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Illegal	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:13:00 - [91] Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 15:22:24 Alliance ?? as who ?? .... (Im not in an alliance btw) My post was to the poster saying they were uncompleteable ..... when they clearly are not The bouncing issue is a bug which will be fixed, are you telling me that when you can gang warp in they are still impossible ?? Because they are not The muppet remark hurt my feelings if it was aimed at me, Im gonna cry By alliance I meant corp. And yes the muppet remark was aimed at you. Instead of crying you could stop posting the obvious.
Illegal	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:13:00 - [92] Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 15:22:24 Alliance ?? as who ?? .... (Im not in an alliance btw) My post was to the poster saying they were uncompleteable ..... when they clearly are not The bouncing issue is a bug which will be fixed, are you telling me that when you can gang warp in they are still impossible ?? Because they are not The muppet remark hurt my feelings if it was aimed at me, Im gonna cry By alliance I meant corp. And yes the muppet remark was aimed at you. Instead of crying you could stop posting the obvious.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:20:00 - [93] Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 16:24:33 Why does what corp you are in have anything to do with things ?? I wasnt replying to anything you had said as your post seemed ok, if you think they are too hard even for 2 or more people then so be it. I merely stated that in my experience 2 people were easily able to do a level 4 mission, probably not all of them which I find an excellent change. This thread was started saying they are not ALL soloable Maybe if you think they are too hard (refrain myself from saying whining) you should try getting some corp mates to help you. Calling corp members muppets on forums make you feel cool though ?? Thanks So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:20:00 - [94] Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 16:24:33 Why does what corp you are in have anything to do with things ?? I wasnt replying to anything you had said as your post seemed ok, if you think they are too hard even for 2 or more people then so be it. I merely stated that in my experience 2 people were easily able to do a level 4 mission, probably not all of them which I find an excellent change. This thread was started saying they are not ALL soloable Maybe if you think they are too hard (refrain myself from saying whining) you should try getting some corp mates to help you. Calling corp members muppets on forums make you feel cool though ?? Thanks So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
JimmySav	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:36:00 - [95] all abuse aside, you really do need to be able to gang warp to mission bookmarks, cos they are not meant to be solo.... But if you can't bring your gang they are solo.... thanx CCP! IN fact I'll even start my own thread about the gang warp thing.... plz support it Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
JimmySav	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:36:00 - [96] all abuse aside, you really do need to be able to gang warp to mission bookmarks, cos they are not meant to be solo.... But if you can't bring your gang they are solo.... thanx CCP! IN fact I'll even start my own thread about the gang warp thing.... plz support it Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
Illegal	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:52:00 - [97] Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 16:24:33 Why does what corp you are in have anything to do with things ?? I wasnt replying to anything you had said as your post seemed ok, if you think they are too hard even for 2 or more people then so be it. I merely stated that in my experience 2 people were easily able to do a level 4 mission, probably not all of them which I find an excellent change. This thread was started saying they are not ALL soloable Maybe if you think they are too hard (refrain myself from saying whining) you should try getting some corp mates to help you. Calling corp members muppets on forums make you feel cool though ?? Thanks Well I just asumed you wouldent act like a 12 year old as we were in the same corp. No it did not make me feel cool. Your post after mine did seem like an "attack" on me. And as you keep trying to act clever by throwing "hidden" insults and generally being a smartass, I asume it was. . Some missions can be done solo, while others are impossible to do solo. And like said earlier on this page some deadspace missions are really hard, while others are not so hard. I can understand alot of people's frustration as they werent prepared for this and its a given that the "good" people will line up to call them crybabies. But I think that CCP should have been more clear. Cause when they said "level 4 agents missions should be played in groups", everyone asumed it dident include them and their cookie cutter setup (me included). This was due to the difficulty of Agent level 3 missions and normal rat hunting in 0.0 space. Ive killed my share of rats in 0.0 space and on agent missions ,but I never came close to dying with my Raven. Now with my tanked apoc in deadspace, I was almost killed within a few secs. For some reason I was put in the middle of the heat. So everything there started fireing at me. This while I had bumped my mate out of there by warping to him. And I dont care if they will eventually fix the bugs. As they are yet another thing you cant be prepared for. Bottom line: Even if people were told how hard it was, they dident expect it. Greets. Illegal
Illegal	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:52:00 - [98] Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 16:24:33 Why does what corp you are in have anything to do with things ?? I wasnt replying to anything you had said as your post seemed ok, if you think they are too hard even for 2 or more people then so be it. I merely stated that in my experience 2 people were easily able to do a level 4 mission, probably not all of them which I find an excellent change. This thread was started saying they are not ALL soloable Maybe if you think they are too hard (refrain myself from saying whining) you should try getting some corp mates to help you. Calling corp members muppets on forums make you feel cool though ?? Thanks Well I just asumed you wouldent act like a 12 year old as we were in the same corp. No it did not make me feel cool. Your post after mine did seem like an "attack" on me. And as you keep trying to act clever by throwing "hidden" insults and generally being a smartass, I asume it was. . Some missions can be done solo, while others are impossible to do solo. And like said earlier on this page some deadspace missions are really hard, while others are not so hard. I can understand alot of people's frustration as they werent prepared for this and its a given that the "good" people will line up to call them crybabies. But I think that CCP should have been more clear. Cause when they said "level 4 agents missions should be played in groups", everyone asumed it dident include them and their cookie cutter setup (me included). This was due to the difficulty of Agent level 3 missions and normal rat hunting in 0.0 space. Ive killed my share of rats in 0.0 space and on agent missions ,but I never came close to dying with my Raven. Now with my tanked apoc in deadspace, I was almost killed within a few secs. For some reason I was put in the middle of the heat. So everything there started fireing at me. This while I had bumped my mate out of there by warping to him. And I dont care if they will eventually fix the bugs. As they are yet another thing you cant be prepared for. Bottom line: Even if people were told how hard it was, they dident expect it. Greets. Illegal
Heavy Messing	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:57:00 - [99] agreed
Heavy Messing	Posted - 2004.11.26 16:57:00 - [100] agreed
irishranger	Posted - 2004.11.28 06:58:00 - [101] belive me...i know eddie...i f he has probs with lvl 4 then we all do!!
irishranger	Posted - 2004.11.28 06:58:00 - [102] belive me...i know eddie...i f he has probs with lvl 4 then we all do!!
Booky	Posted - 2004.11.28 08:42:00 - [103] Originally by: hatchette drunkenmaster, the problem is that while those missions are doable with larger group they are still not doable without any losses. And rewards including bounties do not cover insurance even for one BS. that's the problem. If I can do Damsel in Distress solo then I assure you that what you are describing is a direct result of a bunch of newbs in battleships. Answer me one question please, How long did you fly a frig, and then a cruiser before you flew a battleship? I ask because I belive that fighting with a frig is the core foundation to learning how to fight. I flew a frig for months and a cruiser for just as long. Hell Battleships were not even out for the longest time, at least not available to everyone. I have 20 mil skill points, many of these are specialization in Hybrid rails and missles along with shield/energy/tactical managent skills. Maybe I got lucky on my Damsel mission since I did not have a Spider drone that some are reporting, but the point is that I completed it alone. Zor was the last NPC to die. Kill the webbers first then warp out as needed to repair. I for one warped as soon as my shield was gone, and I managed to kill all the webbers before my shield was gone. Someone also posted that they respawned on them, I did not experience this either, so I am not srue if they changed the mission since I did it. When I did it, I was on Sisi running the current the TQ version. Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post.
Booky	Posted - 2004.11.28 08:42:00 - [104] Originally by: hatchette drunkenmaster, the problem is that while those missions are doable with larger group they are still not doable without any losses. And rewards including bounties do not cover insurance even for one BS. that's the problem. If I can do Damsel in Distress solo then I assure you that what you are describing is a direct result of a bunch of newbs in battleships. Answer me one question please, How long did you fly a frig, and then a cruiser before you flew a battleship? I ask because I belive that fighting with a frig is the core foundation to learning how to fight. I flew a frig for months and a cruiser for just as long. Hell Battleships were not even out for the longest time, at least not available to everyone. I have 20 mil skill points, many of these are specialization in Hybrid rails and missles along with shield/energy/tactical managent skills. Maybe I got lucky on my Damsel mission since I did not have a Spider drone that some are reporting, but the point is that I completed it alone. Zor was the last NPC to die. Kill the webbers first then warp out as needed to repair. I for one warped as soon as my shield was gone, and I managed to kill all the webbers before my shield was gone. Someone also posted that they respawned on them, I did not experience this either, so I am not srue if they changed the mission since I did it. When I did it, I was on Sisi running the current the TQ version. Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post.
Kerosene	Posted - 2004.11.28 10:02:00 - [105] I think the difficulty of the missions is about right. I just wish the rats wouldn't all target the same player then maybe a group would survive. At the moment the only way to do it is to have a mega tanked bs go in and pray the group mates can get remote armor repairers on the bs that's tanking before it pops. Please, don't nerf the missions, just redistribute the target locks of the rats. Promote gangs.
Kerosene	Posted - 2004.11.28 10:02:00 - [106] I think the difficulty of the missions is about right. I just wish the rats wouldn't all target the same player then maybe a group would survive. At the moment the only way to do it is to have a mega tanked bs go in and pray the group mates can get remote armor repairers on the bs that's tanking before it pops. Please, don't nerf the missions, just redistribute the target locks of the rats. Promote gangs.
freeshot	Posted - 2004.11.28 11:00:00 - [107] Personally i think if your not in a raven or scorp (shield tanking) your buggered, if you notice most of the ppl who defend lvl 4 fly them (nothing personal), if you don't get rid of the frigs as soon as, your history, unless you set a apoc or mega with a pathetic setup up your going home in a egg I won't bore you with the hows or why as im sure by the sounds of it you have already found out the hard way. the only advice i can give is train up caldari :( Missiles rule apparently)
freeshot	Posted - 2004.11.28 11:00:00 - [108] Personally i think if your not in a raven or scorp (shield tanking) your buggered, if you notice most of the ppl who defend lvl 4 fly them (nothing personal), if you don't get rid of the frigs as soon as, your history, unless you set a apoc or mega with a pathetic setup up your going home in a egg I won't bore you with the hows or why as im sure by the sounds of it you have already found out the hard way. the only advice i can give is train up caldari :( Missiles rule apparently)
Arbitos	Posted - 2004.11.28 11:24:00 - [109] Edited by: Arbitos on 28/11/2004 11:28:32 I Think FreeShot has a point. I tryed LvL 4 on my own and was lucky to get some of the easier ones first and I was in my Raven. I then got a mad one and died and called in a friend who was going to bring his APOC. I realise just how tanked the APOCS can be but figured with the always hitting torps for fast frigs and cruisers, I told him to bring his Raven. We both use a Shiled Tanked setup with hardners changed specific to every mission, we have a battle plan to stop duping of work and all the intys, frigs are gone very fast. (I always bring cruises just in case I meet an Inty that outruns the torps, but so far haven't and completed over 20 now) ON the hardest ones I normally have to warp out by the time the frigs and intys are gone and maybe the odd cruiser) I then repair sheild and get cap back while he takes a pounding then jump back in. I can see these missions are very Biased to Missile lobbers, but then if I had a Mega and really wanted to do these missions, I'd just sell it and buy a Raven. Noticed Ravens had gone down a lot on the Market since I last bought mine, maybe this will push the price up? Regards Arbs
Arbitos	Posted - 2004.11.28 11:24:00 - [110] Edited by: Arbitos on 28/11/2004 11:28:32 I Think FreeShot has a point. I tryed LvL 4 on my own and was lucky to get some of the easier ones first and I was in my Raven. I then got a mad one and died and called in a friend who was going to bring his APOC. I realise just how tanked the APOCS can be but figured with the always hitting torps for fast frigs and cruisers, I told him to bring his Raven. We both use a Shiled Tanked setup with hardners changed specific to every mission, we have a battle plan to stop duping of work and all the intys, frigs are gone very fast. (I always bring cruises just in case I meet an Inty that outruns the torps, but so far haven't and completed over 20 now) ON the hardest ones I normally have to warp out by the time the frigs and intys are gone and maybe the odd cruiser) I then repair sheild and get cap back while he takes a pounding then jump back in. I can see these missions are very Biased to Missile lobbers, but then if I had a Mega and really wanted to do these missions, I'd just sell it and buy a Raven. Noticed Ravens had gone down a lot on the Market since I last bought mine, maybe this will push the price up? Regards Arbs
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:00:00 - [111] Originally by: Illegal Im in the same alliance as you muppet. Actually you were in the same corp as us muppet, but since you cant seem to be able to show respect for your corpmates, it would now appear your in caldari provisions... Have fun in noob corp. TTFN Sass Arcane Technologies
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:00:00 - [112] Originally by: Illegal Im in the same alliance as you muppet. Actually you were in the same corp as us muppet, but since you cant seem to be able to show respect for your corpmates, it would now appear your in caldari provisions... Have fun in noob corp. TTFN Sass Arcane Technologies
Nikodaemonicus	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:09:00 - [113] Classic Sass! lol
Nikodaemonicus	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:09:00 - [114] Classic Sass! lol
Reiisha	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:18:00 - [115] Originally by: Arbitos Edited by: Arbitos on 28/11/2004 11:28:32 I Think FreeShot has a point. I tryed LvL 4 on my own and was lucky to get some of the easier ones first and I was in my Raven. I then got a mad one and died and called in a friend who was going to bring his APOC. I realise just how tanked the APOCS can be but figured with the always hitting torps for fast frigs and cruisers, I told him to bring his Raven. We both use a Shiled Tanked setup with hardners changed specific to every mission, we have a battle plan to stop duping of work and all the intys, frigs are gone very fast. (I always bring cruises just in case I meet an Inty that outruns the torps, but so far haven't and completed over 20 now) ON the hardest ones I normally have to warp out by the time the frigs and intys are gone and maybe the odd cruiser) I then repair sheild and get cap back while he takes a pounding then jump back in. I can see these missions are very Biased to Missile lobbers, but then if I had a Mega and really wanted to do these missions, I'd just sell it and buy a Raven. Noticed Ravens had gone down a lot on the Market since I last bought mine, maybe this will push the price up? Regards Arbs I'm doing some lvl 4's solo, as do more people i know.... in an apoc. They aren't too hard with the right fitting. Just don;t forget to fit some small guns on it.... Med pulse lasers chew through everything that gets too close and mega beams/tachs take care of long range. Then there's the drones you can use, 15 medium ones. they work well enough, and are easily replacable. And the cap holds out forever...... Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Reiisha	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:18:00 - [116] Originally by: Arbitos Edited by: Arbitos on 28/11/2004 11:28:32 I Think FreeShot has a point. I tryed LvL 4 on my own and was lucky to get some of the easier ones first and I was in my Raven. I then got a mad one and died and called in a friend who was going to bring his APOC. I realise just how tanked the APOCS can be but figured with the always hitting torps for fast frigs and cruisers, I told him to bring his Raven. We both use a Shiled Tanked setup with hardners changed specific to every mission, we have a battle plan to stop duping of work and all the intys, frigs are gone very fast. (I always bring cruises just in case I meet an Inty that outruns the torps, but so far haven't and completed over 20 now) ON the hardest ones I normally have to warp out by the time the frigs and intys are gone and maybe the odd cruiser) I then repair sheild and get cap back while he takes a pounding then jump back in. I can see these missions are very Biased to Missile lobbers, but then if I had a Mega and really wanted to do these missions, I'd just sell it and buy a Raven. Noticed Ravens had gone down a lot on the Market since I last bought mine, maybe this will push the price up? Regards Arbs I'm doing some lvl 4's solo, as do more people i know.... in an apoc. They aren't too hard with the right fitting. Just don;t forget to fit some small guns on it.... Med pulse lasers chew through everything that gets too close and mega beams/tachs take care of long range. Then there's the drones you can use, 15 medium ones. they work well enough, and are easily replacable. And the cap holds out forever...... Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Illegal	Posted - 2004.11.28 15:50:00 - [117] That was a bit uncalled for. Not kicking me, but the sad "rub it in" post. You mention how I dont respect corp mates such as yourself. Can you say that you deserve it after such a post? Unfortunately as this attitude is commonplace in ATUK, Im better out then in. Greets. Illegal
Illegal	Posted - 2004.11.28 15:50:00 - [118] That was a bit uncalled for. Not kicking me, but the sad "rub it in" post. You mention how I dont respect corp mates such as yourself. Can you say that you deserve it after such a post? Unfortunately as this attitude is commonplace in ATUK, Im better out then in. Greets. Illegal
Jim Steele	Posted - 2004.11.28 15:58:00 - [119] The lvl 4 missions are just right, can easily be handled in a BS team of two or more which is how it should be, i had to work at it and the pay isnt great, (100k agent bonus and took 4hrs) but the bounty was about 9mil total (multi waypoint slug fest). I think they should increase the pay a bit for the missions and increase the bonus time as i doubt it would be possible to go the one i got in 1hr40mins. Good job missiles are now cheep Death to the Galante
Jim Steele	Posted - 2004.11.28 15:58:00 - [120] The lvl 4 missions are just right, can easily be handled in a BS team of two or more which is how it should be, i had to work at it and the pay isnt great, (100k agent bonus and took 4hrs) but the bounty was about 9mil total (multi waypoint slug fest). I think they should increase the pay a bit for the missions and increase the bonus time as i doubt it would be possible to go the one i got in 1hr40mins. Good job missiles are now cheep Death to the Galante

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