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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: meowcat on 29/11/2004 00:24:14
I recently created a second account with the sole purpose of exploring the manufacture and research side of the game.
Having spent 6 hours today searching for a labslot, and finding none available, i have come to the conclusion that unless you have been playing the game for a year, this aspect of Eve is completely closed off (unless you want to pay Zeepo 5m for bugger all). It disappoints me to learn that my second account is basically a complete waste of time and money.
More disappointing is the fact that i cannot explore a significant proportion of the game content.
I do hope CCP resolve this situation promptly.
I have attached a screenshot. To appreciate the problem fully, I request that everyone at CCP are forced to stare at it for at least 6 hours.
http://www.aserea.com/users/images/meowcat/7A312_lablsots.JPG -> no images in posts! *slap* - Kindathey
Perhaps then they may come to appreciate the extent of the problem :-)
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: meowcat on 29/11/2004 00:24:14
I recently created a second account with the sole purpose of exploring the manufacture and research side of the game.
Having spent 6 hours today searching for a labslot, and finding none available, i have come to the conclusion that unless you have been playing the game for a year, this aspect of Eve is completely closed off (unless you want to pay Zeepo 5m for bugger all). It disappoints me to learn that my second account is basically a complete waste of time and money.
More disappointing is the fact that i cannot explore a significant proportion of the game content.
I do hope CCP resolve this situation promptly.
I have attached a screenshot. To appreciate the problem fully, I request that everyone at CCP are forced to stare at it for at least 6 hours.
http://www.aserea.com/users/images/meowcat/7A312_lablsots.JPG -> no images in posts! *slap* - Kindathey
Perhaps then they may come to appreciate the extent of the problem :-)
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yeah but no but yeah but no but |
Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Aion Amarra on 29/11/2004 00:54:23
I found 3 slots in abut 2 months of playing.
I didnt really look for them, i just played normally and looked at the labs in every station I visited. A bit of luck. Bang. YOu got a slot.
They are rare, but you can definately get lucky and find one or two.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Aion Amarra on 29/11/2004 00:54:23
I found 3 slots in abut 2 months of playing.
I didnt really look for them, i just played normally and looked at the labs in every station I visited. A bit of luck. Bang. YOu got a slot.
They are rare, but you can definately get lucky and find one or two.
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Lord Morgan
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:56:00 -
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CCP is already working very hard for about 6 months on this problem.
So await a fast solution for your problem. 
By the way: The elaborated solution of CCP is called POS where you can build your own lab slots. The other solution is that lab slots cost now 22K isk to rent instead of 1K. No further solutions will come...
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Lord Morgan
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:56:00 -
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CCP is already working very hard for about 6 months on this problem.
So await a fast solution for your problem.
By the way: The elaborated solution of CCP is called POS where you can build your own lab slots. The other solution is that lab slots cost now 22K isk to rent instead of 1K. No further solutions will come...
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Sforza
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:06:00 -
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They cant seem to get into there heads that the simple solution is to quadruple labs slots, and place more labs in stations that currently dont have them.
POS are no solution to new or newish players entering the game and wanting to improve their T1 BP's. Its a serious issue long term 'health of the game' issue thats constantly ignored.
Sforza
CEO
Vronsky Brothers and Sons
Council Member
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Sforza
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:06:00 -
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They cant seem to get into there heads that the simple solution is to quadruple labs slots, and place more labs in stations that currently dont have them.
POS are no solution to new or newish players entering the game and wanting to improve their T1 BP's. Its a serious issue long term 'health of the game' issue thats constantly ignored.
Sforza
CEO
Vronsky Brothers and Sons
Council Member
Ushra'Khan |
DanSon
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: DanSon on 29/11/2004 01:19:46
Edited by: DanSon on 29/11/2004 01:19:30
Edited by: DanSon on 29/11/2004 01:18:05
If you read the "New" manual there it says that the Labs are for rent for 5-days and if you¦re not reasearching anything in those 5 days the slot is taken from you. so it seems that everybody is doing some heavy researching atm 
I Quote :
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Rent is for 5 days. When rent is due, you will find a bill in your "Wallet/Bills/Due". Next to the ôpay the
billö there will be a square box with an arrow inside it. Click on the square to pay the bill. Pay the bill
when you receive this notification, otherwise the Station owner will take the lab when the bill is overdue.
A notification will be sent to you after the Station owner has repossessed the lab for overdue bills.
Labs must be used within the 5-day rental period. Labs not used within the rental period will be
repossessed by the station owner. There is no minimum amount of time for which the labs need to be
used as long as they are used at all within the rental period.
So that would meen that those who are researching do reasearch alot and those of us who want to dont get to becouse were to late for the slots 
There is not much to do in the real worl so i fly around EVE and do what i am not allowed in the real world :) to kill those f****** rat¦s with my laser gun |
DanSon
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: DanSon on 29/11/2004 01:19:46
Edited by: DanSon on 29/11/2004 01:19:30
Edited by: DanSon on 29/11/2004 01:18:05
If you read the "New" manual there it says that the Labs are for rent for 5-days and if you¦re not reasearching anything in those 5 days the slot is taken from you. so it seems that everybody is doing some heavy researching atm
I Quote :
Quote:
Rent is for 5 days. When rent is due, you will find a bill in your "Wallet/Bills/Due". Next to the ôpay the
billö there will be a square box with an arrow inside it. Click on the square to pay the bill. Pay the bill
when you receive this notification, otherwise the Station owner will take the lab when the bill is overdue.
A notification will be sent to you after the Station owner has repossessed the lab for overdue bills.
Labs must be used within the 5-day rental period. Labs not used within the rental period will be
repossessed by the station owner. There is no minimum amount of time for which the labs need to be
used as long as they are used at all within the rental period.
So that would meen that those who are researching do reasearch alot and those of us who want to dont get to becouse were to late for the slots
There is not much to do in the real worl so i fly around EVE and do what i am not allowed in the real world :) to kill those f****** rat¦s with my laser gun |
Keri Hulme
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:23:00 -
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Quote:
More disappointing is the fact that i cannot explore a significant proportion of the game content.
I see this appearing more and more on different boards. Would you please care to explain what that significant proportion of game content would be?
I own 6 labslots in a station (slots I waited for patiently to become free over a few months) and apart from researching ME for BPOs my corp owns and making an occasional copy of low level stuff to sell, I dont see any game content to be explored here... Do you own a few battleship/battlecruiser/tech2 BPOs? How do you plan to "explore" this? I am pretty sure that if you'd have had the billions of ISK required to buy the REALLY good BPOs you'd have had the required labslots to use as well. My advice, if you want to explore this "content": join a good corp. For solo players, there are always the R&D agents...
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Keri Hulme
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:23:00 -
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Quote:
More disappointing is the fact that i cannot explore a significant proportion of the game content.
I see this appearing more and more on different boards. Would you please care to explain what that significant proportion of game content would be?
I own 6 labslots in a station (slots I waited for patiently to become free over a few months) and apart from researching ME for BPOs my corp owns and making an occasional copy of low level stuff to sell, I dont see any game content to be explored here... Do you own a few battleship/battlecruiser/tech2 BPOs? How do you plan to "explore" this? I am pretty sure that if you'd have had the billions of ISK required to buy the REALLY good BPOs you'd have had the required labslots to use as well. My advice, if you want to explore this "content": join a good corp. For solo players, there are always the R&D agents...
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Supermonkey
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:28:00 -
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Oh, that must have been me and my lab slot assault monkey squad.
We took over the lab slots, next we'll take over the rest of the world! 
I mean galaxy
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Supermonkey
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:28:00 -
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Oh, that must have been me and my lab slot assault monkey squad.
We took over the lab slots, next we'll take over the rest of the world!
I mean galaxy
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Keri Hulme
Quote:
More disappointing is the fact that i cannot explore a significant proportion of the game content.
I see this appearing more and more on different boards. Would you please care to explain what that significant proportion of game content would be?
I own 6 labslots in a station (slots I waited for patiently to become free over a few months) and apart from researching ME for BPOs my corp owns and making an occasional copy of low level stuff to sell, I dont see any game content to be explored here... Do you own a few battleship/battlecruiser/tech2 BPOs? How do you plan to "explore" this? I am pretty sure that if you'd have had the billions of ISK required to buy the REALLY good BPOs you'd have had the required labslots to use as well. My advice, if you want to explore this "content": join a good corp. For solo players, there are always the R&D agents...
lab hogger
i just want 1 frigging lab slot thats all i need, friggin rresearch the friggin 500BPOs i have.......
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Keri Hulme
Quote:
More disappointing is the fact that i cannot explore a significant proportion of the game content.
I see this appearing more and more on different boards. Would you please care to explain what that significant proportion of game content would be?
I own 6 labslots in a station (slots I waited for patiently to become free over a few months) and apart from researching ME for BPOs my corp owns and making an occasional copy of low level stuff to sell, I dont see any game content to be explored here... Do you own a few battleship/battlecruiser/tech2 BPOs? How do you plan to "explore" this? I am pretty sure that if you'd have had the billions of ISK required to buy the REALLY good BPOs you'd have had the required labslots to use as well. My advice, if you want to explore this "content": join a good corp. For solo players, there are always the R&D agents...
lab hogger
i just want 1 frigging lab slot thats all i need, friggin rresearch the friggin 500BPOs i have.......
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Jaydom
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:03:00 -
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Got a few labslots, putting them to good use..but God knows I'm not moving billions of dollars worth of BPO's to low sec space into a destroyable/captureable POS.
Why add salt to a wound.
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Jaydom
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:03:00 -
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Got a few labslots, putting them to good use..but God knows I'm not moving billions of dollars worth of BPO's to low sec space into a destroyable/captureable POS.
Why add salt to a wound.
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Malv
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:27:00 -
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I agree. There is little incentive for new players to play. I started up a new corp just to figure out that all the offices with factories are in outskirts where there is too much danger for a corp filled with new players.
Same goes with the lab slots. New players really get shafted as they have to spend considerable hours traveling just to find one. What the hell CCP? Are you trying to kill your own game off?
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Malv
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:27:00 -
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I agree. There is little incentive for new players to play. I started up a new corp just to figure out that all the offices with factories are in outskirts where there is too much danger for a corp filled with new players.
Same goes with the lab slots. New players really get shafted as they have to spend considerable hours traveling just to find one. What the hell CCP? Are you trying to kill your own game off?
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spaceracer
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:30:00 -
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its not that they dont have a nuff its that every one abuses the system i know a few peeps that run a bpo in there and doit for an abseen run and forget it that way they dont lose there lab its just sad and to make it worse people sell them lmao
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spaceracer
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:30:00 -
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its not that they dont have a nuff its that every one abuses the system i know a few peeps that run a bpo in there and doit for an abseen run and forget it that way they dont lose there lab its just sad and to make it worse people sell them lmao
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.11.29 03:57:00 -
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people shouldn't be able to rent more labs than they have skill to use
i know several people that do
there should also be a maximum ME value that can be researched to stop people tying up labs researching to stupid unnecessary levels
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.11.29 03:57:00 -
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people shouldn't be able to rent more labs than they have skill to use
i know several people that do
there should also be a maximum ME value that can be researched to stop people tying up labs researching to stupid unnecessary levels
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.11.29 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malv
I agree. There is little incentive for new players to play. I started up a new corp just to figure out that all the offices with factories are in outskirts where there is too much danger for a corp filled with new players.
Same goes with the lab slots. New players really get shafted as they have to spend considerable hours traveling just to find one. What the hell CCP? Are you trying to kill your own game off?
Gee, Malv. You just don't seem to be happy with anything. First your corp and now EVE. Better just quit playing and spare us your tears. 
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.11.29 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malv
I agree. There is little incentive for new players to play. I started up a new corp just to figure out that all the offices with factories are in outskirts where there is too much danger for a corp filled with new players.
Same goes with the lab slots. New players really get shafted as they have to spend considerable hours traveling just to find one. What the hell CCP? Are you trying to kill your own game off?
Gee, Malv. You just don't seem to be happy with anything. First your corp and now EVE. Better just quit playing and spare us your tears.
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Jenney
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Posted - 2004.11.29 05:20:00 -
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I think the devs should turn this unrenting bug in to part of the game
I my self have a good number of BPo and even a tech2 one i got from an agent but theres no way i can get a lab slot to just resurch them for a week and get them to mineral lvl9 so im not loseing much minerals in makeing my ships and ammo for my self but so many just hog all the slots they can filling them with there bps makeing endless copy just so they dont lose the slot 
What i think should be done is 1st only let ech player rent the number of slots they can use so no more than 6 or is it 5
2nd only let each player rent the slot for 1 week or maybe only as long as it takes to do 1 copy or to take the bp up 1 mineral lvl for the BPo that has the longest copy or resurch time + 10mins, so you can put your bp in. After the week is up you should lose your lab slot and not be allowed to rerent it for an hour or two which could give someone else an opportunity to rent it for the next week or so
Just adding more slots wouldnt really fix the problem but makeing people lose their slots all the time would it would let much more player use the labs and get the most out of there BPos and it would really p!ss of all those gits that have been hogging these slots for so long now
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Jenney
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Posted - 2004.11.29 05:20:00 -
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I think the devs should turn this unrenting bug in to part of the game
I my self have a good number of BPo and even a tech2 one i got from an agent but theres no way i can get a lab slot to just resurch them for a week and get them to mineral lvl9 so im not loseing much minerals in makeing my ships and ammo for my self but so many just hog all the slots they can filling them with there bps makeing endless copy just so they dont lose the slot
What i think should be done is 1st only let ech player rent the number of slots they can use so no more than 6 or is it 5
2nd only let each player rent the slot for 1 week or maybe only as long as it takes to do 1 copy or to take the bp up 1 mineral lvl for the BPo that has the longest copy or resurch time + 10mins, so you can put your bp in. After the week is up you should lose your lab slot and not be allowed to rerent it for an hour or two which could give someone else an opportunity to rent it for the next week or so
Just adding more slots wouldnt really fix the problem but makeing people lose their slots all the time would it would let much more player use the labs and get the most out of there BPos and it would really p!ss of all those gits that have been hogging these slots for so long now
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.11.29 05:25:00 -
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There is a definite problem with offices and lab slots. I recall recently looking for an office slot in Empire space and finding the same 1-man corp had offices in EVERY station in a system (was one of those 10 station ones too). A bit pathetic if you ask me.
They need to regulate office allotment based on corp size. Make it fair but make it useable.
1-5 members - 2 offices
6-15 members - 4 offices
16- 50 members - 6 offices
51-80 members - 8 offices
81-125 members - 10 offices
126-200 members - 12 offices
201-and up - 14 offices maximum
Charge more for each, so the first one costs $50,000 a month, the second $75,000 a month, and so on. So if they want 14 they're paying for them.
Also a limit of only ONE OFFICE PER SYSTEM and MAXIMUM OF TWO PER CONSTELLATION. This will spread out the corps a bit more.
The big problem with lab slots is as follows. You can run unlimited runs for ME research or copies. You can set a BPO in for a two year run of mineral research. You can set a run for 1000 copies at three years. I mean its just pathetic. These are some solutions I have for this problem:
1) Limit the "runs" for ME to 10.
2) Limit the "runs" for copies to 5.
3) Make labs VERY EXPENSIVE like $1m a week.
4) Set a maximum Mineral Efficency limit for a BP so it can't be researched more. Say 100 is good.
5) Place a limit on the number of copies each original BP can make.
The run limits will force people to keep coming back to the lab to reinstall the BP. Right now you can put it in, go away for six months, and as long as you pay the rent ontime your fine. Making you go back every week will cause some people to "forget" and miss it thus opening labs. The "expensive" price will also serve as a deterrent because people will have to factor in the cost effectiveness of researching BP's in relation to profit potential.
Same with BP copies. Limiting the overall number of copies each original BP can make will limit the overall number of BPC. Likewise if you charge more for labs they'll have to pass the price along in their copies, this will raise the price of copies and help dry up that market, thus helping the overall economy and manufacturers.
Just some easy solutions that would help. Just adding more labs won't help because people will still hoard them. Right now they're way to cheap even at 22k isk a week. Honestly they're worth 10x or more that.
Archbishop
PIE CORPORATION
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.11.29 05:25:00 -
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There is a definite problem with offices and lab slots. I recall recently looking for an office slot in Empire space and finding the same 1-man corp had offices in EVERY station in a system (was one of those 10 station ones too). A bit pathetic if you ask me.
They need to regulate office allotment based on corp size. Make it fair but make it useable.
1-5 members - 2 offices
6-15 members - 4 offices
16- 50 members - 6 offices
51-80 members - 8 offices
81-125 members - 10 offices
126-200 members - 12 offices
201-and up - 14 offices maximum
Charge more for each, so the first one costs $50,000 a month, the second $75,000 a month, and so on. So if they want 14 they're paying for them.
Also a limit of only ONE OFFICE PER SYSTEM and MAXIMUM OF TWO PER CONSTELLATION. This will spread out the corps a bit more.
The big problem with lab slots is as follows. You can run unlimited runs for ME research or copies. You can set a BPO in for a two year run of mineral research. You can set a run for 1000 copies at three years. I mean its just pathetic. These are some solutions I have for this problem:
1) Limit the "runs" for ME to 10.
2) Limit the "runs" for copies to 5.
3) Make labs VERY EXPENSIVE like $1m a week.
4) Set a maximum Mineral Efficency limit for a BP so it can't be researched more. Say 100 is good.
5) Place a limit on the number of copies each original BP can make.
The run limits will force people to keep coming back to the lab to reinstall the BP. Right now you can put it in, go away for six months, and as long as you pay the rent ontime your fine. Making you go back every week will cause some people to "forget" and miss it thus opening labs. The "expensive" price will also serve as a deterrent because people will have to factor in the cost effectiveness of researching BP's in relation to profit potential.
Same with BP copies. Limiting the overall number of copies each original BP can make will limit the overall number of BPC. Likewise if you charge more for labs they'll have to pass the price along in their copies, this will raise the price of copies and help dry up that market, thus helping the overall economy and manufacturers.
Just some easy solutions that would help. Just adding more labs won't help because people will still hoard them. Right now they're way to cheap even at 22k isk a week. Honestly they're worth 10x or more that.
Archbishop
PIE CORPORATION
VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS
PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
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