adventure. If you dont believe me then read some literature, boys go on adventure while girls wonder who they are settling down with (generally speaking) if you dont believe me compare the audience of two movies... Predator and Bridget Jones. It is therefore hardly suprising that there are more men who fly as pilots (either real life or role play). Disclaimer: Sorry if I am disturbing anyone... There are always exceptions and have met many people who differ from the description above. i am merely relating what is readily observable... not everyone may like it, but it is there. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Dust Puppy Originally by: Rinny Wee a man will be happy logging into a game and achieving something - even if it is a minute goal, which carries him on his way to achieving a larger goal. Women would me more inclined to login, have that quick burst of fun and interaction and then be able to log off and say "that was great". So it's opposite to sex then? Depends on the larger goal... But seriously... The pilot base reflects the society of pilots in the Eve universe. Interestingly Eve's future is such that society still puts men in higher and more well paid jobs than women. The truth is that women are biologically adapted for child rearing whereas men are developed to do the hunting. Of course this does not make one better than the other at it, but our biology puts us in a place where men have a greater attraction to adventure. If you dont believe me then read some literature, boys go on adventure while girls wonder who they are settling down with (generally speaking) if you dont believe me compare the audience of two movies... Predator and Bridget Jones. It is therefore hardly suprising that there are more men who fly as pilots (either real life or role play). Disclaimer: Sorry if I am disturbing anyone... There are always exceptions and have met many people who differ from the description above. i am merely relating what is readily observable... not everyone may like it, but it is there. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:35:00 - [29] Well, despite CCP's claims and whatever we may be trying to fool ourselves with, EVE is all about the aquisition of that next cool ship and/or uber-leet module. If there's a real-life equivlant, I'd say it'd be souping you car and dreaming about a new one. Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. The simple fact is that female gamers outnumber male gamers, so EVE's just not attracting female gamers. It's not that they don't exist in sufficient numbers. -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:35:00 - [30] Well, despite CCP's claims and whatever we may be trying to fool ourselves with, EVE is all about the aquisition of that next cool ship and/or uber-leet module. If there's a real-life equivlant, I'd say it'd be souping you car and dreaming about a new one. Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. The simple fact is that female gamers outnumber male gamers, so EVE's just not attracting female gamers. It's not that they don't exist in sufficient numbers. -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */

Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Cortex Reaver The simple fact is that female gamers outnumber male gamers, so EVE's just not attracting female gamers. It's not that they don't exist in sufficient numbers. -CR Only if you rank Sims as a game. __________ Capacitor research
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Cortex Reaver The simple fact is that female gamers outnumber male gamers, so EVE's just not attracting female gamers. It's not that they don't exist in sufficient numbers. -CR Only if you rank Sims as a game. __________ Capacitor research
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:38:00 - [33] Originally by: DeFood Or do we? At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. It calls my masculinity into question you know Anyway, Ive noticed that amongst my friends, I can get the non gaming girls to play anything as long as they can change their clothes / appearance. Now, our avatars are a very small part of this game. To make it appeal to a greater number of women however I feel that great success can be had allowing ship skin customizations. Principally this would allow at a minimum a recoloring of certain elements. Ala the two color scheme of homeworld. I would appreciate a black throax, with gold trim. Or perhaps a bright pink thorax. With hot pink trim. The possibilities there are endless. Thing Homeworld 2. Then, a set of decals that we can paint onto our ships at specific spots. ala nfsu. What pirate is going to be taken seriously without a priminent skull and crossbones somewhere on their ship??? Then, well, we already have ships with gund modelled on the outside. Ranges of accessory modules that do absolutely nothing, other than change the outline of the ship a bit. I want to strap neon lights to the underside of my thorax, put on bigger exhaust manifolds, perhaps a large rear spoiler. When my thorax cruises past, other pilots will not have a doubts left as to the personality of its pilot! Do it! for me. for the women. do it now! Sign up with a dating agency. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:38:00 - [34] Originally by: DeFood Or do we? At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. It calls my masculinity into question you know Anyway, Ive noticed that amongst my friends, I can get the non gaming girls to play anything as long as they can change their clothes / appearance. Now, our avatars are a very small part of this game. To make it appeal to a greater number of women however I feel that great success can be had allowing ship skin customizations. Principally this would allow at a minimum a recoloring of certain elements. Ala the two color scheme of homeworld. I would appreciate a black throax, with gold trim. Or perhaps a bright pink thorax. With hot pink trim. The possibilities there are endless. Thing Homeworld 2. Then, a set of decals that we can paint onto our ships at specific spots. ala nfsu. What pirate is going to be taken seriously without a priminent skull and crossbones somewhere on their ship??? Then, well, we already have ships with gund modelled on the outside. Ranges of accessory modules that do absolutely nothing, other than change the outline of the ship a bit. I want to strap neon lights to the underside of my thorax, put on bigger exhaust manifolds, perhaps a large rear spoiler. When my thorax cruises past, other pilots will not have a doubts left as to the personality of its pilot! Do it! for me. for the women. do it now! Sign up with a dating agency. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Cortex Reaver Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. And usually don't like being referred to as "chicks". ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Cortex Reaver Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. And usually don't like being referred to as "chicks". ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Alpha Dangerous	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:42:00 - [37] Seems like Eve appeals mostly to my gearhead hotrod wannabe garage mechanic side. So being able to paint yer ship candy apple red with racing stripes and some flame decals and world war II style pic of naked stewardess on the side and getting it all chromed out and all that really don't seem like a chick thing to me. Personaly I'd skip all that to have ships show some wear and tear. I'd rather have bullet holes and scorch marks from lazfire than a new paintjob. But that's just me. I'm sure there's plenty of girls that this stuff appeals to the same way it appeals to guys, y'know, look at all those toothless big-hair hillbetty NASCAR women at the racetracks. Or look at those Star Trek nerds. Yah, I know, it's really hard to tell, but some of those are female, uh, I think. All we need to do is get some GUYS around here that don't seem like they either been huffing gasoline in the garage for the last few years or blind and slimey from being locked in their mother's basement and I'm sure Eve will attract some females. And I don't really feel like the sudden increase in cheeky emote spam we'd get (more from all the pitiful undersexed male nerd teenagers and 37 year old guys named Frank around here who'd be trying to get it on with each other than any actual woman) if they decided to change everything to make it more appealing to these completely imaginary frilly internet girl nerds (instead of making it more appealing to ME) would be that great of a trade off. Frank and the boys and all their emotes are ALREADY a big enough problem in this game heh. Anyways wiminsks are bad luck to have on a ship, din't you listen to nothin' PopEye the Sailor taught yas? That's really sad, man. Oh, but if we had a paperdoll that wasn't just a head, we could buy cool clothes, and uh, that'd be okay, because tt's not a doll, it's an ACTION FIGURE man! See? He has a gun! This is the tough guy macho stuff right here man! Hey guys... does this cargo expander make my butt look fat? giggles
Alpha Dangerous	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:42:00 - [38] Seems like Eve appeals mostly to my gearhead hotrod wannabe garage mechanic side. So being able to paint yer ship candy apple red with racing stripes and some flame decals and world war II style pic of naked stewardess on the side and getting it all chromed out and all that really don't seem like a chick thing to me. Personaly I'd skip all that to have ships show some wear and tear. I'd rather have bullet holes and scorch marks from lazfire than a new paintjob. But that's just me. I'm sure there's plenty of girls that this stuff appeals to the same way it appeals to guys, y'know, look at all those toothless big-hair hillbetty NASCAR women at the racetracks. Or look at those Star Trek nerds. Yah, I know, it's really hard to tell, but some of those are female, uh, I think. All we need to do is get some GUYS around here that don't seem like they either been huffing gasoline in the garage for the last few years or blind and slimey from being locked in their mother's basement and I'm sure Eve will attract some females. And I don't really feel like the sudden increase in cheeky emote spam we'd get (more from all the pitiful undersexed male nerd teenagers and 37 year old guys named Frank around here who'd be trying to get it on with each other than any actual woman) if they decided to change everything to make it more appealing to these completely imaginary frilly internet girl nerds (instead of making it more appealing to ME) would be that great of a trade off. Frank and the boys and all their emotes are ALREADY a big enough problem in this game heh. Anyways wiminsks are bad luck to have on a ship, din't you listen to nothin' PopEye the Sailor taught yas? That's really sad, man. Oh, but if we had a paperdoll that wasn't just a head, we could buy cool clothes, and uh, that'd be okay, because tt's not a doll, it's an ACTION FIGURE man! See? He has a gun! This is the tough guy macho stuff right here man! Hey guys... does this cargo expander make my butt look fat? giggles
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Cortex Reaver Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. And usually don't like being referred to as "chicks". lol -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Cortex Reaver Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. And usually don't like being referred to as "chicks". lol -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!

Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Dust Puppy Only if you rank Sims as a game. From that article: Quote: As the age of gamers has risen, so has the number of games for adults. Of all games sold in 2002, the ESA said over 13 percent carried a "Mature" or "M" rating, up from about 10 percent in 2001. Hrody said she and her friends much prefer many of those mature games, like war titles, to the games specially designed and targeted by game companies at the female market, such as dancing themes or Barbie. "They don't hear enough about what the market is. I think they just assume that it's boys that are playing these games," she said. "(Girls' games are) very boring, there's no story line, it's almost like they play it down for girls." We don't just play Sims type games and such, as I outlined in my longer post above. And yes, Sims can be counted as a game, and is. Just because it focuses on something other than PvP doesn't mean it should be discredited. If we're going to do that, let's take out all the platform games in existence, along with racing games, flight sims, RPGs, etc. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Dust Puppy Only if you rank Sims as a game. From that article: Quote: As the age of gamers has risen, so has the number of games for adults. Of all games sold in 2002, the ESA said over 13 percent carried a "Mature" or "M" rating, up from about 10 percent in 2001. Hrody said she and her friends much prefer many of those mature games, like war titles, to the games specially designed and targeted by game companies at the female market, such as dancing themes or Barbie. "They don't hear enough about what the market is. I think they just assume that it's boys that are playing these games," she said. "(Girls' games are) very boring, there's no story line, it's almost like they play it down for girls." We don't just play Sims type games and such, as I outlined in my longer post above. And yes, Sims can be counted as a game, and is. Just because it focuses on something other than PvP doesn't mean it should be discredited. If we're going to do that, let's take out all the platform games in existence, along with racing games, flight sims, RPGs, etc. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:47:00 - [43] This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:47:00 - [44] This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:49:00 - [45] Originally by: Darkwolf Plenty of women play EVE, it's just a lot of the time they don't tell you they're actually women, just for the reason you gave above. And seriously, who wants to chat up some woman, who's very likely a bloke, on the other side of the planet, when you have absolutely no idea what they're really like, in a bleedin' game? I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not. One could likewise argue that it doesnt matter if theyre people or not. The point is, to me, its important that I am playing with other players, not just interacting my character with their characters. Anyway, a bit of sexual banter between consenting adults is A. fun. B. Reminds us that we're human, and C. reminds us that we have ample reasons to step away from the keyboard and go outside... or something. Anyway, this post was meant to be humorous. Well, semi serious. I do have... female friends who ... get visibly more interested in CRPGs when I show them the shop and the clothing options
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Darkwolf Plenty of women play EVE, it's just a lot of the time they don't tell you they're actually women, just for the reason you gave above. And seriously, who wants to chat up some woman, who's very likely a bloke, on the other side of the planet, when you have absolutely no idea what they're really like, in a bleedin' game? I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not. One could likewise argue that it doesnt matter if theyre people or not. The point is, to me, its important that I am playing with other players, not just interacting my character with their characters. Anyway, a bit of sexual banter between consenting adults is A. fun. B. Reminds us that we're human, and C. reminds us that we have ample reasons to step away from the keyboard and go outside... or something. Anyway, this post was meant to be humorous. Well, semi serious. I do have... female friends who ... get visibly more interested in CRPGs when I show them the shop and the clothing options
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Rinny Wee "(Girls' games are) very boring, there's no story line, it's almost like they play it down for girls." Think it is because majority of people that design those games are male and frankly they have no idea what women want in a computer game. Originally by: Rinny Wee We don't just play Sims type games and such, as I outlined in my longer post above. I didn't say women only played Sim. It was a joke but if you demand to make sense of that statement then I'm gonna claim that the majority of people that play Sims are girls and Sims is a one ***** huge game so it skews the results a bit. Originally by:** Rinny Wee And yes, Sims can be counted as a game, and is. Just because it focuses on something other than PvP doesn't mean it should be discredited. If we're going to do that, let's take out all the platform games in existence, along with racing games, flight sims, RPGs, etc. I never said I viewed non pvp games not as games it's just Sims, I think it's a very stupid game but that's my opinion. __________ Capacitor research
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:04:00 - [48] Originally by: Rinny Wee "(Girls' games are) very boring, there's no story line, it's almost like they play it down for girls." Think it is because majority of people that design those games are male and frankly they have no idea what women want in a computer game. Originally by: Rinny Wee We don't just play Sims type games and such, as I outlined in my longer post above. I didn't say women only played Sim. It was a joke but if you demand to make sense of that statement then I'm gonna claim that the majority of people that play Sims are girls and Sims is a one ***** huge game so it skews the results a bit. Originally by:** Rinny Wee And yes, Sims can be counted as a game, and is. Just because it focuses on something other than PvP doesn't mean it should be discredited. If we're going to do that, let's take out all the platform games in existence, along with racing games, flight sims, RPGs, etc. I never said I viewed non pvp games not as games it's just Sims, I think it's a very stupid game but that's my opinion. __________ Capacitor research
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Dust Puppy Think it is because majority of people that design those games are male and frankly they have no idea what women want in a computer game. You have hit the nail on the head right there. So perhaps instead of focusing on getting more women into games, we should also look at getting more women into the gaming industry. And into more than just support areas, which is probably where a majority of us end up. More female game designers, programmers, producers, etc. Then if you want to go further, get more schools to push technology and science and such for girls. But that's happening a bit already. I think you'd find that game design itself probably wouldn't shift too much with more female influence, but once you open the industry up, there'd probably be more women playing a broader range of games. Quote: I didn't say women only played Sim. It was a joke but if you demand to make sense of that statement then I'm gonna claim that the majority of people that play Sims are girls and Sims is a one ******* huge game so it skews the results a bit. It is a huge game, and yes it may skew the results, but should we necessarily discount it for this reason? Perhaps examining the results whilst including Sims and then results without Sims included. Have a look at the difference. That could be quite interesting, I would think. Quote: I never said I viewed non pvp games not as games it's just Sims, I think it's a very stupid game but that's my opinion. No, I realise that, but we cannot go around discounting games just because we don't like them. I personally don't like flight sims, but wouldn't disregard them because of that. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Dust Puppy Think it is because majority of people that design those games are male and frankly they have no idea what women want in a computer game. You have hit the nail on the head right there. So perhaps instead of focusing on getting more women into games, we should also look at getting more women into the gaming industry. And into more than just support areas, which is probably where a majority of us end up. More female game designers, programmers, producers, etc. Then if you want to go further, get more schools to push technology and science and such for girls. But that's happening a bit already. I think you'd find that game design itself probably wouldn't shift too much with more female influence, but once you open the industry up, there'd probably be more women playing a broader range of games. Quote: I didn't say women only played Sim. It was a joke but if you demand to make sense of that statement then I'm gonna claim that the majority of people that play Sims are girls and Sims is a one ******* huge game so it skews the results a bit. It is a huge game, and yes it may skew the results, but should we necessarily discount it for this reason? Perhaps examining the results whilst including Sims and then results without Sims included. Have a look at the difference. That could be quite interesting, I would think. Quote: I never said I viewed non pvp games not as games it's just Sims, I think it's a very stupid game but that's my opinion. No, I realise that, but we cannot go around discounting games just because we don't like them. I personally don't like flight sims, but wouldn't disregard them because of that. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥

theRaptor	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Ghost Red This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. How can you say that Ghost Red? Women are only interested in dress ups and shopping I can't believe the thread starter answered his own question and didn't even realise it. --------------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Ghost Red This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. How can you say that Ghost Red? Women are only interested in dress ups and shopping I can't believe the thread starter answered his own question and didn't even realise it. --------------------------------------------------
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Rinny Wee You have hit the nail on the head right there. So perhaps instead of focusing on getting more women into games, we should also look at getting more women into the gaming industry. And into more than just support areas, which is probably where a majority of us end up. More female game designers, programmers, producers, etc. Then if you want to go further, get more schools to push technology and science and such for girls. But that's happening a bit already. That's hopeless women can't code Dust Puppy runs far away from this thread before the PC Police comes and beats the *** out of him* j/k incase someone thought I was serious. __________ Capacitor research
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:18:00 - [54] Originally by: Rinny Wee You have hit the nail on the head right there. So perhaps instead of focusing on getting more women into games, we should also look at getting more women into the gaming industry. And into more than just support areas, which is probably where a majority of us end up. More female game designers, programmers, producers, etc. Then if you want to go further, get more schools to push technology and science and such for girls. But that's happening a bit already. That's hopeless women can't code Dust Puppy runs far away from this thread before the PC Police comes and beats the *** out of him* j/k incase someone thought I was serious. __________ Capacitor research
flummox	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Ghost Red This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. you make a valid point... but, you are also patronising, generalising, and stereotyping our posts. you have also failed to realize that BOTH women AND men have been patronised, generalised, and stereotyped here... not just women. see this honks me off. just because someone mentioned "woman" or "girl" or "female" and might have "passed judgement" or "said their opinion" doesn't mean we are all downtrodding on females. you're not the only group of people who can be harrassed. there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Ghost Red This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. you make a valid point... but, you are also patronising, generalising, and stereotyping our posts. you have also failed to realize that BOTH women AND men have been patronised, generalised, and stereotyped here... not just women. see this honks me off. just because someone mentioned "woman" or "girl" or "female" and might have "passed judgement" or "said their opinion" doesn't mean we are all downtrodding on females. you're not the only group of people who can be harrassed. there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:24:00 - [57] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Ghost Red This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. How can you say that Ghost Red? Women are only interested in dress ups and shopping I can't believe the thread starter answered his own question and didn't even realise it. well, I'd argue that men are just as bad, its just their ego wont let them admit it When my friend and I play Tiger Woods 2004 we spend more time dressing our golfers with unlocked goodies than we do playing the game. Essentially, Tiger Woods is Barbie with golf balls. Blokes love that stuff to. Its just blokes call it "Customising", women call it "dress up" -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:24:00 - [58] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Ghost Red This thread beautifully illustrates why women like to keep themselves anonymous in games. So far women have been patronised, generalised and stereotyped and we're only on page two. How can you say that Ghost Red? Women are only interested in dress ups and shopping I can't believe the thread starter answered his own question and didn't even realise it. well, I'd argue that men are just as bad, its just their ego wont let them admit it When my friend and I play Tiger Woods 2004 we spend more time dressing our golfers with unlocked goodies than we do playing the game. Essentially, Tiger Woods is Barbie with golf balls. Blokes love that stuff to. Its just blokes call it "Customising", women call it "dress up" -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:36:00 - [59] Originally by: flummox see this honks me off. just because someone mentioned "woman" or "girl" or "female" and might have "passed judgement" or "said their opinion" doesn't mean we are all downtrodding on females. you're not the only group of people who can be harrassed. I don't think I have seen one woman on this thread claim that they are being harassed. I am of course making the assumption that the rest of you are male. You know, if(gamer && !random(10)) assume_male(); else omg_female_asl(); and so on. This could quite quickly descend into a "omg j00 si harassing me because I am <insert gender>" when that's not the issue. How can we get more women playing EVE? How can we get more women openly declaring they are female in the gaming community? How can we get more women working in the gaming industry? It's an old topic, and there are huge steps being taken in the industry, and tbh, I think all that can be done is being done. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:36:00 - [60] Originally by: flummox see this honks me off. just because someone mentioned "woman" or "girl" or "female" and might have "passed judgement" or "said their opinion" doesn't mean we are all downtrodding on females. you're not the only group of people who can be harrassed. I don't think I have seen one woman on this thread claim that they are being harassed. I am of course making the assumption that the rest of you are male. You know, if(gamer && !random(10)) assume_male(); else omg_female_asl(); and so on. This could quite quickly descend into a "omg j00 si harassing me because I am <insert gender>" when that's not the issue. How can we get more women playing EVE? How can we get more women openly declaring they are female in the gaming community? How can we get more women working in the gaming industry? It's an old topic, and there are huge steps being taken in the industry, and tbh, I think all that can be done is being done. ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥

Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:39:00 - [61] That is all. Sass Arcane Technologies
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:39:00 - [62] That is all. Sass Arcane Technologies
Sally	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:40:00 - [63] More women? They'd all commit suicide after a week or two with you geeks. Scnr :P. -- Stories: #1 --
Sally	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:40:00 - [64] More women? They'd all commit suicide after a week or two with you geeks. Scnr :P. -- Stories: #1 --
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:51:00 - [65] Can we get back on topic here! I want my hot pink Thorax! With neon lights!
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:51:00 - [66] Can we get back on topic here! I want my hot pink Thorax! With neon lights!
OMGIAmAnAlt	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:17:00 - [67] Quote: if(gamer && !random(10)) assume_male(); else omg_female_asl(); Looks to me like we're finding a lot of females.
OMGIAmAnAlt	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:17:00 - [68] Quote: if(gamer && !random(10)) assume_male(); else omg_female_asl(); Looks to me like we're finding a lot of females.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:19:00 - [69] Best dev name ever. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:19:00 - [70] Best dev name ever. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:39:00 - [71] yeesh! now the devs have alts! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:39:00 - [72] yeesh! now the devs have alts! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.11.19 19:07:00 - [73] Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Cortex Reaver Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. And usually don't like being referred to as "chicks". Doh! Sorry, I forgot broads hate that! >=] -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.11.19 19:07:00 - [74] Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Cortex Reaver Chicks that are into such things are, quite frankly, very few and far between. And usually don't like being referred to as "chicks". Doh! Sorry, I forgot broads hate that! >=] -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
Oveur	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:01:00 - [75] Originally by: DeFood We need more women in EVE... Now aren't you the clever one _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Oveur	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:01:00 - [76] Originally by: DeFood We need more women in EVE... Now aren't you the clever one _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:05:00 - [77] I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:05:00 - [78] I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Wrangler I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... Women would probably cause an expansion of Oveurs parts. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:07:00 - [80] Originally by: Wrangler I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... Women would probably cause an expansion of Oveurs parts. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.

Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:09:00 - [81] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Wrangler I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... Women would probably cause an expansion of Oveurs parts. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Wrangler I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... Women would probably cause an expansion of Oveurs parts. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:23:00 - [83] Women need rebalancing? Get right on that. kk thanks.
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:23:00 - [84] Women need rebalancing? Get right on that. kk thanks.
Elita	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:49:00 - [85] Originally by: DeFood ...a set of decals that we can paint onto our ships at specific spots... Well, there's one idea I'd go for. Give me a huge shark's mouth for the front of my Geddon. But I agree with the person on page 2 who said the best way to get more women into the game is to get more women into the gaming industry. I like EVE because it is intelligent and complex; a lot of thinking, not just mindless fighting. I don't know what would make it even more appealing to me, but maybe some fresh faces on the dev team could think of some new ideas. -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke
Elita	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:49:00 - [86] Originally by: DeFood ...a set of decals that we can paint onto our ships at specific spots... Well, there's one idea I'd go for. Give me a huge shark's mouth for the front of my Geddon. But I agree with the person on page 2 who said the best way to get more women into the game is to get more women into the gaming industry. I like EVE because it is intelligent and complex; a lot of thinking, not just mindless fighting. I don't know what would make it even more appealing to me, but maybe some fresh faces on the dev team could think of some new ideas. -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke
ZeeWolf	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:55:00 - [87] Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen.
ZeeWolf	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:55:00 - [88] Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen.
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:00:00 - [89] Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. You're so dead as soon as a woman sees that post. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:00:00 - [90] Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. You're so dead as soon as a woman sees that post. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]

DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:04:00 - [91] Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. So that would mean PA, FA, CA, CFS are all played by women? _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:04:00 - [92] Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. So that would mean PA, FA, CA, CFS are all played by women? _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:10:00 - [93] I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Now I think guys do the same thing but we dont call it that~ We call it making sure we look badass and play down words like "dress up" and "outfits". The existance of an exception doesnt prove the norm of course.
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:10:00 - [94] I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Now I think guys do the same thing but we dont call it that~ We call it making sure we look badass and play down words like "dress up" and "outfits". The existance of an exception doesnt prove the norm of course.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:22:00 - [95] Edited by: OffBeaT on 19/11/2004 21:26:36 i get a kick out of the real ladies in the game. they turn out too be more roofless then the men. OffBeaT looks around for them cute little bunnys that eat there men.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:22:00 - [96] Edited by: OffBeaT on 19/11/2004 21:26:36 i get a kick out of the real ladies in the game. they turn out too be more roofless then the men. OffBeaT looks around for them cute little bunnys that eat there men.
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:41:00 - [97] Originally by: Qutsemnie I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Sod that, it's the only good thing about CoH. "How cool can I make my super hero look and can I have lightning? kthx." ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
Rinny Wee	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:41:00 - [98] Originally by: Qutsemnie I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Sod that, it's the only good thing about CoH. "How cool can I make my super hero look and can I have lightning? kthx." ____ ♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:48:00 - [99] Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/11/2004 21:54:12 I'd love to have more women gamers in general. Not because of the relationship aspect but because there is like 50% of the market out there that no-one is tapping into. It's no real shock that sims was one of the best selling games ever purely because it was the first real game (imo) that tapped into both male and female markets. One major problem for women gamers is not only the stuff that talked about here but also the stigmatism surrounding gamers. In america it is ALOT (and I do mean massively) more acceptable for women to play games than in the UK (I have no knowledge about the rest of europe but I presume it is the same) there is a severe hangup about gaming in the general public's eye. I think massively multiplayer games can break down that stigmatism a bit more than 1 plyr games because everyone knows women love to chat (/me hides from rinnywee). Now all we gotta do is get them hooked on eve... Perhaps CCP should start promoting the game so that women get more interested? "Buy Eve, it's choco-shopping tastic" or "Buy Eve, spend all day chatting to your friends then find out all the gossip from abour your next door alliance!" Or maybe I'll just go get as far away from rinny-wee before she beats me up. I know, I know, patronising, generalising and being prejudiced? But hey, I'm male... I don't pretend to know wtf makes women tick. What we really need are more women pushing the games from their perspective and until that happens... I'm afraid it's just me and you Defood ;) Your hangar or mine, baby? dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:48:00 - [100] Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/11/2004 21:54:12 I'd love to have more women gamers in general. Not because of the relationship aspect but because there is like 50% of the market out there that no-one is tapping into. It's no real shock that sims was one of the best selling games ever purely because it was the first real game (imo) that tapped into both male and female markets. One major problem for women gamers is not only the stuff that talked about here but also the stigmatism surrounding gamers. In america it is ALOT (and I do mean massively) more acceptable for women to play games than in the UK (I have no knowledge about the rest of europe but I presume it is the same) there is a severe hangup about gaming in the general public's eye. I think massively multiplayer games can break down that stigmatism a bit more than 1 plyr games because everyone knows women love to chat (/me hides from rinnywee). Now all we gotta do is get them hooked on eve... Perhaps CCP should start promoting the game so that women get more interested? "Buy Eve, it's choco-shopping tastic" or "Buy Eve, spend all day chatting to your friends then find out all the gossip from abour your next door alliance!" Or maybe I'll just go get as far away from rinny-wee before she beats me up. I know, I know, patronising, generalising and being prejudiced? But hey, I'm male... I don't pretend to know wtf makes women tick. What we really need are more women pushing the games from their perspective and until that happens... I'm afraid it's just me and you Defood ;) Your hangar or mine, baby? dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.

Jakal	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:48:00 - [101] Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Qutsemnie I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Sod that, it's the only good thing about CoH. "How cool can I make my super hero look and can I have lightning? kthx." lol, thats my favorite reasons to play the CoH, i can only fight so many NPCs before my brain starts leaking out my ears. p.s. my CoH chars look awsome. -Adapt and Overcome.
Jakal	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:48:00 - [102] Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Qutsemnie I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Sod that, it's the only good thing about CoH. "How cool can I make my super hero look and can I have lightning? kthx." lol, thats my favorite reasons to play the CoH, i can only fight so many NPCs before my brain starts leaking out my ears. p.s. my CoH chars look awsome. -Adapt and Overcome.
Faithless	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:50:00 - [103] Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. I'll be glad to change your mind for you ingame ;)
Faithless	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:50:00 - [104] Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. I'll be glad to change your mind for you ingame ;)
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:56:00 - [105] Originally by: Faithless Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. I'll be glad to change your mind for you ingame ;) She will as well! Faithless has saved my ass in-game almost as many times as my little personal life-saviour grimster has! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.11.19 21:56:00 - [106] Originally by: Faithless Originally by: ZeeWolf Edited by: ZeeWolf on 19/11/2004 20:58:06 Everyon knows women cant play games as good as guys... its like driving. Women should just stick to the kitchen. I'll be glad to change your mind for you ingame ;) She will as well! Faithless has saved my ass in-game almost as many times as my little personal life-saviour grimster has! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.11.19 22:30:00 - [107] Originally by: Jakal Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Qutsemnie I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Sod that, it's the only good thing about CoH. "How cool can I make my super hero look and can I have lightning? kthx." lol, thats my favorite reasons to play the CoH, i can only fight so many NPCs before my brain starts leaking out my ears. p.s. my CoH chars look awsome. I was going to buy CoH just so that I could be the most "attracted to the same sex" character imaginable and then I was going to roleplay it. But screw it, I didn't.... on a side note mechanical desktop and the coordinates from making bookmarks makes finding safespots very easy, I just thought I'd say so since DigitalCommunist seemed a little out of line earlier.
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.11.19 22:30:00 - [108] Originally by: Jakal Originally by: Rinny Wee Originally by: Qutsemnie I actually had a guildee in EQ who got CoH for the sole reason that it was so much fun making outfits for her characters. Sod that, it's the only good thing about CoH. "How cool can I make my super hero look and can I have lightning? kthx." lol, thats my favorite reasons to play the CoH, i can only fight so many NPCs before my brain starts leaking out my ears. p.s. my CoH chars look awsome. I was going to buy CoH just so that I could be the most "attracted to the same sex" character imaginable and then I was going to roleplay it. But screw it, I didn't.... on a side note mechanical desktop and the coordinates from making bookmarks makes finding safespots very easy, I just thought I'd say so since DigitalCommunist seemed a little out of line earlier.
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:02:00 - [109] Most women don't prefer BMX bikes and ride through dirt and the woods, most women prefer to go out with friends and meet them in person having a good time. Why I play this game? It's fun when I don't feel like going out or when I had a rough day and I want to shoot at things in space ( hi guys, bye guys) For me the downside of EVE is that you are very dependant of others, either as object to shoot at or as someone to play with. The fun side is that there is some communication with people as well, especially 'omfg you owe me a cruiser you **' i'm a girl ' dont you *** dare to come on to me, everybody knows women cant play a game. Women cant shoot or drive' yeah whatever This is not a hijack
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:02:00 - [110] Most women don't prefer BMX bikes and ride through dirt and the woods, most women prefer to go out with friends and meet them in person having a good time. Why I play this game? It's fun when I don't feel like going out or when I had a rough day and I want to shoot at things in space ( hi guys, bye guys) For me the downside of EVE is that you are very dependant of others, either as object to shoot at or as someone to play with. The fun side is that there is some communication with people as well, especially 'omfg you owe me a cruiser you **' i'm a girl ' dont you *** dare to come on to me, everybody knows women cant play a game. Women cant shoot or drive' yeah whatever This is not a hijack

Sally	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:09:00 - [111] Originally by: Lianhaun Most women don't prefer BMX bikes and ride through dirt and the woods, most women prefer to go out with friends and meet them in person having a good time. Hmm. Guess, I am a woman then . -- Stories: #1 --
Sally	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:09:00 - [112] Originally by: Lianhaun Most women don't prefer BMX bikes and ride through dirt and the woods, most women prefer to go out with friends and meet them in person having a good time. Hmm. Guess, I am a woman then . -- Stories: #1 --
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:13:00 - [113] I try not to demean, stereotype, or patronise women.................... especially when they're crying at The Lion King again instead of ironing my new shirt. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:13:00 - [114] I try not to demean, stereotype, or patronise women.................... especially when they're crying at The Lion King again instead of ironing my new shirt. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:16:00 - [115] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I try not to demean, stereotype, or patronise women.................... especially when they're crying at The Lion King again instead of ironing my new shirt. Yup, you're right. Women are amazing creatures, and should be held in the highest regard and respect. In fact, I would go as far as to say every bloke should own one. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:16:00 - [116] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I try not to demean, stereotype, or patronise women.................... especially when they're crying at The Lion King again instead of ironing my new shirt. Yup, you're right. Women are amazing creatures, and should be held in the highest regard and respect. In fact, I would go as far as to say every bloke should own one. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:19:00 - [117] Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:19:00 - [118] Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:34:00 - [119] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. blinks And they wonder why I don't employ men. Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:34:00 - [120] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. blinks And they wonder why I don't employ men. Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation

Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:46:00 - [121] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Originally by: Joshua Calvert Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. blinks And they wonder why I don't employ men. Because you're so easy to tease and wind up? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:46:00 - [122] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Originally by: Joshua Calvert Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. blinks And they wonder why I don't employ men. Because you're so easy to tease and wind up? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:49:00 - [123] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Originally by: Joshua Calvert Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. blinks And they wonder why I don't employ men. Because you're so easy to tease and wind up? RAWR!! Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:49:00 - [124] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Originally by: Joshua Calvert Women are like Pokemon, in a way. Gotta snog 'em all. blinks And they wonder why I don't employ men. Because you're so easy to tease and wind up? RAWR!! Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
Jozef Meurtrier	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:52:00 - [125] One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed.
Jozef Meurtrier	Posted - 2004.11.19 23:52:00 - [126] One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.20 00:06:00 - [127] I clicked on the topic after ignoring it as it got to a reasonable length, and was gonna say like ah who cares, i dont want more women ingame i dont give a stuff, but i wouldnt mind more people. But you know this thread is pretty funny, and so maybe we should encourage more women. Trouble is, encouraging more woman probably entails doing stuff that men dont want to do. I like the game, i want everyone in the world to like it. I dont much care if they are a woman. I mean, say i meet a woman on here, we could surupptitiously elope to a moon, but in the grand scheme of things it aint gonna mean we live happily ever after, and we can kill each other whatever gender. I guess it just aint an issue to me, so long as they dont girlify the game. San. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.20 00:06:00 - [128] I clicked on the topic after ignoring it as it got to a reasonable length, and was gonna say like ah who cares, i dont want more women ingame i dont give a stuff, but i wouldnt mind more people. But you know this thread is pretty funny, and so maybe we should encourage more women. Trouble is, encouraging more woman probably entails doing stuff that men dont want to do. I like the game, i want everyone in the world to like it. I dont much care if they are a woman. I mean, say i meet a woman on here, we could surupptitiously elope to a moon, but in the grand scheme of things it aint gonna mean we live happily ever after, and we can kill each other whatever gender. I guess it just aint an issue to me, so long as they dont girlify the game. San. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.11.20 00:55:00 - [129] Kaleigh Doyle, the best sig ever. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.11.20 00:55:00 - [130] Kaleigh Doyle, the best sig ever. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::

Lady Annus	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:17:00 - [131] Originally by: Vex Seraphim Kaleigh Doyle, the best sig ever. It give me happy feering.
Lady Annus	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:17:00 - [132] Originally by: Vex Seraphim Kaleigh Doyle, the best sig ever. It give me happy feering.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:43:00 - [133] Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:43:00 - [134] Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:44:00 - [135] Edited by: 0seeker0 on 20/11/2004 01:47:29 seeker wonders if haratu is a girl........ San. Edit; cause thats an odd idea i dont understand. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:44:00 - [136] Edited by: 0seeker0 on 20/11/2004 01:47:29 seeker wonders if haratu is a girl........ San. Edit; cause thats an odd idea i dont understand. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:53:00 - [137] Originally by: 0seeker0 seeker wonders if haratu is a girl........ The answer is no, I am a guy. Sorry to dissapoint you . I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Haratu	Posted - 2004.11.20 01:53:00 - [138] Originally by: 0seeker0 seeker wonders if haratu is a girl........ The answer is no, I am a guy. Sorry to dissapoint you . I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century.
Cary Grant	Posted - 2004.11.20 03:46:00 - [139] Edited by: Cary Grant on 20/11/2004 03:57:48 It has to do with psychology, more men play Eve for the same reason they play Halo, it's PvP oriented, women in general are not wired the same way and thus do not find these types of games appealing. Eve is nothing more than a bunch of guys (again, in GENERAL) hanging out in a virtual garage trying to figure out how to put more guns on their cars, then heading out to the shooting range or ranch and trying them out. The majority of Myst purchasers were women, the same for the Sims. These games (PvP) just are NOT marketed to women. And the majority of the ones that I have encountered (very few in actuality) are either dedicated Miners and/or researchers, non-combat oriented roles. So until there is a massive change to how this game is marketed, we will continue to see Gallente girls who are indeed Men. Alot of it has to do with age as well, the fairer gender typically in her late teens through her twenties tends to be a social member of society, where as men in the same category are not, and could be just as happy in a bar or at home playing eve. Women also tend to be more confident with higher self-esteem than men of the same age and so feel NO need to go online and turn into their alto-ego to prove that they indeed are a badass in a battleship after they park the 4 cylinder in the garage after work. If virtually anyway.
Cary Grant	Posted - 2004.11.20 03:46:00 - [140] Edited by: Cary Grant on 20/11/2004 03:57:48 It has to do with psychology, more men play Eve for the same reason they play Halo, it's PvP oriented, women in general are not wired the same way and thus do not find these types of games appealing. Eve is nothing more than a bunch of guys (again, in GENERAL) hanging out in a virtual garage trying to figure out how to put more guns on their cars, then heading out to the shooting range or ranch and trying them out. The majority of Myst purchasers were women, the same for the Sims. These games (PvP) just are NOT marketed to women. And the majority of the ones that I have encountered (very few in actuality) are either dedicated Miners and/or researchers, non-combat oriented roles. So until there is a massive change to how this game is marketed, we will continue to see Gallente girls who are indeed Men. Alot of it has to do with age as well, the fairer gender typically in her late teens through her twenties tends to be a social member of society, where as men in the same category are not, and could be just as happy in a bar or at home playing eve. Women also tend to be more confident with higher self-esteem than men of the same age and so feel NO need to go online and turn into their alto-ego to prove that they indeed are a badass in a battleship after they park the 4 cylinder in the garage after work. If virtually anyway.

theRaptor	Posted - 2004.11.20 04:20:00 - [141] Originally by: Cary Grant Edited by: Cary Grant on 20/11/2004 03:57:48 It has to do with psychology, more men play Eve for the same reason they play Halo, it's PvP oriented, women in general are not wired the same way and thus do not find these types of games appealing. Eve is nothing more than a bunch of guys (again, in GENERAL) hanging out in a virtual garage trying to figure out how to put more guns on their cars, then heading out to the shooting range or ranch and trying them out. The majority of Myst purchasers were women, the same for the Sims. These games (PvP) just are NOT marketed to women. And the majority of the ones that I have encountered (very few in actuality) are either dedicated Miners and/or researchers, non-combat oriented roles. So until there is a massive change to how this game is marketed, we will continue to see Gallente girls who are indeed Men. Alot of it has to do with age as well, the fairer gender typically in her late teens through her twenties tends to be a social member of society, where as men in the same category are not, and could be just as happy in a bar or at home playing eve. Women also tend to be more confident with higher self-esteem than men of the same age and so feel NO need to go online and turn into their alto-ego to prove that they indeed are a badass in a battleship after they park the 4 cylinder in the garage after work. If virtually anyway. I would say it has more to do with the fact that it is not considered "cool" for women to be gamers (just like straight men generally aren't allowed to like "dressing up"). Games like Myst sold so well because they where not marketed at the established hard core gamer market. Frankly I don't care what the gender is of people I encounter in games, because I don't play them to "pick up chicks". --------------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.11.20 04:20:00 - [142] Originally by: Cary Grant Edited by: Cary Grant on 20/11/2004 03:57:48 It has to do with psychology, more men play Eve for the same reason they play Halo, it's PvP oriented, women in general are not wired the same way and thus do not find these types of games appealing. Eve is nothing more than a bunch of guys (again, in GENERAL) hanging out in a virtual garage trying to figure out how to put more guns on their cars, then heading out to the shooting range or ranch and trying them out. The majority of Myst purchasers were women, the same for the Sims. These games (PvP) just are NOT marketed to women. And the majority of the ones that I have encountered (very few in actuality) are either dedicated Miners and/or researchers, non-combat oriented roles. So until there is a massive change to how this game is marketed, we will continue to see Gallente girls who are indeed Men. Alot of it has to do with age as well, the fairer gender typically in her late teens through her twenties tends to be a social member of society, where as men in the same category are not, and could be just as happy in a bar or at home playing eve. Women also tend to be more confident with higher self-esteem than men of the same age and so feel NO need to go online and turn into their alto-ego to prove that they indeed are a badass in a battleship after they park the 4 cylinder in the garage after work. If virtually anyway. I would say it has more to do with the fact that it is not considered "cool" for women to be gamers (just like straight men generally aren't allowed to like "dressing up"). Games like Myst sold so well because they where not marketed at the established hard core gamer market. Frankly I don't care what the gender is of people I encounter in games, because I don't play them to "pick up chicks". --------------------------------------------------
Cary Grant	Posted - 2004.11.20 04:29:00 - [143] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Cary Grant Edited by: Cary Grant on 20/11/2004 03:57:48 It has to do with psychology, more men play Eve for the same reason they play Halo, it's PvP oriented, women in general are not wired the same way and thus do not find these types of games appealing. Eve is nothing more than a bunch of guys (again, in GENERAL) hanging out in a virtual garage trying to figure out how to put more guns on their cars, then heading out to the shooting range or ranch and trying them out. The majority of Myst purchasers were women, the same for the Sims. These games (PvP) just are NOT marketed to women. And the majority of the ones that I have encountered (very few in actuality) are either dedicated Miners and/or researchers, non-combat oriented roles. So until there is a massive change to how this game is marketed, we will continue to see Gallente girls who are indeed Men. Alot of it has to do with age as well, the fairer gender typically in her late teens through her twenties tends to be a social member of society, where as men in the same category are not, and could be just as happy in a bar or at home playing eve. Women also tend to be more confident with higher self-esteem than men of the same age and so feel NO need to go online and turn into their alto-ego to prove that they indeed are a badass in a battleship after they park the 4 cylinder in the garage after work. If virtually anyway. I would say it has more to do with the fact that it is not considered "cool" for women to be gamers (just like straight men generally aren't allowed to like "dressing up"). Games like Myst sold so well because they where not marketed at the established hard core gamer market. Frankly I don't care what the gender is of people I encounter in games, because I don't play them to "pick up chicks". Very well stated theRaptor, I play to PLAY, not to barfly.
Cary Grant	Posted - 2004.11.20 04:29:00 - [144] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Cary Grant Edited by: Cary Grant on 20/11/2004 03:57:48 It has to do with psychology, more men play Eve for the same reason they play Halo, it's PvP oriented, women in general are not wired the same way and thus do not find these types of games appealing. Eve is nothing more than a bunch of guys (again, in GENERAL) hanging out in a virtual garage trying to figure out how to put more guns on their cars, then heading out to the shooting range or ranch and trying them out. The majority of Myst purchasers were women, the same for the Sims. These games (PvP) just are NOT marketed to women. And the majority of the ones that I have encountered (very few in actuality) are either dedicated Miners and/or researchers, non-combat oriented roles. So until there is a massive change to how this game is marketed, we will continue to see Gallente girls who are indeed Men. Alot of it has to do with age as well, the fairer gender typically in her late teens through her twenties tends to be a social member of society, where as men in the same category are not, and could be just as happy in a bar or at home playing eve. Women also tend to be more confident with higher self-esteem than men of the same age and so feel NO need to go online and turn into their alto-ego to prove that they indeed are a badass in a battleship after they park the 4 cylinder in the garage after work. If virtually anyway. I would say it has more to do with the fact that it is not considered "cool" for women to be gamers (just like straight men generally aren't allowed to like "dressing up"). Games like Myst sold so well because they where not marketed at the established hard core gamer market. Frankly I don't care what the gender is of people I encounter in games, because I don't play them to "pick up chicks". Very well stated theRaptor, I play to PLAY, not to barfly.
Alt duJour	Posted - 2004.11.22 06:06:00 - [145] Originally by: DeFood Or do we? At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. It calls my masculinity into question you know Anyway, Ive noticed that amongst my friends, I can get the non gaming girls to play anything as long as they can change their clothes / appearance. Now, our avatars are a very small part of this game. To make it appeal to a greater number of women however I feel that great success can be had allowing ship skin customizations. You're talking of vehicle customization. How many women do you know that take time to customize their car with chrome, custom paint, fat exhaust pipes, bells and whistles so it stands out? How many men do you know that waste time on doing exactly that? Exactly. (you're not your ship. girls are smart enough to grasp that concept, too..)
Alt duJour	Posted - 2004.11.22 06:06:00 - [146] Originally by: DeFood Or do we? At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. It calls my masculinity into question you know Anyway, Ive noticed that amongst my friends, I can get the non gaming girls to play anything as long as they can change their clothes / appearance. Now, our avatars are a very small part of this game. To make it appeal to a greater number of women however I feel that great success can be had allowing ship skin customizations. You're talking of vehicle customization. How many women do you know that take time to customize their car with chrome, custom paint, fat exhaust pipes, bells and whistles so it stands out? How many men do you know that waste time on doing exactly that? Exactly. (you're not your ship. girls are smart enough to grasp that concept, too..)
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.11.22 06:35:00 - [147] Originally by: Qutsemnie Now I think guys do the same thing but we dont call it that~ We call it making sure we look badass and play down words like "dress up" and "outfits". Speak for yourself! I bang once on the random portait button and move on. Avatars are superfluous. -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.11.22 06:35:00 - [148] Originally by: Qutsemnie Now I think guys do the same thing but we dont call it that~ We call it making sure we look badass and play down words like "dress up" and "outfits". Speak for yourself! I bang once on the random portait button and move on. Avatars are superfluous. -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
Drutort	Posted - 2004.11.22 07:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Wrangler I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Drutort	Posted - 2004.11.22 07:49:00 - [150] Originally by: Wrangler I think Oveur promised that women was part of an expansion... support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog

Clay101	Posted - 2004.11.22 08:36:00 - [151] Originally by: Darkwolf Originally by: DeFood At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. Plenty of women play EVE, it's just a lot of the time they don't tell you they're actually women, just for the reason you gave above. And seriously, who wants to chat up some woman, who's very likely a bloke, on the other side of the planet, when you have absolutely no idea what they're really like, in a bleedin' game? I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not. ever heard of TeamSpeak? ... you can hear what they sound like so you know if it's a man or woman or little boy or girl or wat part of the world they come from
Clay101	Posted - 2004.11.22 08:36:00 - [152] Originally by: Darkwolf Originally by: DeFood At any rate Im getting quite tired of chatting up my male corpmates female avatars. Plenty of women play EVE, it's just a lot of the time they don't tell you they're actually women, just for the reason you gave above. And seriously, who wants to chat up some woman, who's very likely a bloke, on the other side of the planet, when you have absolutely no idea what they're really like, in a bleedin' game? I just don't see how its relevant if they're a woman or not. ever heard of TeamSpeak? ... you can hear what they sound like so you know if it's a man or woman or little boy or girl or wat part of the world they come from
DrPRoberts	Posted - 2004.11.22 09:55:00 - [153] Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know..
DrPRoberts	Posted - 2004.11.22 09:55:00 - [154] Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know..
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.22 10:30:00 - [155] I think more women would play online games if it wasn't for the whole thing with 'OMG, gurls! show boobs to me! omgomgomgomg' and the leching, and the crap that goes with it. If people would treat each other as equals (except bhaal, ofc) then it wouldn't be such an issue. also, Joshua... .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.11.22 10:30:00 - [156] I think more women would play online games if it wasn't for the whole thing with 'OMG, gurls! show boobs to me! omgomgomgomg' and the leching, and the crap that goes with it. If people would treat each other as equals (except bhaal, ofc) then it wouldn't be such an issue. also, Joshua... .
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.22 10:33:00 - [157] Originally by: DrPRoberts Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know.. No, they also have boobies.. and a complete lack of logic, or what we usually call "female logic". Originally by: Haratu Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. What is this "outside" you're talking about and is there a website where I can read more about it? [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.11.22 10:33:00 - [158] Originally by: DrPRoberts Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know.. No, they also have boobies.. and a complete lack of logic, or what we usually call "female logic". Originally by: Haratu Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. What is this "outside" you're talking about and is there a website where I can read more about it? [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
DeerHunter GE	Posted - 2004.11.22 11:16:00 - [159] Edited by: DeerHunter GE on 22/11/2004 11:20:48 Iam Married, have two children Tell me one F***** reason why i should care about women ingame....i don't care about, male or female is the last thing i think about ! Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you!
DeerHunter GE	Posted - 2004.11.22 11:16:00 - [160] Edited by: DeerHunter GE on 22/11/2004 11:20:48 Iam Married, have two children Tell me one F***** reason why i should care about women ingame....i don't care about, male or female is the last thing i think about ! Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you!

DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.22 11:59:00 - [161] Originally by: DeerHunter GE Edited by: DeerHunter GE on 22/11/2004 11:20:48 Iam Married, have two children Tell me one F***** reason why i should care about women ingame....i don't care about, male or female is the last thing i think about ! The game benefits are twofold, but indirect... Reason #1: - Assuming there are game feature that would attract females, a game with a large female population would obviously be a richer arguably more balanced experience. Reason #2: - more players is better than less in an MMORPG. More players = more cash for CCP = more development zots = more features for the rest of us. If EVE could be made as attractive to women as men, the sbuscriber base would double. Finally, Ill say that, If I walk into a bar filled only with men (or women for that matter), or a bar filled with a mix of genders, Ill think theres something wrong with the first bar - doubtless its filled with misogynists.
DeFood	Posted - 2004.11.22 11:59:00 - [162] Originally by: DeerHunter GE Edited by: DeerHunter GE on 22/11/2004 11:20:48 Iam Married, have two children Tell me one F***** reason why i should care about women ingame....i don't care about, male or female is the last thing i think about ! The game benefits are twofold, but indirect... Reason #1: - Assuming there are game feature that would attract females, a game with a large female population would obviously be a richer arguably more balanced experience. Reason #2: - more players is better than less in an MMORPG. More players = more cash for CCP = more development zots = more features for the rest of us. If EVE could be made as attractive to women as men, the sbuscriber base would double. Finally, Ill say that, If I walk into a bar filled only with men (or women for that matter), or a bar filled with a mix of genders, Ill think theres something wrong with the first bar - doubtless its filled with misogynists.
Lowlayer	Posted - 2004.11.22 12:46:00 - [163] Perhaps it would be more popular to women if there was a support role for them. There could be special smaller, slower, safer ships and they'd be restricted to planetry operations and chatting on the channels. Obviously, they'd need lvl5 in numerous skills before they'd be allowed out of the station in any kind of ship and even then they'd be restricted to the same system. (Although, a real player partner could of course transport her out to another system if he had the right skills...). I think that would make it a real hit amongst the weaker species! Hmmmm, I wonder why I haven't got a girlfriend?
Lowlayer	Posted - 2004.11.22 12:46:00 - [164] Perhaps it would be more popular to women if there was a support role for them. There could be special smaller, slower, safer ships and they'd be restricted to planetry operations and chatting on the channels. Obviously, they'd need lvl5 in numerous skills before they'd be allowed out of the station in any kind of ship and even then they'd be restricted to the same system. (Although, a real player partner could of course transport her out to another system if he had the right skills...). I think that would make it a real hit amongst the weaker species! Hmmmm, I wonder why I haven't got a girlfriend?
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.22 13:00:00 - [165] Reason #1: - Assuming there are game feature that would attract females, a game with a large female population would obviously be a richer arguably more balanced experience. ************ Balance is overrated. Politicians use the equivelant of nerf bats to achieve it, and what balance does is unbalance right thinking people in favour of the lowest common denominator (yes, i live in britain) ********** Finally, Ill say that, If I walk into a bar filled only with men (or women for that matter), or a bar filled with a mix of genders, Ill think theres something wrong with the first bar - doubtless its filled with misogynists. *********** People who use the word "misogy" i hate with a passion, except those who lather it in derision. You have now feminised your way to the top of my KOS list (its actually a lonely list as im a nice guy, and your the only one on it) And for your information, id be happy as larry in the all male bar. Its called "my local" and serves good beer. The main woman is the owner, and she stands no messing. We get on fabulously, and any woman who feels the need to droop her ** on the bar is given short thrift. Now go away and drink some testostorone and stop sounding like a whiney liberal. San. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.22 13:00:00 - [166] Reason #1: - Assuming there are game feature that would attract females, a game with a large female population would obviously be a richer arguably more balanced experience. ************ Balance is overrated. Politicians use the equivelant of nerf bats to achieve it, and what balance does is unbalance right thinking people in favour of the lowest common denominator (yes, i live in britain) ********** Finally, Ill say that, If I walk into a bar filled only with men (or women for that matter), or a bar filled with a mix of genders, Ill think theres something wrong with the first bar - doubtless its filled with misogynists. *********** People who use the word "misogy" i hate with a passion, except those who lather it in derision. You have now feminised your way to the top of my KOS list (its actually a lonely list as im a nice guy, and your the only one on it) And for your information, id be happy as larry in the all male bar. Its called "my local" and serves good beer. The main woman is the owner, and she stands no messing. We get on fabulously, and any woman who feels the need to droop her ** on the bar is given short thrift. Now go away and drink some testostorone and stop sounding like a whiney liberal. San. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
DeerHunter GE	Posted - 2004.11.22 13:10:00 - [167] New Skill which could attract women.... Driving Car I Driving Car without Accident I Driving Car longer then 1 hour Car Fueling Car Cleaning Oil Check Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you!
DeerHunter GE	Posted - 2004.11.22 13:10:00 - [168] New Skill which could attract women.... Driving Car I Driving Car without Accident I Driving Car longer then 1 hour Car Fueling Car Cleaning Oil Check Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you!
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.11.22 13:32:00 - [169] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: DrPRoberts Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know.. No, they also have boobies.. and a complete lack of logic, or what we usually call "female logic". Originally by: Haratu Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. What is this "outside" you're talking about and is there a website where I can read more about it? So, you wanted me to what again? I think it's time for that long lasting vacation I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.11.22 13:32:00 - [170] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: DrPRoberts Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know.. No, they also have boobies.. and a complete lack of logic, or what we usually call "female logic". Originally by: Haratu Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. What is this "outside" you're talking about and is there a website where I can read more about it? So, you wanted me to what again? I think it's time for that long lasting vacation I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

Drutort	Posted - 2004.11.22 22:32:00 - [171] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: DrPRoberts Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know.. No, they also have boobies.. and a complete lack of logic, or what we usually call "female logic". Originally by: Haratu Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. What is this "outside" you're talking about and is there a website where I can read more about it? oh man i hope ppl are not taking things too seriously as this is just fun support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Drutort	Posted - 2004.11.22 22:32:00 - [172] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: DrPRoberts Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier One word: WHY. How could someone's genitalia possibly effect his ingame, online status? If its been asked before, sorry. Havn't read the entire thread, mostly because I can't be arsed. Genitalia is not the only difference between men and women you know.. No, they also have boobies.. and a complete lack of logic, or what we usually call "female logic". Originally by: Haratu Funnily enough many of the men that play this game don't spend enough time outdoors where many of the women are. The answer is that if they want to see more women they should gasp stop playing this game gasp. At least for long enough to go out for a while. What is this "outside" you're talking about and is there a website where I can read more about it? oh man i hope ppl are not taking things too seriously as this is just fun support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Rasputin Baba	Posted - 2004.11.22 22:37:00 - [173] I was under the impression EVE needed more content not yet more fluff.
Rasputin Baba	Posted - 2004.11.22 22:37:00 - [174] I was under the impression EVE needed more content not yet more fluff.
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2004.11.22 23:59:00 - [175] Regarding the "stereotyping" of which types of games women like, here's some observations from my circle of friends. I know: 1 woman that plays The Sims (but can't decide whether Sims or Black & White is her favourite game, no men I know play Black & White regularly) 3 men that plays The Sims, none of which say it's their favourite. 2 women that have GTA3 as their favourite game (and more that play it) 0 men that have GTA3 as their favourite game (3 that play it sometimes though) (DBP, take note, you are on to something there! ;) 1 woman that have Max Payne as her favourite game 0 men that have Max Payne as their favourite game 1 woman that have Europa Universalis as her favourite game 1 man that have Europa Universalis as his favourite game I don't even know anyone IRL outside of my family that play EVE, so a comparison would be unfair. So from my experience, saying that "men like X types of games" and that "women like Y types of games" holds less water than an old man with prostate cancer... There is no "magic trick" to get people per-gender to play a game, it's mainly a matter of "exposing" the games. For example, adverts in Gaming magazines mostly reach men (or boys), so simply making a game "different" won't do anything if it's only advertised in those Gaming magazines.
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2004.11.22 23:59:00 - [176] Regarding the "stereotyping" of which types of games women like, here's some observations from my circle of friends. I know: 1 woman that plays The Sims (but can't decide whether Sims or Black & White is her favourite game, no men I know play Black & White regularly) 3 men that plays The Sims, none of which say it's their favourite. 2 women that have GTA3 as their favourite game (and more that play it) 0 men that have GTA3 as their favourite game (3 that play it sometimes though) (DBP, take note, you are on to something there! ;) 1 woman that have Max Payne as her favourite game 0 men that have Max Payne as their favourite game 1 woman that have Europa Universalis as her favourite game 1 man that have Europa Universalis as his favourite game I don't even know anyone IRL outside of my family that play EVE, so a comparison would be unfair. So from my experience, saying that "men like X types of games" and that "women like Y types of games" holds less water than an old man with prostate cancer... There is no "magic trick" to get people per-gender to play a game, it's mainly a matter of "exposing" the games. For example, adverts in Gaming magazines mostly reach men (or boys), so simply making a game "different" won't do anything if it's only advertised in those Gaming magazines.
Captain Thrawn	Posted - 2004.11.24 01:55:00 - [177] I think having more Women players would make the gam more fun, all the guys want to do is pick fights ( yes i am a guy ) The Man
Captain Thrawn	Posted - 2004.11.24 01:55:00 - [178] I think having more Women players would make the gam more fun, all the guys want to do is pick fights ( yes i am a guy ) The Man
alphawolf2929	Posted - 2004.11.24 02:32:00 - [179] faction bpo's should give you a pretty good selection...for an insane price of course
alphawolf2929	Posted - 2004.11.24 02:32:00 - [180] faction bpo's should give you a pretty good selection...for an insane price of course

YodaMasterJedi	Posted - 2004.11.24 03:40:00 - [181] During EVE play the male hormone level reaches an unimagineable peak and can only be summed up in one word....sausagefest....I have tried to get some "girl" friends of mine to play but it seems like many of them are devoted to hair, nails, and shopping. I would rather spend my time looking for sales on those new T2 mods than checking out my local Bath & Body or Victoria Secret. Unless they start modeling underware of course. "I'd like to see the whole store please!!" Back to topic. More women should play EVE and I hope that some of them will read this thread and join our corp! Channel Enoki new image coming soon!!
YodaMasterJedi	Posted - 2004.11.24 03:40:00 - [182] During EVE play the male hormone level reaches an unimagineable peak and can only be summed up in one word....sausagefest....I have tried to get some "girl" friends of mine to play but it seems like many of them are devoted to hair, nails, and shopping. I would rather spend my time looking for sales on those new T2 mods than checking out my local Bath & Body or Victoria Secret. Unless they start modeling underware of course. "I'd like to see the whole store please!!" Back to topic. More women should play EVE and I hope that some of them will read this thread and join our corp! Channel Enoki new image coming soon!!
Ultrabug	Posted - 2005.03.14 15:07:00 - [183] I love my wife
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.03.14 15:22:00 - [184] Any reason why you have ressurected this just to tell your wife that you love her? Maybe flowers would have been better, or even fine wines and Belgian chocolates if you're trying the Swiss Toni approach. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.03.14 15:52:00 - [185] Originally by: Ultrabug I love my wife I'm sure she loves you too...but she wont be very happy when I tell her you bumped a 4 month old thread...time to dodge those rolling pins...matrix style. Don't bump old threads. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)


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