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Irulan S'Dijana Amarr S'Dijana Technologies	Posted - 2010.01.26 10:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Drunk Driver Our group intends to have us all become Klingons. They want to fly around and "gank" Federation ships. I might be wrong, but I don't think the game works that way. Actually if you are in the pvp zones it does work that way. Your group of organized birds of prey vs the carebear noobkirk blob who simply hit the pvp queue button and rolled the dice on a competant gang. Also the grouped pve is 110% zomg completely greifable though you might have to work at it to get a proper rise out of your instance mates. I haz already got a warning.. How you ask in a 100% pve setting? Welp there are quite a few ways but the easiest so far is to simply keep pausing the instance until they start ragemisspelling words in the chat. Yes you heard it here first, you can pause any instance in sto regardless of if its just you alone or a group. Needless to say I already ran out of pve content though to be fair only two zones are open atm.. wut?!? What possibly use is a pause function? And how could they possibly thing it wouldn't be abused?!? - Nobody gets rich in this business. You simply obtain new levels of relative poverty.
E Vile	Posted - 2010.01.26 12:14:00 - [92] The only "exploit" I've seen was a funny bug that you can stack evasive maneuvers with full impulse while using Ramming speed for insane crashing suicidal damage. Like 1.8 mil damage because of how ramming speed calculates damage based on speed. (Yes you can ram someone to do damage in STO. Exploding ships also do lots of damage.) Of course it's not something that will be around, but wow is it funny to try. STO is not a MMO like EVE but none of you have experienced any content other then Nublet sector. That's like judging EVE on the forge. Nothing against EVE but I just havn't had much fun in it for a couple years now. Too much political soap operas and immature back stabbing scams. CCP let people go too far scamming people. Especially when there is no NPC justice other then Concord, but they only shoot attackers in space. PVE sucks so bad in EVE it feels more like working another day job to make income to PVP in anything decent. Graphics on STO are very nice. GROUND AND SPACE both require tactics and thought to do well. PVP is a blast on both ends and has many forms, not just arena. STO is alot better then all these hate posts are claiming. Any insults on STO space controls baffles me. I HATE EVEs point and click model of control. EVE really needs to take a peak at STO ship controls because flying in STO is MUCH better then double clicking your screen. Well I've gone on long enough. You guys arn't going to be changed by my opinions, but anyone thinking of trying STO, DO IT. Don't listen to the hate. I was NOT expecting to like STO at all, but got a lucky beta key and gave it a open minded shot. STO requires more then a couple days to really experience......just like EVE. Imagine if you gave EVE such a shallow of a honest try, and judged it on just the starting area. No full loss in STO so all you sadists don't bother looking at STO. STO is NOT a sandbox as open as EVE, but it's a fun polished solid game that has been a welcomed surprise for me.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.26 14:53:00 - [93] What you see in the starter areas are what you get throughout. There is literally nothing in the game other than a choice of one out of two pvp areana matches or a borg encounter and the same old kill missions. There is nothing to hold you in the game past getting a t5 ship pimped out with purple gear.
zaphodxx	Posted - 2010.01.26 21:14:00 - [94] omg this game so rocks. yes theres still issues. irememebr when eve first came out there was plenty of issues. some took weeks or months to get ironed out. lag yeah. every onine mmo has it to various degrees. as for missions yeah i cant see doing 1million missions over the course of a year or 3,5 etc so there has to be some type of long term playing value i just subbed 2 accounts 1 forever acct 239$ and another for theyear. my bro and i have already unsubbed our 5 eve accounts just have to get out of 0.0 before we leave lol. some of the missions are driving us nuts tho. as for pvp i am sure they will hopefully tweak that as imsure that will constitute a large payer base who gets off on that kind of stuff. bout the only thing i will miss is sitting there mining. fighting is sooooo much better than eve. usually all you do do is sit there mash your missiles/guns etc,occasional rep or remote rep, jam etc. there you have all kinds of other things to do, move facing various shields towards enemy when taking damage, having multiple weaps/arcs available, etc. too bad i have to wait 3 days to play again
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.26 21:26:00 - [95] Originally by: zaphodxx omg this game so rocks. yes theres still issues. irememebr when eve first came out there was plenty of issues. some took weeks or months to get ironed out. lag yeah. every onine mmo has it to various degrees. as for missions yeah i cant see doing 1million missions over the course of a year or 3,5 etc so there has to be some type of long term playing value i just subbed 2 accounts 1 forever acct 239$ and another for theyear. my bro and i have already unsubbed our 5 eve accounts just have to get out of 0.0 before we leave lol. some of the missions are driving us nuts tho. as for pvp i am sure they will hopefully tweak that as imsure that will constitute a large payer base who gets off on that kind of stuff. bout the only thing i will miss is sitting there mining. fighting is sooooo much better than eve. usually all you do do is sit there mash your missiles/guns etc,occasional rep or remote rep, jam etc. there you have all kinds of other things to do, move facing various shields towards enemy when taking damage, having multiple weaps/arcs available, etc. too bad i have to wait 3 days to play again cool story bro.. Looks like gb2wow is now dead! Long live gb2sto! Though like the other guy who canceled wow for sto I will moast likey sub up when the entry price drops for a month or so just to dabble about with some mindless trek fun. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Regat Kozovv Caldari Alcothology	Posted - 2010.01.26 21:52:00 - [96] Originally by: zaphodxx i just subbed 2 accounts 1 forever acct 239$ and another for theyear. my bro and i have already unsubbed our 5 eve accounts just have to get out of 0.0 before we leave lol. I am so sorry... On the flip side, reading the STO forums has given me more LOLs than omgrawr.net.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.26 23:15:00 - [97] Just took part in the beta closing event andchrist, what a fail cascade.....
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.26 23:21:00 - [98] i have to say i am going to make STO my main MMO game with eve still subbed to my one pvp account in the background. STO seems a slower paced where i have actually read what the NPC are saying to me. which is different from reading the same mission text from eve saving that damsel in distress 40th time. the pve content wants to engage with you and tell you of a story. it not go kill x of these there is a reason why you are doing what your told. e.g there a mission that i had to do where a freighter ship was in trouble and was being shot and raided by pirates. The eve style of this i would say is world collide with that herron in the middle where there ship is damaged by the war that is going on around them and you been tasked to save them. eve you arrive, kill the guard of the acc gate, same again for the next 3 rooms get to the middle , move up to the broken herron , drag and drop crew into cargo hold,warp out and mission complete. STO warp to area , engage pirates. then beam on to the plasma vented firey ship with your crew, kill the boarding parties of pirates, help vent the dangerous plasma. evac engineering as the warp core is about to explode help all the crew you can that are injured beam survivors on to your ship defend the ship while the captian stops ship from the warp core blowing up. captian on board warp out. i just find sto more engaging with it PVE content and havnt felt so excited about beaming onto other ships helping the crew out to return to mine and having to divert all power to the forward sheilds because this pirate battleship wants to destroy me to beam out all the commodities on the freighter ship before it blows up. hell i found the tutorial more engaging than some of eve's PVE work TBH. combat is nicely done offering breaks from space to inner ship or ground combat.
Brayiel Seal Clubbers	Posted - 2010.01.26 23:35:00 - [99] Another exploit, outside of combat, so say you just killed an enemy, 10 seconds or whatever after their death you are flagged out of combat. Fire up things like your engy ability, shields etc. anything to get you back in top shape then reassign your crew mate and back again and you have magially cleared the ability cooldown timer. You'll have to wait an extra 8 seconds or so but beats 45 seconds.
armas Gallente Seren Research	Posted - 2010.01.26 23:54:00 - [100] Originally by: Armoured C STO warp to area , engage pirates. then beam on to the plasma vented firey ship with your crew, kill the boarding parties of pirates, help vent the dangerous plasma. evac engineering as the warp core is about to explode help all the crew you can that are injured beam survivors on to your ship defend the ship while the captian stops ship from the warp core blowing up. captian on board warp out. You make it sound very cool and engaging but in reality you just run up to the characters and objects that are flashing and press f. I'm not arguing that Eve missions are better, they're ****house, everyone knows that. That being said, I wish you all the best.
zaphodxx	Posted - 2010.01.27 00:05:00 - [101] hehe speaking of wow i unsubbed both the accounts i have also. the only other game i will be playing besides sto will be a f2p game that i play with my wife, shes not into flying mmo's
Reiisha Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:07:00 - [102] And here i was, being worried about how STO might steal away some people from EVE. As it stands, EVE is a much better Star Trek game than STO is. And i am so not kidding. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2010.01.27 14:28:00 - [103] I'm gonna keep my EVE Subscription (only ever had one account, it's enough for little old me)... but I have a life-time account with STO as well, so that's kind of... ambivalent.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.27 17:20:00 - [104] Originally by: Reiisha And here i was, being worried about how STO might steal away some people from EVE. As it stands, EVE is a much better Star Trek game than STO is. And i am so not kidding. Gotta agree with you. Not that STO isn't fun, cause it is, it does a decent job of stealing the space combat from starfleet command ( my all time favorite combat game, go borg sphere gooooo ) and the missions are pretty interesting. It's definetly as casual/carebear as a MMO can get. And even the term MMO is strechting it a bit. Cause it's got more in common with Guild Wars then any real MMO. The only real annoyance I have with it is that you need a macro just to be able to play ( pressing space every second for hours isn't my idea of fun ) Thought real long and hard about a lifetime sub, been subbing to eve for over 6 years now so... but it won't last that long and stay entertaining. If you want interesting strategic space combat that does a decent job of ripping of starfleet command with a nice graphic lobby for all those interesting instances and arenas it's the game for you. If not, stick to EVE>
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.01.27 17:42:00 - [105] Originally by: Armoured C Edited by: Armoured C on 26/01/2010 23:29:19 i have to say i am going to make STO my main MMO game with eve still subbed to my one pvp account in the background. I dare say this is the best part of STO ever. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:58:00 - [106] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Armoured C Edited by: Armoured C on 26/01/2010 23:29:19 i have to say i am going to make STO my main MMO game with eve still subbed to my one pvp account in the background. I dare say this is the best part of STO ever. ill miss you to
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.27 20:07:00 - [107] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Armoured C Edited by: Armoured C on 26/01/2010 23:29:19 i have to say i am going to make STO my main MMO game with eve still subbed to my one pvp account in the background. I dare say this is the best part of STO ever. ill miss you to Does .noir. miss you? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.01.28 14:51:00 - [108] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Armoured C Edited by: Armoured C on 26/01/2010 23:29:19 i have to say i am going to make STO my main MMO game with eve still subbed to my one pvp account in the background. I dare say this is the best part of STO ever. ill miss you to Just be careful out there. The game devs are charging for subscription, for expansions and for content added through patches in their other MMO, that is notorious for lack of content. Nobody deserves to get robbed like that, so keep an eye on your wallet. They might pick your pockets clean if you aren't careful. Have fun while you're there
Machanara Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.01.28 16:52:00 - [109] Notice not one soul here mentioned the Klingon side of the game. They advertised them as a full faction for well over a year and all theyget at release are arena pvp maps that hold 20 people MAX. And as for the Fed.....I really don;t see how much fun it will be 2 months down the road when the ONLY things you do are ....warp to system, kill x number of mobs....beam down to planet....kill x number of mobs.....beam back to ship...kill x number of mobs...leave. Rinse and repeat x10(100)time. THIS is all STO is.....I did the beta. There is NOTHING more to this game than what I described above. Its a f*cking joke. Not to mention every damn thing is instanced to death. No form of community at all...not in the slightest. This game will last 6 months TOPS. I like Star Trek as much as the next person. But this game is really embarrassing for that IP. It really is.
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.01.28 16:59:00 - [110] Originally by: Gariuys The only real annoyance I have with it is that you need a macro just to be able to play ( pressing space every second for hours isn't my idea of fun ) You know if you right click the phaser Icons they are set to autofire, and only need to hit space once when first attacking an enemy. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2010.01.28 23:36:00 - [111] you can only have two weapons ports set to autofire. one fore, and one aft... which can become a problem when you get into the bigger ships... having to hit spacebar every 2 seconds gets old, fast. thankfully I found a bug.. which may or may not still be possible. right-click all your weapons really fast and they'll all get set to autofire. lag is a factor in getting this to work. sad part is.. shooting more than two guns at once decreases your weapon energy. and the lower that energy is, the less damage your weapons do (my weapons normally did around 200-300 damage, when low on energy, they did around 20-30). so ... setting all weapons to autofire could ultimately be suicide. same can, and is, said for people who just mindlessly spam spacebar at all times. also.. obviously NEVER set your photon torpedoes on autofire. people will point and laugh at you. (reason: they do next to zero damage to sheids. and when a shield goes down, they generally only stay truly down for about a second or two before they start regenerating.. just a little tiny bit of shields on the enemy's side where your torp hits basically nullifies it. so you want to time it yourself at all times).
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.01.28 23:57:00 - [112] Originally by: Karma you can only have two weapons ports set to autofire. one fore, and one aft... which can become a problem when you get into the bigger ships... having to hit spacebar every 2 seconds gets old, fast. thankfully I found a bug.. which may or may not still be possible. right-click all your weapons really fast and they'll all get set to autofire. lag is a factor in getting this to work. sad part is.. shooting more than two guns at once decreases your weapon energy. and the lower that energy is, the less damage your weapons do (my weapons normally did around 200-300 damage, when low on energy, they did around 20-30). so ... setting all weapons to autofire could ultimately be suicide. same can, and is, said for people who just mindlessly spam spacebar at all times. also.. obviously NEVER set your photon torpedoes on autofire. people will point and laugh at you. (reason: they do next to zero damage to sheids. and when a shield goes down, they generally only stay truly down for about a second or two before they start regenerating.. just a little tiny bit of shields on the enemy's side where your torp hits basically nullifies it. so you want to time it yourself at all times). I went the Science wessel route, so I only used for and aft phasers, but yeah, setting them to autofire was good enough. I suppose it is a problem with bigger vessels. I would also like to be able to fire individual phasers at multiple ships, like on target fore and a second one aft. But thats probably going to be more difficult to control and its obviously why on a Star Ship the pilot shouldn't also be aiming and firing the weapons at the same time. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.29 09:35:00 - [113] Originally by: Xen Gin I suppose it is a problem with bigger vessels. I went with a rack of torps on my cruiser because there are just too many phazers to manage
Midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.29 10:01:00 - [114] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Xen Gin I suppose it is a problem with bigger vessels. I went with a rack of torps on my cruiser because there are just too many phazers to manage press space, fires all lasers, or link them with a right click so the yauto repeat ;) -----------------------------------------------
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.29 10:12:00 - [115] Originally by: Midge Mo'yb Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Xen Gin I suppose it is a problem with bigger vessels. I went with a rack of torps on my cruiser because there are just too many phazers to manage press space, fires all lasers, or link them with a right click so the yauto repeat ;) Can only get 2 of em to auto fire man.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.01.29 10:32:00 - [116] STO seems alright for a single player game. Only missing the "quick save" feature, which I expect will be coming in an (paid) expansion soon. Of course you might enjoy it during the first couple of days/hours, but is it really a MMO you could imagine to play (and pay) for over months? If STO manages to do great I will be impressed, but if it shut down I wonder if we will see a new immigration to EVE. I still remember with fondness the E&B and SWG:NGE immigrations. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2010.01.29 15:15:00 - [117] they just wiped their forum. and thank Our New Overlords for that, it was getting ridiculously spammed.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.29 15:42:00 - [118] my bad
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.01.29 16:40:00 - [119] Originally by: Xen Gin I went the Science wessel route, Can you tell us where the nuclear wessels are?
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2010.01.29 16:51:00 - [120] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Xen Gin I went the Science wessel route, Can you tell us where the nuclear wessels are? he obviously meant science and nuclear Weasels.

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