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Heavy Messing	Posted - 2004.11.25 21:12:00 - [1] Have been taking advantage of my 8.80 status with Cal Navy, but have lost 2 BS's already to agent missions. I can not think of a config I can use on an apoc that can get me through the senario. Accepted a mission today which involved multiple spawns...the first two spawns were 12 ships each, a combination of cruisers and frigs....got through those (just) only to have the 3 spawn which consisted of 4 Ravens and multiple cruisers and frigs. Needless to say I only made it out of that in a pod. Has the opportunities for freelancers or solo players been completely overlooked here? I have 13.5 million skill points and am an experienced player, but can not think of a way of completing missions such as these without a large gang of buddies. Hacked off with it all ATM
Heavy Messing	Posted - 2004.11.25 21:12:00 - [2] Have been taking advantage of my 8.80 status with Cal Navy, but have lost 2 BS's already to agent missions. I can not think of a config I can use on an apoc that can get me through the senario. Accepted a mission today which involved multiple spawns...the first two spawns were 12 ships each, a combination of cruisers and frigs....got through those (just) only to have the 3 spawn which consisted of 4 Ravens and multiple cruisers and frigs. Needless to say I only made it out of that in a pod. Has the opportunities for freelancers or solo players been completely overlooked here? I have 13.5 million skill points and am an experienced player, but can not think of a way of completing missions such as these without a large gang of buddies. Hacked off with it all ATM
6666	Posted - 2004.11.25 21:40:00 - [3] Got to fully agree with you in every respect. I was really looking forward to lv 4 missions and the ones i have encountered so far have been impossible. Ok i accept that lv 4 missions should be far from easy and if it is CCPs goal to promote player interaction and participation then fair enough,,but,, what about players who like to do some solo stuff? There are still some nomads in eve!! Surely lv 4 missions could be grouped into solo/group missions, after all CCP is constantly promoting the diversity of Eve. Yes sir i am too a tad fed up also!
6666	Posted - 2004.11.25 21:40:00 - [4] Got to fully agree with you in every respect. I was really looking forward to lv 4 missions and the ones i have encountered so far have been impossible. Ok i accept that lv 4 missions should be far from easy and if it is CCPs goal to promote player interaction and participation then fair enough,,but,, what about players who like to do some solo stuff? There are still some nomads in eve!! Surely lv 4 missions could be grouped into solo/group missions, after all CCP is constantly promoting the diversity of Eve. Yes sir i am too a tad fed up also!
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MysticNZ	Posted - 2004.11.25 22:11:00 - [7] They are not ment for one person. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
MysticNZ	Posted - 2004.11.25 22:11:00 - [8] They are not ment for one person. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Eddie Mac	Posted - 2004.11.25 22:26:00 - [9] Groups would be fine, IF.... the NPCs spread their locks across your gang rather than ALL targeting the first guy in. Right now the first guy in has to be either very fast (and that's without MWD, if it's a deadspace mission) or an uber-tank.
Eddie Mac	Posted - 2004.11.25 22:26:00 - [10] Groups would be fine, IF.... the NPCs spread their locks across your gang rather than ALL targeting the first guy in. Right now the first guy in has to be either very fast (and that's without MWD, if it's a deadspace mission) or an uber-tank.
Shocky	Posted - 2004.11.25 23:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Shocky on 25/11/2004 23:38:15 Sorry to hear you lost two ships heavy, I also have ætriedÆ a few missions but scouted the bmÆs in frigates first. Needless to say I didnÆt even try to attempt any. The deadspace mission itself consists of almost 30 npcÆs, a mixture of frigates, cruisers and a few BS's which is just ott. I always wanted to do missions in groups but not at the expense of being able to solo them.
Shocky	Posted - 2004.11.25 23:33:00 - [12] Edited by: Shocky on 25/11/2004 23:38:15 Sorry to hear you lost two ships heavy, I also have ætriedÆ a few missions but scouted the bmÆs in frigates first. Needless to say I didnÆt even try to attempt any. The deadspace mission itself consists of almost 30 npcÆs, a mixture of frigates, cruisers and a few BS's which is just ott. I always wanted to do missions in groups but not at the expense of being able to solo them.
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.25 23:53:00 - [13] Lvl 4 missions aren't supposed to be doable easily solo, so don't expect that. Lvl 3 is for solo. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.25 23:53:00 - [14] Lvl 4 missions aren't supposed to be doable easily solo, so don't expect that. Lvl 3 is for solo. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.25 23:55:00 - [15] The problem is this huge gap between level 4 and 3 missions. Well actually I've only done the 'damsel in distress' mission in deadspace but that wasn't very hard (the trick was to know that you had to blow up the prison ). So far level 3 mission have been easy to solo in a cruiser and from what I've heard you need big gangs to finish the level 4 one. I think level 4 mission should actually be level 5 mission and then the devs should give us a new level 4 mission which are considerably harder than level 3 but still well doable solo. __________ Capacitor research
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.11.25 23:55:00 - [16] The problem is this huge gap between level 4 and 3 missions. Well actually I've only done the 'damsel in distress' mission in deadspace but that wasn't very hard (the trick was to know that you had to blow up the prison ). So far level 3 mission have been easy to solo in a cruiser and from what I've heard you need big gangs to finish the level 4 one. I think level 4 mission should actually be level 5 mission and then the devs should give us a new level 4 mission which are considerably harder than level 3 but still well doable solo. __________ Capacitor research
Ray Butts	Posted - 2004.11.26 00:19:00 - [17] i rememebr doing lvl 4 on the test server 95% you could do your self and they where fun. but the new ones are just very hard no way to do them by your self and then dam bonce bug dont help
Ray Butts	Posted - 2004.11.26 00:19:00 - [18] i rememebr doing lvl 4 on the test server 95% you could do your self and they where fun. but the new ones are just very hard no way to do them by your self and then dam bonce bug dont help
Frozen Light	Posted - 2004.11.26 00:29:00 - [19] Missions in Exodus are quite hard. Tried a simple lvl 2 mission as solo and lost a Moa to rogue drones. Second Moa was lost in a lvl 3 missions with couple of friends when frigs just MWD'd next to me and took me apart. I just wonder why NPCs can use MWD in deadspace but players can't? Perhaps there'll be a deadspace MWD module in the market soonish? -- Currents ships lost in Exodus: 3x Moa, 1x Kestrel, 1x Merlin
Frozen Light	Posted - 2004.11.26 00:29:00 - [20] Missions in Exodus are quite hard. Tried a simple lvl 2 mission as solo and lost a Moa to rogue drones. Second Moa was lost in a lvl 3 missions with couple of friends when frigs just MWD'd next to me and took me apart. I just wonder why NPCs can use MWD in deadspace but players can't? Perhaps there'll be a deadspace MWD module in the market soonish? -- Currents ships lost in Exodus: 3x Moa, 1x Kestrel, 1x Merlin
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.11.26 01:21:00 - [21] Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 26/11/2004 01:25:27 Originally by: Dust Puppy The problem is this huge gap between level 4 and 3 missions. Well actually I've only done the 'damsel in distress' mission in deadspace but that wasn't very hard (the trick was to know that you had to blow up the prison ). So far level 3 mission have been easy to solo in a cruiser and from what I've heard you need big gangs to finish the level 4 one. I think level 4 mission should actually be level 5 mission and then the devs should give us a new level 4 mission which are considerably harder than level 3 but still well doable solo. Unfortunately deadspace missions were not available for testing in the Dev server before Exodus came to Tranq. From what I understand the Devs made a statement in a thread somewhere that all missions will eventually take place in deadspace since it isn't practical to have 2 different methods. If someone could find any reference to that please post it here because I can't find it. Even though the overall difficulty of deadspace missions has been increased over standard types, there still remains a great disparity between lvl3 and lvl4 missions. Now while I know the Devs have said they intended lvl4 to be group missions, I will attempt again to get an answer to this question I've posed in a couple of other threads. "Where does this leave us with lvl5 agents?" So CCP please consider the following parameters when designing missions: Lvl1 = tier 2 frig Lvl2 = tier 3 frig Lvl3 = cruiser Lvl4 = bs Lvl5 = group only (if you want to survive) My full reply in another thread below http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=124825&page=2 Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.11.26 01:21:00 - [22] Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 26/11/2004 01:25:27 Originally by: Dust Puppy The problem is this huge gap between level 4 and 3 missions. Well actually I've only done the 'damsel in distress' mission in deadspace but that wasn't very hard (the trick was to know that you had to blow up the prison ). So far level 3 mission have been easy to solo in a cruiser and from what I've heard you need big gangs to finish the level 4 one. I think level 4 mission should actually be level 5 mission and then the devs should give us a new level 4 mission which are considerably harder than level 3 but still well doable solo. Unfortunately deadspace missions were not available for testing in the Dev server before Exodus came to Tranq. From what I understand the Devs made a statement in a thread somewhere that all missions will eventually take place in deadspace since it isn't practical to have 2 different methods. If someone could find any reference to that please post it here because I can't find it. Even though the overall difficulty of deadspace missions has been increased over standard types, there still remains a great disparity between lvl3 and lvl4 missions. Now while I know the Devs have said they intended lvl4 to be group missions, I will attempt again to get an answer to this question I've posed in a couple of other threads. "Where does this leave us with lvl5 agents?" So CCP please consider the following parameters when designing missions: Lvl1 = tier 2 frig Lvl2 = tier 3 frig Lvl3 = cruiser Lvl4 = bs Lvl5 = group only (if you want to survive) My full reply in another thread below http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=124825&page=2 Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
Tharrn	Posted - 2004.11.26 01:52:00 - [23] If you want to do solo stuff... stick to level 3 missions. Big deal. No one forces you to do level 4 missions - if you insist on working alone you have to accept the consequences.
Tharrn	Posted - 2004.11.26 01:52:00 - [24] If you want to do solo stuff... stick to level 3 missions. Big deal. No one forces you to do level 4 missions - if you insist on working alone you have to accept the consequences.
Eddie Gordo	Posted - 2004.11.26 02:46:00 - [25] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 26/11/2004 02:49:06 the deadspace missions seem to be spread into 2 or 3 groups. I would imagine that if the groups attacked one at a time the lvl4 deadspace missions would be completable with 2-3 pilots with ease. Is this a bug? However as it stands, you need at least 3-5 pilots and you more or less HAVE to use group tanking. 1st guy goes in, and almost 30 ships all target him at once....it doesnt matter how well he is tanked he is in trouble VERY quickly. The first mission we did (before we realised just how hard they would be) we took in 5 battleships, 2 of us were kitted for armour transfers..just out of habbit. I was first in, as it was my mission. I get targetted by EVERY goddam ship there, including a raven. within seconds (and i do mean seconds) I was into structure and had to warp out. The second ship to be targetted was a scorp, with a bit of tanking..however nobody was in range to send armour. He died very very fast. After that I had warped back in, and began sending armour to the next main target...after that we did ok. But, I think that all lvl4 should be completable by 2-3 battleships at the most. When I heard that lvl4 would need a group, I imagined maybe taking 2 battleships a destroyer and an inty or something....really get to mix things up a bit...I shudder to think how tricky lvl5 will be if they ever come out! I guess what is needed is something between lvl3 and lvl4 as the jump is just too big. Instas??
Eddie Gordo	Posted - 2004.11.26 02:46:00 - [26] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 26/11/2004 02:49:06 the deadspace missions seem to be spread into 2 or 3 groups. I would imagine that if the groups attacked one at a time the lvl4 deadspace missions would be completable with 2-3 pilots with ease. Is this a bug? However as it stands, you need at least 3-5 pilots and you more or less HAVE to use group tanking. 1st guy goes in, and almost 30 ships all target him at once....it doesnt matter how well he is tanked he is in trouble VERY quickly. The first mission we did (before we realised just how hard they would be) we took in 5 battleships, 2 of us were kitted for armour transfers..just out of habbit. I was first in, as it was my mission. I get targetted by EVERY goddam ship there, including a raven. within seconds (and i do mean seconds) I was into structure and had to warp out. The second ship to be targetted was a scorp, with a bit of tanking..however nobody was in range to send armour. He died very very fast. After that I had warped back in, and began sending armour to the next main target...after that we did ok. But, I think that all lvl4 should be completable by 2-3 battleships at the most. When I heard that lvl4 would need a group, I imagined maybe taking 2 battleships a destroyer and an inty or something....really get to mix things up a bit...I shudder to think how tricky lvl5 will be if they ever come out! I guess what is needed is something between lvl3 and lvl4 as the jump is just too big. Instas??
Abbadonuk	Posted - 2004.11.26 02:53:00 - [27] Yes L4 missions are hard to solo, but not impossible with right ship, right setup, right skills and tactics. However I am having to use a totally laughable setup on my Raven for deadspace, but it is working. Point being though, L4 missions have always been intended for groups, if I do do them solo I expect to loose a ship sooner or later and will not complain when I do. I know I should stick to l3 agents unless I am in a group but like a lot of people I enjoy the challenge of L4 missions and am greedy for the reward. Member of Lunar Dawn
Abbadonuk	Posted - 2004.11.26 02:53:00 - [28] Yes L4 missions are hard to solo, but not impossible with right ship, right setup, right skills and tactics. However I am having to use a totally laughable setup on my Raven for deadspace, but it is working. Point being though, L4 missions have always been intended for groups, if I do do them solo I expect to loose a ship sooner or later and will not complain when I do. I know I should stick to l3 agents unless I am in a group but like a lot of people I enjoy the challenge of L4 missions and am greedy for the reward. Member of Lunar Dawn
Booky	Posted - 2004.11.26 05:48:00 - [29] I have 20mil skill points and I have a hard time solo lvl 4 agents. The devs have been telling everyone for months that lvl 4 missions are going to be near impossible for solo and that they want us to work in groups on them. If you choose to do lvl 4 alone, then you must accept the responability of that and not call it "unacceptable". Btw, my shield tanked Raven "Crazy Eight" never dropped below 40% shields when fighting the 4x Raven spawn you speak of. Key is to use the hardeners, especially Kinetic since the ravens spam Kinetic Torps. FYI, I am operating in Inoue, if you need help in the area and I am online, I will help if im not busy. I understand these things are tuff, so I am more than willing to play a multiplayer game in multiplayer mode Booky Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post.
Booky	Posted - 2004.11.26 05:48:00 - [30] I have 20mil skill points and I have a hard time solo lvl 4 agents. The devs have been telling everyone for months that lvl 4 missions are going to be near impossible for solo and that they want us to work in groups on them. If you choose to do lvl 4 alone, then you must accept the responability of that and not call it "unacceptable". Btw, my shield tanked Raven "Crazy Eight" never dropped below 40% shields when fighting the 4x Raven spawn you speak of. Key is to use the hardeners, especially Kinetic since the ravens spam Kinetic Torps. FYI, I am operating in Inoue, if you need help in the area and I am online, I will help if im not busy. I understand these things are tuff, so I am more than willing to play a multiplayer game in multiplayer mode Booky Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post.

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