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Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:17:00 - [61] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 16/03/2010 17:17:29 This thread is hilarious. 1: Chances are better than even the the OP simply bought a high SP character and has no idea how to make money in EVE. 2: Chances are also good that the OP is simply trying to delude himself with "one more good reason" why he can't bring himself to engage in PVP. You have two alts on every account. Train them to the level appropriate for the job and use em. Either that, or simply stop training your main when you get to a level you can't afford. By the way, just because someone (appropriately) points out that this idea is rubbish, does not mean they don't get your point. They get it but the sums of money are so rediculously low, and the justification for it so poorly thought out, that they can't help but snort and disagree/dismiss the idea without a lengthy debate. It's simply not worth the effort. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose... that includes the character you use in combat. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:23:00 - [62] Edited by: Ghoest on 16/03/2010 17:24:25 Originally by: coeira i think this thread is probably the funniest i've read on here in a while, so lets get this straight you are complaining because the high end closes over 100 mil skill points are 30 mil + in value. and after 6 years of the game the highest skill point char in the game has to spend a whopping 45 mil on his clone. and your talking about about 6 years of game play before even the most extreme skill point ***s are in that clone and your complaining because in 5-6 years time this guy will have to spend 120 mil on his indy toon. and for the guys in there moaning about the cost of there pvp toons most of you guys will be paying with 2-8 mil for a clone. at the lower end of this scale thats 2 bs rats in 0.0 at the higher end its 20 minutes rattings. seriously I can carebear miners crying about loosing a 170 million pound hunk to a gank, I can never understand people complaining about having to pay 8 million for a clone which they moneys back in the bank in 30 minutes. Look its a noob. I dont have 100 mill SP because i took some time off but Im moving in on it. But I dont play the game hyper serious most the time. I dont have some giant network or mechanism that feeds money. I just play the game and have fun. Sometimes I PVP sometimes I mission(not so much any more) some times I do spot trading and sometimes I plex. But my income is pretty direct. I go out and earn some money when I need it. When I PVP its a HAC at best but ussually in well equipped BC. That mix suits my rate of income. Now at over 60 mill SP Im not going broke when I die but I dont dont go on fun runs in cheap ships with my corp either because of it. Now that 100 mill SP is in sight I dont like what I have to look forward to. Wherever you went - Here you are.**
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:30:00 - [63] One of Eve's many systems built to weed out the weak. You are not being punished for having a lot of SP. You are being held up to an expectation to having battle sense and financial sense to complement your SP. Not having a balance there means that YOU as a person are not capable of handling what you have at your disposal.
Aarin Wrath Caldari Dominion Strategic One Stop Research	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Zewron So how long does it take a 20 mil. SP+ char to make 30 mil. ISK? A WHOLE hour? Jesus. Dude, sorry, I mean troll boy, shut up. Your missing the point completly. Let me spell it out for you : 1. I have 70 million SP and am in a drake. I die, get podded. I am now out: -1 drake -fittings -30 million for a new clone 2. You being a nub-troll have 10 million SP, you die, get podded. You are out: -1 drake -fittings -3 million for a new clone. I am punished, and deterred, from doing pvp again because of the high clone cost of my high sp character. You are not. In effect, I loose the cost of a Drake just to replace my clone. wth
Zewron Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:34:00 - [65] I must apologize, I'm a little slow today. I now see that this thread is a collection of trolls poking fun at low SP players.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:36:00 - [66] Originally by: Zewron I must apologize, I'm a little slow today. I now see that this thread is a collection of trolls poking fun at low SP players. weak attempt noob Wherever you went - Here you are.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Zewron I must apologize, I'm a little slow today. I now see that this thread is a collection of trolls poking fun at low SP players. weak attempt noob Now, now. Be nice. After all, he agrees with the complaint (or, well… at least he can't fine any fault with the logic behind the complaint). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Zewron Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:44:00 - [68] Hey, I may be a noob, but at least I don't complain about not having ISK or as many means to make ISK as a 50 mil+ SP player, I don't complain about not ever being able to catch up with veteran players, I don't complain about not having access to T2 BPOs because I joined too late, and I sure as hell don't complain about vets having the edge over me in PvP fights. I may be a noob, but at least I'm not a ****ing carebear complaining about the milions of SPs I can't afford.
Creed Demastikus House of Demastikus	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:48:00 - [69] such bitter words... i'm playing this game like 6-7 years and i dont have t2 bpo either.. but not complaining about it.. in this game's pvp "SP" does not makes u Vet its your own ability.. in this game if u have 15m sp u can kill 100m sp players pretty easly in solo combat in this game u can "buy" high SP chars in this game u can gang up with few of your "friends (with 3-5m sp)" and kill lots of "Vets" in this game SP isnt makes u Immortal.. in this game SP isnt makes u rich in this game etc..
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:51:00 - [70] Originally by: Zewron Hey, I may be a noob, but at least I don't complain about not having ISK or as many means to make ISK as a 50 mil+ SP player, I don't complain about not ever being able to catch up with veteran players, I don't complain about not having access to T2 BPOs because I joined too late, and I sure as hell don't complain about vets having the edge over me in PvP fights. I may be a noob, but at least I'm not a **ing carebear complaining about the milions of SPs I can't afford. So basically you have no actual imput on the topic. You just wanted to tell us how cool you are because you arent complaining. Wherever you went - Here you are.**
Zewron Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:51:00 - [71] Originally by: Creed Demastikus such bitter words... i'm playing this game like 6-7 years and i dont have t2 bpo either.. but not complaining about it.. in this game's pvp "SP" does not makes u Vet its your own ability.. in this game if u have 15m sp u can kill 100m sp players pretty easly in solo combat in this game u can "buy" high SP chars in this game u can gang up with few of your "friends (with 3-5m sp)" and kill lots of "Vets" in this game SP isnt makes u Immortal.. in this game SP isnt makes u rich in this game etc.. Please, continue... In this game you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose? Yes?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Aarin Wrath Originally by: Zewron So how long does it take a 20 mil. SP+ char to make 30 mil. ISK? A WHOLE hour? Jesus. Dude, sorry, I mean troll boy, shut up. Your missing the point completly. Let me spell it out for you : 1. I have 70 million SP and am in a drake. I die, get podded. I am now out: -1 drake -fittings -30 million for a new clone 2. You being a nub-troll have 10 million SP, you die, get podded. You are out: -1 drake -fittings -3 million for a new clone. I am punished, and deterred, from doing pvp again because of the high clone cost of my high sp character. You are not. In effect, I loose the cost of a Drake just to replace my clone. wth Stop getting podded all the time. But the time you have 100M SP you're supposed to be good enough to not lose a clone every time you lose a ship. they way you talk, anyone would think it was inevitable or something. Come to think of it, you should be losing ships less often too. PVP isn't expensive for you because of clone costs; it's expensive because you suck. By the way, most people I know run +4s all the time. I certainly do. A pair of those will cost the same as one of Caymus' clones. Not to mention pirate implants. tl,dr; man up, nancy.
Creed Demastikus House of Demastikus	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Zewron Originally by: Creed Demastikus ..... Please, continue... In this game you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose? Yes? yes thats exactly the problem.. i'm not flying with my BODY u know ? its in the pod.. which is in the ship as i said earlier or other ppl who complains about "clone" cost we'r perfectly fine with loosin ships expensive or not.. but problem is we loosing 30m+ just because we have high sp chars.. can u PLS understand this ? and those ppl who keep saying "stop dyig are u a noob etc" are u guys even doin pvp ? if u mixing up with tailin and runnin from "bunch of bad guys" count as pvp its not.. and when u in big battles u die to lag or black screens.. probably u guys dont even know those because "oo in pvp how come a 100m sp can die" aint it ?
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:06:00 - [74] Originally by: Creed Demastikus Originally by: Zewron Originally by: Creed Demastikus ..... Please, continue... In this game you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose? Yes? yes thats exactly the problem.. i'm not flying with my BODY u know ? its in the pod.. which is in the ship as i said earlier or other ppl who complains about "clone" cost we'r perfectly fine with loosin ships expensive or not.. but problem is we loosing 30m+ just because we have high sp chars.. can u PLS understand this ? and those ppl who keep saying "stop dyig are u a noob etc" are u guys even doin pvp ? if u mixing up with tailin and runnin from "bunch of bad guys" count as pvp its not.. and when u in big battles u die to lag or black screens.. probably u guys dont even know those because "oo in pvp how come a 100m sp can die" aint it ? What Malcanis said is entirely correct. And if you can't understand this... Quote: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose... that includes the character you use in combat. ... then you don't understand EVE. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Zewron Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Creed Demastikus Originally by: Zewron Originally by: Creed Demastikus ..... Please, continue... In this game you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose? Yes? yes thats exactly the problem.. i'm not flying with my BODY u know ? its in the pod.. which is in the ship as i said earlier or other ppl who complains about "clone" cost we'r perfectly fine with loosin ships expensive or not.. but problem is we loosing 30m+ just because we have high sp chars.. can u PLS understand this ? and those ppl who keep saying "stop dyig are u a noob etc" are u guys even doin pvp ? if u mixing up with tailin and runnin from "bunch of bad guys" count as pvp its not.. and when u in big battles u die to lag or black screens.. probably u guys dont even know those because "oo in pvp how come a 100m sp can die" aint it ? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jump_clone It's ok, you can thank me some other time.
Creed Demastikus House of Demastikus	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:14:00 - [76] ...
Turiel Demon Minmatar Celtic industries F A I L	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:17:00 - [77] I was going to respond saying that there's no reason to change it, but on reflection there really isn't that much of a reason for the higher level clones to cost so very much more. Then again, anyone with high SP getting podded often enough for it to be an issue really is 'doing it wrong' both combat-wise in getting killed so often and economically for not having amassed sufficient wealth by this stage. In that sense it's an incentive to learn the game a little better, and that's not entirely bad If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Don't be greedy :P -Cap
Wod Gallente Fallen Pandas	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:21:00 - [78] meh, I sort of agree. I've always wondered about the "high" cost of clones but just accepted it and paid the man. Isk is easy to get but if you die ten times in a day it all adds up I guess. But really, if your dying that much you're probably doing something wrong. shrug Don't think CCP will do anything about it. - "* CCP Tuxford can no longer shut down TQ on a whim."
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:26:00 - [79] It is just a matter of time before some changes will be made to the current system. Propably by decreasing the increase in clone cost at high/ultra high SP levels. The reason is simple really. The current system will force people to either abandon activities they could do at lower SP count, huddle up even more in empire or increase the ammount of time they are wasting on making iskies. This translates to less options or more grinding, both are bad and contribute nothing positive to the game. The increase in cost doesn't bother anyone at the early stages, because the increase is very little and your income earning potential grows faster. The issue comes only at later stages when the cost keeps rapidly increasing, but your income earning potential stopped long ago. Some can make the isk with little issues or they enjoy making isk, so their behavior isn't affected. The point is, that there are many who aren't like them. The more important part is, that even with the reduced clone prices, you would still have the option to increase the cost of your losses and gain a significan't performance boost while doing it. So it wouldn't decrease the level of risk in the game, but make it less based on SP count and more on equipment and implants. It is like this for a long time in a characters life and everyone seems to be happy with that situation. When this situation is changed from an option to a must, as the current clone cost system does at high SP levels, is when the problems start. Not to mention the opposing view seems to just consist of people who can afford it, so it doesn't bother them. They don't actually present any gameplay reasons why it should be kept the way it currently is and that is why it will be changed at some point. They will care just as little and won't suffer in any way, when the cost of high grade clones is finally reduced. It will make the game better for the rest by increasing their options/reduce the grinding, so there is little reason not implement the change.
Hixxy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:32:00 - [80] so we all agreed ccp are doing it right?
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:38:00 - [81] Not that I disagree with the gist of the message, but just because these arguments annoy me in their ignorance… Originally by: Zewron Hey, I may be a noob, but at least I don't complain about not having ISK or as many means to make ISK as a 50 mil+ SP player, Incorrect. You may very well have just as many means as they do – that's actually one of the key arguments being made here. Quote: I don't complain about not ever being able to catch up with veteran players, Incorrect. Catching up is actually very easy in EVE. Quote: I don't complain about not having access to T2 BPOs because I joined too late, Incorrect. You have access to T2 BPOs if you so choose. Aside from that, carry on. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ephemeron Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.03.16 18:40:00 - [82] some of you people are unbelievable pussies stop ruining the game for the rest of us. The carebear mainstream player has at least a dozen good MMO choices. Where losses are meaningless. Why you gotta come in here and ruin one of the very few games that was designed for hardcore gamers?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.16 19:01:00 - [83] Originally by: Ephemeron some of you people are unbelievable pussies stop ruining the game for the rest of us. The carebear mainstream player has at least a dozen good MMO choices. Where losses are meaningless. Why you gotta come in here and ruin one of the very few games that was designed for hardcore gamers? THIS. ^5s Eph. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
OwMy Bawls	Posted - 2010.03.16 19:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia -The flawed logic that simply because a character is older, they have access to billions upon billions of isk. Perhaps your a come-and-go player? You keep your account active (pay $$) and keep skills training on your main. Eventually you will realize that it simply costs too much to take that character into combat instead of creating an alt. Again, needless punishment against the veteran character. This is where your point falls apart. The potential amount of isk available to an older player IS much greater. You compare the wallets of a come-and-go newb to a come-and-go vet and guess whose will be bigger? Compare the wallets between a hardcore newb and a hardcore vet. Again, guess which one will be bigger? The potential amount of ISK available to a veteran is significantly higher than that of a newb, which is why there is the difference in cost. And the slope is NOT linear, it is much bigger. And if, as you said, the benefit of having a high SP character is not that much. . .why worry if you lose your SP or potential to earn more SP? Part of every MMO is grinding so that what you do with that value you earned during that grind time becomes, well, more valuable. While on the surface it seems like something that would make the game more fun, it would actually detract the fun from most people because the value of what you are putting on the line would be much less. Go play some poker and tell me that you get the same thrill from betting with pennies as you do with 50 dollar bills.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.16 19:27:00 - [85] Posting again before the lock. Even though emotears in this thread are pretty nice.
Emerald Cortess Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft Ev0ke	Posted - 2010.03.16 20:07:00 - [86] i lol at all those who seem to think: CCP made it so, so it must be good. CCP is literally god! I hope now one complans about reockets... after all, CCP made them so, so they must be as good as they can get. Space-Camoflage on Navy Mega and Domi is the best paint-job CCP ever done to those models. There simply is no better choice. Jamming is absolutly not overpowered and Sensordampening or Weapondisrupting is just as godly (made from CCP = god). Beside the irony: Alts ... possible yes, but despite that you have to skill some basics again, i'm just not a fan of altruism. And to 'don't fly what u can't afford' ... please tell me how i can change my clone (no, not that Jumpclone like some real super-intelligent (irony again) keep saying). I'd happily put some high-lvl skills on another clone for a while when i plan to only cruisers for some days. It's a game afterall. And games should be fun and not a second job. Also lol to: "Old player has automatically ISK-Advantage to youn players" ... why lol? Because every f* time someon comes and posts a whine-thread "wah-wah ... i never ever can catch up", every answer says "thats wrong".
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.16 20:26:00 - [87] Originally by: Emerald Cortess I somhow agree with the op. It dosn't feel good flying a dictor in a fleet when ur clone costs almost as much as the dictor itself. Same with cheaper T1 ships. And just because i have high skill points it doesn't mean i magically generate more isk. But i wouldn't go this far and just say 'make clones cheaper', but how about something else: First, get rid of the current clone-insurance-system. Second, make skill-points "re-buyable" (note: Training stays the same, has nothing to do with SP for ISK/money!!!) Third, make the amount of SP lost depending on the ship (Fitting?) you lost or were sitting in last (to abuse ejecting). So, if you loose a T1-Tier1 Frigate (Heron? don't know, can't login atm) you only loose a few Skill Points. If you loose a Commandship, you loose much more SP. Maybe tie it directly to the ship (like T3) or keep it like it is now and loose from a high skill. Anyway, you lost sp on one skill. Now you can go to a cloning-facility and re-buy your skill-points. Ofcourse there are few things still to consider, like 'can you instead of re-buy ur sp also retrain them (effectly loosing SP) or should the skill just be untrainable until you re-bought the SP' (i'd favor the second option). And if that's to unfair, there could still be a minimum ISK-Charge depending on SP. So like when a 1 month old player looses a rifter, he has to pay 5000 isk, a veteran with 60m SP has to pay a minimum of 5m (administration fee) + 5000 isk for his lost SP. I like my idea ... what do you think? I like it a lot - I'm ok with "temporary" skill point loss EVERY time I lose a ship (based on ship cost, effectively) - as long as I can buy it back. If it applied to T3, I'd even fly T3 in combat. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Aarin Wrath Caldari Dominion Strategic One Stop Research	Posted - 2010.03.16 20:41:00 - [88] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and explain to me why 100m sp chars should have cheap clones? whining that flying a frigate loses you money isn't a very good reason imo. Well how about you explain to us why 100m sp chars should have exponentially more expensive clones and not just "more expensive" clones that everyone else?
Hamshoe	Posted - 2010.03.16 20:41:00 - [89] Originally by: Emerald Cortess It's a game afterall. And games should be fun and not a second job. The only one responsible for that is you. If you keep playing and it's not fun, you should save some of the lolz for yourself.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.03.16 20:44:00 - [90] Ahahahahahha .. did I read this thread correctly .. PeeVeePeers wants to turn EVE into WoW? No more satifaction in podding an old titan/mom pilot? No more satisfaction in podding > 40 mil pilots?

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