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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 26/11/2004 14:17:19
Well my views may not count for much but here goes.
Our corp has from inception been anti-pirate focused. Not to the degree of our good friends celestial apocalypse but we still maintain that ideology, though sometimes i accept due to circumstances we have held certain pirates neutral.
Unlike celestial we have tried to join various alliances for the benefit of our corp. This is mainly because not all our corp is pvp focused and we wanted to encourage newer players to join.
The problem with alliances is compromise and mutual agreement. You have to tolerate things you normally wouldnt to come to general conscensus.
Our corp in the past worked on friendly terms with RKK and even for a time joined PA. I had a lot of respect for both. In particular i respected PAs anti pirate policy which was in my view a good thing.
Evolution, however, i never really respected and viewed them as a warmongering corp who didnt really care about who they killed. On many occasions they killed some of our corp members, simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or for other various tenuous reasons. Never to my recollection, was there a genuine apology, and i got the impression that they just laughed at the kills.
The recent Northern war against PA was rallied by Jericho Fraction (should this have been Faction? , anyway...). I could understand the rationale for the war. PA had been in the wrong, they had been acting aggressively in the region and failed to reign in CDI when they should if they wanted to upkeep there anti-piracy policy. It was with great reluctance that our corp joined this war and we made attempts to try and avert it by negotiating between kronarty and DB preacher. However it was clear that RKK wanted to pursue the war to give PA a bloody nose.
The war was fought under various banners with slogans such as "fighting for your freedom" "fighting for your right to party" etc. The slogans promised a lot. I genuinely believe that Jericho fraction , whos policy has always been freedom in venal, believed the motives to be true.
The situation in venal is now however depressing. I believe that even jericho fraction, with their lack of forum activity, and their stance on the nsa fu v bob, impicitly accept this, and acknowledge they have created a monster with BoB.
The situation in venal and pureblind is, as i see it, this...
EC-P8R - usually gatecamped by DIE , NEMESIS AND KROM. All 3 of these corps are pirates, whatever excuses nemesis use to say they arent. They have also seen to work in conjuncion with ASS (armoured assassins). All these pirate corps to my knowledge have BoB as +10 settings.
LONETREK Corridor - from Nonni - saranen the route is blockaded (usually now in Aunenen) by Ass who have extremely effectively killed the route off.
PURE BLIND - patrolled by Roughnecks. This corp ARE PIRATES. They are mostly ex- moo and have attacked nsa fu and neutrals without provocation.
BoB in my experience of the area, therefore, not only operate with pirates (including ATUK) but actively condone pirate activity.
In no way whatsoever has any "freedom" been gained from the war (neither hasd there been a party  )
It is therefore, with a heavy heart and implicit acceptance that i was part of the creation of this, that the only concusion that can be drawn form this, is that BoB is a new CA. This is undoubtably true. Dont get me wrong, i still have a great deal of respect for the whole of BoB for pulling this great coup off but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
My further conclusion of the situation is this. As BoB is the new CA they should be treated as such. I would invite, encourage and personally assist any anti-pirate corps / alliances to attack them in any way they can.
HAve fun 
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 26/11/2004 14:17:19
Well my views may not count for much but here goes.
Our corp has from inception been anti-pirate focused. Not to the degree of our good friends celestial apocalypse but we still maintain that ideology, though sometimes i accept due to circumstances we have held certain pirates neutral.
Unlike celestial we have tried to join various alliances for the benefit of our corp. This is mainly because not all our corp is pvp focused and we wanted to encourage newer players to join.
The problem with alliances is compromise and mutual agreement. You have to tolerate things you normally wouldnt to come to general conscensus.
Our corp in the past worked on friendly terms with RKK and even for a time joined PA. I had a lot of respect for both. In particular i respected PAs anti pirate policy which was in my view a good thing.
Evolution, however, i never really respected and viewed them as a warmongering corp who didnt really care about who they killed. On many occasions they killed some of our corp members, simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or for other various tenuous reasons. Never to my recollection, was there a genuine apology, and i got the impression that they just laughed at the kills.
The recent Northern war against PA was rallied by Jericho Fraction (should this have been Faction? , anyway...). I could understand the rationale for the war. PA had been in the wrong, they had been acting aggressively in the region and failed to reign in CDI when they should if they wanted to upkeep there anti-piracy policy. It was with great reluctance that our corp joined this war and we made attempts to try and avert it by negotiating between kronarty and DB preacher. However it was clear that RKK wanted to pursue the war to give PA a bloody nose.
The war was fought under various banners with slogans such as "fighting for your freedom" "fighting for your right to party" etc. The slogans promised a lot. I genuinely believe that Jericho fraction , whos policy has always been freedom in venal, believed the motives to be true.
The situation in venal is now however depressing. I believe that even jericho fraction, with their lack of forum activity, and their stance on the nsa fu v bob, impicitly accept this, and acknowledge they have created a monster with BoB.
The situation in venal and pureblind is, as i see it, this...
EC-P8R - usually gatecamped by DIE , NEMESIS AND KROM. All 3 of these corps are pirates, whatever excuses nemesis use to say they arent. They have also seen to work in conjuncion with ASS (armoured assassins). All these pirate corps to my knowledge have BoB as +10 settings.
LONETREK Corridor - from Nonni - saranen the route is blockaded (usually now in Aunenen) by Ass who have extremely effectively killed the route off.
PURE BLIND - patrolled by Roughnecks. This corp ARE PIRATES. They are mostly ex- moo and have attacked nsa fu and neutrals without provocation.
BoB in my experience of the area, therefore, not only operate with pirates (including ATUK) but actively condone pirate activity.
In no way whatsoever has any "freedom" been gained from the war (neither hasd there been a party )
It is therefore, with a heavy heart and implicit acceptance that i was part of the creation of this, that the only concusion that can be drawn form this, is that BoB is a new CA. This is undoubtably true. Dont get me wrong, i still have a great deal of respect for the whole of BoB for pulling this great coup off but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
My further conclusion of the situation is this. As BoB is the new CA they should be treated as such. I would invite, encourage and personally assist any anti-pirate corps / alliances to attack them in any way they can.
HAve fun
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
Tiwaz
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:21:00 -
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Good post Slothe
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Only we are Righteous.
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:21:00 -
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Good post Slothe
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Only we are Righteous.
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:25:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Archain on 26/11/2004 14:28:39
 Originally by: slothe
Edited by: slothe on 26/11/2004 14:17:19
Our corp has from inception been anti-pirate focused. Not to the degree of our good friends celestial apoc
Lmao, Cele are anti pirates, lololol...
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:25:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Archain on 26/11/2004 14:28:39
Originally by: slothe
Edited by: slothe on 26/11/2004 14:17:19
Our corp has from inception been anti-pirate focused. Not to the degree of our good friends celestial apoc
Lmao, Cele are anti pirates, lololol...
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:26:00 -
[7]
Quote:
but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
does that mean you dont like cAKe?
i will be upset if u dont like cAKe
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:26:00 -
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Quote:
but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
does that mean you dont like cAKe?
i will be upset if u dont like cAKe
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:26:00 -
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TBH i find most this post hipercritical.
Like some pirate corps have BOB set +10 and bob contains pirates.NO SH*T the official NSA stance was "condoning" it about 3 weeks ago because you had half those corps in BOB to +10.
Now that they are attacking you OMG there wrong..but if there our friends OMG they the good guys.
Yes they are the bad guys some are pirates. What are they? an enermy you trying to do a JF the way they tried to make the PA look ebil and all that crap,(although in this case they are ebil at self admitance not the good guys). tell me will we get some BS accusations that BOB is hiring mercs that 1 week later join your alliance or some crap?
All in all though its got feck all to do with any one else TBH cept the ppl who are fighting em.
*Personal opinion only as i hate hipocricy*
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:26:00 -
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TBH i find most this post hipercritical.
Like some pirate corps have BOB set +10 and bob contains pirates.NO SH*T the official NSA stance was "condoning" it about 3 weeks ago because you had half those corps in BOB to +10.
Now that they are attacking you OMG there wrong..but if there our friends OMG they the good guys.
Yes they are the bad guys some are pirates. What are they? an enermy you trying to do a JF the way they tried to make the PA look ebil and all that crap,(although in this case they are ebil at self admitance not the good guys). tell me will we get some BS accusations that BOB is hiring mercs that 1 week later join your alliance or some crap?
All in all though its got feck all to do with any one else TBH cept the ppl who are fighting em.
*Personal opinion only as i hate hipocricy*
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:26:00 -
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Quote:
My further conclusion of the situation is this. As BoB is the new CA they should be treated as such. I would invite, encourage and personally assist any anti-pirate corps / alliances to attack them in any way they can.
HAve fun
Will do Evolution is about fun, so is BoB and I think everybody else who plays EvE plays to have fun.
Problem is definition of fun changes from person to person 
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:26:00 -
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Quote:
My further conclusion of the situation is this. As BoB is the new CA they should be treated as such. I would invite, encourage and personally assist any anti-pirate corps / alliances to attack them in any way they can.
HAve fun
Will do Evolution is about fun, so is BoB and I think everybody else who plays EvE plays to have fun.
Problem is definition of fun changes from person to person
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: bUBbLeS
Quote:
but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
does that mean you dont like cAKe?
i will be upset if u dont like cAKe
Please say you like cAKe, otherwise thismay go on or pages and pages and pages.
Bubbles, be good or no cAKe, yes you will have to eat pie. Grrrrrr
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: bUBbLeS
Quote:
but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
does that mean you dont like cAKe?
i will be upset if u dont like cAKe
Please say you like cAKe, otherwise thismay go on or pages and pages and pages.
Bubbles, be good or no cAKe, yes you will have to eat pie. Grrrrrr
This is not a hijack
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:28:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Archain
Lmao, Cele are anti pirates, lololol...
I still truly believe this. Anyone who says that celest are pirates, are usually pirates trying to spin (ps that means youve confirmed you are a pirate)
I dont believe anyone that says celestial are pirates, period.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:28:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Archain
Lmao, Cele are anti pirates, lololol...
I still truly believe this. Anyone who says that celest are pirates, are usually pirates trying to spin (ps that means youve confirmed you are a pirate)
I dont believe anyone that says celestial are pirates, period.
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BasTid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:29:00 -
[17]
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05
i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect".
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BasTid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:29:00 -
[18]
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05
i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect".
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:29:00 -
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There are pirates in Eve?
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Misomusic! |
Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:29:00 -
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There are pirates in Eve?
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Misomusic! |
slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:29:00 -
[21]
personally i dont like cake, never have done.
i do like pie tho
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:29:00 -
[22]
personally i dont like cake, never have done.
i do like pie tho
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AsaR
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:30:00 -
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--- Evolution, however, i never really respected and viewed them as a warmongering corp who didnĘt really care about who they killed. --
Hang on a second :| you are saying we do not care about the people we kill. I would like you to take that back, we honour every person we kill on our board so that no-one will be forgot in time.
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AsaR
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:30:00 -
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--- Evolution, however, i never really respected and viewed them as a warmongering corp who didnĘt really care about who they killed. --
Hang on a second :| you are saying we do not care about the people we kill. I would like you to take that back, we honour every person we kill on our board so that no-one will be forgot in time.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:30:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s 
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:30:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s
This is not a hijack
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:31:00 -
[27]
Originally by: BasTid
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05
i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect".
theres no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to politics, just personal perspectives. Though this post may be seem wrong to you, through my personal experiences its right.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:31:00 -
[28]
Originally by: BasTid
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05
i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect".
theres no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to politics, just personal perspectives. Though this post may be seem wrong to you, through my personal experiences its right.
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
Archain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:32:00 -
[29]
Originally by: AsaR
--- Evolution, however, i never really respected and viewed them as a warmongering corp who didnĘt really care about who they killed. --
Hang on a second :| you are saying we do not care about the people we kill. I would like you to take that back, we honour every person we kill on our board so that no-one will be forgot in time.
Flatliner also sees to it that all corpses are well cared for.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:32:00 -
[30]
Originally by: AsaR
--- Evolution, however, i never really respected and viewed them as a warmongering corp who didnĘt really care about who they killed. --
Hang on a second :| you are saying we do not care about the people we kill. I would like you to take that back, we honour every person we kill on our board so that no-one will be forgot in time.
Flatliner also sees to it that all corpses are well cared for.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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BasTid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 -
[31]
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:37:40
Originally by: slothe
Originally by: BasTid
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05
i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect".
theres no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to politics, just personal perspectives. Though this post may be seem wrong to you, through my personal experiences its right.
so your asking anti-pirate corps to attack BoB cos you say were pirates? LOL
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BasTid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 -
[32]
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:37:40
Originally by: slothe
Originally by: BasTid
Edited by: BasTid on 26/11/2004 14:32:05
i was gonna quote parts of that which are completely wrong, but there were so many things in that post that are, i just decided to call that post "Plainly incorrect".
theres no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to politics, just personal perspectives. Though this post may be seem wrong to you, through my personal experiences its right.
so your asking anti-pirate corps to attack BoB cos you say were pirates? LOL
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 -
[33]
Originally by: slothe
personally i dont like cake, never have done.
i do like pie tho
SEEEEE he's ebil
he dont like cAKe
he r t3h pie-rat
ebil ebil man
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 -
[34]
Originally by: slothe
personally i dont like cake, never have done.
i do like pie tho
SEEEEE he's ebil
he dont like cAKe
he r t3h pie-rat
ebil ebil man
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s
Yeah.......
/me stares at lian.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:34:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s
Yeah.......
/me stares at lian.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Betty Boom
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:36:00 -
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As long BoB attacked PA it was ok ...
I remember a sentence I heard a long time ago :
'Who is in Evolution has no friends'
For me, Evol has now a much better politic then some month ago. I can say I like them a bit.
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Betty Boom
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:36:00 -
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As long BoB attacked PA it was ok ...
I remember a sentence I heard a long time ago :
'Who is in Evolution has no friends'
For me, Evol has now a much better politic then some month ago. I can say I like them a bit.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:39:00 -
[39]
Originally by: bUBbLeS
Originally by: slothe
personally i dont like cake, never have done.
i do like pie tho
SEEEEE he's ebil
he dont like cAKe
he r t3h pie-rat
ebil ebil man
/me hands bubs a xtra large slice of strawberry gatteu.
chill bubs.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:39:00 -
[40]
Originally by: bUBbLeS
Originally by: slothe
personally i dont like cake, never have done.
i do like pie tho
SEEEEE he's ebil
he dont like cAKe
he r t3h pie-rat
ebil ebil man
/me hands bubs a xtra large slice of strawberry gatteu.
chill bubs.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Estios
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:40:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 14:43:29
Originally by: bUBbLeS
Quote:
but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
does that mean you dont like cAKe?
i will be upset if u dont like cAKe
Sour cAKe you say, sour cake is still good cAKe:
SOUR CREAM POUND CAKE
3 sticks butter + cup milk
3 cups Sucanat with Honey 1 cup sour cream
5 eggs 1 tsp. vanilla extract
4 cups soft wheat flour 1 tsp. lemon extract (optional)
¢ tsp. baking powder
¢ tsp. salt
Preheat oven to 300. Cream butter and Sucanat with Honey until light and fluffy. Add eggs one at a time. In separate bowl, combine dry ingredients. Add alternately with milk and sour cream mixing well after each addition. Add vanilla and lemon extracts; mix well. Pour batter into a greased and floured tube or bundt pan. Bake 1 hour and 30 minutes. Do not open the door while baking. Let cool in pan 10 minutes then invert onto platter.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:40:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Estios on 26/11/2004 14:43:29
Originally by: bUBbLeS
Quote:
but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
does that mean you dont like cAKe?
i will be upset if u dont like cAKe
Sour cAKe you say, sour cake is still good cAKe:
SOUR CREAM POUND CAKE
3 sticks butter + cup milk
3 cups Sucanat with Honey 1 cup sour cream
5 eggs 1 tsp. vanilla extract
4 cups soft wheat flour 1 tsp. lemon extract (optional)
¢ tsp. baking powder
¢ tsp. salt
Preheat oven to 300. Cream butter and Sucanat with Honey until light and fluffy. Add eggs one at a time. In separate bowl, combine dry ingredients. Add alternately with milk and sour cream mixing well after each addition. Add vanilla and lemon extracts; mix well. Pour batter into a greased and floured tube or bundt pan. Bake 1 hour and 30 minutes. Do not open the door while baking. Let cool in pan 10 minutes then invert onto platter.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:42:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s
Yeah.......
/me stares at lian.
Are you implying something there?
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:42:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s
Yeah.......
/me stares at lian.
Are you implying something there?
This is not a hijack
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:47:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Ghost Red on 26/11/2004 14:49:38
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s
Yeah.......
/me stares at lian.
Are you implying something there?
For gods sake lian, do some work and stop trying to derail this important and discussion worthy thread.
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:47:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Ghost Red on 26/11/2004 14:49:38
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
No, just loot*****s
Yeah.......
/me stares at lian.
Are you implying something there?
For gods sake lian, do some work and stop trying to derail this important and discussion worthy thread.
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Misomusic! |
Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:48:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
and indians judging from your haircut
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:48:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
and indians judging from your haircut
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:50:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Rath Amon
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
and indians judging from your haircut
Funnily enough, I have a tomahawk stuck in my butt.
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Misomusic! |
Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:50:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Rath Amon
Originally by: Ghost Red
There are pirates in Eve?
and indians judging from your haircut
Funnily enough, I have a tomahawk stuck in my butt.
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Misomusic! |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:52:00 -
[51]
As you know RKK were 'anti-pirates' once apon a time, there was even talks of rkk, celest and mlm merging at one point, but look where being anti-pirate got rkk? we helped keep pure blind clean of 'pirates' and for our trouble we got walked over and disrespected by numerous PA corps.
Anyway that is the past, we've grown to see that the world of EVE isn't black & white, good/evil, its just people who give you a reason to shoot at them or those who dont.
Celest IMO have gotten themself stuck in this anti pirate thing as their are no pirates left in eve, even corps like trudragons and teddybears aren't pirates, granted this maybe down to CCP but thats not what we are discussing here, they are gankers. Celest attack those who they dislike how they work and use 'anti-pirate' as a reason, in this way they are no different to BoB
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:52:00 -
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As you know RKK were 'anti-pirates' once apon a time, there was even talks of rkk, celest and mlm merging at one point, but look where being anti-pirate got rkk? we helped keep pure blind clean of 'pirates' and for our trouble we got walked over and disrespected by numerous PA corps.
Anyway that is the past, we've grown to see that the world of EVE isn't black & white, good/evil, its just people who give you a reason to shoot at them or those who dont.
Celest IMO have gotten themself stuck in this anti pirate thing as their are no pirates left in eve, even corps like trudragons and teddybears aren't pirates, granted this maybe down to CCP but thats not what we are discussing here, they are gankers. Celest attack those who they dislike how they work and use 'anti-pirate' as a reason, in this way they are no different to BoB
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
TBH i find most this post hipercritical.
Like some pirate corps have BOB set +10 and bob contains pirates.NO SH*T the official NSA stance was "condoning" it about 3 weeks ago because you had half those corps in BOB to +10.
Now that they are attacking you OMG there wrong..but if there our friends OMG they the good guys.
Yes they are the bad guys some are pirates. What are they? an enermy you trying to do a JF the way they tried to make the PA look ebil and all that crap,(although in this case they are ebil at self admitance not the good guys). tell me will we get some BS accusations that BOB is hiring mercs that 1 week later join your alliance or some crap?
All in all though its got feck all to do with any one else TBH cept the ppl who are fighting em.
*Personal opinion only as i hate hipocricy*
roflcopters & lollerskates! Juduzz hits the nail on the head! Whilst we're not attacking NSA we're all ok and can be tolerated, they drop a clanger and end up on the wrong end of our guns and now we're all pirates....ONOS fancy that!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:53:00 -
[54]
Originally by: juduzz
TBH i find most this post hipercritical.
Like some pirate corps have BOB set +10 and bob contains pirates.NO SH*T the official NSA stance was "condoning" it about 3 weeks ago because you had half those corps in BOB to +10.
Now that they are attacking you OMG there wrong..but if there our friends OMG they the good guys.
Yes they are the bad guys some are pirates. What are they? an enermy you trying to do a JF the way they tried to make the PA look ebil and all that crap,(although in this case they are ebil at self admitance not the good guys). tell me will we get some BS accusations that BOB is hiring mercs that 1 week later join your alliance or some crap?
All in all though its got feck all to do with any one else TBH cept the ppl who are fighting em.
*Personal opinion only as i hate hipocricy*
roflcopters & lollerskates! Juduzz hits the nail on the head! Whilst we're not attacking NSA we're all ok and can be tolerated, they drop a clanger and end up on the wrong end of our guns and now we're all pirates....ONOS fancy that!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:56:00 -
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Sure bits of the first post might be a little inaccurate but on the whole its interesting and civil and well worth reading. As long as you don't get all defensive about this stuff its always worth reading other viewpoints:
Mine: well, I have been in the north for a longtime and I joined Jericho Fraction for the first time during the War against Taggart and their Pirate friends (which was a war for freedom quite clearly). I left for a time to join Celestial Apocalypse after JF was booted out of the PA + Biomass truce (I wanted to fight bad guys) and I returned later when the corp was fighting for its life against the FE and their allies again.
What I also know is that yes, Jericho Fraction was totally committed to forming some new post-war order in the north after the PA war was won that would be better than what was there before. But things went wrong. Partially that was due to the atmosphere of the fighting and the way it all got super nasty with people complaining about each other and petitioning this and that every couple of hours. Partly it was because people (pvp'ers and miners and whatever) do get bored of set conflicts and do get war-weariness and seek peace at any cost (on both sides).
All this led to people leaving the fight, or being silenced or withdrawing from the decisions and broke up the clarity of the conflict. It also led to the breaking of the agreement made between all the anti-PA powers at the beginning: that all would keep fighting the PA until all were satisfied it should stop so that none would be left behind. Because that agreement failed it meant the divisions were blurred and the sides got confused.
In a way I suppose that means the PA is to be congratulated at a campaign well-played because they have divided their enemies and continue to exist in some form.
As for Jericho Fraction well, whatever you might think of us we have a dogged determination to keep our word. We are a small corp and the northern war came very close to destroying us. Our pilots literally went "all in" to this fight and some lost everything (including their enjoyment of the game) - some left us because we couldn't afford to pvp 24/7, some left us because the violent forum battles meant that no roleplaying could be publicly done without getting flamed. Then we lost our leader and only Athule's guidence and withdrawl from public slanging matches has given us a chance to continue and rebuild the corp.
But we are still here, and still keeping the promise we made. We remain at war with the PA and CA until the conflict is over for everyone who we considered NCA allies. I might not like the actions of some of our friends, and I might thinks some of them have gone nuts, but thats all irrelevent. We made a commitment and everyone has got to know that when JF makes a promise and says its your ally thats the way its going to stay. For better or for worse until the job is done.
All ya got in the big black is your reputation and ours is "JF don't jump ship when the goings tough"
Star Fraction
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:56:00 -
[56]
Sure bits of the first post might be a little inaccurate but on the whole its interesting and civil and well worth reading. As long as you don't get all defensive about this stuff its always worth reading other viewpoints:
Mine: well, I have been in the north for a longtime and I joined Jericho Fraction for the first time during the War against Taggart and their Pirate friends (which was a war for freedom quite clearly). I left for a time to join Celestial Apocalypse after JF was booted out of the PA + Biomass truce (I wanted to fight bad guys) and I returned later when the corp was fighting for its life against the FE and their allies again.
What I also know is that yes, Jericho Fraction was totally committed to forming some new post-war order in the north after the PA war was won that would be better than what was there before. But things went wrong. Partially that was due to the atmosphere of the fighting and the way it all got super nasty with people complaining about each other and petitioning this and that every couple of hours. Partly it was because people (pvp'ers and miners and whatever) do get bored of set conflicts and do get war-weariness and seek peace at any cost (on both sides).
All this led to people leaving the fight, or being silenced or withdrawing from the decisions and broke up the clarity of the conflict. It also led to the breaking of the agreement made between all the anti-PA powers at the beginning: that all would keep fighting the PA until all were satisfied it should stop so that none would be left behind. Because that agreement failed it meant the divisions were blurred and the sides got confused.
In a way I suppose that means the PA is to be congratulated at a campaign well-played because they have divided their enemies and continue to exist in some form.
As for Jericho Fraction well, whatever you might think of us we have a dogged determination to keep our word. We are a small corp and the northern war came very close to destroying us. Our pilots literally went "all in" to this fight and some lost everything (including their enjoyment of the game) - some left us because we couldn't afford to pvp 24/7, some left us because the violent forum battles meant that no roleplaying could be publicly done without getting flamed. Then we lost our leader and only Athule's guidence and withdrawl from public slanging matches has given us a chance to continue and rebuild the corp.
But we are still here, and still keeping the promise we made. We remain at war with the PA and CA until the conflict is over for everyone who we considered NCA allies. I might not like the actions of some of our friends, and I might thinks some of them have gone nuts, but thats all irrelevent. We made a commitment and everyone has got to know that when JF makes a promise and says its your ally thats the way its going to stay. For better or for worse until the job is done.
All ya got in the big black is your reputation and ours is "JF don't jump ship when the goings tough"
Star Fraction
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:02:00 -
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So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then?
The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy?
Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology.
NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes.
Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:02:00 -
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So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then?
The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy?
Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology.
NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes.
Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t.
Eve Blacklight Style
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then?
The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy?
Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology.
NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes.
Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t.
IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:06:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Blacklight
So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then?
The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy?
Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology.
NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes.
Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t.
IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:13:00 -
[61]
Originally by: juduzz
IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps.
I think you're probably right, I also think that they could not have done a worse job of managing their move into the north if they had planned it.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:13:00 -
[62]
Originally by: juduzz
IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps.
I think you're probably right, I also think that they could not have done a worse job of managing their move into the north if they had planned it.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:16:00 -
[63]
I wish I was drunk. Then I'd have a reason to say that this makes no sense at all to me. Any of it.
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:16:00 -
[64]
I wish I was drunk. Then I'd have a reason to say that this makes no sense at all to me. Any of it.
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:16:00 -
[65]
Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: Blacklight
So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then?
The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy?
Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology.
NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes.
Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t.
IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps.
I find that statement very true. However, Fade Union never oficially disolved itself AFAIK, so even if they are only Fade Union by name they still have to honor the agreemtn that was made way back as part of their surrender.
If not, they give us a reason to attack.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:16:00 -
[66]
Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: Blacklight
So how does NSA condone what Fade Union does then?
The main reason all this has kicked off is that some Fade Union corps couldn't keep their members under control and kept taking pot shots at BNC and RKK pilots. By your own definition thats piracy, shooting at allied/neutral pilots in Pure Blind for no reason, what else can it be but according to your definition piracy?
Anyway, piracy is sooooo last years terminology.
NSA, your mates started this by going back on a 10 month old agreement with RKK and BNC, by opening fire on RKK and BNC pilots and in my experience dragging their heels and taking weeks to resolve diplomatic approaches which should have taken 5 minutes.
Don't talk to me about BoB and the state of the north when you are backing Fade Union who have quite clearly manipulated both you and the rest of the north into starting a war just so they can go back on the agreement that founded their alliance. To claim anything else is absolute bull***t.
IMO FU is a new allaince just without the name change. When i was in TPS we payed a visit there and only recognised a few corps not for being old fu during the war but sol cefed BSC cus every one knows them and some other strange corps.
I find that statement very true. However, Fade Union never oficially disolved itself AFAIK, so even if they are only Fade Union by name they still have to honor the agreemtn that was made way back as part of their surrender.
If not, they give us a reason to attack.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:21:00 -
[67]
You might be wasting your breath a bit Blacklight. Some people respect old agreements and some throw them out. I personally don't like Reikoku much at all, but the thing is they got our back when PA+Bio chucked us out of Venal last year and that act of friendship is worth a thousand ships and should never be forgotten. To my mind the single worst thing about alliances is that collective decision-making makes the individual leaders able to forget their past promises and commitments way too easily.
But hey, what do I know?
(gets back to mining veldspar in the JFS irrelevent)
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:21:00 -
[68]
You might be wasting your breath a bit Blacklight. Some people respect old agreements and some throw them out. I personally don't like Reikoku much at all, but the thing is they got our back when PA+Bio chucked us out of Venal last year and that act of friendship is worth a thousand ships and should never be forgotten. To my mind the single worst thing about alliances is that collective decision-making makes the individual leaders able to forget their past promises and commitments way too easily.
But hey, what do I know?
(gets back to mining veldspar in the JFS irrelevent)
Star Fraction
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:22:00 -
[69]
Slothe, think what you will, at least we didn't capitulate to PA 
And if it makes you happy, heres a cheerful YARR for ya 
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:22:00 -
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Slothe, think what you will, at least we didn't capitulate to PA
And if it makes you happy, heres a cheerful YARR for ya
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:27:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
You might be wasting your breath a bit Blacklight. Some people respect old agreements and some throw them out. I personally don't like Reikoku much at all, but the thing is they got our back when PA+Bio chucked us out of Venal last year and that act of friendship is worth a thousand ships and should never be forgotten. To my mind the single worst thing about alliances is that collective decision-making makes the individual leaders able to forget their past promises and commitments way too easily.
But hey, what do I know?
(gets back to mining veldspar in the JFS irrelevent)
I hear you and thats why I've given up talking about it in the most part. We'll just shoot people instead, it's much more fun.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
You might be wasting your breath a bit Blacklight. Some people respect old agreements and some throw them out. I personally don't like Reikoku much at all, but the thing is they got our back when PA+Bio chucked us out of Venal last year and that act of friendship is worth a thousand ships and should never be forgotten. To my mind the single worst thing about alliances is that collective decision-making makes the individual leaders able to forget their past promises and commitments way too easily.
But hey, what do I know?
(gets back to mining veldspar in the JFS irrelevent)
I hear you and thats why I've given up talking about it in the most part. We'll just shoot people instead, it's much more fun.
Eve Blacklight Style
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:38:00 -
[73]
Kr0m are not pirates, we may be friendly towards, or operate with pirates, this however does not make us pirates.
to give an example: England against the spanish empire in their prime, supported piracy upon spanish cargo ships. This did not make england a nation of piracy. i know that doesnt exactly tie in with this totally but meh.
Kr0m are mercenaries currently, and looking for fun. DIE and co were having so much fun up there, it was cool to get away from the boring politics of the south.
theres my bit done.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:38:00 -
[74]
Kr0m are not pirates, we may be friendly towards, or operate with pirates, this however does not make us pirates.
to give an example: England against the spanish empire in their prime, supported piracy upon spanish cargo ships. This did not make england a nation of piracy. i know that doesnt exactly tie in with this totally but meh.
Kr0m are mercenaries currently, and looking for fun. DIE and co were having so much fun up there, it was cool to get away from the boring politics of the south.
theres my bit done.
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Traquis Marman
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:38:00 -
[75]
***Not official FU statement***
Actually, Fade and BNC where negotiating Mining and Npc rights in fade, Also, the friendly fire incidents(wich where handled) where not only on Fades part. BNC and Die took a POS in fade among other things remember?
Its hard to tell ppl not to consider them hostile after a Fleet of them goes in, shoots ships and takes a station together with obvious Fade enemies. Even so, the FU diplomat amazingly suceeded in creating a ceasefire and continiue negotiations. A 1 months "stay away period" deal was however made to cool down feelings in both camps.
99% of these incidents where moderated by NSA and convos saved.
Dont ever claim that Fade didnt try.
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Traquis Marman
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:38:00 -
[76]
***Not official FU statement***
Actually, Fade and BNC where negotiating Mining and Npc rights in fade, Also, the friendly fire incidents(wich where handled) where not only on Fades part. BNC and Die took a POS in fade among other things remember?
Its hard to tell ppl not to consider them hostile after a Fleet of them goes in, shoots ships and takes a station together with obvious Fade enemies. Even so, the FU diplomat amazingly suceeded in creating a ceasefire and continiue negotiations. A 1 months "stay away period" deal was however made to cool down feelings in both camps.
99% of these incidents where moderated by NSA and convos saved.
Dont ever claim that Fade didnt try.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:43:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Traquis Marman
***Not official FU statement***
Actually, Fade and BNC where negotiating Mining and Npc rights in fade
Actually, BNC and FADE agreed everlasting mining and NPC rights when we created FU in the first place.
So why should there have been any negotiating?
FU became a mini CA and paid the price for one too many *mistakes*.
Exactly the same as the PA did.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:43:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Traquis Marman
***Not official FU statement***
Actually, Fade and BNC where negotiating Mining and Npc rights in fade
Actually, BNC and FADE agreed everlasting mining and NPC rights when we created FU in the first place.
So why should there have been any negotiating?
FU became a mini CA and paid the price for one too many *mistakes*.
Exactly the same as the PA did.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:44:00 -
[79]
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates ... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:44:00 -
[80]
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:45:00 -
[81]
I'm a pirate, and I have a parrot and a strange limp to prove it.
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:45:00 -
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I'm a pirate, and I have a parrot and a strange limp to prove it.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:52:00 -
[83]
My motivation to write this post is my view that its depressing to help a pro-piracy alliance to take over an anti-piracy alliance.
My motivation to write this now, is not due to the recent attack by evol on nsa - tho i believe the excuse for this was as lame as the excuse for the attack on fountain alliance.
It has only recently become apparrent to me through using my alts, that evol have good standings to pirates in the pureblind area.
NSA and FU have, to everyones benefit, patrolled the pureblind area and lonetrek to help eradicate pirates. BoB indirectly would have benefited from this. NSA and FU have in no way profited from this and in fact only made losses. Its nice to help non-alliance players (in my view) being part of an alliance. This enabled neutrals to mine the pureblind area relatively trouble free.
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
and ps can mods please delete off topic threads above, this isnt a thread based on cookery 
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:52:00 -
[84]
My motivation to write this post is my view that its depressing to help a pro-piracy alliance to take over an anti-piracy alliance.
My motivation to write this now, is not due to the recent attack by evol on nsa - tho i believe the excuse for this was as lame as the excuse for the attack on fountain alliance.
It has only recently become apparrent to me through using my alts, that evol have good standings to pirates in the pureblind area.
NSA and FU have, to everyones benefit, patrolled the pureblind area and lonetrek to help eradicate pirates. BoB indirectly would have benefited from this. NSA and FU have in no way profited from this and in fact only made losses. Its nice to help non-alliance players (in my view) being part of an alliance. This enabled neutrals to mine the pureblind area relatively trouble free.
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
and ps can mods please delete off topic threads above, this isnt a thread based on cookery
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:52:00 -
[85]
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
Well glad u seen the light at last
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:52:00 -
[86]
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
Well glad u seen the light at last
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:53:00 -
[87]
k....
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:53:00 -
[88]
k....
Spawn of the Devil
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:55:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Traquis Marman
***Not official FU statement***
Actually, Fade and BNC where negotiating Mining and Npc rights in fade, Also, the friendly fire incidents(wich where handled) where not only on Fades part. BNC and Die took a POS in fade among other things remember?
Its hard to tell ppl not to consider them hostile after a Fleet of them goes in, shoots ships and takes a station together with obvious Fade enemies. Even so, the FU diplomat amazingly suceeded in creating a ceasefire and continiue negotiations. A 1 months "stay away period" deal was however made to cool down feelings in both camps.
99% of these incidents where moderated by NSA and convos saved.
Dont ever claim that Fade didnt try.
We were negotiating the restoration of the rights that we'd held for over 10 months and that were an integral part of your alliance being allowed to exist in the north, there would never have been a Fade Union without the granting of those rights to both BNC & RKK.
However, Kheilly was doing a good job on your alliance's behalf of trying to restore normality. I presume it was the normal alliance politics that meant what should have been a 2 or 3 day process at most took about 6 weeks and as far as I am concerned never produced a final decision. We were left hanging waiting on your own internal political process and then heard that your pilots were still trying it on with RKK even after all the stuff that went on with BNC.
Basically you asked for it, you moved into the north without properly researching the relationships between alliances and corporations up here, rode roughshod all over existing agreements, invited long time enemies of existing corporations up here, took potshots at the other local corporations and generally made about as big a mess of relocating as you possibly could.
If you wanted to "try" you should have just said "shiat sorry guys we weren't made aware of that agreement, thats part of our alliance's history is it? wow, interesting stuff, well thanks for the welcome to the north - of course we'll honour our alliance's agreements, good to make new friends, look forward to seeing you around" instead of getting all political, taking over a month to make a simple decision and not controling your own pilots properly.
It could all have been so easy.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:55:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Traquis Marman
***Not official FU statement***
Actually, Fade and BNC where negotiating Mining and Npc rights in fade, Also, the friendly fire incidents(wich where handled) where not only on Fades part. BNC and Die took a POS in fade among other things remember?
Its hard to tell ppl not to consider them hostile after a Fleet of them goes in, shoots ships and takes a station together with obvious Fade enemies. Even so, the FU diplomat amazingly suceeded in creating a ceasefire and continiue negotiations. A 1 months "stay away period" deal was however made to cool down feelings in both camps.
99% of these incidents where moderated by NSA and convos saved.
Dont ever claim that Fade didnt try.
We were negotiating the restoration of the rights that we'd held for over 10 months and that were an integral part of your alliance being allowed to exist in the north, there would never have been a Fade Union without the granting of those rights to both BNC & RKK.
However, Kheilly was doing a good job on your alliance's behalf of trying to restore normality. I presume it was the normal alliance politics that meant what should have been a 2 or 3 day process at most took about 6 weeks and as far as I am concerned never produced a final decision. We were left hanging waiting on your own internal political process and then heard that your pilots were still trying it on with RKK even after all the stuff that went on with BNC.
Basically you asked for it, you moved into the north without properly researching the relationships between alliances and corporations up here, rode roughshod all over existing agreements, invited long time enemies of existing corporations up here, took potshots at the other local corporations and generally made about as big a mess of relocating as you possibly could.
If you wanted to "try" you should have just said "shiat sorry guys we weren't made aware of that agreement, thats part of our alliance's history is it? wow, interesting stuff, well thanks for the welcome to the north - of course we'll honour our alliance's agreements, good to make new friends, look forward to seeing you around" instead of getting all political, taking over a month to make a simple decision and not controling your own pilots properly.
It could all have been so easy.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:55:00 -
[91]
Originally by: slothe
My motivation to write this post is my view that its depressing to help a pro-piracy alliance to take over an anti-piracy alliance.
My motivation to write this now, is not due to the recent attack by evol on nsa - tho i believe the excuse for this was as lame as the excuse for the attack on fountain alliance.
It has only recently become apparrent to me through using my alts, that evol have good standings to pirates in the pureblind area.
NSA and FU have, to everyones benefit, patrolled the pureblind area and lonetrek to help eradicate pirates. BoB indirectly would have benefited from this. NSA and FU have in no way profited from this and in fact only made losses. Its nice to help non-alliance players (in my view) being part of an alliance. This enabled neutrals to mine the pureblind area relatively trouble free.
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
and ps can mods please delete off topic threads above, this isnt a thread based on cookery
Stop thinking about pirates/anti-pirates, even old darthy here has relised it aint like that anymore.
End of the day theres alot of people in this game to kill, a good reason to one man maybe a feeble excuse to another.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:55:00 -
[92]
Originally by: slothe
My motivation to write this post is my view that its depressing to help a pro-piracy alliance to take over an anti-piracy alliance.
My motivation to write this now, is not due to the recent attack by evol on nsa - tho i believe the excuse for this was as lame as the excuse for the attack on fountain alliance.
It has only recently become apparrent to me through using my alts, that evol have good standings to pirates in the pureblind area.
NSA and FU have, to everyones benefit, patrolled the pureblind area and lonetrek to help eradicate pirates. BoB indirectly would have benefited from this. NSA and FU have in no way profited from this and in fact only made losses. Its nice to help non-alliance players (in my view) being part of an alliance. This enabled neutrals to mine the pureblind area relatively trouble free.
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
and ps can mods please delete off topic threads above, this isnt a thread based on cookery
Stop thinking about pirates/anti-pirates, even old darthy here has relised it aint like that anymore.
End of the day theres alot of people in this game to kill, a good reason to one man maybe a feeble excuse to another.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:59:00 -
[93]
Originally by: slothe
NSA and FU have, to everyones benefit, patrolled the pureblind area and lonetrek to help eradicate pirates. BoB indirectly would have benefited from this. NSA and FU have in no way profited from this and in fact only made losses. Its nice to help non-alliance players (in my view) being part of an alliance. This enabled neutrals to mine the pureblind area relatively trouble free.
You being from Millennium actually have the right to make that kind of statement but not on behalf of your allies who have been in the north about 5 minutes. Reikoku and BNC did more whilst asleep in one night to keep Pure Blind free and open than Fade Union and some of your own newer alliance members.
This could all have been very very different but for a few simple decisions.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 15:59:00 -
[94]
Originally by: slothe
NSA and FU have, to everyones benefit, patrolled the pureblind area and lonetrek to help eradicate pirates. BoB indirectly would have benefited from this. NSA and FU have in no way profited from this and in fact only made losses. Its nice to help non-alliance players (in my view) being part of an alliance. This enabled neutrals to mine the pureblind area relatively trouble free.
You being from Millennium actually have the right to make that kind of statement but not on behalf of your allies who have been in the north about 5 minutes. Reikoku and BNC did more whilst asleep in one night to keep Pure Blind free and open than Fade Union and some of your own newer alliance members.
This could all have been very very different but for a few simple decisions.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:01:00 -
[95]
i agree on most points of what you say.. and i do remember the situation where evolution shot down mlm members, i was one of them.. i tried to dig for answers, but you all know what happend right....
"We brake for nobody"
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:01:00 -
[96]
i agree on most points of what you say.. and i do remember the situation where evolution shot down mlm members, i was one of them.. i tried to dig for answers, but you all know what happend right....
"We brake for nobody"
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:01:00 -
[97]
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
You could always grab ASS (I've been wanting to say that for soooo long), last I heard they were independant pirates.
'PVP'ers with a cause' is a better solution though.
Interestingly enough, I once considered bounty hunting as a career. Once was enough though, I turned bad. because, as we all know, bad is fun.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:01:00 -
[98]
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Also, to be pirate hunters, doesn't one have to, you know, actually hunt pirates, rather than get involved in alliance politics? You'd be better off being neutral to all alliances, and just hunting actual pirates.
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
You could always grab ASS (I've been wanting to say that for soooo long), last I heard they were independant pirates.
'PVP'ers with a cause' is a better solution though.
Interestingly enough, I once considered bounty hunting as a career. Once was enough though, I turned bad. because, as we all know, bad is fun.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:02:00 -
[99]
Quote:
If you wanted to "try" you should have just said "shiat sorry guys we weren't made aware of that agreement, thats part of our alliance's history is it? wow, interesting stuff, well thanks for the welcome to the north - of course we'll honour our alliance's agreements, good to make new friends, look forward to seeing you around"
Lol Blacklight you should have been an alliance leader maybe thats like a breath of fresh honest air ... ummmmm no wait a moment I think I've got something mixed up in there
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:02:00 -
[100]
Quote:
If you wanted to "try" you should have just said "shiat sorry guys we weren't made aware of that agreement, thats part of our alliance's history is it? wow, interesting stuff, well thanks for the welcome to the north - of course we'll honour our alliance's agreements, good to make new friends, look forward to seeing you around"
Lol Blacklight you should have been an alliance leader maybe thats like a breath of fresh honest air ... ummmmm no wait a moment I think I've got something mixed up in there
Star Fraction
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:10:00 -
[101]
Originally by: slothe
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:10:00 -
[102]
Originally by: slothe
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:14:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Lol Blacklight you should have been an alliance leader maybe thats like a breath of fresh honest air ... ummmmm no wait a moment I think I've got something mixed up in there
Been there done that, no wonder BNC is now no longer in alliances. They're too much like hard work, there's too many people don't listen to common sense, too many people only out for themselves and it takes weeks to get a decision that should take approximately 5 seconds to make.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:14:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Lol Blacklight you should have been an alliance leader maybe thats like a breath of fresh honest air ... ummmmm no wait a moment I think I've got something mixed up in there
Been there done that, no wonder BNC is now no longer in alliances. They're too much like hard work, there's too many people don't listen to common sense, too many people only out for themselves and it takes weeks to get a decision that should take approximately 5 seconds to make.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:15:00 -
[105]
Originally by: slothe
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
And SA were wrong to shoot Celes when they blew up an ATUK ship in a Stain gang?
You were even warned before by RN about what might happen if you shot them while they were in an Evol gang...
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:15:00 -
[106]
Originally by: slothe
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
And SA were wrong to shoot Celes when they blew up an ATUK ship in a Stain gang?
You were even warned before by RN about what might happen if you shot them while they were in an Evol gang...
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:20:00 -
[107]
Originally by: SirMolle
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
you get a hard on typing that?
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:20:00 -
[108]
Originally by: SirMolle
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
you get a hard on typing that?
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Hackett
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:22:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Ghost Red
I'm a pirate, and I have a parrot and a strange limp to prove it.
A strange, limp what?
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Hackett
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:22:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Ghost Red
I'm a pirate, and I have a parrot and a strange limp to prove it.
A strange, limp what?
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:32:00 -
[111]
Originally by: SirMolle
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
I'm the one who dies for evol ;<
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:32:00 -
[112]
Originally by: SirMolle
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
I'm the one who dies for evol ;<
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Molaorim Phenaki
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:33:00 -
[113]
Originally by: SirMolle
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
molle, where did this part from your message go?
"...and when we get bored of our friends we shoot them too"
<+holyone> what's up with Aneu Angellus Stavros?
<&t20> yeah, it's the viagrachocolate egg
<+Stavros> nothing much
<+Stavros> hes just wrong alot :P
<&Hammerhead> isn't that the forum troll? |
Molaorim Phenaki
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:33:00 -
[114]
Originally by: SirMolle
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
molle, where did this part from your message go?
"...and when we get bored of our friends we shoot them too"
<+holyone> what's up with Aneu Angellus Stavros?
<&t20> yeah, it's the viagrachocolate egg
<+Stavros> nothing much
<+Stavros> hes just wrong alot :P
<&Hammerhead> isn't that the forum troll? |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:47:00 -
[115]
Originally by: darth solo
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
Come now, Darth, we created an alliance and claimed space so you'd know where to find us
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.11.26 16:47:00 -
[116]
Originally by: darth solo
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
The future of EVE?, alliance warfare.
no future for pirates or pirate hunters anymore, the ppl that play have killed this off, with the constant, bahhhh "no pirates" in eve, but CELES are pirates... work that one oot then my children if ya possibly can.
CELES arnt pirate hunters anymore, and they dont want to be called that... "PVPers with a cause" is what celestial apocalypse is all about..
d solo.
Come now, Darth, we created an alliance and claimed space so you'd know where to find us
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:16:00 -
[117]
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 17:19:14
Originally by: slothe
Edited by: slothe on 26/11/2004 14:17:19
Our corp has from inception been anti-pirate focused. Not to the degree of our good friends celestial apocalypse but we still maintain that ideology,
Celest anti pirate :/ , sorry slothe m8 but this deserves
http://www.roflcopter.com/roflcopter.gif
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:16:00 -
[118]
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 17:19:14
Originally by: slothe
Edited by: slothe on 26/11/2004 14:17:19
Our corp has from inception been anti-pirate focused. Not to the degree of our good friends celestial apocalypse but we still maintain that ideology,
Celest anti pirate :/ , sorry slothe m8 but this deserves
http://www.roflcopter.com/roflcopter.gif
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:26:00 -
[119]
Hmmm irish accents
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:26:00 -
[120]
Hmmm irish accents
This is not a hijack
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:37:00 -
[121]
roflcopter pwns...
My vids and random stuff |
MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:37:00 -
[122]
roflcopter pwns...
My vids and random stuff |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:45:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
mmm dutch girly accents
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 17:45:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
mmm dutch girly accents
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:30:00 -
[125]
Erm, excuse me Slothe, but why do you assume that your definition of "pirate" is universal by default? Also why exactly do you think that when you label someone as a pirate, it should mean jack? And by the way, I didn't see you complaining before, how come you managed to catch a ride on the high horse now?
Self-righteous hypocrisy maybe?
Either that, or cAKe tbh.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:30:00 -
[126]
Erm, excuse me Slothe, but why do you assume that your definition of "pirate" is universal by default? Also why exactly do you think that when you label someone as a pirate, it should mean jack? And by the way, I didn't see you complaining before, how come you managed to catch a ride on the high horse now?
Self-righteous hypocrisy maybe?
Either that, or cAKe tbh.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:41:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 26/11/2004 18:43:42
Originally by: Viceroy
Erm, excuse me Slothe, but why do you assume that your definition of "pirate" is universal by default? Also why exactly do you think that when you label someone as a pirate, it should mean jack? And by the way, I didn't see you complaining before, how come you managed to catch a ride on the high horse now?
Self-righteous hypocrisy maybe?
Either that, or cAKe tbh.
yea I mean we almost pirated viceroy the other day but j3tt said that he wanted to podkill him himself so we let him do it. But that does not mean im not a pirate anymore...
(sorry vice coouldnt help taking a poke at ya)
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:41:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 26/11/2004 18:43:42
Originally by: Viceroy
Erm, excuse me Slothe, but why do you assume that your definition of "pirate" is universal by default? Also why exactly do you think that when you label someone as a pirate, it should mean jack? And by the way, I didn't see you complaining before, how come you managed to catch a ride on the high horse now?
Self-righteous hypocrisy maybe?
Either that, or cAKe tbh.
yea I mean we almost pirated viceroy the other day but j3tt said that he wanted to podkill him himself so we let him do it. But that does not mean im not a pirate anymore...
(sorry vice coouldnt help taking a poke at ya)
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:42:00 -
[129]
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:42:00 -
[130]
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:46:00 -
[131]
Didnt u guys get the memo
Calling other people pirates, hax0rs, sploiters, Devs, GM's and Polaris is the new cool thing to do for fgts
All the cool fgts are doing it
So lemme get this straight
Because we are not ur friends anymore, we are pirates
k
keep walkin peon
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:46:00 -
[132]
Didnt u guys get the memo
Calling other people pirates, hax0rs, sploiters, Devs, GM's and Polaris is the new cool thing to do for fgts
All the cool fgts are doing it
So lemme get this straight
Because we are not ur friends anymore, we are pirates
k
keep walkin peon
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Jonny Damordred
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:46:00 -
[133]
Originally by: dimensionZ
I'm the one who dies for evol ;<
Best post ever.
Cheers,
Jonny D.
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Jonny Damordred: Political attachŚ of the Drunken Horde.
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Jonny Damordred
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:46:00 -
[134]
Originally by: dimensionZ
I'm the one who dies for evol ;<
Best post ever.
Cheers,
Jonny D.
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Jonny Damordred: Political attachŚ of the Drunken Horde.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:50:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 18:50:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:04:00 -
[137]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
but i am
/me slaps DBP
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:04:00 -
[138]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
but i am
/me slaps DBP
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:10:00 -
[139]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
but i am
/me slaps DBP
thought u were a yank?
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:10:00 -
[140]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
but i am
/me slaps DBP
thought u were a yank?
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:12:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
but i am
/me slaps DBP
thought u were a yank?
Why you think that?
Id rather die tbh
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:12:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
but i am
/me slaps DBP
thought u were a yank?
Why you think that?
Id rather die tbh
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:17:00 -
[143]
Edited by: drunkenmaster on 26/11/2004 19:33:23
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 6 or more
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:17:00 -
[144]
Edited by: drunkenmaster on 26/11/2004 19:33:23
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 6 or more
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:18:00 -
[145]
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 19:21:21
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 5
jett and kiana count as 2 each ^.^
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:18:00 -
[146]
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 19:21:21
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 5
jett and kiana count as 2 each ^.^
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Mastiphal Nosferatu
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:21:00 -
[147]
BoB is certainly working together with ASS, DIE, Nemesis, Krom and Roughnecks, as they are on one and the same TS server, which makes communication between the entities much better and faster.
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Mastiphal Nosferatu
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:21:00 -
[148]
BoB is certainly working together with ASS, DIE, Nemesis, Krom and Roughnecks, as they are on one and the same TS server, which makes communication between the entities much better and faster.
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:26:00 -
[149]
Edited by: dimensionZ on 26/11/2004 19:28:54
I never saw a krom, nemesis or ASS on teamspeak. RKK got them as friendly/neutral (well, some) but not as allies.
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:26:00 -
[150]
Edited by: dimensionZ on 26/11/2004 19:28:54
I never saw a krom, nemesis or ASS on teamspeak. RKK got them as friendly/neutral (well, some) but not as allies.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:34:00 -
[151]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 19:21:21
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 5
jett and kiana count as 2 each ^.^
dunno about j3tt, tbh.
and Viceroy counts for 3
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:34:00 -
[152]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 19:21:21
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 5
jett and kiana count as 2 each ^.^
dunno about j3tt, tbh.
and Viceroy counts for 3
.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:35:00 -
[153]
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 19:21:21
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 5
jett and kiana count as 2 each ^.^
dunno about j3tt, tbh.
and Viceroy counts for 3
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:35:00 -
[154]
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/11/2004 19:21:21
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
OH btw FE have 3 SPVD members now beat that EVOL AND MOO
Last count, we had 5
jett and kiana count as 2 each ^.^
dunno about j3tt, tbh.
and Viceroy counts for 3
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:36:00 -
[155]
Well, you have to understand the mood of the north before hostilities broke out between all of us. There were several friendly fire incidents between bnc/fu/nsa/rkk and so on, and then you had AMW and ATUK using space you claimed as a home base for attacks into us. Attacks we could not respond too due to the fact that you had threatened us with war if we did.
Our attiutude towards bob in general is a product of these events. Not to mention of the times you fired on our pilots on your way to going thru our space to attack someone else. I'm not sure if you were aware of it, but all these events made it clear to us that you had no respect for NSA, and that it seemed like you were just looking for a reason to attack. How far is enough, and how much does an alliance take to keep the peace? You may have not been aware of how things were looking from our end, but it really is what it looked liked.
Many of your pilots have had an open distain for us both in games and in forums, You supported and sheilded pirates who attacked our pilots, and then you attacked the only other neighbor we had. Yes BNC themselves may have legitimate reasons for disliking FU, and yes if cooler heads on both sides would have been louder things may have been different. But we were given a choice. Faced on one side with letting an organization (that does all the things i've mentioned)destroy our only other neighbor thus leaving us alone and with a power vacume south of us or back up an ally who while may not be the exact same alliance it was back in the "good old days" but as a whole has been a decent ally and a neighbor. We took the logical route..
It really wasn't a huge deal about us hating you, or wanting to kick your tails, it was just a matter of fact of what the reality of the north is with you in it. :)
Ahh well. Back to playing with destroyer kits..
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Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:36:00 -
[156]
Well, you have to understand the mood of the north before hostilities broke out between all of us. There were several friendly fire incidents between bnc/fu/nsa/rkk and so on, and then you had AMW and ATUK using space you claimed as a home base for attacks into us. Attacks we could not respond too due to the fact that you had threatened us with war if we did.
Our attiutude towards bob in general is a product of these events. Not to mention of the times you fired on our pilots on your way to going thru our space to attack someone else. I'm not sure if you were aware of it, but all these events made it clear to us that you had no respect for NSA, and that it seemed like you were just looking for a reason to attack. How far is enough, and how much does an alliance take to keep the peace? You may have not been aware of how things were looking from our end, but it really is what it looked liked.
Many of your pilots have had an open distain for us both in games and in forums, You supported and sheilded pirates who attacked our pilots, and then you attacked the only other neighbor we had. Yes BNC themselves may have legitimate reasons for disliking FU, and yes if cooler heads on both sides would have been louder things may have been different. But we were given a choice. Faced on one side with letting an organization (that does all the things i've mentioned)destroy our only other neighbor thus leaving us alone and with a power vacume south of us or back up an ally who while may not be the exact same alliance it was back in the "good old days" but as a whole has been a decent ally and a neighbor. We took the logical route..
It really wasn't a huge deal about us hating you, or wanting to kick your tails, it was just a matter of fact of what the reality of the north is with you in it. :)
Ahh well. Back to playing with destroyer kits..
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/9594/gunman6yh.gif |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:41:00 -
[157]
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:41:00 -
[158]
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:46:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:46:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:51:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
If it saves us cash when going to empire war, yes.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:51:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
If it saves us cash when going to empire war, yes.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:52:00 -
[163]
"They trust each other but do not trust anyone else."
I wouldn't put my money on the marked part, tbh. But then i do tend to overestimate people. ^^;;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 19:52:00 -
[164]
"They trust each other but do not trust anyone else."
I wouldn't put my money on the marked part, tbh. But then i do tend to overestimate people. ^^;;
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:00:00 -
[165]
Did this justify a thread?
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
Inactivity wins you. |
Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:00:00 -
[166]
Did this justify a thread?
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
Inactivity wins you. |
Statics
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:09:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Morela
...and then you had AWM and ATUK using space you claimed as a home base for attacks into us.
Now why didn't WE think of that.
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Statics
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:09:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Morela
...and then you had AWM and ATUK using space you claimed as a home base for attacks into us.
Now why didn't WE think of that.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:16:00 -
[169]
Originally by: j0sephine
"They trust each other but do not trust anyone else."
I wouldn't put my money on the marked part, tbh. But then i do tend to overestimate people. ^^;;
you're a woman - I expect you to be overly suspicious
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:16:00 -
[170]
Originally by: j0sephine
"They trust each other but do not trust anyone else."
I wouldn't put my money on the marked part, tbh. But then i do tend to overestimate people. ^^;;
you're a woman - I expect you to be overly suspicious
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:18:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
That better be a tech II Carrot.
P.S: I've been known to contain the occasional clue but I save them up to surprise people.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:18:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
That better be a tech II Carrot.
P.S: I've been known to contain the occasional clue but I save them up to surprise people.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:23:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
That better be a tech II Carrot.
P.S: I've been known to contain the occasional clue but I save them up to surprise people.
I'm really and honestly surprised you are still allowed to post on the forums. As far back as I can remember you have been spamming with the most useless, and often offensive posts.
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
Inactivity wins you. |
Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:23:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
That better be a tech II Carrot.
P.S: I've been known to contain the occasional clue but I save them up to surprise people.
I'm really and honestly surprised you are still allowed to post on the forums. As far back as I can remember you have been spamming with the most useless, and often offensive posts.
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
Inactivity wins you. |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:25:00 -
[175]
"you're a woman - I expect you to be overly suspicious "
Nah, that's just common sense; "overly suspicious" is when you put two extra trackers in the guy's shuttle, because you think he might check and find the one you put there to make sure he's coming straight home from work... ;s
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:25:00 -
[176]
"you're a woman - I expect you to be overly suspicious "
Nah, that's just common sense; "overly suspicious" is when you put two extra trackers in the guy's shuttle, because you think he might check and find the one you put there to make sure he's coming straight home from work... ;s
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:41:00 -
[177]
*BREAKING NEWS*
1 + 1 REALLY DOES = 2
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:41:00 -
[178]
*BREAKING NEWS*
1 + 1 REALLY DOES = 2
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:46:00 -
[179]
next major breaktrhough is how u to get 3.
ill leave that to experts like jadrut
My vids and random stuff |
MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:46:00 -
[180]
next major breaktrhough is how u to get 3.
ill leave that to experts like jadrut
My vids and random stuff |
Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:46:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Statics
Originally by: Morela
...and then you had AWM and ATUK using space you claimed as a home base for attacks into us.
Now why didn't WE think of that.
hahah, ya, pretty good idea ain't it? :)
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/9594/gunman6yh.gif |
Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:46:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Statics
Originally by: Morela
...and then you had AWM and ATUK using space you claimed as a home base for attacks into us.
Now why didn't WE think of that.
hahah, ya, pretty good idea ain't it? :)
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/9594/gunman6yh.gif |
dimensionZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:51:00 -
[183]
Yeah, we were planning the invasion of NSA for 2 years now.
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:51:00 -
[184]
Yeah, we were planning the invasion of NSA for 2 years now.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:53:00 -
[185]
Originally by: darth solo
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
Oh, but you didn't. You sat in Obe and tried to look tough.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 20:53:00 -
[186]
Originally by: darth solo
the problems being that all the pansy ghey pirates went to the alliances for protection, and the alliances took them in, thus meaning we had to take on alliances which we did, and are still doing(if a can get kuckin Exodus to work that is)..
Oh, but you didn't. You sat in Obe and tried to look tough.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:08:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: slothe
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
And SA were wrong to shoot Celes when they blew up an ATUK ship in a Stain gang?
You were even warned before by RN about what might happen if you shot them while they were in an Evol gang...
were SA wrong?
imho yes-
about us being warned...
i know nothing about the warning, and anyway, how are we meant to know whether someone is in an evol gang? ask evol? get the standard "we are mining or whatever response" ask roughnecks before we shoot? think they would say no?
/emote sighs
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:08:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: slothe
To have evol attack NSA when they attacked a known pirate corp from roughnecks on the basis that one member was part of their gang i find personally distasteful.
And SA were wrong to shoot Celes when they blew up an ATUK ship in a Stain gang?
You were even warned before by RN about what might happen if you shot them while they were in an Evol gang...
were SA wrong?
imho yes-
about us being warned...
i know nothing about the warning, and anyway, how are we meant to know whether someone is in an evol gang? ask evol? get the standard "we are mining or whatever response" ask roughnecks before we shoot? think they would say no?
/emote sighs
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:27:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Kurenin
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
That better be a tech II Carrot.
P.S: I've been known to contain the occasional clue but I save them up to surprise people.
I'm really and honestly surprised you are still allowed to post on the forums. As far back as I can remember you have been spamming with the most useless, and often offensive posts.
So what is your point?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:27:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Kurenin
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Sassinak
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Pigeon-holing people is rarely a smart idea but here goes......
My view of BoB is that the composite corps. each have their own individual goals and work towards that but are quite willing to compromise amongst themselves in order to help the others attain these goals.
They trust each other but do not trust anyone else.
My advice for anyone else is: Trust BoB at your peril because they show only allegiance to themselves.
BoB are a breath of fresh air, tbh.
I have a question for anyone in Bob who'd care to answer:
Will BoB form an official alliance?
Josh 4 teh win!
/me hands Mr Calvert a Carrot for containing a clue. (BTW: Watch what you say though when it resembles sense, you confuse the majority and they will resent you for being normal...)
That better be a tech II Carrot.
P.S: I've been known to contain the occasional clue but I save them up to surprise people.
I'm really and honestly surprised you are still allowed to post on the forums. As far back as I can remember you have been spamming with the most useless, and often offensive posts.
So what is your point?
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:34:00 -
[191]
BOB are a group of coporations that will shoot you unless you let them do what they want, and what do they want to do? shoot you..
They have shown little or no respect towards individuals, corporations or alliances. Sure they may speak nice and talk friendship, but on the most part they do what they like and what they like doing is killing anyone they damn well please.
Corporations such as BNC, RKK etc. may well have valid reasons for doing what they are doing, and may well see going to war with everyone who isnt an ardent supporter of BOB as simply unavoidable.
On the most part though BOB are a collection of murderers and pirates, with no respect for anything except their killboard.
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:34:00 -
[192]
BOB are a group of coporations that will shoot you unless you let them do what they want, and what do they want to do? shoot you..
They have shown little or no respect towards individuals, corporations or alliances. Sure they may speak nice and talk friendship, but on the most part they do what they like and what they like doing is killing anyone they damn well please.
Corporations such as BNC, RKK etc. may well have valid reasons for doing what they are doing, and may well see going to war with everyone who isnt an ardent supporter of BOB as simply unavoidable.
On the most part though BOB are a collection of murderers and pirates, with no respect for anything except their killboard.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:53:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Zdragva
On the most part though BOB are a collection of murderers and pirates, with no respect for anything except their killboard.
I'll still respect Joshua in the morning.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:53:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Zdragva
On the most part though BOB are a collection of murderers and pirates, with no respect for anything except their killboard.
I'll still respect Joshua in the morning.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:54:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
BoB is certainly working together with ASS, DIE, Nemesis, Krom and Roughnecks, as they are on one and the same TS server, which makes communication between the entities much better and faster.
Hello dummy.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 21:54:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Mastiphal Nosferatu
BoB is certainly working together with ASS, DIE, Nemesis, Krom and Roughnecks, as they are on one and the same TS server, which makes communication between the entities much better and faster.
Hello dummy.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:03:00 -
[197]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: slothe
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
Big words yet I don't see you applying them to LMM we shoot you, all your pilots do is run away.
Slothe has made an honest and remarkably accurate assessment of Bob and Evol in particular, it is a a shame it took COD/NSA and FU so long to see the truth. If they had stood up to Evol earlier they wouldn't be in the position they are in now and would have been in a possition to call upon LMM for assistance.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:03:00 -
[198]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: slothe
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
Big words yet I don't see you applying them to LMM we shoot you, all your pilots do is run away.
Slothe has made an honest and remarkably accurate assessment of Bob and Evol in particular, it is a a shame it took COD/NSA and FU so long to see the truth. If they had stood up to Evol earlier they wouldn't be in the position they are in now and would have been in a possition to call upon LMM for assistance.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:24:00 -
[199]
LMM who?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:24:00 -
[200]
LMM who?
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:26:00 -
[201]
If what you say is true, how would NSA/FU doing anything eariler effect anything ?
PA WHERE ARE YOU BTW ?
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:26:00 -
[202]
If what you say is true, how would NSA/FU doing anything eariler effect anything ?
PA WHERE ARE YOU BTW ?
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:38:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Luc Boye
LMM who?
I robbed them earlier, now they are gonan war dec me
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:38:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Luc Boye
LMM who?
I robbed them earlier, now they are gonan war dec me
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:40:00 -
[205]
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:40:00 -
[206]
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
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Hashi Lebwohl
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:56:00 -
[207]
Where are the PA? If they are like me they are simply reading the thread - this is comedy gold! - Please, please continue I really do not want to divert you...So you were saying...Evol might not be the nice guys you originally thought?...
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Hashi Lebwohl
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Posted - 2004.11.26 22:56:00 -
[208]
Where are the PA? If they are like me they are simply reading the thread - this is comedy gold! - Please, please continue I really do not want to divert you...So you were saying...Evol might not be the nice guys you originally thought?...
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:00:00 -
[209]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
How come you've got an Irish accent then?
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:00:00 -
[210]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
How come you've got an Irish accent then?
Eve Blacklight Style
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:01:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
How come you've got an Irish accent then?
After twelve pints everyone sounds irish to you :p
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:01:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Lianhaun
Hmmm irish accents
GRRRR
I AM NOT IRISH.
dbp
How come you've got an Irish accent then?
After twelve pints everyone sounds irish to you :p
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:07:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Sally
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
Always a wannabe still a wannabe, you never quite did get there did you
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:07:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Sally
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
Always a wannabe still a wannabe, you never quite did get there did you
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:14:00 -
[215]
Originally by: sutty
Originally by: Sally
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
Always a wannabe still a wannabe, you never quite did get there did you
Blah blah blah blah blah. Unlike you I never pretended to be something. So go ahead and enlighten me.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:14:00 -
[216]
Originally by: sutty
Originally by: Sally
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
Always a wannabe still a wannabe, you never quite did get there did you
Blah blah blah blah blah. Unlike you I never pretended to be something. So go ahead and enlighten me.
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Stories: #1
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:16:00 -
[217]
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:16:00 -
[218]
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:21:00 -
[219]
Originally by: DB Preacher
After twelve pints everyone sounds irish to you :p
dbp
lol, ain't that the truth!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:21:00 -
[220]
Originally by: DB Preacher
After twelve pints everyone sounds irish to you :p
dbp
lol, ain't that the truth!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:33:00 -
[221]
Well i personally have to support slothe on whats hes saying. I completely understand where hes coming from. Hes just posting how he feels betrayed by his former allies. The northern war got pretty ugly with friends/allies eventually stabbing each other in the back. Moslty the reason we didnt get involved. When we did, we didnt like what we saw one bit nor what our former allies had become.(both PA and NCA)
In the past i have always enjoyed flying with RKK. Sun RA was even in one of our videos. Shame the way things have turned out.
Some people think that EVE politics mean something and try to remain consistent, others think that EVE is a game and war is fun. I dunno who is right. Arguing n these forms usually accomplishes nothing.
Anti-pirate/pirate arguments....there are still loads of pirates in the game depsite all these all is grey arguments. Piracy is just a short term career as its always more satisfying killing your enemies than killing some random smuck....Allaince wars are always going to be the pinacle of eve. In future chose your friends more wisely.
BTW I am irish and i have been drinking (it is friday after all)
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:33:00 -
[222]
Well i personally have to support slothe on whats hes saying. I completely understand where hes coming from. Hes just posting how he feels betrayed by his former allies. The northern war got pretty ugly with friends/allies eventually stabbing each other in the back. Moslty the reason we didnt get involved. When we did, we didnt like what we saw one bit nor what our former allies had become.(both PA and NCA)
In the past i have always enjoyed flying with RKK. Sun RA was even in one of our videos. Shame the way things have turned out.
Some people think that EVE politics mean something and try to remain consistent, others think that EVE is a game and war is fun. I dunno who is right. Arguing n these forms usually accomplishes nothing.
Anti-pirate/pirate arguments....there are still loads of pirates in the game depsite all these all is grey arguments. Piracy is just a short term career as its always more satisfying killing your enemies than killing some random smuck....Allaince wars are always going to be the pinacle of eve. In future chose your friends more wisely.
BTW I am irish and i have been drinking (it is friday after all)
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:35:00 -
[223]
Evolution was never there allies.
Why do people assume that if you flew with us once your our allies.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:35:00 -
[224]
Evolution was never there allies.
Why do people assume that if you flew with us once your our allies.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:39:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Shadowthrone
BTW I am irish and i have been drinking (it is friday after all)
drinking from your safe/logoff spot?
(irish > all)
-Havo
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:39:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Shadowthrone
BTW I am irish and i have been drinking (it is friday after all)
drinking from your safe/logoff spot?
(irish > all)
-Havo
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DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:39:00 -
[227]
Originally by: sutty
Evolution was never there allies.
Why do people assume that if you flew with us once your our allies.
Im guessing his beef isnt really with Evol. Evol has always done whatever they wanted. Im guessing slothe is ****ed with with former allies who stood by and watched evol and atuk gank NSA on there way to fountain.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:39:00 -
[228]
Originally by: sutty
Evolution was never there allies.
Why do people assume that if you flew with us once your our allies.
Im guessing his beef isnt really with Evol. Evol has always done whatever they wanted. Im guessing slothe is ****ed with with former allies who stood by and watched evol and atuk gank NSA on there way to fountain.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:40:00 -
[229]
Sounds like Slothe is asking for help in the north to me..
TO ALLIANCES WE ARE BEING ATTACKED BY THE NEW CA COME HELP PLEASE!!!
/emote tosses slothe a cookie
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:40:00 -
[230]
Sounds like Slothe is asking for help in the north to me..
TO ALLIANCES WE ARE BEING ATTACKED BY THE NEW CA COME HELP PLEASE!!!
/emote tosses slothe a cookie
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:44:00 -
[231]
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/11/2004 23:48:55
FU/CoD/UNICOR/NSA/ABC/DEF/GHI were/are either very neive, stupid, or neive and stupid, and deserve everything they get.
We were working to a full on peaceful solution in the north which was beginning to take form, but you chose Jericho Chaos. Live with it.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:44:00 -
[232]
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/11/2004 23:48:55
FU/CoD/UNICOR/NSA/ABC/DEF/GHI were/are either very neive, stupid, or neive and stupid, and deserve everything they get.
We were working to a full on peaceful solution in the north which was beginning to take form, but you chose Jericho Chaos. Live with it.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:44:00 -
[233]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Originally by: Shadowthrone
BTW I am irish and i have been drinking (it is friday after all)
drinking from your safe/logoff spot?
(irish > all)
Well i dont have a bad thing to say about a fellow irishman so ill say nothing.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:44:00 -
[234]
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Originally by: Shadowthrone
BTW I am irish and i have been drinking (it is friday after all)
drinking from your safe/logoff spot?
(irish > all)
Well i dont have a bad thing to say about a fellow irishman so ill say nothing.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:46:00 -
[235]
Yeah they should of been clever and left the sinking ship heh r-k ?
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:46:00 -
[236]
Yeah they should of been clever and left the sinking ship heh r-k ?
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:48:00 -
[237]
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/11/2004 23:51:24
Originally by: sutty
Yeah they should of been clever and left the sinking ship heh r-k ?
I suppose this is the bit where I bite and we can have a big flame/debate over the whole thing?
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:48:00 -
[238]
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/11/2004 23:51:24
Originally by: sutty
Yeah they should of been clever and left the sinking ship heh r-k ?
I suppose this is the bit where I bite and we can have a big flame/debate over the whole thing?
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:49:00 -
[239]
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:49:00 -
[240]
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
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Stories: #1
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:49:00 -
[241]
Edited by: sutty on 27/11/2004 00:02:34
Yes, But lets be truethul you said you would bring it and you didn't, infact you avoided directly conflict with evol for along time.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:49:00 -
[242]
Edited by: sutty on 27/11/2004 00:02:34
Yes, But lets be truethul you said you would bring it and you didn't, infact you avoided directly conflict with evol for along time.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:58:00 -
[243]
Originally by: sutty
Yes, But lets be truthly you said you would bring it and you didn't, infact you avoided directly conflict with evol for along time.
I think you'll find that when we actually found an evol gang that weren't just interested in making pretty colours on the map we brought it pretty damn well.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:58:00 -
[244]
Originally by: sutty
Yes, But lets be truthly you said you would bring it and you didn't, infact you avoided directly conflict with evol for along time.
I think you'll find that when we actually found an evol gang that weren't just interested in making pretty colours on the map we brought it pretty damn well.
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Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:59:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
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Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.26 23:59:00 -
[246]
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:04:00 -
[247]
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/11/2004 23:48:55
FU/CoD/UNICOR/NSA/ABC/DEF/GHI were/are either very neive, stupid, or neive and stupid, and deserve everything they get.
We were working to a full on peaceful solution in the north which was beginning to take form, but you chose Jericho Chaos. Live with it.
Inkz is my *****, that is all
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:04:00 -
[248]
Originally by: KIAInkZ
Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/11/2004 23:48:55
FU/CoD/UNICOR/NSA/ABC/DEF/GHI were/are either very neive, stupid, or neive and stupid, and deserve everything they get.
We were working to a full on peaceful solution in the north which was beginning to take form, but you chose Jericho Chaos. Live with it.
Inkz is my *****, that is all
-Havo
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Sig: Mirus Crosius <3
DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A F**k |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.27 03:24:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Morela
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
Finaly someone gets it
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.27 03:24:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Morela
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
Finaly someone gets it
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.27 03:35:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Sally
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
Well after flying side by side with Evolution for almost a year now, I cant recall a time when they have ever tolled someone at a gate.
Disordered? Id argue Evolution are among one of the best if not THE best organised Corporation in EVE, their success and the fact they are still going has come directly from their supreme organisation and comradery.
Anyway, Im tired and cba to type anymore
Ciao.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.27 03:35:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Sally
LOL. Newsflash, Evolution are plain and simple pirates.
Knew that short after the game went live.
Well after flying side by side with Evolution for almost a year now, I cant recall a time when they have ever tolled someone at a gate.
Disordered? Id argue Evolution are among one of the best if not THE best organised Corporation in EVE, their success and the fact they are still going has come directly from their supreme organisation and comradery.
Anyway, Im tired and cba to type anymore
Ciao.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Leitari
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Posted - 2004.11.27 03:57:00 -
[253]
People are too serious. As long as you can drink a pint with me at the next fanfest Im cool with whatever, if you cant then thats your problem and you obviously need to unplug for a while. What all this means is > politics sux, my hand on the trigger pwns.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.11.27 03:57:00 -
[254]
People are too serious. As long as you can drink a pint with me at the next fanfest Im cool with whatever, if you cant then thats your problem and you obviously need to unplug for a while. What all this means is > politics sux, my hand on the trigger pwns.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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The End
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:12:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Morela
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
You obviously dont know what a pirate in the game is...
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The End
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:12:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Morela
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
You obviously dont know what a pirate in the game is...
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Xendie
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:53:00 -
[257]
bob sucks and larry pwns anyone
and now ill get back to drinking.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:53:00 -
[258]
bob sucks and larry pwns anyone
and now ill get back to drinking.
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Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:40:00 -
[259]
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Morela
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
You obviously dont know what a pirate in the game is...
Now now... Bob will kill you if your in a newbie ship. Do they want that 1 trit in your hold? :) Now if they're selling corpses well. That's a whole new type of alliance there.
And i must admit.. that would sound kinda cool considering I just got done vampire bloodlines.. lol
Mmmmm bloood..
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/9594/gunman6yh.gif |
Morela
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:40:00 -
[260]
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Morela
Edited by: Morela on 27/11/2004 00:01:40
Originally by: Sally
Originally by: sutty
I dont have to pretend, I aint the one who is flamming. You naturaly envy what you can never be.
Flaming? How is stating a fact flaming. If you can't face the reality (Evolution = pirates) then you have a problem, not me.
Envy... Yeah. Envy some disordered pirating megalomanicas. Uh uh. I envy a lot of people for their gifts, but surely nothing connected with EVE.
Eod for me.
BOB aren't pirates. Pirates kill for profit, Bob kills for fun :)
You obviously dont know what a pirate in the game is...
Now now... Bob will kill you if your in a newbie ship. Do they want that 1 trit in your hold? :) Now if they're selling corpses well. That's a whole new type of alliance there.
And i must admit.. that would sound kinda cool considering I just got done vampire bloodlines.. lol
Mmmmm bloood..
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/9594/gunman6yh.gif |
TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:58:00 -
[261]
I guess planning against us wasn't that a good idea, eh ? |
TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:58:00 -
[262]
I guess planning against us wasn't that a good idea, eh ? |
theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.11.27 06:41:00 -
[263]
WTF are you blubbering about?
It is 0.0 there is *no* law, therefore piracy cannot be performed out there. Yes ASS are pirates and if you paid attention you would notice they kill in empire.
The fact is that most "noob" pilots and neutrals flying around 0.0 are actually spies, and the people who have made territorial claims have a right to keep there systems clear of spies.
You are just a carebear who doesnt want to be shot at as he goes steals ore and kills NPC's in someone elses systems. If you dont want to not be shot at pay for a hunting or mining pass which are pretty damn cheap. Or just wait for those 4-6 hours before downtime when the north has about 4 pilots in it.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.11.27 06:41:00 -
[264]
WTF are you blubbering about?
It is 0.0 there is *no* law, therefore piracy cannot be performed out there. Yes ASS are pirates and if you paid attention you would notice they kill in empire.
The fact is that most "noob" pilots and neutrals flying around 0.0 are actually spies, and the people who have made territorial claims have a right to keep there systems clear of spies.
You are just a carebear who doesnt want to be shot at as he goes steals ore and kills NPC's in someone elses systems. If you dont want to not be shot at pay for a hunting or mining pass which are pretty damn cheap. Or just wait for those 4-6 hours before downtime when the north has about 4 pilots in it.
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2004.11.27 07:41:00 -
[265]
There are pirates in eve, and bob aren't pirates, if they were, than people wouldn't be saying that pirating is a dying profession as there are a very large number of bob members.
What is 'the bob'?
'The bob' is a conglomerate of few corps with a disliking for politics and a joy for destruction.
'The bob' is native to the northern regions and can usualy be found in and around bkg
'The bob' has been known to leave its nitch to find food to help it through the long hibernations that happen through lack of activity.
'The bob' is very soft and cuddly and does enjoy a good c4k3 (and pi3 every now and then...)
End of profile.
Order out of Chaos |
Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2004.11.27 07:41:00 -
[266]
There are pirates in eve, and bob aren't pirates, if they were, than people wouldn't be saying that pirating is a dying profession as there are a very large number of bob members.
What is 'the bob'?
'The bob' is a conglomerate of few corps with a disliking for politics and a joy for destruction.
'The bob' is native to the northern regions and can usualy be found in and around bkg
'The bob' has been known to leave its nitch to find food to help it through the long hibernations that happen through lack of activity.
'The bob' is very soft and cuddly and does enjoy a good c4k3 (and pi3 every now and then...)
End of profile.
Order out of Chaos |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.27 08:58:00 -
[267]
WE ARE TEH BOB
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.....UR C00KIES AND CAKE WILL BE ADDED TO OUR OWN
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.27 08:58:00 -
[268]
WE ARE TEH BOB
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.....UR C00KIES AND CAKE WILL BE ADDED TO OUR OWN
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Muthsera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:19:00 -
[269]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: slothe
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
Disclaimer..
This is my view and not the offecial view of NSA.
To me this is just such a mideval way of thinking it's incredible it's still gets ppl's attention.
It's nothing more than "Gunboat" diplomasy.
And I'll restrain from posting what I really mean about it.
However, I'll treat it serius. And get to the problem at hand.
Even if you understand it or not molle.
As long as you have this view BoB will never be a general alligence.
And the only way for this to work is if your alligence has a topped structure.
Call it dictatorship, if you like.
And you seround yourself whit likeminded ppl. That don't really question your judgement.
And is the only way you can use your "an eye for an eye and a bit more" view.
And the only way to keep it, is to use out of view diplomasy, and espionage.
To be honnest I really respect the level of play you have on that.
But to be a general alligence will mean losing your view on this.
Becus you can only dominate the industrial side so long.
My view is that, bob is defenetly a player. But as long as you hold this totalrian view whitin your alligence you'll never be more than a nusiance to other alligences.
Becus that is where you are right now.
What friends do you have left? (in north)
The only ones who are interested in your friendship is alligences and corps that want to use you for they're own self interest.
Or becus of the fear of bob. But then again this is a game.
Not the stability of the western world pre 20th century.
But that doesn't mean it has no merrit in this game.
It's probobly "the game" whit most debth. (thanks ccp)
So. Lets get to the problem at hand.
You can justify this war all you want.
It doesn't really make a diffrence.
Anyway you twist and turn your reasons for going to war.
It still doesn't change the fact that we bought knew this whould eventually come.
The credit is to NSA for not going into Branch after the FA insident.
Call us chickens for it, but still it's shows our intent for resolve.
But that doesn't mean we didn't plan for war.
WTF do you take us for? A bunch of idiots?
Well. So be it.
(you don't really have to awnser that, I already know the awnser)
At any case. We knew as well that the war whould come when sir molle here found it convinient to do so.
(can anyone see a pathern here?)
Using RN insident in pb as an excuse really didn't suprice any of us.
And now you expect us to give up friends?
Come ann, are you really that stupid, to actually think we whould give up our own security?
Whit that I don't mean FU. But the honnor in our friendships.
Where is your honnor btw?
The fact of the matter is Molle, that your in this game for "the fun of the war".
And you use diplomasy, espionage and friendships as the means to acomplish this.
Even though the insident in Lek here the other day was quite fun. We got our ass kicked, but still. Very good fun.
All respect for your abillities guys. I was sure we whould come out on top on that one.
(I've come to hate dual mwd cruisers)
But we are and will be a general alligence. And our own security will always be our abillity to compromise.
The only problem is. We can't compromise in this war Molle.
The only solution is for BoB to back down in this war.
We'll not give in to domination. It's as simple as that.
So I feel the issue comes down to who of us have the best stemina.
Feel free to disagree.
And may I just say one more thing..
Let the flames begin.
Yours sinserly Muthsera.
SoonÖ
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:19:00 -
[270]
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: slothe
Maybe the only way in this game to hold an alliance effectively is to rule by the gun like CA with despotic leadership (points at sirmolle). However personally i prefer a more advanced political structure like democracy more to my taste.
The *only* law that applies in this game and environment, is the ones you can enforce.
Our stance is and has always been, mess with us, and we mess with you, albeit harder. Fire 1 shot at us, and we fire 1000 at you. Kill one of our ships and you wont ever be able to relax.
That is *our* law. And we enforce it. Anyone who is not comfortable with it, are free to try and enforce some other law on us.
We don't do NAP's, we dont do MDP, we dont keep allies. We keep friends who we die for, and friends who die for us.
Very simple really.
Disclaimer..
This is my view and not the offecial view of NSA.
To me this is just such a mideval way of thinking it's incredible it's still gets ppl's attention.
It's nothing more than "Gunboat" diplomasy.
And I'll restrain from posting what I really mean about it.
However, I'll treat it serius. And get to the problem at hand.
Even if you understand it or not molle.
As long as you have this view BoB will never be a general alligence.
And the only way for this to work is if your alligence has a topped structure.
Call it dictatorship, if you like.
And you seround yourself whit likeminded ppl. That don't really question your judgement.
And is the only way you can use your "an eye for an eye and a bit more" view.
And the only way to keep it, is to use out of view diplomasy, and espionage.
To be honnest I really respect the level of play you have on that.
But to be a general alligence will mean losing your view on this.
Becus you can only dominate the industrial side so long.
My view is that, bob is defenetly a player. But as long as you hold this totalrian view whitin your alligence you'll never be more than a nusiance to other alligences.
Becus that is where you are right now.
What friends do you have left? (in north)
The only ones who are interested in your friendship is alligences and corps that want to use you for they're own self interest.
Or becus of the fear of bob. But then again this is a game.
Not the stability of the western world pre 20th century.
But that doesn't mean it has no merrit in this game.
It's probobly "the game" whit most debth. (thanks ccp)
So. Lets get to the problem at hand.
You can justify this war all you want.
It doesn't really make a diffrence.
Anyway you twist and turn your reasons for going to war.
It still doesn't change the fact that we bought knew this whould eventually come.
The credit is to NSA for not going into Branch after the FA insident.
Call us chickens for it, but still it's shows our intent for resolve.
But that doesn't mean we didn't plan for war.
WTF do you take us for? A bunch of idiots?
Well. So be it.
(you don't really have to awnser that, I already know the awnser)
At any case. We knew as well that the war whould come when sir molle here found it convinient to do so.
(can anyone see a pathern here?)
Using RN insident in pb as an excuse really didn't suprice any of us.
And now you expect us to give up friends?
Come ann, are you really that stupid, to actually think we whould give up our own security?
Whit that I don't mean FU. But the honnor in our friendships.
Where is your honnor btw?
The fact of the matter is Molle, that your in this game for "the fun of the war".
And you use diplomasy, espionage and friendships as the means to acomplish this.
Even though the insident in Lek here the other day was quite fun. We got our ass kicked, but still. Very good fun.
All respect for your abillities guys. I was sure we whould come out on top on that one.
(I've come to hate dual mwd cruisers)
But we are and will be a general alligence. And our own security will always be our abillity to compromise.
The only problem is. We can't compromise in this war Molle.
The only solution is for BoB to back down in this war.
We'll not give in to domination. It's as simple as that.
So I feel the issue comes down to who of us have the best stemina.
Feel free to disagree.
And may I just say one more thing..
Let the flames begin.
Yours sinserly Muthsera.
SoonÖ
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:41:00 -
[271]
Thread locked on request from the creator.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:41:00 -
[272]
Thread locked on request from the creator.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
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