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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:02:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Why is the Orca 40km away when the Hulk isn't moving more than 7m/s? "250% bonus to tractor beam range" Tell me one good reason why I should ignore that.
Because the normal range is fine. Your Hulks are aligned. They will escape a smartbomb gank.
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:04:00 -
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15th Century Portrait wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:You can also counterbump the bumper. Or move to another belt, or system, or etc. etc. etc. counterbump? how does that work? are we talking about trying to deflect a bullet with a bullet? that sounds... unlikely. This halaima guy is theoretically avoiding a griefing ban by saying what he's doing has a financial purpose. So theoretically CCP won't stop him. Sure you could warp away, if a cloaked ship wasn't on a head-on collision course. But even if you warp away every time someone warps to the belt (which is what you'd have to do for everyone you don't know), the bumper accomplishes the same goal of denying the miner a chance to mine without actually having to bump him. Leaving to go to another belt will only result in a change of scenery for the Bump Fest. If someone really wanted to press the issue and get CCP to clarify their position, that person would copy the Halaima model and go to Uedama or Niarja, put up cans at the gates with following note: You must pay [Insert Name] 50 million ISK to move freighters through here, otherwise we'll be bumping you off your alignment and preventing you from flying through. (okay so it would take a few cans). Then we'd see something interesting stuff.
They Decloak 2500m off of you. The fastest they can be doing is like 600m/s before they decloak. You'll have plenty of time to warp out.
-RubyPorto
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1207
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:39:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field 25M faction mod in paper tanked Hulk...
It costs 7M in Jita.
a rogue goon |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2012.06.30 02:16:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field 25M faction mod in paper tanked Hulk... It costs 7M in Jita.
Shh, he'll come gank us in his 80k EHP cruisers (He still owes us 6 fits).
-RubyPorto
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.06.30 02:45:00 -
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Kyle Ward wrote:Minmatar Freedom wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Uhm... I fail to see the point. Are you moaning about bumping being OP, do you want it nerfed... Are you simply stating a point? I'm lost. I'm stating a point. The argument that "if miners just protected themselves, they wouldn't get shot" is irrelevant because there's no way to protect yourself once bumping gets involved. Miners aren't supposed to protect themselves, they're supposed to pay the goonies for a mining pass... 
THEN they come here and ***** when theyre killed by them anyways and the guy you bought the pass from says "Oh crap, I forgot to tell him"
Go mine in 0.0. Its safer
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
19
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Posted - 2012.06.30 03:24:00 -
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Betrinna Cantis wrote:Sentamon wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Sentamon wrote:The Bumping mechanic made sense with the limitations of 2003 computers, in 2012 CCP can do better.  Huh? Guess I need to spell it out ... ships should collide and cause damage to each other. Not bounce off like rubber balls. Volkswagon going 120 kp/h slams into the side of a Semi truck sitting at a stop light.... what happens to the volkswagon??? If you bump a ship with a ship 1/4 its size said ship should explode on impact.
I think It would be funny to be exiting warp at a gate and see an explosion and a pod show up on overview only to find out someone MWD'd an inty into my freighter.
Negative, picking inty parts out of the engine intakes. but I guess that is what my crew is for. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2012.06.30 03:28:00 -
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Viktor Fyretracker wrote:Betrinna Cantis wrote:Sentamon wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Sentamon wrote:The Bumping mechanic made sense with the limitations of 2003 computers, in 2012 CCP can do better. Huh? Guess I need to spell it out ... ships should collide and cause damage to each other. Not bounce off like rubber balls. Volkswagon going 120 kp/h slams into the side of a Semi truck sitting at a stop light.... what happens to the volkswagon??? If you bump a ship with a ship 1/4 its size said ship should explode on impact. I think It would be funny to be exiting warp at a gate and see an explosion and a pod show up on overview only to find out someone MWD'd an inty into my freighter. Negative, picking inty parts out of the engine intakes. but I guess that is what my crew is for.
Or we'll just start MWDing things with more EHP that your Freighter into it until the Freighter explodes.
Bump damage goes both ways. 
-RubyPorto
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8298
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Posted - 2012.06.30 03:42:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Because the normal range is fine. Your Hulks are aligned. They will escape a smartbomb gank. GǪalso, let's talk about that mythical smartbomb gank.
A full rack of large T2 smartbombs does 2400 damage per pulse. In the 20 seconds it takes for CONCORD to respond in the deepest 0.5-sec, you can get off 3 or maaaaybe 4 such pulses, for a total of 7,200 / 9,600 damage. If the ganker wants to keep pulsing after CONCORD arrives, he will have to fit pretty much every last midslot with cap boosters and be very precise in his timing, at which point he might be able to get two more pulses in there for a total of 12,000GÇô14,400 damage total.
A completely unfitted Hulk stands a fair chance of surviving such an attackGÇö that's how dangerous it is.
This means you need at least two or three such suicide smartbombers to have a fair chance of taking outGǪ wellGǪ anything, really. Two problems immediately arise from this: you must manage to warp all ships in precisely enough to cover the same ships with their piddling 6km range and yet not bump each other out of position. Oh, and if pyfa is to be believed (which, admittedly, is doubtful), each such ship will set you back close to 250M ISK. Congratulations GÇö the gank costs three times more than the victim's loss and the chances of catching more than one ship is slim (and requires the victims to be pretty darn stupid to begin with)GǪ oh, and you're still not assured of destroying even one of the miners.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
49
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Posted - 2012.06.30 04:12:00 -
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my hulk has 21k hp 70+ resists across the board and mines at 5k m3 per cycle? i dont see whats so hard about defending and mining well in 1 complete package (of course i havent actually equiped/flown the siege warfare link thingo on my alt yet either, up to siege warfare spec 4 now) |
Ron Maudieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.30 04:16:00 -
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I can see it now... tractor beam repulsion module... lol |
Betrinna Cantis
19
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Posted - 2012.06.30 06:57:00 -
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Huh?[/quote]
Guess I need to spell it out ... ships should collide and cause damage to each other. Not bounce off like rubber balls.[/quote]
Volkswagon going 120 kp/h slams into the side of a Semi truck sitting at a stop light.... what happens to the volkswagon???
If you bump a ship with a ship 1/4 its size said ship should explode on impact.
[/quote]
I think It would be funny to be exiting warp at a gate and see an explosion and a pod show up on overview only to find out someone MWD'd an inty into my freighter.
Negative, picking inty parts out of the engine intakes. but I guess that is what my crew is for.[/quote]
Or we'll just start MWDing things with more EHP that your Freighter into it until the Freighter explodes.
Bump damage goes both ways. [/quote]
Indeed 
Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent.
You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.06.30 07:07:00 -
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Quote:volkswagon going 120 kp/h slams into the side of a Semi truck sitting at a stop light.... what happens to the volkswagon???
If you bump a ship with a ship 1/4 its size said ship should explode on impact.
I have a Youtube that answers the question sorta
http://youtu.be/VpGUzd2_ByM
With classy music too
Though this is kinda more like it
http://youtu.be/Mh835unue5w
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:04:00 -
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Bump... you not like bump?
wtf r u?
A BOT!
Edit: no damage as its like two magnets at opposite poles trying to hit each other ... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:42:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:They Decloak 2500m off of you. The fastest they can be doing is like 600m/s before they decloak. You'll have plenty of time to warp out.
I can do 2000+ m/s while cloaked in a frigate.
"Bu... bu... but MWD doesn't work while you're cloaked!"
Yes it does. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8302
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:46:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I can do 2000+ m/s while cloaked in a frigate.
"Bu... bu... but MWD doesn't work while you're cloaked!"
Yes it does. GǪexcept, of course, that to do that, you have to expose yourself first, which tips the target off. So no, that won't work.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪexcept, of course, that to do that, you have to expose yourself first, which tips the target off. So no, that won't work.
Just another pirate who doesn't know MWD works while ship is cloaked.
Could you post with your main so we can see how epic you're. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8302
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:53:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Just another pirate who doesn't know MWD works while ship is cloaked. Ok, so you're not actually familiar with how the mwd-cloak trick works, huhGǪ?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ok, so you're not actually familiar with how the mwd-cloak trick works, huhGǪ?
Post with your main. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8302
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:02:00 -
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Do you want me to explain it to you?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:05:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:They Decloak 2500m off of you. The fastest they can be doing is like 600m/s before they decloak. You'll have plenty of time to warp out. I can do 2000+ m/s while cloaked in a frigate. "Bu... bu... but MWD doesn't work while you're cloaked!" Yes it does.
Show me something that can, after warping onto grid unseen, activate an MWD while cloaked (or hit 2km/s cloaked without MWD).
-RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:07:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:[or hit 2km/s cloaked without MWD).
My covops can. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:09:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪexcept, of course, that to do that, you have to expose yourself first, which tips the target off. So no, that won't work. Just another pirate who doesn't know MWD works while ship is cloaked. Could you post with your main so we can see how epic you're.
This is pretty much gold.
And Tippia is Tippia's main, so far as I know. Or at least has enough history to be; do you even know what Reikoku was?
Could you post with your main so that we can stop cowering in fear of the great State War Academy?
-RubyPorto
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8302
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:09:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:My covops can. GǪso show it.
Oh, and as for mains and all that, I must say: your complete unfamiliarity with mining, ganking, and basic game mechanics general, and your reliance on horrible EFT warrior fits, rather remind me of XenuriaGǪ but at least it posts with its main to keep the reputation up.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:10:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:[or hit 2km/s cloaked without MWD). My covops can.
Fit?
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:18:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:do you even know what Reikoku was?
BoB's anime fan club?
They were Goon alts. I don't see what's so special about BoB.
And if Drop really was part of 'oh so great BoB' then why she doesn't have any KB history? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8302
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:25:00 -
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SoGǪ how about those fits?
Or do you just want us to explain to you how (and why) the MWD trick works and save you the trouble?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:33:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:do you even know what Reikoku was? BoB's anime fan club? They were Goon alts. I don't see what's so special about BoB. And if Drop really was part of 'oh so great BoB' then why she doesn't have any KB history?
She has a Corp History, I have a Corp History (well, my main, as linked in sig does). You don't. Posting for other people to post with your main while you refuse to makes you look like you have your pants on your head.
Oh, and that 2km/s Cloaked ship you promised us....
And the 6 more 80k EHP Cruisers you promised us....
-RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:35:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:She has a Corp History, I have a Corp History (well, my main, as linked in sig does). You don't. Posting for other people to post with your main while you refuse to makes you look like you have your pants on your head..
Why she doesn't have any KB history? Why master of killing doesn't have any kills? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:39:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:She has a Corp History, I have a Corp History (well, my main, as linked in sig does). You don't. Posting for other people to post with your main while you refuse to makes you look like you have your pants on your head.. Why she doesn't have any KB history? Why master of killing doesn't have any kills?
Sometimes people use alts for their violence. Who am I to judge.
Now, about that 2km/s Cloaked ship you promised us.
And the 6 further 80k EHP Cruisers.
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8302
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:45:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Why she doesn't have any KB history? Why master of killing doesn't have any kills? Yeah, see, this is why they created that saying about assumptionsGǪ
Who ever said that I'm a master of killing? You're only assuming it because you think that anyone who argues against more protective measures is only out to defend their own advantage. This is, of course, complete nonsense. I'm arguing against more protective measures because they are not needed and because, ultimately, they would be completely useless.
I'm a master of something somewhat related, but completely different, which leads me to make these arguments with a fair amount of conviction. Can you guess what it is?
GǪoh, and no, you can't MWD while cloaked, but if you want an explanation of how and why the mwd-cloak trick works, just say so. It's not particularly complicated or difficult, so I'm sure you can grasp it if you just dare ask.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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