I have never suggested that a Hulk can, or should be gank proof.

Yes they can - most ganking is done for fun, any profit is just a bonus.

Incorrect. Killing a tanked Hulk in 17 seconds requires a damage output of ~2000 DPS, which costs a bit to generateGǪ

GǪand of course, there's nothing to say that they'll have as much as 17 seconds.

Short claim deserves short answer:

Incorrect.

Bumping a Hulk is no different then bumping any other ship in game, and it isn't going to get special attention.
They are ALL subject to the same Issue.

please elaborate. what is the counter to bumping?

Warping out (which is what you want to do anyway if it's a prelude to a gank).

Well, there is one difference: the Hulk can do its business in a near bump-proof state whereas other common bump targets will often not have that optionGǪ

Warping out (which is what you want to do anyway if it's a prelude to a gank).

INB4 17s to Warp.

i think the OP is referring to bumping for the purpose of keeping you from warping. how do you warp away while you're being bumped? isn't that the core of the issue?

You warp away before being bumped by being aligned, since that causes the warp-out time to be zero seconds, leaving very very very little time for the bumper to get the bump in.

He could try to use a cloaked ship, but even then it's avoidable if you're really quick (and if they go to those lengths, they've rather earned a successful bump should you be too slow on the draw).

i think the OP is referring to bumping for the purpose of keeping you from warping. how do you warp away while you're being bumped? isn't that the core of the issue?

If you pay attention, and youGÇÖve got your wits about you, you can avoid people coming in and ganking, a survival of the fittest kind of thing, and people are now able to actually make a much better living from mining because of things like Hulkageddon and Burn Jita, because minerals are more expensive.

GǪso they'll pick a target that is sure to blow up. I.e. not the tanked Hulk.

Align up, bump, bump, gank

5 steps.

Saved you one.

Saved you one.

GǪexcept, of course, that you can't bump a ship that isn't there. So no.

i think the OP is referring to bumping for the purpose of keeping you from warping. how do you warp away while you're being bumped? isn't that the core of the issue?

Yes, I've noted the wise solution of "Don't be there".

It's really brilliance.

But for people that actually do want to mine, it's crap.

If you land on top of a ganker prepared to bump you then,...

Yes, I've noted the wise solution of "Don't be there".

It's really brilliance.

But for people that actually do want to mine, it's crap.

You warp away before being bumped by being aligned, since that causes the warp-out time to be zero seconds, leaving very very very little time for the bumper to get the bump in.

He could try to use a cloaked ship, but even then it's avoidable if you're really quick (and if they go to those lengths, they've rather earned a successful bump should you be too slow on the draw).

are you saying the miner should warp away if anyone gets anywhere near him? or warps to belt? time to warp may be minimal, but there is still the question of when to warp at all. if the miner is constantly warping away, the bumper accomplishes the same goal without actually executing a bump.

EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

are you saying the miner should warp away if anyone gets anywhere near him? or warps to belt? time to warp may be minimal, but there is still the question of when to warp at all. if the miner is constantly warping away, the bumper accomplishes the same goal without actually executing a bump.

the goal doesn't appear to be pinning and then ganking. bumping alone is being used to move miners out of range of their target asteroid/ice. once the bumping begins, there's no way to get around it. if you warp away, you can't mine. if you warp back, you'll be bumped off your target again.

The Bumping mechanic made sense with the limitations of 2003 computers, in 2012 CCP can do better.

Siege.

the goal doesn't appear to be pinning and then ganking.

You should probably re-read the OP.

You can also move to somewhere without a bumper or pay them off. If they can't be paid off and aren't trying to gank you, it could be considered griefing.

(Oh, and they don't have to stop bumping you just because you paid them. After all, if you paid once, there's a good chance you'll pay again. )