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BasTid	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 - [31] Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:37:40 Originally by: slothe Originally by: BasTid Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05 i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect". theres no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to politics, just personal perspectives. Though this post may be seem wrong to you, through my personal experiences its right. so your asking anti-pirate corps to attack BoB cos you say were pirates? LOL
BasTid	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 - [32] Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:37:40 Originally by: slothe Originally by: BasTid Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05 i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect". theres no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to politics, just personal perspectives. Though this post may be seem wrong to you, through my personal experiences its right. so your asking anti-pirate corps to attack BoB cos you say were pirates? LOL
bUBbLeS	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 - [33] Originally by: slothe personally i dont like cake, never have done. i do like pie tho SEEEEE he's ebil he dont like cAKe he r t3h pie-rat ebil ebil man Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
bUBbLeS	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 - [34] Originally by: slothe personally i dont like cake, never have done. i do like pie tho SEEEEE he's ebil he dont like cAKe he r t3h pie-rat ebil ebil man Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? No, just loot*****s Yeah....... /me stares at lian. Sass Arcane Technologies
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 - [36] Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? No, just loot*****s Yeah....... /me stares at lian. Sass Arcane Technologies
Betty Boom	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:36:00 - [37] As long BoB attacked PA it was ok ... I remember a sentence I heard a long time ago : 'Who is in Evolution has no friends' For me, Evol has now a much better politic then some month ago. I can say I like them a bit.
Betty Boom	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:36:00 - [38] As long BoB attacked PA it was ok ... I remember a sentence I heard a long time ago : 'Who is in Evolution has no friends' For me, Evol has now a much better politic then some month ago. I can say I like them a bit.
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:39:00 - [39] Originally by: bUBbLeS Originally by: slothe personally i dont like cake, never have done. i do like pie tho SEEEEE he's ebil he dont like cAKe he r t3h pie-rat ebil ebil man /me hands bubs a xtra large slice of strawberry gatteu. chill bubs. Sass Arcane Technologies
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:39:00 - [40] Originally by: bUBbLeS Originally by: slothe personally i dont like cake, never have done. i do like pie tho SEEEEE he's ebil he dont like cAKe he r t3h pie-rat ebil ebil man /me hands bubs a xtra large slice of strawberry gatteu. chill bubs. Sass Arcane Technologies
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:40:00 - [41] Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 14:43:29 Originally by: bUBbLeS Quote: but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. does that mean you dont like cAKe? i will be upset if u dont like cAKe Sour cAKe you say, sour cake is still good cAKe: SOUR CREAM POUND CAKE 3 sticks butter + cup milk 3 cups Sucanat with Honey 1 cup sour cream 5 eggs 1 tsp. vanilla extract 4 cups soft wheat flour 1 tsp. lemon extract (optional) ¢ tsp. baking powder ¢ tsp. salt Preheat oven to 300. Cream butter and Sucanat with Honey until light and fluffy. Add eggs one at a time. In separate bowl, combine dry ingredients. Add alternately with milk and sour cream mixing well after each addition. Add vanilla and lemon extracts; mix well. Pour batter into a greased and floured tube or bundt pan. Bake 1 hour and 30 minutes. Do not open the door while baking. Let cool in pan 10 minutes then invert onto platter. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:40:00 - [42] Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 14:43:29 Originally by: bUBbLeS Quote: but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. does that mean you dont like cAKe? i will be upset if u dont like cAKe Sour cAKe you say, sour cake is still good cAKe: SOUR CREAM POUND CAKE 3 sticks butter + cup milk 3 cups Sucanat with Honey 1 cup sour cream 5 eggs 1 tsp. vanilla extract 4 cups soft wheat flour 1 tsp. lemon extract (optional) ¢ tsp. baking powder ¢ tsp. salt Preheat oven to 300. Cream butter and Sucanat with Honey until light and fluffy. Add eggs one at a time. In separate bowl, combine dry ingredients. Add alternately with milk and sour cream mixing well after each addition. Add vanilla and lemon extracts; mix well. Pour batter into a greased and floured tube or bundt pan. Bake 1 hour and 30 minutes. Do not open the door while baking. Let cool in pan 10 minutes then invert onto platter. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Sassinak Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? No, just loot*****s Yeah....... /me stares at lian. Are you implying something there? This is not a hijack
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Sassinak Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? No, just loot*****s Yeah....... /me stares at lian. Are you implying something there? This is not a hijack
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:47:00 - [45] Edited by: Ghost Red on 26/11/2004 14:49:38 Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Sassinak Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? No, just loot*****s Yeah....... /me stares at lian. Are you implying something there? For gods sake lian, do some work and stop trying to derail this important and discussion worthy thread. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:47:00 - [46] Edited by: Ghost Red on 26/11/2004 14:49:38 Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Sassinak Originally by: Lianhaun Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? No, just loot*****s Yeah....... /me stares at lian. Are you implying something there? For gods sake lian, do some work and stop trying to derail this important and discussion worthy thread. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Rath Amon	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? and indians judging from your haircut
Rath Amon	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? and indians judging from your haircut
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Rath Amon Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? and indians judging from your haircut Funnily enough, I have a tomahawk stuck in my butt. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Rath Amon Originally by: Ghost Red There are pirates in Eve? and indians judging from your haircut Funnily enough, I have a tomahawk stuck in my butt. -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:52:00 - [51] As you know RKK were 'anti-pirates' once apon a time, there was even talks of rkk, celest and mlm merging at one point, but look where being anti-pirate got rkk? we helped keep pure blind clean of 'pirates' and for our trouble we got walked over and disrespected by numerous PA corps. Anyway that is the past, we've grown to see that the world of EVE isn't black & white, good/evil, its just people who give you a reason to shoot at them or those who dont. Celest IMO have gotten themself stuck in this anti pirate thing as their are no pirates left in eve, even corps like trudragons and teddybears aren't pirates, granted this maybe down to CCP but thats not what we are discussing here, they are gankers. Celest attack those who they dislike how they work and use 'anti-pirate' as a reason, in this way they are no different to BoB
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:52:00 - [52] As you know RKK were 'anti-pirates' once apon a time, there was even talks of rkk, celest and mlm merging at one point, but look where being anti-pirate got rkk? we helped keep pure blind clean of 'pirates' and for our trouble we got walked over and disrespected by numerous PA corps. Anyway that is the past, we've grown to see that the world of EVE isn't black & white, good/evil, its just people who give you a reason to shoot at them or those who dont. Celest IMO have gotten themself stuck in this anti pirate thing as their are no pirates left in eve, even corps like trudragons and teddybears aren't pirates, granted this maybe down to CCP but thats not what we are discussing here, they are gankers. Celest attack those who they dislike how they work and use 'anti-pirate' as a reason, in this way they are no different to BoB
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:53:00 - [53] Originally by: juduzz TBH i find most this post hipercritical. Like some pirate corps have BOB set +10 and bob contains pirates.NO SHT the official NSA stance was "condoning" it about 3 weeks ago because you had half those corps in BOB to +10. Now that they are attacking you OMG there wrong..but if there our friends OMG they the good guys. Yes they are the bad guys some are pirates. What are they? an enermy you trying to do a JF the way they tried to make the PA look ebil and all that crap,(although in this case they are ebil at self admitance not the good guys). tell me will we get some BS accusations that BOB is hiring mercs that 1 week later join your alliance or some crap? All in all though its got feck all to do with any one else TBH cept the ppl who are fighting em. Personal opinion only as i hate hipocricy* roflcopters & lollerskates! Juduzz hits the nail on the head! Whilst we're not attacking NSA we're all ok and can be tolerated, they drop a clanger and end up on the wrong end of our guns and now we're all pirates....ONOS fancy that! Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:53:00 - [54] Originally by: juduzz TBH i find most this post hipercritical. Like some pirate corps have BOB set +10 and bob contains pirates.NO SHT the official NSA stance was "condoning" it about 3 weeks ago because you had half those corps in BOB to +10. Now that they are attacking you OMG there wrong..but if there our friends OMG they the good guys. Yes they are the bad guys some are pirates. What are they? an enermy you trying to do a JF the way they tried to make the PA look ebil and all that crap,(although in this case they are ebil at self admitance not the good guys). tell me will we get some BS accusations that BOB is hiring mercs that 1 week later join your alliance or some crap? All in all though its got feck all to do with any one else TBH cept the ppl who are fighting em. Personal opinion only as i hate hipocricy* roflcopters & lollerskates! Juduzz hits the nail on the head! Whilst we're not attacking NSA we're all ok and can be tolerated, they drop a clanger and end up on the wrong end of our guns and now we're all pirates....ONOS fancy that! Eve Blacklight Style
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:56:00 - [55] Sure bits of the first post might be a little inaccurate but on the whole its interesting and civil and well worth reading. As long as you don't get all defensive about this stuff its always worth reading other viewpoints: Mine: well, I have been in the north for a longtime and I joined Jericho Fraction for the first time during the War against Taggart and their Pirate friends (which was a war for freedom quite clearly). I left for a time to join Celestial Apocalypse after JF was booted out of the PA + Biomass truce (I wanted to fight bad guys) and I returned later when the corp was fighting for its life against the FE and their allies again. What I also know is that yes, Jericho Fraction was totally committed to forming some new post-war order in the north after the PA war was won that would be better than what was there before. But things went wrong. Partially that was due to the atmosphere of the fighting and the way it all got super nasty with people complaining about each other and petitioning this and that every couple of hours. Partly it was because people (pvp'ers and miners and whatever) do get bored of set conflicts and do get war-weariness and seek peace at any cost (on both sides). All this led to people leaving the fight, or being silenced or withdrawing from the decisions and broke up the clarity of the conflict. It also led to the breaking of the agreement made between all the anti-PA powers at the beginning: that all would keep fighting the PA until all were satisfied it should stop so that none would be left behind. Because that agreement failed it meant the divisions were blurred and the sides got confused. In a way I suppose that means the PA is to be congratulated at a campaign well-played because they have divided their enemies and continue to exist in some form. As for Jericho Fraction well, whatever you might think of us we have a dogged determination to keep our word. We are a small corp and the northern war came very close to destroying us. Our pilots literally went "all in" to this fight and some lost everything (including their enjoyment of the game) - some left us because we couldn't afford to pvp 24/7, some left us because the violent forum battles meant that no roleplaying could be publicly done without getting flamed. Then we lost our leader and only Athule's guidence and withdrawl from public slanging matches has given us a chance to continue and rebuild the corp. But we are still here, and still keeping the promise we made. We remain at war with the PA and CA until the conflict is over for everyone who we considered NCA allies. I might not like the actions of some of our friends, and I might thinks some of them have gone nuts, but thats all irrelevent. We made a commitment and everyone has got to know that when JF makes a promise and says its your ally thats the way its going to stay. For better or for worse until the job is done. All ya got in the big black is your reputation and ours is "JF don't jump ship when the goings tough" Star Fraction
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2004.11.26 14:56:00 - [56] Sure bits of the first post might be a little inaccurate but on the whole its interesting and civil and well worth reading. As long as you don't get all defensive about this stuff its always worth reading other viewpoints: Mine: well, I have been in the north for a longtime and I joined Jericho Fraction for the first time during the War against Taggart and their Pirate friends (which was a war for freedom quite clearly). I left for a time to join Celestial Apocalypse after JF was booted out of the PA + Biomass truce (I wanted to fight bad guys) and I returned later when the corp was fighting for its life against the FE and their allies again. What I also know is that yes, Jericho Fraction was totally committed to forming some new post-war order in the north after the PA war was won that would be better than what was there before. But things went wrong. Partially that was due to the atmosphere of the fighting and the way it all got super nasty with people complaining about each other and petitioning this and that every couple of hours. Partly it was because people (pvp'ers and miners and whatever) do get bored of set conflicts and do get war-weariness and seek peace at any cost (on both sides). All this led to people leaving the fight, or being silenced or withdrawing from the decisions and broke up the clarity of the conflict. It also led to the breaking of the agreement made between all the anti-PA powers at the beginning: that all would keep fighting the PA until all were satisfied it should stop so that none would be left behind. Because that agreement failed it meant the divisions were blurred and the sides got confused. In a way I suppose that means the PA is to be congratulated at a campaign well-played because they have divided their enemies and continue to exist in some form. As for Jericho Fraction well, whatever you might think of us we have a dogged determination to keep our word. We are a small corp and the northern war came very close to destroying us. Our pilots literally went "all in" to this fight and some lost everything (including their enjoyment of the game) - some left us because we couldn't afford to pvp 24/7, some left us because the violent forum battles meant that no roleplaying could be publicly done without getting flamed. Then we lost our leader and only Athule's guidence and withdrawl from public slanging matches has given us a chance to continue and rebuild the corp. But we are still here, and still keeping the promise we made. We remain at war with the PA and CA until the conflict is over for everyone who we considered NCA allies. I might not like the actions of some of our friends, and I might thinks some of them have gone nuts, but thats all irrelevent. We made a commitment and everyone has got to know that when JF makes a promise and says its your ally thats the way its going to stay. For better or for worse until the job is done. All ya got in the big black is your reputation and ours is "JF don't jump ship when the goings tough" Star Fraction
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.11.26 15:02:00 - [57] So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then? The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy? Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology. NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes. Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t. Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.11.26 15:02:00 - [58] So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then? The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy? Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology. NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes. Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t. Eve Blacklight Style
juduzz	Posted - 2004.11.26 15:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Blacklight So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then? The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy? Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology. NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes. Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t. IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps. ----------------------------------------------
juduzz	Posted - 2004.11.26 15:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Blacklight So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then? The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy? Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology. NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes. Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t. IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps. ----------------------------------------------

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