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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.20 14:32:00 -
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Vuk Lau wrote:I want EVE Trebuchet Neue
I second that. 
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Yes I live in nullsec. |
I'thari
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Posted - 2011.09.20 14:40:00 -
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Krispy Dingo wrote:I'm suer there has been some hue and cry about a properly scalable font (who has time to read all the responses), and while that would be nice, I think what he has forgotten is the reason why the fonts currently only scale to a certain point, and that is so they can all still fit properly within the UI windows.
While it may be slightly out of the scope of this particular blog, I think in some ways these do go hand in hand.
When playing on an exceptionally large screen, like a hi-def television, the current font becomes unreadable; while it does appear that the new font will help with some of the readability, none of us are getting any younger and I can only cram my nose so close to my screen.
Certain other less fun MMORPGs use a UI Scale that allows all elements of the UI to be increased/decreased in size with a slider, which allows text to still fit within the boxes since the entire UI size has been increased.
Are there any future plans to move towards something like that, since it would definitely be a boon for everyone playing?
I know, this is a font blog, but since CCP Punkturis is everyone's favorite UI programmer, maybe fishing for an answer might work
I second this... font originaly was designed when EVE supported 800x600 (!) resolution, now you can't really play with 1024x768 with all this bulky UI, while on resolutions higher than that font gets too small to read (it's more of an issue for me personaly than "playing guessing game" when here's some "5" or "S" in text)...
same issuse with this forum, really... ofc, zooming in does wonders in overcoming first-impression disgust, but that's still not a reason to release half-made stuff and wait 'till players think of "workaround" so GMs/Devs can advise to use it instead of fixing.
As for caps - it's never really been an issue for me, on a contrary: currently it makes some menues easier to read (never thought of that, did you?). Not that it's the best way to make stuff readable, but seing how we're unlikely to get larger fonts anyway... |
Razunter
Full fun corp
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Posted - 2011.09.20 14:52:00 -
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Font is TOO small, unusable. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:03:00 -
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Razunter wrote:Brain is TOO small, unusable.
Fixed. :P |
Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:04:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Yaar Podshipnik wrote:Nice, but I have some questions:
- Will it be possible to change the font size of ESC menu?
- Will it be possible to change the font size of the mission descriptions?
- Will it be possible to change the font size of the local player list (player names)?
- Will it be possible to change the font size on the ship fitting window?
- Will it be possible to change the font size in the item description windows?
- Will it be possible to change the font size in the PI, S&I, and market screens?
- Why not allow us to use our own favorite font? Most of the day I stare at DejaVu Sans Mono and I really like that font (the whole font family actually).
Nope, you'll only be able to change the size of the context menu, as before.
Without the ability to increase font size beyond the pathetic 13 point, this entire endeavour has epic fail all over it.
Waste of time. |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:11:00 -
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Dennie Fleetfoot wrote:Without the ability to increase font size beyond the pathetic 13 point, this entire endeavour has epic fail all over it.
Waste of time.
I disagree that this is a waste. There is definite progress here. Maybe with the next generation UI they will be able to make it more dynamic and allow for more user customization of font choice and size.
Rees Noturana | Professional Treasure Hunter |
Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:31:00 -
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Instead of farting around deciding if capitals were making the client shout at you, they decided to start work on a scalable, dynamic UI, like every other game out there, then a font redesign would've been easier to implement and with better result.
Hence my waste of time assertion. I don't care what it looks like as long as it works and is readable. |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:52:00 -
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They did start on a new UI. I have no idea if it will be dynamic enough to handle more font choices but either way it isn't ready yet. Maybe we can get some dev feedback on it though.
Rees Noturana | Professional Treasure Hunter |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:54:00 -
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I can read your need fonts FAR FAR better.. I can read them from farther away, with less attention etc.
whether they look better from an artistic sense or not is a matter of debate and certainly people get familar with something and it does take an intial adjust ment..
BUT
They ARE far easier to read for me !
GREAT JOB |
Adrian Dixon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:55:00 -
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This is good news, Thank You  The old font definatly needed work I also had trouble with the number 9 in places I would sometimes mistake it for an 8 |
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I'thari
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:59:00 -
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Dennie Fleetfoot wrote:Instead of farting around deciding if capitals were making the client shout at you, they decided to start work on a scalable, dynamic UI, like every other game out there, then a font redesign would've been easier to implement and with better result.
Hence my waste of time assertion. I don't care what it looks like as long as it works and is readable. Still, it's better to have font where you can tell O from 0 despite its size (well, guess that's about it, really  ) than wait for it for another 8 years 'till they finally come to making scalable UI or whatever to properly implend new font.
Plus, (if CCP is to be belived) it might actually make loading UI faster. And I do hope it will fix chat issues with text not updating properly (which, I belive, ocasionaly returned over the years because of using older (broken) builds for some patches - might become impossible after font change... unless they screw it up and we'll have to resize all windows again 'till summer  ).
Not that it changes fact that most problems with readability come from font size rahter than font itself... |
Faith Sunstrider
Manufact Co.
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:59:00 -
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This is a good change indeed.
But, why can't we choose what font to use? Is this a technical limitation or is possible to see this option in a near future? I would love to use the simple and plain Arial or even the Comic Sans (nah, just kidding). |
Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:11:00 -
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I like difference between 1 and l, 0 and O...
BUT i realy HATE this NEW FONT!  |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:12:00 -
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I like the font.
I find the "Menu" to be more legible in the old full caps - either that's my mind or because the nature of the empty space between the letters in a tight space like that is causing a bit of a "Wave" effect. It could be because the font sits a bit high.
In terms of the font itself, I feel like it's a "tall" font. Which isn't necessarily bad, but I liked the slightly blocky nature of the old EVE Font.
It feels more crisp, which I like.
And I do think it feels Sci Fi - it feels a tiny bit "MS Terminal" for some reason, but with a tilt.
It looks a little larger, which I think most people will like - a font designed for a bigger monitor world :)
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Mr Dogg
Double-Down
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:20:00 -
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PURE AWESOME!
errrr... sorry
Pure Awesome! |
Jim Luc
Rule of Five
Ultra Vires.
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:38:00 -
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It seems a bit too thin to be honest. Make a Medium & Bold versions, using this version only for the extremely small type.
This is probably more of a UI thing, but if I'm going to play on my 60" flat panel I'll need larger fonts, so the ability to resize fonts and the UI to be elastic and reformat based on font size would be nice.  |
Bring Stabity
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:42:00 -
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So instead of near-unreadable, now it's differently unreadable.
Ok. |
Ms Freak
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:47:00 -
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Holy Crap!
Nice job CCP - Finally some changes the community want!!
No seriously - GJ  |
Javajunky
Viscosity
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:47:00 -
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+1
Props when props are due.. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:52:00 -
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it's good to see all the positive feedback here:)
CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Swearte Widfarend
Aurora Security
Transstellar Operations
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:54:00 -
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Found it a bit depressing that CCP had to hire or reassign someone to design a font. Typeface design isn't an easy thing, and the folks who do it professionally are skilled and expensive. It should have been easier to leverage existing typefaces from the OS. After all, since CCP licensed Arial anyway, that would cover 99% or more of all typographical needs in the game. Art resources spent on designing a font because of the not-invented-here syndrome?
CCP Punkturis isn't to blame on any of that, fwiw - she didn't design the font but implemented it in the UI.
The switch from all caps to actual upper and lower case text seems like a no-brainer when you get closer to a readable font. However, I agree that UI changes once foretold in a devblog should include scalable windows and fonts.
What I want to know about this, and the other devblog from yesterday, what's the timeline to Sisi and then TQ?
I'm hoping that these are not core updates for the winter expansion, but Incarna 1.2 updates that would include the conclusion of the captains quarters (to get that monkey off your back), due no later than October 2011... |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:45:00 -
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Two awesome blogs in 2 days........
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!!!
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Naomi Darson
RNA Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:47:00 -
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+1 for "would like to play EVE on their TV" crowd. In fact, that's the only computer I currently own that's really capable of playing EVE.
It'd also be nice if EVE supported 720p, I know finding a PC that is less than 1024x768 resolution is hard these days, but it's a fairly common resolution for htpc setups. My setup also does 1080p, but holy god too small. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:57:00 -
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Some feedback:
- The font seems to be a bit too condensed (at least at the size like shown in the options menu screenshot), wouldn't mind it being a bit wider.
- Please make font sizes adjustments possible for more than just context menus and chats. This would make people with high pixel density screens happy
Confirming CCP Punkturis is hot in RL and she acted as model for at least one of the char creator hair styles. |
paritybit
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:07:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:it's good to see all the positive feedback here:)
Post more so I can click the like button more times.
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WheatGrass
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:22:00 -
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WheatGrass
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:29:00 -
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I'd like the option of a fixed-width font (such as System) in my notepad please.
Thank you. |
Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:33:00 -
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I would like to qualify, so I don't sound like a complete bitter vet, that changes to the UI and font size are good and should be applauded.
I am saying however that making G look different from 6 without addressing the fundamental reason why most have problems with the font (it's too small) is like saying your solving world hunger by making sure that everyone has a barbeque set. |
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:40:00 -
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Nice step.
I have been playing Eve for the past 3 years without my glasses on. Much easier to make me lean in to read Eve Text then to suffer eye strain.
Will have to see how the font works in game to see how much of a problem the lack of font scaling will be.
This might get me logging in again. |
Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:53:00 -
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So we get a more legible font and it will boost performance at the same time? Cool.
I'm sure it will look weird at first but it won't take long for my brain to adapt.
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