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Hippopotamus Rex
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Posted - 2010.01.24 02:11:00 -
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Perhaps I'm going to look like a fool later, but I'm think there's a very good chance Riethe means this.
Perhaps he doesn't actually feel remorse (I'm not saying he doesn't though) and he's just saying all that because its what people want to hear, but I think he might actually be giving up scamming. I don't see the point of this otherwise.
If he tries for a big scam anytime soon, this will look like bull**** and it won't work (don't take this as a challenge though, Riethe  . If he tries a series of smaller scams, it will come out eventually, and do you really think he's doing all this to make a billion or two?
And i don't think its likely he'll be "honest" with this toon, and start another to scam with. I think its pretty obvious that in the past, scamming wasn't just about the ISK to him. I think recognition-less scamming would be unappealing to him (even if he hadn't changed his opinion about it).
And if this is just to see if he can convince us he's changed and then laugh about it, well thats kind of odd. I don't think that it would be difficult to convince me, so thats not much of an accomplishment.
Anyways, I for one am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Whether he regrets it or not, as long as he stops scamming I'd be happy. Trusting him with ISK is another matter, but I don't think thats what he wants.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.01.24 02:19:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Riethe
You've never felt strongly about something, and had it shown to you in different light and felt completely different about it?
You can quote ANYTHING you want from me in the past... How does that change what I feel now? Of course in that instance my line of thinking would be to just start fresh.
But then again I never realized the damage I was inflicting. I justified it internally and a I always found a balance. But that balance was unrealistic and selfish. It was hurtful to others.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking against you paying back your scams, infact it would be nice if you start by paying your most recent scammed customers. Those with fresh records that do not need a post to remember. I've seen no one paid back yet and it takes less time than posting here. If you want to redeem yourself you have no need for discussions but for actions. Post how many millions have you reimbursed till now and to whom. How many isk do you have to pay people? If you feel what you did was wrong just pay instead of talk. Not because you can not talk, but because words are meaningless in this case until proven. If you want to repair the damage because you were lying to yourself and you think is the right thing to do, just do it instead of looking for the approval of the people. If those are not the reasons follow your words because It seems to be a lot less effort that way. I put your words there to remember until I see what is what you actually DO. Pay or go. Your rep is blasted anyways and it is pointless doing it for that. Do this for yourself, not other people, stop discussing and take actions, until then we are all good assuming it's not for real.
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Expleo
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Posted - 2010.01.24 02:24:00 -
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Let's see what happens... If the money is returned I will post with a screenshot of the deposit
Decoded: 600mil
Chatlogs etc:
http://www.eve-scam.com/scam.php?id=1
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1237929/page/1#7
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Pulivin Motic
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.24 02:27:00 -
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Riethe you never scammed me but can I have some random 60 mill it would be very helpful for a noob like me.
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Brian Murphy
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Posted - 2010.01.24 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Although I may not have intended any harm, I did a great deal of harm. I believed when I started this problem, this crime, that it would be something I would be able to work my way out of, but that became impossible. As hard as I tried, the deeper I dug myself into a hole. I made a terrible mistake, but it wasn't the kind of mistake that I had made time and time again, which is a trading mistake. In my business, when you make a trading error, you're expected to make a trading error, it's accepted. My error was much more serious. I made an error of judgment. I refused to accept the fact, could not accept the fact, that for once in my life I failed. I couldn't admit that failure and that was a tragic mistake.
I feel terrible that an industry I spent my life trying to improve is being criticized terribly now, that regulators who I helped work with over the years are being criticized by what I have done. That is a horrible guilt to live with. There is nothing I can do that will make anyone feel better for the pain and suffering I caused them, but I will live with this pain, with this torment for the rest of my life. I apologize to my victims. I will turn and face you. I am sorry. I know that doesn't help you.
Nice speech, but i have seen better...
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
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Posted - 2010.01.24 02:47:00 -
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Erah
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Posted - 2010.01.24 03:23:00 -
[37]
well you can start by buying back those RHCRP shares, with interest of course
what was it? 1M each, 15% minimum per month, about 25 months ago?
so i guess 4.75M per share :)
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TooFatToFish
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Posted - 2010.01.24 04:29:00 -
[38]
I too have scammed way too much isk, to cleanse myself of this guilt I will be giving all of the isk back. To claim your isk send me any amount and I will send you 5x back until my wallet shows zero!
On a serious note, waaaaaaaahhh
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.24 06:02:00 -
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Hey Riethe,
I really hope you mean all of this, for yourself as has been pointed out.Repaying all the ISK you've stolen, if that's possible, is a good way to do it.
You know that no one in this community will trust you, so it's got to be for you. That's the way Eve and the anonymity of the forums is all about. If I knew you as a person, both before when you were scamming/lying, and now, it would (usually) be easier to judge. As it is, on the internet, your words here look just as truthful as then, so it's impossible to judge. Similar to the reasons why I figured that it is impossible for serious debate to occur on (mostly) unmoderated internet forums.
Let me make this clear. We won't trust you with our ISK (well, the truly dense might). You won't be trusted in a position of authority (a.k.a. channel mod). But as long as ISK is never requested, you might be tolerated in the community. Personally, I think that's the extent that is possible to go with this character. If it were any other one-time scam it might be different, but you've shown yourself to be deceptive on multiple levels on many occasions, so if you're looking for trust, I don't think you'll get it.
Taking your post purely at naive face value, though, I say kudos. I don't hate liars; I just hate the lies, and the people that tell them.  Okay, tbh, I had been waiting for a good time to use that line. 
Originally by: Akita T
BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.01.24 07:04:00 -
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ahhaha what a load of crap
this is just step one in his "biggest scam ever", that starts by convincing eveyrone the old Riethe is dead. "The greatest trick the Devil ever played, was convincing people he didn't exist." Right? Psshaw.
If even one person "forgives" him and buys into this load of crap, then he'll see it as a "win". If, God forbid, anyone dares to trust him ever again with anything ..... then that person has got to be the biggest idiot of them all.
Message to Riethe: You're dead. Dead to MD. Dead to those you scammed and those who you didn't (but who know). You have 2 choices: Revel in your scam identity and hang with people who think its cool (hell, try to scam them too for bonus points). Or biomass.
But this whole "i've come clean" schtick is just making you look pathetic.
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Dagny Bronstein
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Posted - 2010.01.24 09:19:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Riethe
Emphasizing the fact that if I steal money from one person, and give portions of it to other people, more people are made happy than are made sad.
inter-personal comparisons of utility are (sadly) bound to fail - yet they can be used as justification of all kind of fun things
Originally by: Riethe
I'm so sorry.
The funny thing is that I simultaneously believe the emotions displayed in your post and yet see it as a barely concealed attempt to create a comprehensive listing of all your successful scams.
So you're going to pay back the victims of your scams, spend a few weeks to regain respect in those parts of the "community" you want to have access to and then ... you get fed up with all these cosmorays, McCormacks, RAWs, etc and their self-righteous morality, you see blatantly obvious scam-offerings being posted in MD and all the lemmings running happily towards the cliff making the same mistakes over and over, and you have to ask yourself "why did I ever bow before this accumulation of arrogance, greed and plain stupidity? Why should I protect them from their own simplemindedness?" and why submit yourself to the endless grind of running laughably-sized offerings with dead-boring business plans just to gain the respect of some bunch of internet hypocrites?
good luck, you're certainly going to have fun ^^
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Fat Uncle
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Posted - 2010.01.24 09:20:00 -
[42]
Sounds like someone finally got laid.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.24 09:21:00 -
[43]
if serious then more power to ya.
otherwise, and tbh this sounds more plausible to me. It would be intresting to find out if it would be possible to regain positive standings with md, how much work wold be involved and last but not least would the nett result in isk be positive, 0 or negative.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.24 11:54:00 -
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I've always felt my scamming was justifiable as long as I gave some of the money back to different people. I thought if I made some people happy, it would outweigh the pain another person would feel from being scammed.
After all the recent events that have taken place, I'm starting to realize how this line of thinking in no way compensates for the damage I have done and the people I have hurt. Because of my actions, I am completely unable to participate in channels that I enjoy, or even take a role of responsibility in a place I care for. In fact, people don't even believe I can care for other people, because of the mistakes I've made. It's a terrible feeling to see someone write that about you.
There's Ji Sama who sometimes makes up some silly competition (i.e. the first to reply to this: < insert here easy thing > gets 10-20-50M).
Someone answers and they get the money (I got 50M like that). They will be as happy to Ji Sama as they would be with you minus the fact that Ji Sama did not make other people unhappy.
Since at least one person does that (and in the past there were others), then it's possible.
If you are into this kind of acts, just play nice like Ji Sama and you'll get the effect you want AND people will respect you AND no one will be hurt AND you'll be seen as some generous man, not like a thief who flips money.
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Anyways, I for one am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
There's a simple way to determine what's going on: either he gives the stolen stuff back or he doesn't. The rest is cheap hot air.
Once he repaid everyone, then he can start talking. In any case it's to be a rough way, worse than EBANK's.
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.01.24 12:10:00 -
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Feeling sorry for yourself is not the same as feeling sorry.
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
C0LD Fusion
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Posted - 2010.01.24 12:25:00 -
[46]
Have shares in 'Riethe's Holding Corp' which I paid 500mill for.
If ISK is returned, I'll post here and you will have my full forgiveness.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.01.24 15:15:00 -
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Riethe refunded half of the 400m I invested in RHC (in my early days, before I started promoting audits) because he thought I had a sense of humour. I will consider the debt settled if the other 200m is returned.
That particular scam was one of the reasons I took up auditing, and a period followed that saw quite a lot of successful ventures (as well as plenty that didn't stand up to scrutiny and never really got started).
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Kit Lowa
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Posted - 2010.01.24 15:32:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Kit Lowa on 24/01/2010 15:32:08
lol Riethe, why you don't just create a new char is beyond me. There is a good reason that scam chars tend to get bio-massed as soon as they've been used.
I enjoy our little chats but I would never trust you with anything. I also think that giving you a position of authority or importance is wrong because it lends you an aura of respectability.
Oh, and if you're returning investments then I lost 900 mil to your original RHCRP scam. However, if you do pay me back, I have to wonder where that cash came from. Some other sucker presumably...
The fact is, regardless of what you do, Riethe will never be accepted by most people here.
(This is actually Ambo...)
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Ambo
I've Got Nothing
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Posted - 2010.01.24 15:39:00 -
[49]
Confirming Kit Lowa is me.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.24 15:39:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Kit Lowa
There is a good reason that scam chars tend to get bio-massed as soon as they've been used.
Do remember that character recycling for whatever purpose is actually against the rules.
Also, the sheer amount of people who's falling right into the trap is nothing short of amusing. This post is nothing but a way for Riethe to inflate his ego by seeing how many he has actually scammed. You're nothing but writing the "history" like Riethe wants it.
It's simply stunning how people seem to accept becoming spineless tools in order to gain back a loss that occurred long time ago.
I'd like to be proved wrong and see Riethe pay back people.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.24 15:53:00 -
[51]
Lavista has forbidden me to post in this thread :(
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.24 15:54:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Lavista has forbidden me to post in this thread :(
No?
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.01.24 15:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Lavista has forbidden me to post in this thread :(
But that doesn't mean I can't alt post
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Treelox
Amarr
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.24 16:20:00 -
[54]
You've scammed me out of my time, in reading all your banal post full of self aggrandizement. Your continous post full of bovine scatology and mental masterbation, have cost me Time, and my Time is PRICELESS.
Please feel free to forward the complete contents of all your characters wallets to me at your earliest convience.
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2010.01.24 17:02:00 -
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I, for one, am glad to see this post. If you ever want to make it up me, send me my 1.1bil back  ... I understand if you won't, and I've come to accept that the money is gone forever, but one can still hope, right?
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.24 18:25:00 -
[56]
Originally by: SetrakDark
Originally by: Ji Sama
Lavista has forbidden me to post in this thread :(
But that doesn't mean I can't alt post
lol AND rofl 
Originally by: Akita T
BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.24 18:32:00 -
[57]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Also, the sheer amount of people who's falling right into the trap is nothing short of amusing.
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It's simply stunning how people seem to accept becoming spineless tools in order to gain back a loss that occurred long time ago.
I'd like to be proved wrong and see Riethe pay back people.
Same reason they keep thinking they'll get their money out of EBank. In fact, they even become spineless tools, forking over APIs, etc, in order to gain back a loss that occured long time ago.
Kind of ironic, don't you think?
But then, this isn't an EBank thread.
Originally by: Akita T
BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.01.24 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Also, the sheer amount of people who's falling right into the trap is nothing short of amusing.
[...]
It's simply stunning how people seem to accept becoming spineless tools in order to gain back a loss that occurred long time ago.
I'd like to be proved wrong and see Riethe pay back people.
Same reason they keep thinking they'll get their money out of EBank. In fact, they even become spineless tools, forking over APIs, etc, in order to gain back a loss that occured long time ago.
Kind of ironic, don't you think?
But then, this isn't an EBank thread.
Could we please not derail the thread and keep our focus on the pain and suffer riethe is facing in these troubling times of self reflection.
Thank you
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Letias
Caldari
JAFA Trade and Manufacturing Cooperative
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Posted - 2010.01.24 19:55:00 -
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Hey buddy, as you know you scammed me, I have 3k shares i would love you to buy back :)
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Originally by: Damini Frostmane
Sex isn't sex unless one of you is crying afterwards :-)
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Vazara
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Posted - 2010.01.24 20:07:00 -
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If he pays it back, he pays it back. It's funny how many of you are taking it personal and accusing him of another scam. He can't reach into your wallet and take another investment, so it's really about righting wrongs. Someone that does have a history like his, automatically ruins any chance of running off with more money, regardless if he pays it all back.
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