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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.18 18:34:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Kijo Rikki
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Pot is the cause of moar fatal accidents
I challenge your assertation by the fact that I find it extremely difficult to even leave the couch once I've gotten borked. 
Well thats just mighty white of you to be consciensious in your drug use by only doing it at home where you can only be a danger to yourself or loved ones. However you are not the guy driving down a road toking on a fatty so your counter assertation is irrelevant. 
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Food also doesn't come from people killing animals that they know to be inedible.
Outside of feeding yourself, food doesn't come from hunting at all. But please, continue to try and justify owning a weapon.
http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw
Awesome.
People seem to forget that not every part of america is like the sterile urban carebearland of the subdivision way of life. Granted there are not too many wild west like places left but the ones that are still around can be pretty dangerous.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Kelly Luzita
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.18 18:41:00 -
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I have been using Federal 5.56mm NATO 55-Gr. comes in a nice box of 900 on striper clips for 499$ us :)I just keep it in the box it comes in. For Kicks some times I also shoot American Eagle 5.56mm. Tactical Tracer Ammunition. Keeps the kids next door on there own property no more ATV tracks on my land :) If I bring out the big gun I have been using Magtech .50 BMG right from the box it comes in. Every thing i pick up comes with a Dry-Storage Box.
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Neyro7830
Gallente
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.18 22:08:00 -
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so from this thread we can safely assume this pyrhus guy and this alchemist zemond guy are complete idiots and have no idea what they are talking about? cool
Also, just applied for my CCR license, intend to start collecting vintage pre-WW2 bolt action rifles. Starting with a hex reciever Mosin Nagant... err I mean Deadly Sniper Assault Cannon.
And I guess I have to start killing people with it because thats the only thing you can use guns for. 
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Lai Nat
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Posted - 2010.02.18 22:37:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Fumitsugu
Murders per capita:
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms
# 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms
Wait what? More guns = more murders and gun crime? Just melt all your civvies' guns, introduce firearms restrictions, and boom, no need to carry guns any more. And I wouldn't have to listen to yanks solemnly discussing "home security".
Just saying. Flame away
And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons. HOORAY! Here Mr. Criminal Man, please take whatever you want from my house. Oh? You have a gun too? Well, take my car too!
I'd rather have armed citizens than helpless ones. 
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.18 23:59:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Lai Nat
And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons.
Like every other civilized country on the planet?
The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:16:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Originally by: Lai Nat
And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons.
Like every other civilized country on the planet?
The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding.
So riddle me this then batman. If you are saying that law abiding citizens with guns do not have any effect on gun death because its the criminals who are doing the shooting then why is it such an issue if a law abiding citizen owns a gun? So what possible positive gain could be had by denying said law abiding citizen from some measure of self defence?
The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding. 
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:22:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Originally by: Lai Nat
And then all the law abiding citizens would be unarmed, and the criminals would still have their weapons.
Like every other civilized country on the planet?
The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding.
So riddle me this then batman. If you are saying that law abiding citizens with guns do not have any effect on gun death because its the criminals who are doing the shooting then why is it such an issue if a law abiding citizen owns a gun? So what possible positive gain could be had by denying said law abiding citizen from some measure of self defence?
The cognitive dissonance you display is astounding.
Are you saying that you fellate large Puerto Ricans every night?
(see, I can completely make up 'quotes' too!)
Citizens with guns do have an effect.
Quote:
Murders per capita:
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms
# 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms
Please, refute the numbers instead of making strawmen.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:35:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Are you saying that you fellate large Puerto Ricans every night?
Eww of course not and quit projecting your personal fantasys on innocent forum residents please. 
Quote:
Murders per capita:
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people, 65% of homicides committed with firearms
# 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people, 8% of homicides committed with firearms
Please, refute the numbers instead of making strawmen.
Homicides all committed by criminals mostly on other criminals or in the rare cases of fatal domestic violence. So I'm still not seeing the connection to armed law abiding citizens or how those gun homicide numbers could be reduced by takeing guns away from people who never shoot them in acts of personal violence. Remember you said you can't confiscate the criminals guns because they are criminals and don't register their firearms with the authorities. So put down the blunt mate its causing your neurons to missfire and for gods sake don't leave your basement in that condition. 
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:42:00 -
[129]
Then why the enormous discrepancy?
Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:44:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Then why the enormous discrepancy?
Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes?
SAY IT AINT SO JOE.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:48:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Then why the enormous discrepancy?
Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes?
SAY IT AINT SO JOE.
Top secret hint: The answer is in the question!
(but questions are for LIEberal hippies  )
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:01:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Then why the enormous discrepancy?
Why, in a country with more guns, are there more gun crimes?
Because we have a much higher base population with a mish mash of different immigrant races who don't always get along even with each other and a border that has moar holes than your head that lets in lots of immigrant criminals who have no issues popping a cap in the competition. Call me back when legitimate gun owners who do not contribute to those stats actually start contributing to those stats. What you are doing is confusing a rather bad social issue of our moar robust criminal element with illegal guns with the non issue of our peaceful and law abiding citizens who legaly own guns. So again please spell out how banning honest citizens from owning guns will change that number to a lower number.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:12:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 01:13:12
Canada also has a mishmash of different races, and a more lax border than America. In fact, I've heard Britain has some of those violent brown people as well.
By your logic, Canada should be an absolute slaughterhouse (it's not).
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:22:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2010 01:23:20
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 01:13:12
Canada also has a mishmash of different races, and a more lax border than America. In fact, I've heard Britain has some of those violent brown people as well.
By your logic, Canada should be an absolute slaughterhouse (it's not).
I said its a social issue. Does one countrys social issues mean all of them have to have it because they share certain generic immigrant and border problems that all countries face? Also Canada mostly borders polar bears and loner mid western guncrazy types who don't stray far from home. Plus Canada never had the disasterous open door policy the US had after WW2 that still echos with violence to this day from everyone dumping their violent criminals and insane ward patients on us. The US on the other hand has this godawful open border with mexico that lets in all the ultra violent drug dealers from south america into its citys. The worst ultra violent border crossers Canada has to suffer is drunken americans at a hockey game. Which is an entierly different social issue. So keep poasting mate so I can keep rolling over you as this is kinda fun.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:26:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Zeba
Plus Canada never had the disasterous open door policy the US had after WW2 that still echos with violence to this day.
I'm sorry, I think you just said that Canada didn't have open door immigration after WW2.
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Achbar Noir
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:30:00 -
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Home defense rocks.....
If you don't understand this, I really feel sorry for you.
Enjoy your "At the Mercy of the Whims of the privledged few" life.
The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country.
Who knows, they might soon find out how ****ed we are.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:31:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Originally by: Zeba
Plus Canada never had the disasterous open door policy the US had after WW2 that still echos with violence to this day.
I'm sorry, I think you just said that Canada didn't have open door immigration after WW2.
I said the disasterous open door policy. Noone had any issues with Canada at that time or even now as far as I know but lots of people had much beef with the US so they sent all their human refuse to our shores not Canada's. And I am still waiting for your explanation on how taking away an honest citizens gun will reduce illegal gun crime. So keep poastin. 
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:32:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Achbar Noir
The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country.
The "privilidged few" keep you so terrified of each other that you feel the need to carry guns in public.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:36:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Originally by: Achbar Noir
The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country.
The "privilidged few" keep you so terrified of each other that you feel the need to carry guns in public.
Now ur just trollin..
Oh wait a sec. Bellum? Is that you? 
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:50:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Zeba
And I am still waiting for your explanation on how taking away an honest citizens gun will reduce illegal gun crime. So keep poastin.
In countries where there are fewer guns in circulation, there is less gun crime. It follows that restricting the sale and ownership of guns in the United States will reduce gun crime ("illegal gun crime" is a tautology).
For evidence, please see the statistics that have been posted many many times in this very thread.
So point 1: easier access to guns correlates to more gun crime.
You argue that people have a right to guns in order to defend themselves. This line of thinking has led to easily available guns in the United States(see point 1 for the consequences).
Does legitimate gun ownership prevent deaths and protect property. Yes. Yes it does. I do not dispute this point. However, is it an effective means to prevent deaths and protect property. No, it is not. Despite having a well armed populace, America has a murder rate many times higher than the UK or similar countries, and an enormous percentage of these murders are caused by guns. Criminals in the UK and Canada still have guns, criminals will always have guns. Again, this is a point I do not dispute. However, Canada and the UK have fewer guns, and fewer gun crimes.
We can come to only one conclusion, point 2: Any self-defense benefit of legitimate gun ownership is mitigated by point 1.
You are attacking a strawman by suggesting that gun control means taking away "honest citizen's" guns. When it actually means controlling or restricting the access that ordinary citizen's have to guns. Your gun, indeed any legally purchased and owned guns, would be grandfathered in, as they are in Canada in the UK.
Just to reiterate the two points that are blindingly obvious to most civilized nations:
1. Restricted access to guns correlates to lower murder rates and gun crime.
2. Any self-defense benefit of easy access to guns is mitigated (indeed, obliterated) by point 1.
If legitimate gun ownership is an effective and reasonable means of self-defense, why isn't the murder and gun crime rate in America lower?
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:55:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Zeba
Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2010 01:41:57
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
Originally by: Achbar Noir
The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country.
The "privilidged few" keep you so terrified of each other that you feel the need to carry guns in public.
Now ur just trollin..
Oh wait a sec. Bellum? Is that you?
edit: or is it arvald.. 
Ohh... OUCH Zeba! Ouch! LOL!
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Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 02:13:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2010 02:15:30
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
So point 1: easier access to guns correlates to more gun crime.
This is a fair point and the reason we have such stringent gun control laws by our standards. But the problem is that even if you shut down all the arms makers they would just skip across the border to mexico and then be able to supply the ultra violent criminals directly to stay in business. The only reason we have so many arms makers located domestically is because we have so many gun owners so the profits are better to base in america. So the net effect would be the criminals would still have access to guns due to how easy it is to get stuff across the border and honest citizens would no longer have a defence if the worst happend. Great solution you have there. You should immigrate and run for office.
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
If legitimate gun ownership is an effective and reasonable means of self-defense, why isn't the murder and gun crime rate in America lower?
Because of all the other issues unique to this country that have not a thing to do with guns that I sketched out in one of my replys above that you ignored and simply went context whoor on me by picking out an irrelevant bit and ad hominem attacked. So if by some miracle god banished every pistol and rifle in america the very same people would just start using bats and chains and knives to kill each other giving us the exact same death rate by homicide only with "Bowie Knife" as the main cause of death. OMG ban Bowie Knives. 
Also you keep convieninently forgetting the massive amount of crime an armed america prevents. Without an armed general citizenry the numbers would be even worse though tbh I think you are misreading the actual impact on daily life in the US those numbers actually convey. I'm well into my middle age and have yet to see any violence personally ever. Noone I have ever known has ever personally seen these fatal shootouts that by your tone seem to be a daily occourance we all have to watch out for. So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news. So yet again please explain how taking away the gun rights of honest citizens will drop the murder rate.
You fail sir. But I 07 your trolling abilities. So keep poasting. 
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Ohh... OUCH Zeba! Ouch! LOL!
I've witnessed your work before.. Just had a familiar ring to it was all and I did finger arvald too so nyah.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Pyrhus Taavi
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Posted - 2010.02.19 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 02:26:22
Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 19/02/2010 02:23:42
Originally by: Zeba
Also you keep convieninently forgetting the massive amount of crime an armed america prevents.
THIS IS STATISTICALLY FALSE
Quote:
So yet again please explain how taking away the gun rights of honest citizens will drop the murder rate.
The same way it has in most civilized nations!
You have been confronted with evidence that more guns correlates to more gun crime, and that an armed populace does not mitigate crime. Your only refutation is that "America is unique" and "it's all the immigrants fault".
There is not a :psyduck: big enough.
edit: **** it. It's good enough for me that I don't live in fear of my fellow citizens. Enjoy your self-imposed police state. You are literally so terrified of each other that you have created a virtual panopticon and armed yourselves.
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Higgs Bison
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Posted - 2010.02.19 02:35:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:37:00
Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:36:30
Originally by: Zeba
So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news.
Serious question:
If that rate is so low, then why do you feel the need to carry a gun for protection?
edited because I'm terrible at bb tags
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.19 02:44:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Higgs Bison
Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:37:00
Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:36:30
Originally by: Zeba
So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news.
Serious question:
If that rate is so low, then why do you feel the need to carry a gun for protection?
edited because I'm terrible at bb tags
Do you have a fire extinguisher in your residence?
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Higgs Bison
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Posted - 2010.02.19 02:55:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:57:00
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Higgs Bison
Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:37:00
Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:36:30
Originally by: Zeba
So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news.
Serious question:
If that rate is so low, then why do you feel the need to carry a gun for protection?
edited because I'm terrible at bb tags
Do you have a fire extinguisher in your residence?
This link indicates that there were 1.5 million fires in 2008. This link says there were 16.204 murders.
Again, a serious question (since the last 3 pages have been trolling), at what rate do you feel it necessary to be prepared? Since the incidence of fires is obviously much higher than murders, is there a threshold for assaults or murders below which you would feel safe without a gun?
edit again: There is really no way I could word this without it sounding like baiting  . I'm genuinely curious because I live in a country that has completely contrary views on guns compared to America.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.19 02:59:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
In countries where there are fewer guns in circulation, there is less gun crime. It follows that restricting the sale and ownership of guns in the United States will reduce gun crime ("illegal gun crime" is a tautology).
For evidence, please see the statistics that have been posted many many times in this very thread.
So point 1: easier access to guns correlates to more gun crime.
You argue that people have a right to guns in order to defend themselves. This line of thinking has led to easily available guns in the United States(see point 1 for the consequences).
Does legitimate gun ownership prevent deaths and protect property. Yes. Yes it does. I do not dispute this point. However, is it an effective means to prevent deaths and protect property. No, it is not. Despite having a well armed populace, America has a murder rate many times higher than the UK or similar countries, and an enormous percentage of these murders are caused by guns. Criminals in the UK and Canada still have guns, criminals will always have guns. Again, this is a point I do not dispute. However, Canada and the UK have fewer guns, and fewer gun crimes.
We can come to only one conclusion, point 2: Any self-defense benefit of legitimate gun ownership is mitigated by point 1.
You are attacking a strawman by suggesting that gun control means taking away "honest citizen's" guns. When it actually means controlling or restricting the access that ordinary citizen's have to guns. Your gun, indeed any legally purchased and owned guns, would be grandfathered in, as they are in Canada in the UK.
Just to reiterate the two points that are blindingly obvious to most civilized nations:
1. Restricted access to guns correlates to lower murder rates and gun crime.
2. Any self-defense benefit of easy access to guns is mitigated (indeed, obliterated) by point 1.
If legitimate gun ownership is an effective and reasonable means of self-defense, why isn't the murder and gun crime rate in America lower?
When you look at the total premature death rate in the US and then look at what percentage gun related deaths is of that, then you will see how little your argument really matters.
Guns deaths are such an insignificant percentage of the actual premature death rate it is not even funny. Yes crime sucks, but what really will taking guns out of the hands of non criminals really accomplish? Maybe a .5% decrease in the US death rate if you are even remotely lucky.
The issue is not guns it is the numerous other social issues the US fails at working out.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.19 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
THIS IS STATISTICALLY FALSE
Orly? Well in that case, THIS IS.. AMERICA! Prove it conclusively with hard facts and numbers from legitimate sources. Otherwise admit its just your foreign never 'actualy been to america for longer than it took to hop on the connecting flight to the bahamas' personal opinion which like all personal foreign national opinions mean nothing to me.
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
The same way it has in most civilized nations!
You have been confronted with evidence that more guns correlates to more gun crime, and that an armed populace does not mitigate crime. Your only refutation is that "America is unique" and "it's all the immigrants fault".
Well the hard truth is that for america it is. Most other countries in the world are of a mostly single race even though they still like to divide it up into subclasses to justify killing their fellow man. Like for instance what happened in iraq before and after the first war. They all looked like arabs to me on tv but apparently something about what specific branch of the single religion they all worshiped made some of them 'infidels' to be gassed en mass by its government down to the last man women or helpless child in the vile heathens village. And thats just when you have a near monoculture. In america we have vastly different cultures all living in close proximity the majority of which recently came from a third world country with violence as a daily threat to life like our african and south american immigrants who brought their legacy of using ultra violence to solve problems with them to our moastly civilized shores. Even then the vast majority of them live a peaceful and productive life as they adjust to the easy living in america its just that when violence is what you were raised on and tempers flare its it tends to go right for the head shot.
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
There is not a :psyduck: big enough.
For me? Absolutely not as I stay informed about what goes on around me without injecting personal bias into the analysis of the gathered information. However you seem to have little resistance. Sorry about that mate. 
Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi
edit: **** it. It's good enough for me that I don't live in fear of my fellow citizens. Enjoy your self-imposed police state.
Much like most players don't get the goons most countries don't get america. We Don't Really Care About What YOU Think. You look at stats and lists and make judgment calls about 'whoa look at that we are sooooo much better moraly than them because even though we still have violent murderers stalking the land the fact that they are forced to use knives and bats makes us superiour so take that you barbaric yankees'. Otoh when a non american makes his opinion about america known all we see is another chump falling for the same crap chumps always fall for and then saying it tastes great too. There is no police state in america. There is no rampant violent crime that has our citizens cowering in fear. There is nothing but sunny days and fun for all except the the very small minority of people for whom an honest living is too boring and passe' so they spice it up with a life of crime instead of honest work. I think I know what is the real issue though. America is much like eve in that it is a huge friggin sandbox that you can live pretty much any way you like as long as you don't get caught no matter what side of good or evil you may reside on.. We also have this cultural worship thing about firearms too that seem to frighten and annoy our friends across the pond so I'll leave you with this comment.
Carebears. The lot of you.*
*Disclaimer. If you are a non american reading this poast don't get your knickers in a bind as I realize that the vast majority of you are just normal peace loving folks who like to live like a normal rational person. You were not the target of my poast.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Digital Solaris
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.19 03:22:00 -
[149]
I read a Bellum-thread and there is no blaster whine? WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?! |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.19 04:14:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Higgs Bison
This link indicates that there were 1.5 million fires in 2008. This link says there were 16.204 murders.
Again, a serious question (since the last 3 pages have been trolling), at what rate do you feel it necessary to be prepared? Since the incidence of fires is obviously much higher than murders, is there a threshold for assaults or murders below which you would feel safe without a gun?
edit again: There is really no way I could word this without it sounding like baiting . I'm genuinely curious because I live in a country that has completely contrary views on guns compared to America.
The issue, as I see it, is that people like yourselves apply some sort of difference or stigma towards firearms in comparison to something more mundane like a hammer or a wrench, or indeed, a fire extinguisher. Any of them can be a weapon or a tool depending on how they're implemented by the person wielding them.
Have you ever personally had a fire where you needed a fire extinguisher and didn't have one? If that ever happens to you, you'll never be without one again.
The odds of being attacked by another person are higher than that of being struck by lightning, but I don't sit out in the middle of a field during a lightning storm just because it's not likely to happen.
It's not fear that drives most people to carry a weapon. It's common sense. The funny part is that most people who wouldn't consider carrying a weapon usually come close to being assaulted and don't even know it because they don't recognize it when they see it. It's similar to how people who have never used drugs or never been drunk don't recognize people who are on the stuff and being subtle about it.
Most people are simply too ignorant to see it.
So to answer your question, at what rate do I feel it necessary to be prepared? If the risk is greater than zero, it's a problem. and for the record, I've been assaulted by criminals more than once in my life, and not for lack of trying to maintain a safe environment.
Few countries are as large as the United States. Most of our states are larger than a lot of countries in the world. The murder rate per person IMO isn't a linear thing with respect to population centers and population density. Further, I think that simple statistics without context are meaningless anyway. I know far more people who's lives have been protected due to firearms than those who have been harmed.
Firearms are like anything else- cars, knives, golf clubs. Anyone who is incompetent or malevolent can turn any of them into a lethal instrument. It depends entirely on the person, not the object.
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