Originally by: pulse1976

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Edited by: pulse1976 on 01/07/2005 08:18:49
Edited by: pulse1976 on 01/07/2005 08:18:09

Originally by: Mr Grumpy

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Originally by: flummox

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Miner II - (base 60 m3/cycle)
Maximum Output = 60 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 93.75 m3/cycle

Strip Miner I - (base 540 m3/cycle; 3 min cycles)
Maximum Output = 540 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 970.3125 m3/cycle

Modulated Strip Miner II - (base 360 m3/cycle; 3 min cycles)
Maximum Output (w/o Crystal) = 360 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 646.875 m3/cycle
Maximum Output (w/Crystal) = 360 * 2.62 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 1694.8125 m3

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I see where you get the modifiers from (2.62= crystal 162%,1.25 skill modifier etc) but what about the modulated strip miner? Fair enough the base value is 360 units but did you notice the little note at the bottom which reads "specialty crystal mining amount
360 Ore units". Does this mean your calc should read:

Maximum Output (w/Crystal) = (360 + 360) * 2.62 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 3389.625 m3?

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I wish I never looked at this old thread now Nevermind. Anyhow all i wanted to know was if you use a modulated minerII do you get the base plus an extra 360 for the crystal plus the modifier for the crystal??

And mining doesn't suck especially when you want to fill that 10mill buy order......

7days to lvl Mining barge!!!!

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Originally by: Gamer4liff

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as somebody who flies a covetor and trained for months beforehand for it, i still think it was worth it, and it will be more so when t2 strip miners come out and whatnot.

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Originally by: Lustralis

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Originally by: csebal

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The large barge is without question the best out there. 10 harvesters, 3 strip miners. It has at least 1.5x the mining capacity of an apoc, and with modulated strip miners / crystals, you can improve that ratio somewhat.

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But you are including the harvestors in that calculation of course? Maybe it might look a little more attractive when we get mining drones that have decent throughput, don't cost 8,000,000 each and can last long enough to scoop to drone bay when a spawn appears.

What is the comparison like between the best barge and the Apoc for example, without drones?

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Originally by: Idara

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I've been looking at the Mining Barges and the like this morning, and have decided to do a little calculating to figure out if they really are that much better...

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Well let's look at the Covetor then

540 + 65% (L5 Mining Barge adds 15% to the basic skills) = 891 ore per/cycle, times 3 = 2673 ore per/cycle, again dividing by 3 we get...891 ore per/minute.

That's hardly worth the extra training time and the inherant weakness in the Mining Barge's defenses.

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Originally by: Druid R

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if ur comparing the apoc at full mining/astro then have to compare barge at lvl 5, also for a new player, ie without many skills it amkes much more sense to go for barge, and dont forget not everybody is amarr and so has to train up all the amarr ship skills > waste of time when barge is there

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