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Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:31:00 - [61] Then what in blazes is your point? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:39:00 - [62] That banning weapons has no direct relation to overall crime, but only to specific percentage of certain crimes. And, alternatively, that legalizing firearms has no direct correlation on crimes caused. An often used argument in favour of legalized weapons is that the person is at a lower risk, this is pretty false, the same goes for banning weapons too. I had a point, but the thread sort of shifted to prisons mid argument and to be honest I can't even remember what my point was. It was also a dig at the US prison system, which I disagree with, but the discussion I tend to get involved in is on a different forum.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 17:52:00 - [63] Well then here is a relevation on the american mind set on gunz just for you. Do you really think we buy them because we think in our wildest dreams that some crazy home invader is going to crash through out door and savage our family? Well Bellum might actually dream that so he can shoot them but for most everyone else its all 100% pure epeen. America is like one of the safest countries in the world to live in despite all the fearmongering you see on our thouroughly corpratized mass media outlets. It's simply that my guns look cooler out hunting or on the range than the other guys wimpy wooden stock rifle that looks like it belonged to their great great great grandpa Wild Willy Pecos of the Badlands. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 18:08:00 - [64] Quite a few do, but of course I'm not judging everyone. I don't think legalizing guns, or rather having them available is a bad thing, I just think America handles them in a bad manner. For example, it is legal to own some weapons in Britain, provided you go through the neccesary(?) checks, and in the event of you being denied, that's it, granted I think that's too strict for the ideal system, but I believe Americas system of owning firearms is far too lenient. Weaponry in general is pretty bloody interesting from a design and engineering point of view and it's something I'm interested in, but the mental imagery involved makes this more or less impossible unfortunately. Besides, our glorious old 1853 Enfields are infinitely superior to your insignificant American plastic toys.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 18:46:00 - [65] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Quite a few do, but of course I'm not judging everyone. I don't think legalizing guns, or rather having them available is a bad thing, I just think America handles them in a bad manner. For example, it is legal to own some weapons in Britain, provided you go through the neccesary(?) checks, and in the event of you being denied, that's it, granted I think that's too strict for the ideal system, but I believe Americas system of owning firearms is far too lenient. Weaponry in general is pretty bloody interesting from a design and engineering point of view and it's something I'm interested in, but the mental imagery involved makes this more or less impossible unfortunately. You have the same checks in america. Any serious crimes ban you from legaly owing even a basic target plinking .22lr rifle let alone a semi-automatic military grade assault rifle with all the bells and whistles. Hell if I wanted I could even get a full automatic liscense but thats just overkill on ammo consumption anyways. Aimed shots > spray 'n pray. Originally by: Irida Mershkov Besides, our glorious old 1853 Enfields are infinitely superior to your insignificant American plastic toys. Gunny Ermey disagrees with your assertations. HOORAH! And my plastic toy can put all 20 rounds center mass at 1000 yards. At night. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.17 18:53:00 - [66] I'll stick with living in a place that has a low enough crime rate that I don't require a firearm to protect myself and my property. Unless of course you're just jerking yourself off because you have a gun, in that case I have a more simple response : lol. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.17 19:08:00 - [67] Guns you say?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 19:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Verone I'll stick with living in a place that has a low enough crime rate that I don't require a firearm to protect myself and my property. Good thing I live in a country that has a lulz low violent crime rate so gun ownership is more a way of life than a requirement for safe day to day living. Besides I like the passive bonuses an armed state gives with the natural check on the goventments grossly outnumbered official forces vs its desire to gain tighter and tighter control of the general populace. Beware my global citizens that what is happening in britain can come a knocking on your door too and if you are not armed then there is litereally nothing you can do if your government decides to stomp on your liberties. Protestiong isn't very effective if the oppressors know they have all the guns. Just ask the average brazillian on the street. Do you really beleive that country would have slid so completely and so quickly into a murderous military dictatorship if the general populace was armed? Think people. Think. For gods sake think before it happens to you next. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 19:17:00 - [69] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 17/02/2010 19:17:54 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Irida Mershkov Quite a few do, but of course I'm not judging everyone. I don't think legalizing guns, or rather having them available is a bad thing, I just think America handles them in a bad manner. For example, it is legal to own some weapons in Britain, provided you go through the neccesary(?) checks, and in the event of you being denied, that's it, granted I think that's too strict for the ideal system, but I believe Americas system of owning firearms is far too lenient. Weaponry in general is pretty bloody interesting from a design and engineering point of view and it's something I'm interested in, but the mental imagery involved makes this more or less impossible unfortunately. You have the same checks in america. Any serious crimes ban you from legaly owing even a basic target plinking .22lr rifle let alone a semi-automatic military grade assault rifle with all the bells and whistles. Hell if I wanted I could even get a full automatic liscense but thats just overkill on ammo consumption anyways. Aimed shots > spray 'n pray. Originally by: Irida Mershkov Besides, our glorious old 1853 Enfields are infinitely superior to your insignificant American plastic toys. Gunny Ermey disagrees with your assertations. HOORAH! And my plastic toy can put all 20 rounds center mass at 1000 yards. At night. That guy is awesome. I don't even have a comeback to this post because that dude is so awesome.
Kijo Rikki Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees	Posted - 2010.02.17 20:19:00 - [70] I very rarely hear about the guy who shot an invader in his home, but I hear almost on a weekly basis if not darned near daily the guy who turned his gun on his spouse. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig.
Fumitsugu The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.02.17 20:42:00 - [71] Edited by: Fumitsugu on 17/02/2010 20:45:06 Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 17/02/2010 14:39:08 Originally by: Fumitsugu Murders per capita: # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms Wait what? More guns = more murders and gun crime? Just melt all your civvies' guns, introduce firearms restrictions, and boom, no need to carry guns any more. And I wouldn't have to listen to yanks solemnly discussing "home security". Just saying. Flame away You have to love statistics I would think without guns you small, rather homogeneous countries, with relatively little land mass, would be able to control your people a little better. I guess you all are bigger failures then the US You throw statistics out there but do not even consider the larger picture and you do not even through up a link to the statistics. Slade Hmmm, so according to you, Slade, the fact that you have a larger landmass and population than the UK is an acceptable reason for having 8 times the gun crime and 3 times as many homicides per capita? Meither France nor the UK can be classed as culturally "homogeneous", either. I thought guns were there to reduce crime? Word your responses as prettily as you will, there is no escaping the simple, positive, relationship between the number of murders in the US and the number of guns lying around there. And no, I'm not going to reference my statistics, I delight in not doing so since I left university. Originally by: Verone I'll stick with living in a place that has a low enough crime rate that I don't require a firearm to protect myself and my property. Unless of course you're just jerking yourself off because you have a gun, in that case I have a more simple response : lol. Hit the nail on the head. ed. Zeba scared me. Dusting off my old FAMAS, digging out my fatigues, and heading to the hills. I will protect my civil liberties!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.17 21:14:00 - [72] Edited by: Zeba on 17/02/2010 21:26:15 Originally by: Fumitsugu ed. Zeba scared me. Dusting off my old FAMAS, digging out my fatigues, and heading to the hills. I will protect my civil liberties! Pffft. Guns to protect our civil libertys.. We in america don't need no stinkin' guns to protect our civil libertys when we have snowballs. edit: But seriously if worst comes to worst you will be a happy man if a sitution arises that needs those safely tucked away fatigues and your old FAMAS. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 01:42:00 - [73] I have always wondered how this 'protect our home' rule works, lets say someone breaks into your house what do you do pull out a gun and shoot him in the face? But then isnt the message "when in danger, shoot first ask questions later" here? Also how would you determine when to use a gun, what situation is it best to, or is it as simple as "If they are on my property and I dont want them here I will shoot" When it comes to hunting why is it ok to shoot an adult couger but not a baby bobcat? When it comes to hunting why arent grenade or explosives used? Say the government did invade your home because of the swineflu nwo twin tower bush monkey aids mind control socialist agenda, what exactly would be able todo? ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:04:00 - [74] Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 02:04:37 I see it's the semi-annual circlejerk of internet tough guys spouting doomsday fantasies and "protect our homes" nonsense. I'm sure that they'll come in real handy for the jackbooted tyranny that you think Barrack ******* Obama will impose upon you. I really hope you enjoy living in a country where you feel the need to carry a lethal weapon around for protection. You are in great company alongside: -Somalia -Yemen -Afghanistan Keep on fighting the good fight! And never forget, telling an Internet Spaceship forum that you own guns makes you a big man! edit: the word filters catches Obama's middle name HAHAHA
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:09:00 - [75] Edited by: Alchemist Zemont on 18/02/2010 02:09:07 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 02:04:37 I see it's the semi-annual circlejerk of internet tough guys spouting doomsday fantasies and "protect our homes" nonsense. I'm sure that they'll come in real handy for the jackbooted tyranny that you think Barrack ******* Obama will impose upon you. I really hope you enjoy living in a country where you feel the need to carry a lethal weapon around for protection. You are in great company alongside: -Somalia -Yemen -Afghanistan Keep on fighting the good fight! And never forget, telling an Internet Spaceship forum that you own guns makes you a big man! edit: the word filters catches Obama's middle name HAHAHA Some of the filtered stuff makes no sense, now why is that censored :S quote my comment to see other weird censored words ** zle **** ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Kijo Rikki I very rarely hear about the guy who shot an invader in his home, but I hear almost on a weekly basis if not darned near daily the guy who turned his gun on his spouse. This is where the majority of violent crime in america is at. Ask any policeman and he will tell you that most of his calls are to homes with two people who simply cannot get along be it the spouse or a next door neighbor. The movies and tv shows that portray all the random gun violence are just that: Shows. The odds of some random person invading your home or place of work and shooting you are faaaar less than getting bonked in the head with a meteor or struck by lightning. Hell I think the main killer in america by several orders of magnitude is still old fashioned heart attacks and cancer with drunken driving coming in a close third and not violent gun crime. Originally by: Fumitsugu I thought guns were there to reduce crime? Word your responses as prettily as you will, there is no escaping the simple, positive, relationship between the number of murders in the US and the number of guns lying around there. And if guns were banned they would stab each other or if knives were banned they would beat each other to death with a bat or if bats were banned they would strangle each other. So should we cut off all our hands then as that always seems to be the common instrument in all killings. Oh wait you can still bite someone on the jugular and kill them so no moar teeth either. Moral? If someone is angry enough to kill they will always find a way. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:22:00 - [77] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 18/02/2010 02:23:58 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 02:04:37 I see it's the semi-annual circlejerk of internet tough guys spouting doomsday fantasies and "protect our homes" nonsense. I'm sure that they'll come in real handy for the jackbooted tyranny that you think Barrack ******* Obama will impose upon you. I really hope you enjoy living in a country where you feel the need to carry a lethal weapon around for protection. You are in great company alongside: -Somalia -Yemen -Afghanistan Keep on fighting the good fight! And never forget, telling an Internet Spaceship forum that you own guns makes you a big man! edit: the word filters catches Obama's middle name HAHAHA ~~Out of all the places to list on the Earth for your examples, you picked Yemen? I can understand the other two, but Yemen? seriously?~~ Edit: I'm thinking of another nation, Irida go sleepy now.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Alchemist Zemont I have always wondered how this 'protect our home' rule works, lets say someone breaks into your house what do you do pull out a gun and shoot him in the face? But then isnt the message "when in danger, shoot first ask questions later" here? Also how would you determine when to use a gun, what situation is it best to, or is it as simple as "If they are on my property and I dont want them here I will shoot" When it comes to hunting why is it ok to shoot an adult couger but not a baby bobcat? When it comes to hunting why arent grenade or explosives used? Say the government did invade your home because of the swineflu nwo twin tower bush monkey aids mind control socialist agenda, what exactly would be able todo? If you're in the United States, the 'rules' vary widely depending on what state you live in. How it works where I live: we have what we call the 'castle doctrine', and this applies to your person whether or not you're outside your house or not. It basically means that you have the right to remain where you are and aren't required to try and flee before using deadly force to defend your life or the life of another person. Deadly force is authorized if you are in fear of your life or someone else's. How you articulate this is open for interpretation. If someone is in my home then indeed I'm 'in fear for my life' and will apply deadly force as required until the threat is stopped. Interpret that how you will. The same rules apply if you're in your vehicle or on foot. The difference between the three situations is primarily the physical boundary provided by the vehicle or structure that makes it a little easier to define when someone has made an intentional move to press the assault and when they have not. As for your local laws and regulations, they may be very different. If you live in say, California or Illinois then you're pretty much screwed when it comes to defending yourself. Or the UK, or Japan, or Australia... lol. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:32:00 - [79] Originally by: Kijo Rikki I very rarely hear about the guy who shot an invader in his home, but I hear almost on a weekly basis if not darned near daily the guy who turned his gun on his spouse. I hear about people who defend themselves and save the lives of others all the time. It's just that most people aren't smart enough to do any reading beyond what the major news agencies put in their laps. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Bellum Eternus As for your local laws and regulations, they may be very different. If you live in say, California or Illinois then you're pretty much screwed when it comes to defending yourself. Or the UK, or Japan, or Australia... lol. In return, they have 1/4 of the crime that America does. Seems like a fair trade.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:36:00 - [81] Linkage Let me guess, this doesn't matter because it's the mainstream liberal media trying to keep us down?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:45:00 - [82] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Linkage Let me guess, this doesn't matter because it's the mainstream liberal media trying to keep us down? Yeah, where I live Mexicans are a big problem as well. Very big. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:46:00 - [83] Oh ok. I guess gun crime is fine as long as it's "not in MY backyard!".
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:51:00 - [84] So let me get this correct, owning a gun is legal and fine but smoking pot is 'bad' and illegal epic logic ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:52:00 - [85] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Oh ok. I guess gun crime is fine as long as it's "not in MY backyard!". It's not 'gun crime'. Lol. "Gun crime" is some term they dreamed up in the UK. Along with "knife crime" (once they banned guns) and now "club crime" since they're banning all pointy knives. It's crime perpetrated by drug cartels. The fact that the guns are coming from the US only means that it's easier to get them from here than from South America or somewhere else. All that tells me is that our border isn't secure. If it's hard enough to acquire guns from the US, they'll look elsewhere. All of a sudden, it's not our fault they're killing each other if they're not using our guns to do it, right? It isn't our fault they're killing each other, or with guns from the US. They're simply criminals. Banning guns in the US won't change the end result. Only an idiot would think so. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:57:00 - [86] Originally by: Alchemist Zemont So let me get this correct, owning a gun is legal and fine but smoking pot is 'bad' and illegal epic logic For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:59:00 - [87] Originally by: Zeba For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? The small minority of people who use guns to kill are still more deadly than pot.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:00:00 - [88] Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 18/02/2010 03:00:13 double post
Alchemist Zemont Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:03:00 - [89] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Alchemist Zemont So let me get this correct, owning a gun is legal and fine but smoking pot is 'bad' and illegal epic logic For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? Wow just wow! I eat too much fruit and veg, doctor says I could die because insane amounts of fiber can kill me, also the sugar makes me hyperactive and will cause diabetes, but I am hooked on the chems you find in netural fruit / veg SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what I will do is make fruit / veg illegal because EVERYONE has huge excessive amounts like me and legalise guns ______________________________________ Due to a high amount of tears and childish behaviour I wont say anything negative, wouldnt want to make anymore people cry :'(
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Zeba For the vast majority of people a smoking gun means that dastardly target ring at the end of the range is dead. Stupid ebil target rings must die.. Smoking pot however means that some brain cells in that big squishy grey mass at the end of your medulla oblongata are dead and don't even get me started on the number of lives which are ruined by excessive drug use. So which would you outlaw? The small minority of people who use guns to kill are still more deadly than pot. Statistically? Not Even Close.. Pot is the cause of moar fatal accidents due to hindered reaction times and situational awareness in this country that all gun crime combined. So you want to go on a crusade to save life in numbers that actually mean something? Try to get cigarettes banned. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.

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