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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 07:06:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:My 80k EHP Rupture.
Here ya go! 87k with Slaves and before fleet bonuses.
[Rupture, test]
'Bailey' 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates I 'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II
10MN Microwarpdrive II J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8283
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Posted - 2012.06.29 07:17:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Here ya go! 87k with Slaves and before fleet bonuses. GǪso in other words, no, most cruisers do not have 80k+ EHP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.06.29 07:21:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:My 80k EHP Rupture. Here ya go! 87k with Slaves and before fleet bonuses. [Rupture, test] 'Bailey' 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates I 'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN Microwarpdrive II J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Ok, and My Caracal, and My Stabber, and My Blackbird.
You promised most. Get a plurality and you can continue. -RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:26:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:My Caracal
107k
[Caracal, Caracal fit]
Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Pipa Porto wrote:My Stabber
86k with Tengu booster
[Stabber, Stabber fit]
Imperial Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates Shaqil's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Pipa Porto wrote:My Blackbird
82,6k
[Blackbird, Blackbird fit]
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile [Empty High slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
72
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:29:00 -
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This is so bad, I don-¦t even.... |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:29:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:My Caracal 107k [Caracal, Caracal fit] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Pipa Porto wrote:My Stabber 86k with Tengu booster [Stabber, Stabber fit] Imperial Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates Shaqil's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Pipa Porto wrote:My Blackbird 82,6k [Blackbird, Blackbird fit] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
There are 16 T1 Cruisers. You've got 4 down. 6 to got to get a plurality. -RubyPorto
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Lukas Rox
Aideron Robotics
7
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:39:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Coveter gets the same tank as most cruisers. I would like to see this 80k+ EHP Covetor.
Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k. There is just not enough PG to fit both shield/armor buffer mods and 3 Strip Miners.
And there is really no escape from a well performed gank. There is just a tiny window where you can click "warp" button, even if your Hulk is aligned. I have been on the other end of the stick at some point in the past. I have killed a Hulk which was doing just that, flying at full speed towards a station. I have tackled it the same instant I have landed upon the poor guy. I have used my alt in a cov-ops frigate as a warp-in.
This approach is nearly foolproof, and there is no real defence against it.
TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank. EHP boost would likely solve this issue. It won;t make ganking impossible, but it will require much more resources (i.e. a 'nado or Talos). |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:41:00 -
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Lukas Rox wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Coveter gets the same tank as most cruisers. I would like to see this 80k+ EHP Covetor. Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k. There is just not enough PG to fit both shield/armor buffer mods and 3 Strip Miners. And there is really no escape from a well performed gank. There is just a tiny window where you can click "warp" button, even if your Hulk is aligned. I have been on the other end of the stick at some point in the past. I have killed a Hulk which was doing just that, flying at full speed towards a station. I have tackled it the same instant I have landed upon the poor guy. I have used my alt in a cov-ops frigate as a warp-in. This approach is nearly foolproof, and there is no real defence against it. TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank.
He may have been aligned but he wasn't paying attention.
Ever notice how long it takes to land on grid? -RubyPorto
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Lukas Rox
Aideron Robotics
7
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:44:00 -
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Quote:He may have been aligned but he wasn't paying attention.
Ever notice how long it takes to land on grid?
Yep, it takes a good few seconds. But the barge pilot has to understand that the ship warping in is actually a threat. That takes a second or two at least. Especially when the overview is showing a bunch of asteroids (hint, hint!) instead of ships warping from 20kkm away. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8283
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:45:00 -
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Lukas Rox wrote:[Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k. You forgot to overheatGǪ
Quote:TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank. Sure they do. They can often simply outlive them unless you throw far more money at the gank than the kill is worth (hell, for particularly hard-tanked Hulks, the gank will cost more than the Hulk). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:45:00 -
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Lukas Rox wrote:Quote:He may have been aligned but he wasn't paying attention.
Ever notice how long it takes to land on grid? Yep, it takes a good few seconds. But the barge pilot has to understand that the ship warping in is actually a threat. That takes a second or two at least. Especially when the overview is showing a bunch of asteroids (hint, hint!) instead of ships warping from 20kkm away.
So they're not actually paying attention. Got it. -RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:47:00 -
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Lukas Rox wrote:Yep, it takes a good few seconds. But the barge pilot has to understand that the ship warping in is actually a threat. That takes a second or two at least. Especially when the overview is showing a bunch of asteroids (hint, hint!) instead of ships warping from 20kkm away.
This is why it's so difficult. If we could get to see two overview tabs at the same time...
And Hulk gets over 30k EHP with heat.
[Hulk, Tankit]
Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Pipa Porto wrote:So they're not actually paying attention. Got it.
How I can see contents of two overview tabs at the same time? |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
636
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:49:00 -
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There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate.
Oh, you can't? Well, it's not my fault that you decided to mine in an area where the options to defend yourself are taken away from you. CONCORD only provides punishment. If you want protection, you will have to provide it yourself - or work together with other people to protect you. |

Lukas Rox
Aideron Robotics
7
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lukas Rox wrote:[Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k. You forgot to overheatGǪ Quote:TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank. Sure they do. They can often simply outlive them unless you throw far more money at the gank than the kill is worth (hell, for particularly hard-tanked Hulks, the gank will cost more than the Hulk).
True, my fits assume the miner had roids on overview and didn't see the ganker coming until it was too late. Overheat will boost the EHP, but not much.
As you said it's only matter of numbers ;-) And yes I know miners survive, because I have survived some failed attempts in my own time as well. Hell, I might even go mining and try to get some killmails with a Hulk. For **** and giggles. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:51:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate.
Sending your drones to attack that T1 frigate just ends up you losing your exhumer. Try again. |

Lukas Rox
Aideron Robotics
7
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Posted - 2012.06.29 08:52:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
This is why it's so difficult. If we could get to see two overview tabs at the same time...
You only need to switch to the "mining" tab when you switch roids. Otherwise have the "pvp" tab open. |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.06.29 09:05:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate. Sending your drones to attack that T1 frigate just ends up you losing your exhumer. Try again.
Abdiel Kavash wrote:There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate.
Oh, you can't? Well, it's not my fault that you decided to mine in an area where the options to defend yourself are taken away from you. CONCORD only provides punishment. If you want protection, you will have to provide it yourself - or work together with other people to protect you.
Selective quoting makes you look almost as ridiculous as your fits. -RubyPorto
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Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
95
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Posted - 2012.06.29 09:32:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Ptraci wrote:
*And don't give me that crap about drones, by the time the drones start shooting the hulk is usually dead.
Not if they are permadeployed sentry drones and stasis drones. Wait, that would lower your mining yield? Then risk a gank and maximize yield.
A Hulk has a 50m-¦ drone bay. Sentry drones take 25m-¦ space. Berserker webifier drone also takes 25m-¦ space. So would you suggest taking 1 sentry and 1 webifier or two sentries?
Good luck with that kind of protection.
Before you make stuff up you could at least look stuff up.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.06.29 09:34:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:So they're not actually paying attention. Got it. How I can see contents of two overview tabs at the same time?
Brackets. -RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 09:48:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Brackets.
How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time? |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2012.06.29 09:50:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Brackets. How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?
 -RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:04:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Brackets. How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time? 
Oh, I understand. I say at local "I have ungankable Hulk". After few minutes there would be ten -10s on grid with their Orca alts. |

Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
95
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:08:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Brackets. How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?  Oh, I understand. I say at local "I have ungankable Hulk". After few minutes there would be ten -10s on grid with their Orca alts. First you need to train Reading Comprehension to level I though. |

Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:09:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Brackets. How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?  Oh, I understand. I say at local "I have ungankable Hulk". After few minutes there would be ten -10s on grid with their Orca alts.
You may have misunderstood, brackets, is not bragging.
Tal
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:12:00 -
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How those help me see pvp tab on overview when I'm choosing new roids from mining tab? |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:33:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:How those help me see pvp tab on overview when I'm choosing new roids from mining tab?
By not trying to do that. -RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:58:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:By not trying to do that.
If I have to keep pvp tab on always it's quite difficult to mine. |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.29 12:14:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:By not trying to do that. If I have to keep pvp tab on always it's quite difficult to mine.
That's what the brackets are for. -RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.29 12:19:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:That's what the brackets are for.
That would mean I have "spin" my ship in space ever 2 seconds to see if there's someone else on same belt. And it wouldn't help with cloaky ships. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8288
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Posted - 2012.06.29 12:24:00 -
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GǪI seem to recall that there are a number of ways to call up a list of nearby asteroids, if you don't want to go the bracket route. Oh, and no, you don't have to spin the camera around all that much GÇö adjust your zoom and FOV, and you'll have a spectacularly good 360-¦ view of the belt and its surroundings. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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