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nieo
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Posted - 2004.11.30 13:16:00 -
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meowcat, two months back i went through all empire looking for lab slots. And with this I mean _all_ empire. I went and checked every station with lab slots that weren't in any player factioned claimed territory.
I came up with one lab slot on the fringes to FA's backdoor. One.
CCP really has to do something about it, because it's not working at the moment. I laugh at the silly costs of the lab slots, I mean 20k for 5 days of usage after some weeks? Even a completely new character can afford that. More labslots to the people!
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nieo
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Posted - 2004.11.30 13:16:00 -
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meowcat, two months back i went through all empire looking for lab slots. And with this I mean _all_ empire. I went and checked every station with lab slots that weren't in any player factioned claimed territory.
I came up with one lab slot on the fringes to FA's backdoor. One.
CCP really has to do something about it, because it's not working at the moment. I laugh at the silly costs of the lab slots, I mean 20k for 5 days of usage after some weeks? Even a completely new character can afford that. More labslots to the people!
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2004.11.30 15:16:00 -
[123]
 Originally by: meowcat
Originally by: Lufio II
Edited by: Lufio II on 30/11/2004 11:17:23
Originally by: meowcat
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opportunity being available to all - typical to capitalist countries incidentally
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true, the opportunity to own a lab slot is available to all, but the supply is limited (which is typical for capitalist countries as well). You have the opportunity. There are lab slots. They're all busy? bad luck then, be patient and come back later or pay the price for the slot. Typical capitalistic market situation I'd say
Edit: a bit of spelling
wrong.
in a capitalist economy, such demand would be met by an increase in supply
in a capitalistic economy supply can only be increased when the resources are available as well.
Think about it:
A space station has only so much space. You can't just slap in another lab slot. So you'd have to build a new Station. So far only Empires were able to do that, and why would empires actually care for private lab slots? They have their own dedicated stations for that. It's just in their interest to keep private researches down (capitalistic monopolistic whatever). (this is of course an RP-wise point of view)
Mobile Labs at POSes might be a step towards a solution. We will see about that if people really risk researching their BPOs there. Rising prices for labslots definetly are a step towards more free labslots, altho it will still take a while to come in noticable effect (tho high prices will make it hard for newcomers as well...)
Another way would be to come up with demanding a collateral for the BPO while having it researched by other people who have a slot and willing to do it. But then you wouldn't need your researcher as well...
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2004.11.30 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
Originally by: Lufio II
Edited by: Lufio II on 30/11/2004 11:17:23
Originally by: meowcat
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opportunity being available to all - typical to capitalist countries incidentally
...
true, the opportunity to own a lab slot is available to all, but the supply is limited (which is typical for capitalist countries as well). You have the opportunity. There are lab slots. They're all busy? bad luck then, be patient and come back later or pay the price for the slot. Typical capitalistic market situation I'd say
Edit: a bit of spelling
wrong.
in a capitalist economy, such demand would be met by an increase in supply
in a capitalistic economy supply can only be increased when the resources are available as well.
Think about it:
A space station has only so much space. You can't just slap in another lab slot. So you'd have to build a new Station. So far only Empires were able to do that, and why would empires actually care for private lab slots? They have their own dedicated stations for that. It's just in their interest to keep private researches down (capitalistic monopolistic whatever). (this is of course an RP-wise point of view)
Mobile Labs at POSes might be a step towards a solution. We will see about that if people really risk researching their BPOs there. Rising prices for labslots definetly are a step towards more free labslots, altho it will still take a while to come in noticable effect (tho high prices will make it hard for newcomers as well...)
Another way would be to come up with demanding a collateral for the BPO while having it researched by other people who have a slot and willing to do it. But then you wouldn't need your researcher as well...
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2004.11.30 15:29:00 -
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Yes, but Empires can feel free to build more space stations. There are plenty of systems with no stations, plenty of moons with room for more. A clever research company, like Kaalakiota or Lai Dai or Ishukone, for the Caldari examples, could build an entire space station devoted to labslots; hundreds of them, and charge a premium on them. With demand on them, they'd be rolling in the cash, far more than making the station costed (which I have to assume, given the preponderance of stations in places where just about nobody goes.)
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2004.11.30 15:29:00 -
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Yes, but Empires can feel free to build more space stations. There are plenty of systems with no stations, plenty of moons with room for more. A clever research company, like Kaalakiota or Lai Dai or Ishukone, for the Caldari examples, could build an entire space station devoted to labslots; hundreds of them, and charge a premium on them. With demand on them, they'd be rolling in the cash, far more than making the station costed (which I have to assume, given the preponderance of stations in places where just about nobody goes.)
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Jobby
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Posted - 2004.11.30 15:51:00 -
[127]
I agree with the general sentiments in this thread, but this made me chuckle. Thanks, man.
Originally by: Techie Zero
Who needs lab slots when you have this great notepad and calculator!
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Jobby
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Posted - 2004.11.30 15:51:00 -
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I agree with the general sentiments in this thread, but this made me chuckle. Thanks, man.
Originally by: Techie Zero
Who needs lab slots when you have this great notepad and calculator!
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Armaki Kalear
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Posted - 2004.12.01 07:54:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Kaskamar
I DO NOT BELIVE THAT THE 30 NUMBER IS HARDCODED INTO EVE...
they just DONT want to add more labs slots....
Of course they don't. That would accentuate the infinite rum BPO vs. limited run BPc problem. Once upon a time it was very apparent that BPc's were trending towards being free.. Battleship BPcs at ~1m?. With Lab slots unavailable and lab slot rental increasing continuously over x months this problem is now waaay down the list.
So, in summary, a really difficult problem to be fixed is being masked by a really simple problem to be fixed.
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Armaki Kalear
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Posted - 2004.12.01 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kaskamar
I DO NOT BELIVE THAT THE 30 NUMBER IS HARDCODED INTO EVE...
they just DONT want to add more labs slots....
Of course they don't. That would accentuate the infinite rum BPO vs. limited run BPc problem. Once upon a time it was very apparent that BPc's were trending towards being free.. Battleship BPcs at ~1m?. With Lab slots unavailable and lab slot rental increasing continuously over x months this problem is now waaay down the list.
So, in summary, a really difficult problem to be fixed is being masked by a really simple problem to be fixed.
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Annelia
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Posted - 2004.12.01 18:38:00 -
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I do agree with the thread starter here. I also have a second character which I started specifically for mining/building/researching, and so far have been unable to find a lab slot over several days of searching (I realise that I haven't spent as much time on it as some).
It is most frustrating to get a new character up to speed in this area and then not be able to utilise it properly, when one of the essential part of the equation is constantly unavailable.
There are many good ideas within this thread to increase the lab slots available and I hope CCP will pay attention to them soon, very soon.
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Annelia
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Posted - 2004.12.01 18:38:00 -
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I do agree with the thread starter here. I also have a second character which I started specifically for mining/building/researching, and so far have been unable to find a lab slot over several days of searching (I realise that I haven't spent as much time on it as some).
It is most frustrating to get a new character up to speed in this area and then not be able to utilise it properly, when one of the essential part of the equation is constantly unavailable.
There are many good ideas within this thread to increase the lab slots available and I hope CCP will pay attention to them soon, very soon.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.12.01 22:42:00 -
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Lab slot?
I always thought thats a graphical bug!
A solution would be though:
Give POS a lab slot module with running requirments (fuel), and increase the rent on empire labs with each day. Would be fun to have some research bases around
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.12.01 22:42:00 -
[134]
Lab slot?
I always thought thats a graphical bug!
A solution would be though:
Give POS a lab slot module with running requirments (fuel), and increase the rent on empire labs with each day. Would be fun to have some research bases around
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.01 22:54:00 -
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Quote:
"A welcome change would be for you to pay for the length of your research project in advance, then someone copying a battleship blueprint setting the timer for a year would pay say 50M."
This is actually a great suggestion and very similar to what I suggested back on Page 1 of this thread.
If your researching a BP or copying a BP you should have to factor that into the cost of any item you make with the BP. For example if a BS BP costs "x" amount of isk to make a 1 run copy then that has to be added into the ship price as well as the profit the person makes.
Right now there is really no cost for copies which is why the market is flooded with them and why manufacturers often can't see a return on their investment of bpo isk. BP copies took a little dent when the "infinite" ones were scrapped but realistically that wasn't nearly enough.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.01 22:54:00 -
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Quote:
"A welcome change would be for you to pay for the length of your research project in advance, then someone copying a battleship blueprint setting the timer for a year would pay say 50M."
This is actually a great suggestion and very similar to what I suggested back on Page 1 of this thread.
If your researching a BP or copying a BP you should have to factor that into the cost of any item you make with the BP. For example if a BS BP costs "x" amount of isk to make a 1 run copy then that has to be added into the ship price as well as the profit the person makes.
Right now there is really no cost for copies which is why the market is flooded with them and why manufacturers often can't see a return on their investment of bpo isk. BP copies took a little dent when the "infinite" ones were scrapped but realistically that wasn't nearly enough.
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Chucky
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Posted - 2004.12.01 23:49:00 -
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I think Bill Gates has most of them for researching windows 64. 
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Chucky
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Posted - 2004.12.01 23:49:00 -
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I think Bill Gates has most of them for researching windows 64.
... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture. |
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