because this is TOTALLY like that last event that everyone loves to say they won't forget. Good job invalidating a terrible event by equating it to a debacle in a VIDEO GAME.

Sandboxes have always had boundaries, otherwise they would just be beaches or deserts or something.

Internet spaceships is serious business.

In before The L0ck.

EVE Is real MAAAAAN! I was there MAAAAN! Well, according that video CCP made anyway.

Not really... Was the boomerang exploit emergent gameplay? How about that exploit where you webbed freighters as they were trying to insta-warp from stations? Both were clever manipulations of the game, but were still exploits.

Did people who used it have their assets seized without warning?

The best way I've seen this summarized was on another website. The person said (paraphrasing):

People warned CCP about the possibility of this before the patch went live. CCP didn't listen. Why is CCP punishing people for pointing out that they didn't listen?

There is a possibility that i might go on a killing spree, i've warned you now. Once i get a few kills and the police catches me i expect the judge to let me go free because....well, i warned ahead.

I agree - and Eve has tons of walls - the thing however is that if CCP mess a mechanic up (i.e. they set the walls wrong), people can and will exploit it. CCP then may realize it isn't working as they meant it to work and may label it an exploit.

Everyone using the mechanic after that should have the assets and isk they made that way removed - fine. Up to the point they labeled it an exploit, it's a game mechanic.

Anyone remember the ferrogel incident? CCP have been made aware of the exploit several times and never fixed it - then, they suddenly realize it and punish people for their own mistake and failure to read bug reports... Now that obviously was a bug, but the mechanic was there, was reported and was neither fixed or labeled an expoit for ages, then all of a sudden CCP swings the banhammer for their own shortcomings.

What about the margin trading scam? That's more exploitative of weird game mechanics than what goons did here - will CCP suddenly decide it's an exploit after years of leaving it untouched and seize isk retroactively?

Some words have more than one definition depending on the context.

When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Is this not a saying that is part of the Eve mantras?

Not quite. If there were a new murder law coming down the pipes, and the details were released ahead of time, and you warned the legislature of a gaping hole in the law, then when it came into effect, you waltzed through that gaping hole on a killing spree, the fact that you warned them ahead of time would be beside the point, since in RL, there's a constitutional ban on Ex Post Facto laws. But warning them ahead of time would shift a lot of moral blame onto the legislature.

Murder is illegal now. What the Jewbal did wasn't illegal when they did it.

CCP Xhagen says. "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden

June 22, 2012 Never forget.

The death of the sandbox came as innocuously as it began. A group of enterprising individuals who examine patch notes and run spreadsheets and formulas found a way to get ahead of a poorly implemented feature on an upcoming patch. The Viking Gods of CCP hf saw fit to sacrifice innovation upon the altar of expediency.

Walls slammed into place and bars were erected. "You may go this far and no further," was the message. This bold and beautiful universe we live in became much smaller.

June 22, 2012 Never forget.

If it wasn't illegal in the first place then why did they even warn ccp ?

People do that because they are afraid of the consequences that their future actions may bring....

You can polish what they did however you like, in the end the fact is that they took advantage of a loophole that wasn't intended to be used like that in the first place.


Example: If some patch gave an extra 0 by mistake to a certain module and only a couple people knew about it and they proceed to abuse that advantage knowing FULL WELL that the "extra 0" is in no way intended by the developers then its an exploit.



Kinda like "Hmmm, that can't be right, but i'll go ahead and do it anyways just to see how rich i can get before they fix it"

What the Jewbal did wasn't illegal when they did it.

People warned CCP about the possibility of this before the patch went live. CCP didn't listen. Why is CCP punishing people for pointing out that they didn't listen?

Because they noticed that a whole lot of stupid was coming down the pipes? Similar to the way Akita T pointed out the stupid that is Tech before the Moon Goo re-balancing.

People told the developers that tying LP gains into market value would lead to this situation. If there were an extra zero on something, you told CCP that that extra zero could cause problems, and they ignored it, then you have to assume that extra zero is intentional.

You are saying ccp needs to "goonproof" their patches while making everybody else wait ?

no, CCP should release content when it's finished, been tested, and is actually ready for deployment to live servers.

Are you saying that exploiting a vulnerability should be legal up and until CCP says no?

You are saying ccp needs to "goonproof" their patches while making everybody else wait ? You are also saying that silence means "yes, go ahead" ? Eve isn't only played by the "goon mentality", CCP aren't releasing new content/changes just for the "goon mentality".

[quote=Kiteo Hatto] Or maybe listening to people when they point out massive, gaping holes in their product. After all, we're not here to watch Gonzo, we're here for spaceships.