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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.23 20:21:00 -
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Earlier this morning I was in the middle of replying to a post made by Roguehalo.
This is the post in question:
 Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Lena Cakelicious
I've seen that happen quiet frequently lately.. what's happening to MD? where's all the cynism?
I give people 90mil randomly all of the time. It's easy to write off
Specially if you stole it in the first place 
My response was pretty short: Emphasizing the fact that if I steal money from one person, and give portions of it to other people, more people are made happy than are made sad. And this has how it has always been for me.
I've always felt my scamming was justifiable as long as I gave some of the money back to different people. I thought if I made some people happy, it would outweigh the pain another person would feel from being scammed.
After all the recent events that have taken place, I'm starting to realize how this line of thinking in no way compensates for the damage I have done and the people I have hurt. Because of my actions, I am completely unable to participate in channels that I enjoy, or even take a role of responsibility in a place I care for. In fact, people don't even believe I can care for other people, because of the mistakes I've made. It's a terrible feeling to see someone write that about you.
As a result of all of the recent developments, I realized that scamming is not something I can do anymore. Besides the fact that it directly impacts people detrimentally, it also prevents me from participating on the forums and providing input in threads and actually have my voice heard.
Any attempt to be honest or straight-forward in my posting is shot down and claimed to just be more lies. I've never thought of myself as a liar, only as performing tasks in and out of game to earn money. But never dishonest when speaking of myself or the things I cared about. But I realize now, it's only a matter of semantics, and I was just forcing myself to believe something that was untrue.
I know I can never truly recover from such a deep hole I've dug for myself, but I can only begin to take small steps toward proving I would much rather be seen as a contributing member of the community, rather than some kind of leech that only lurks around to steal.
The first steps in the process will be repaying all of those that I have wronged. The process will not be immediate, as a lot of liquidation of personal assets will have to take place. I will also likely be taking a very large private loan out from a friend.
Obviously the direction of the thread cannot be controlled, but I'd like primarily for the discussion of the thread to focus on other efforts I can focus my energy toward to continue on the path of recovery.
If you have been scammed by me:
Please, post in the thread, preferably with the character that was scammed, what sum of ISK (or rough estimation of the value of assets that were stolen at the time), and any evidence to help prove the authenticity of your claim. (Either a post showing your investment of shares, or a chat log, or screenshot, or anything.)
Obviously the hope is that anyone who claims they were scammed by me is not making it up, but as seen with Curzon's Dax payback, it's easy to lose track of who lost what, and it'd be best if information is provided on an individual basis.
Please, understand that this is a genuine effort on my part to recover from the past mistakes I've made. I genuinely do realize I've wronged many people and would much rather be seen in more positive light.
Any ideas or thoughts are welcome.
I'm so sorry.
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Soldis
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.23 20:27:00 -
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I am one of your victims. I still have night tremors about it. Please send 1.8 billion isk to Soldis.
Let's start the healing.
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.01.23 20:27:00 -
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scam
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Janiries Swordhand
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Posted - 2010.01.23 20:36:00 -
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Hi Everybody,
I'm sorry I scammed y'all and I really want to be everybody's friends again. So, what I'm going to do is give your isk back, but its tied up in Ebank right now. Having said that, if you want to get your isk back, I will need 50m in order to pay off high level BoD member which will of course be added to the total isk to be returned to you.
Thanks,
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Molly Mirrions
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Posted - 2010.01.23 20:46:00 -
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oh comon. riethe give me 10 mirrion.
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Abigail Revizor
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Posted - 2010.01.23 20:47:00 -
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This should be deleted. I didn't even bother reading what you had to say, because once you are known as a scammer you will always be known as a scammer.
Send your char to the grinder and start anew. Nobody is going to trust you, that is unless they are intoxicated and/or blind.
Sorry to be a troll but there is no point in trying to be liked by the MD again.
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ginlaan
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:00:00 -
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"Curzon's Dax payback"
Yea when did that happen?
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Tesal
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tesal on 23/01/2010 21:05:26
Biomass your character if you feel so bad. This is not a game where an apology will be accepted. You are what you are, you did what you did. Now you have to role play being a criminal. That's fine. Part of the game too. HTFU
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Originally by: Molly Mirrions
oh comon. riethe give me 10 mirrion.
You spelled your name wrong, it should be Morry Mirrions. 
never stop posting...with alts.
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Hippopotamus Rex
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:06:00 -
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I'm skeptical about this. And I even if I come around to believing it, I'm not sure I would ever trust you with ISK (just to be on the safe side).
BUT, if this is sincere, this is a nice gesture Riethe. I hope you keep it up.
And just in case this is sincere, I don't think people believe that you are incapable of caring - or at least its not the majority opinion. Everyone cares about something, and I'm sure there are lots of people you care for and probably wouldn't scam, I'll just never be certain who they are even if you tell me.
But either way, this is a good post for you. If you're just trolling, congrats, this is a very good "apology". And if you're sincere, then congrats, this is a very good apology.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:11:00 -
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Where's the catch?
In the short time I have been playing I have seen that Riethe has an ulterior motive for almost everything he does. Whether it's a grab for attention or a lead-up to something bigger.
It will be interesting to see what comes of this, but after what I have seen, I won't be holding my breath.
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Grozen
Caldari
Beacon Institute and Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:12:00 -
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Actions speak more then words if you are really sorry return all that you've stolen.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:17:00 -
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Riethe, I am one of the people who considers you a thief and a liar, which is why I never take any notice of your posts. Until now.
The cynical part of me does not believe you now. The other side of me hopes you are serious. However, actions speak louder than words, so I will reserve judgement until you take action to repay those you stole from. These additional actions would be appropriate:
1. Cancel your proposed bond offering.
2. Post the names of all your alts here, including inactive accounts, biomassed characters, and those you have sold.
3. Submit to a full audit from VV of all your characters.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:26:00 -
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OMG I was just about to show a buddy of mine eve-scam.com...
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Molly Mirrions
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:28:00 -
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riethe, don't listen to these douches. continue your ways. roll an alt for MD.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:36:00 -
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I think Riethe wrote an excellent post.
If we need to look at this from a pragmatic view, what could Riethe do to repay the community?
I know for a fact that people can change, and people do change.
But the person must be willing to commit to that change.
I am not saying we should trust Riethe with billions of ISK; however I see no reason to exclude him from the community if he promise to stop scamming.
It is impossible for him to repay everything he has stolen, however to make up for that;I propose a thought of community service, similar to the one he was already supposed to be doing in the SCC-Lounge.
I am actually glad that Riethe saw that his ways could not be justified because of a game mechanic.
And I believe him when he says he has changed.
:)
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GD's Alt
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:38:00 -
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you scammed me about 500mil. Not a big sum but it did ruin my day. I would love it back. Send to this character
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: GD's Alt
you scammed me about 500mil. Not a big sum but it did ruin my day. I would love it back. Send to this character
scam
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:41:00 -
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All I can say is that my life is pretty plain
I like watching the puddles gather rain
And all I can do is just pour some tea for two
And speak my point of view
But it's not sane, it's not sane
I just want someone to say to me no, oh, oh, oh
I'll always be there when you wake, yea-ah
You know I'd like to keep my cheeks dry today
So stay with me and I'll have it made
And I don't understand why I sleep all day
And I start to complain that there's no rain
And all I can do is read a book to stay awake
And it rips my life away, but it's a great escape
Escape......escape......escape......
All I can say is that my life is pretty plain
You don't like my point of view
You think that I'm insane
It's not sane, It's not sane
I just want someone to say to me no, oh, oh, oh
I'll always be there when you wake, yea-ah
You know I'd like to keep my cheeks dry today
So stay with me and I'll have it made
And I'll have it made
And I'll have it made, oh
Lord no no
You know I'm really gonna, really gonna have it made
You know I'll have it made
Ahhh, ahhh, ahhh, ahhh
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.01.23 21:55:00 -
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If you are sincere, then great!
One way to demonstrate your sincerity would be to repay your most recent victims first -- such as the ones you used to document on eve-scam.com. Having them confirm their refunds here would go a long way to showing you were sincere -- but there will be lingering doubts until older victims also confirm repayment.
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Sethanie Lecrosis
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Posted - 2010.01.23 22:47:00 -
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I would find it hiliarous if he did post his alt info and we find out he's comsoray or someone.. =) (And Jk to you Cosmo)
Good luck with your atonement. At least the tone of your apology was hitting the right cord with me.
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Veevi Fenikusu
Minmatar
TETN
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Posted - 2010.01.23 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Katiana Swan
Where's the catch?
In the short time I have been playing I have seen that Riethe has an ulterior motive for almost everything he does. Whether it's a grab for attention or a lead-up to something bigger.
It will be interesting to see what comes of this, but after what I have seen, I won't be holding my breath.
This. I can't believe some of you even consider this as a sincere apology.
Originally by: Riethe
Because of my actions, I am completely unable to participate in channels that I enjoy, or even take a role of responsibility in a place I care for. In fact, people don't even believe I can care for other people, because of the mistakes I've made. It's a terrible feeling to see someone write that about you.
I'm quite sure you're smart enough to know this would have happened in advance, you were well aware of what the consequences of your scamming were going to be, no matter how you much try to present it.
Originally by: Riethe
I've always felt my scamming was justifiable as long as I gave some of the money back to different people. I thought if I made some people happy, it would outweigh the pain another person would feel from being scammed.
I've now returned to the game and plan to continue earning my ISK by stealing from others.
Originally by: Eve-scam.com
The fact that scamming is allowable within EVE makes it very enjoyable for me.
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I've now returned to the game and plan to continue earning my ISK by stealing from others.
Where exactly on your site are the statements of you playing robin hood?
Whatever you're trying, I find it pathethic that people still try to give you a chance.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.23 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Veevi Fenikusu
Originally by: Riethe
I've always felt my scamming was justifiable as long as I gave some of the money back to different people. I thought if I made some people happy, it would outweigh the pain another person would feel from being scammed.
I've now returned to the game and plan to continue earning my ISK by stealing from others.
Originally by: Eve-scam.com
The fact that scamming is allowable within EVE makes it very enjoyable for me.
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I've now returned to the game and plan to continue earning my ISK by stealing from others.
Where exactly on your site are the statements of you playing robin hood?
Whatever you're trying, I find it pathethic that people still try to give you a chance.
When I wrote up EVE Scam, I definitely did feel that way. New developments and circumstances have made me realize how wrong my actions were.
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Roguehalo
Caldari
Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.23 23:50:00 -
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Gotta love sociopaths
Did decoded get his 600m back yet btw?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.24 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
I'm so sorry.
Good joke.
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Sebastian Mourtos
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Posted - 2010.01.24 00:56:00 -
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lol... sure I'll play along..
I have 100 shares of "Riethe's Holding Corp" in my wallet - how do you want to buy them back ?
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Lord Windu
Echelon Solutions
Echelon.
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Posted - 2010.01.24 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sebastian Mourtos
lol... sure I'll play along..
I have 100 shares of "Riethe's Holding Corp" in my wallet - how do you want to buy them back ?
If you want I can be the secure third party share broker for the transaction, contact me in-game.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.01.24 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
I do not want to gain back trust from MD. I'm not changing my ways.
I am what I am and if for some reason I decide I don't like it anymore, I can just start over as a different person. It seems to be a lot less effort that way.
EVE is fun like this, so that's not likely ever going to happen.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.24 01:12:00 -
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You've never felt strongly about something, and had it shown to you in different light and felt completely different about it?
You can quote ANYTHING you want from me in the past... How does that change what I feel now? Of course in that instance my line of thinking would be to just start fresh.
But then again I never realized the damage I was inflicting. I justified it internally and a I always found a balance. But that balance was unrealistic and selfish. It was hurtful to others.
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Felly Alohas
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Posted - 2010.01.24 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
You've never felt strongly about something, and had it shown to you in different light and felt completely different about it?
You can quote ANYTHING you want from me in the past... How does that change what I feel now? Of course in that instance my line of thinking would be to just start fresh.
But then again I never realized the damage I was inflicting. I justified it internally and a I always found a balance. But that balance was unrealistic and selfish. It was hurtful to others.
yo ho Riethe
me thinks your only choise is Seppuku.
biomass yourself and then start a new char called "New Riethe"
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Torncuff Lookout
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Posted - 2010.01.24 01:50:00 -
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Can I haz your stuffz? Or at least some of MY stuffz back?
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