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meowcat	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:20:00 - [61] Originally by: Danton Marcellus I've never had any problems finding labslots ever, sure it's harder lately but why should they be readily available to all? you are obviously unusually lucky, or not telling the truth. 6 hours of searching = no available slots. This is not what i pay my subscription for. And YES, labslots SHOULD be available to those people who wish to use them, providing they have the appropriate skills and money. Because everyone pays the same subscription. ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
meowcat	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Danton Marcellus I've never had any problems finding labslots ever, sure it's harder lately but why should they be readily available to all? you are obviously unusually lucky, or not telling the truth. 6 hours of searching = no available slots. This is not what i pay my subscription for. And YES, labslots SHOULD be available to those people who wish to use them, providing they have the appropriate skills and money. Because everyone pays the same subscription. ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:23:00 - [63] In my day I've found 3 stations with all slots unrented, that was some time ago but already by then people were whining. Keywords are; ass end of space. Convert Stations
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:23:00 - [64] In my day I've found 3 stations with all slots unrented, that was some time ago but already by then people were whining. Keywords are; ass end of space. Convert Stations
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:24:00 - [65] Originally by: meowcat Because everyone pays the same subscription. While I agree there is still an issue with labs that the new supply and demand factor hasn't yet begun to address, this isn't one of the arguments you want to start swinging about. Once you go down that route, why shouldn't anyone have ANYTHING someone else has in game?
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:24:00 - [66] Originally by: meowcat Because everyone pays the same subscription. While I agree there is still an issue with labs that the new supply and demand factor hasn't yet begun to address, this isn't one of the arguments you want to start swinging about. Once you go down that route, why shouldn't anyone have ANYTHING someone else has in game?
meowcat	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:25:00 - [67] Originally by: Danton Marcellus In my day I've found 3 stations with all slots unrented, that was some time ago but already by then people were whining. Keywords are; ass end of space. tried looking recently? i must have checked 40 stations in 0.1 to 0.4 systems. ALL FULL. ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
meowcat	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:25:00 - [68] Originally by: Danton Marcellus In my day I've found 3 stations with all slots unrented, that was some time ago but already by then people were whining. Keywords are; ass end of space. tried looking recently? i must have checked 40 stations in 0.1 to 0.4 systems. ALL FULL. ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Sforza	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:26:00 - [69] Originally by: Danton Marcellus I've never had any problems finding labslots ever, sure it's harder lately but why should they be readily available to all? Because BP's and therefore research on those BP's are basic building blocks for everyone in the game. They're like reprocessing plants, fitting etc etc.. basic amenities that people need. Its a make or break issue for any noob or young character who buys him/herself some BPs, to be a manufacturer. As I said earlier, its a "health of the game" issue, if all the labslots are occupied by veterans how on earth are any young/new players going to get into the manufacturing side of the game? Put it this way, when the advanced learning skills came out and the market got griefed by players buying then reselling the skill packs at highly inflated prices, CCP dumped a load of extra packs on the market. They refuse to do the same with labslots. Sforza CEO Vronsky Brothers and Sons Council Member Ushra'Khan
Sforza	Posted - 2004.11.29 13:26:00 - [70] Originally by: Danton Marcellus I've never had any problems finding labslots ever, sure it's harder lately but why should they be readily available to all? Because BP's and therefore research on those BP's are basic building blocks for everyone in the game. They're like reprocessing plants, fitting etc etc.. basic amenities that people need. Its a make or break issue for any noob or young character who buys him/herself some BPs, to be a manufacturer. As I said earlier, its a "health of the game" issue, if all the labslots are occupied by veterans how on earth are any young/new players going to get into the manufacturing side of the game? Put it this way, when the advanced learning skills came out and the market got griefed by players buying then reselling the skill packs at highly inflated prices, CCP dumped a load of extra packs on the market. They refuse to do the same with labslots. Sforza CEO Vronsky Brothers and Sons Council Member Ushra'Khan
Sorja	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:22:00 - [71] Reading this topic, it's obvious the labslot situation is optimal, those who can't find one are mentally challenged and the sun rises tomorrow, pink as ever
Sorja	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:22:00 - [72] Reading this topic, it's obvious the labslot situation is optimal, those who can't find one are mentally challenged and the sun rises tomorrow, pink as ever
Sforza	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:30:00 - [73] Originally by: Sorja Reading this topic, it's obvious the labslot situation is optimal, those who can't find one are mentally challenged and the sun rises tomorrow, pink as ever Well, thanks for that inspired comment. Sforza CEO Vronsky Brothers and Sons Council Member Ushra'Khan
Sforza	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:30:00 - [74] Originally by: Sorja Reading this topic, it's obvious the labslot situation is optimal, those who can't find one are mentally challenged and the sun rises tomorrow, pink as ever Well, thanks for that inspired comment. Sforza CEO Vronsky Brothers and Sons Council Member Ushra'Khan
Techie Zero	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:35:00 - [75] Who needs lab slots when you have this great notepad and calculator! EVE-I.com~THE Info source
Techie Zero	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:35:00 - [76] Who needs lab slots when you have this great notepad and calculator! EVE-I.com~THE Info source
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:39:00 - [77] A welcome change would be for you to pay for the length of your research project in advance, then someone copying a battleship blueprint setting the timer for a year would pay say 50M. Convert Stations
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:39:00 - [78] A welcome change would be for you to pay for the length of your research project in advance, then someone copying a battleship blueprint setting the timer for a year would pay say 50M. Convert Stations
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:40:00 - [79] meowcat, you are not actually saying you didn't know about the labslot scarcity after all you time spent in Eve already ? Bit dissapointing seeing yet another post about it when ccp have clearly stated their intents on how to solve this situation in the past and have also told us that that is all they are going to be doing for a while. Labslots are getting more expensive by the day, given sufficient time more will become availiable since you don't really need that many anymore with tech2 as you did with tech1. patience. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.11.29 15:40:00 - [80] meowcat, you are not actually saying you didn't know about the labslot scarcity after all you time spent in Eve already ? Bit dissapointing seeing yet another post about it when ccp have clearly stated their intents on how to solve this situation in the past and have also told us that that is all they are going to be doing for a while. Labslots are getting more expensive by the day, given sufficient time more will become availiable since you don't really need that many anymore with tech2 as you did with tech1. patience. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:01:00 - [81] Edited by: Dsanta on 29/11/2004 16:10:21 Originally by: Astrid Tron Usually the problem 'all the slots are taken' arises from 'No, I dont want to go any further than 2 jumps away from the highway'. Out below .5 sec rating and in the fringes you'll find lab slots. It takes a lot of luck to find a lab slot in densely populated areas (though a corpmate of mine found 4 in Molden 2 weeks ago). I opened up the map browser, i went to display settings, i clicked on show research slots. I went to all the research spots. theere are not that many in 0.0-0.4 i did not find any slots. my corp did get lucky, so my corp has one slot for 20 ppl..... ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:01:00 - [82] Edited by: Dsanta on 29/11/2004 16:10:21 Originally by: Astrid Tron Usually the problem 'all the slots are taken' arises from 'No, I dont want to go any further than 2 jumps away from the highway'. Out below .5 sec rating and in the fringes you'll find lab slots. It takes a lot of luck to find a lab slot in densely populated areas (though a corpmate of mine found 4 in Molden 2 weeks ago). I opened up the map browser, i went to display settings, i clicked on show research slots. I went to all the research spots. theere are not that many in 0.0-0.4 i did not find any slots. my corp did get lucky, so my corp has one slot for 20 ppl..... ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Sforza	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:08:00 - [83] Respectfully Rod, I dont think any mechanism that increases the price of labslots will have any effect on the current situation. If the rental prices go up, the prices that people charge to free a slot will go up as they attempt to recoup the price increase, yet again pricing the small time player out of it. Even if the pricing mechanism forces hoarders to unrent, they'll simply rerent with an alt at the lower price again, and wait it out. By my reckoning, lab slots got scarce about the time of the Castor release. We're coming up for a year on from that with no change to the situation. I would excercise patience if I thought that CCP's proposed action would actually work. Its a supply side issue, and I therefore dont understand why that cant just increase the supply. If there is a technical reason why they cant do this, I wish they'd tell us. Sforza CEO Vronsky Brothers and Sons Council Member Ushra'Khan
Sforza	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:08:00 - [84] Respectfully Rod, I dont think any mechanism that increases the price of labslots will have any effect on the current situation. If the rental prices go up, the prices that people charge to free a slot will go up as they attempt to recoup the price increase, yet again pricing the small time player out of it. Even if the pricing mechanism forces hoarders to unrent, they'll simply rerent with an alt at the lower price again, and wait it out. By my reckoning, lab slots got scarce about the time of the Castor release. We're coming up for a year on from that with no change to the situation. I would excercise patience if I thought that CCP's proposed action would actually work. Its a supply side issue, and I therefore dont understand why that cant just increase the supply. If there is a technical reason why they cant do this, I wish they'd tell us. Sforza CEO Vronsky Brothers and Sons Council Member Ushra'Khan
meowcat	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:22:00 - [85] Originally by: Rod Blaine meowcat, you are not actually saying you didn't know about the labslot scarcity after all you time spent in Eve already ? Bit dissapointing seeing yet another post about it when ccp have clearly stated their intents on how to solve this situation in the past and have also told us that that is all they are going to be doing for a while. Labslots are getting more expensive by the day, given sufficient time more will become availiable since you don't really need that many anymore with tech2 as you did with tech1. patience. Yes. I have had no interest whatsoever in industrial stuff (didn't want to dilute my main characters PvP skills) so took no notice of anything industry related until the cheap-second-account offer a couple of months back. My researcher fellow has been training for 2 months and is now ready to get started. However he can't. Lablsots are still only around 20k from what i gather, so at the current rate of increase, it will be some time during the next ice age that the price increases have an impact on availability Please provide a link to CCP saying they are going to fix this. Patience is all well and good, but my second account is a SPECIALIST - he cannot do ANYTHING except research stuff and build stuff. He is essentially useless until i can at least have 1 BPO researched. total waste of money. ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
meowcat	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:22:00 - [86] Originally by: Rod Blaine meowcat, you are not actually saying you didn't know about the labslot scarcity after all you time spent in Eve already ? Bit dissapointing seeing yet another post about it when ccp have clearly stated their intents on how to solve this situation in the past and have also told us that that is all they are going to be doing for a while. Labslots are getting more expensive by the day, given sufficient time more will become availiable since you don't really need that many anymore with tech2 as you did with tech1. patience. Yes. I have had no interest whatsoever in industrial stuff (didn't want to dilute my main characters PvP skills) so took no notice of anything industry related until the cheap-second-account offer a couple of months back. My researcher fellow has been training for 2 months and is now ready to get started. However he can't. Lablsots are still only around 20k from what i gather, so at the current rate of increase, it will be some time during the next ice age that the price increases have an impact on availability Please provide a link to CCP saying they are going to fix this. Patience is all well and good, but my second account is a SPECIALIST - he cannot do ANYTHING except research stuff and build stuff. He is essentially useless until i can at least have 1 BPO researched. total waste of money. ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:35:00 - [87] WTS: Lab Slot in Korama. 25mil. Genuine slot. If you can't afford it .... tough. :) ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:35:00 - [88] WTS: Lab Slot in Korama. 25mil. Genuine slot. If you can't afford it .... tough. :) ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
NoXiD	Posted - 2004.11.29 17:13:00 - [89] Edited by: NoXiD on 29/11/2004 17:18:58 i think you missed my offer of a free slot - i dont think he'll be spending 25 mill on yours feeling generous today :) + it took me ages to get one, and its annoying as hell, so im starting up the FLSTA (free labslots trade association) and if he misses it, well, thats he's hard luck :)
NoXiD	Posted - 2004.11.29 17:13:00 - [90] Edited by: NoXiD on 29/11/2004 17:18:58 i think you missed my offer of a free slot - i dont think he'll be spending 25 mill on yours feeling generous today :) + it took me ages to get one, and its annoying as hell, so im starting up the FLSTA (free labslots trade association) and if he misses it, well, thats he's hard luck :)

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