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Nelindor1
Gallente Kiss My Assets Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:07:00 -
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If CCP said lets have a vote on which t3 ship class will be next what would you pick out of:
Battlecruisers
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Frigates
I think i would choose frigates because it would be cool to have subsystems for little frigates.(lol)
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Kharamete
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:10:00 -
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Tech 3 mining frigates.
The tears and flames would be cool with a cloaky hulk with interdiction nullifier. ---
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:13:00 -
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i dislike t3 and hope they never add another t3 ship. But considering they keep adding ship classes that make the game worse, we will probably see t3 battleships one day, who can solo caps. Which is actually fine by me since i hate caps almost as much as i hate t3.
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Discrodia
Gallente Green Peace Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill i dislike t3 and hope they never add another t3 ship. But considering they keep adding ship classes that make the game worse, we will probably see t3 battleships one day, who can solo caps. Which is actually fine by me since i hate caps almost as much as i hate t3.
Why do you assume anything they add to the game is bad? I'm assuming you loved the game when everyone was mining in frigates, alliances didn't even exist, and it took 3 months to get enough minerals for a battleship? What did T3 ships ever do to you anyway?
*ahem*
In response to OP: I believe they will add Frigates first (I think they announced this for Tyrannis, not sure) and then they will add T3 BS's later. I'm not sure about BC's, as they are an intermediate ship class, and likely won't get a T3 form for a while.
Originally by: GM Horse There are all these people at work who keep talking about EVE.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia
I'm assuming you loved the game when everyone was mining in frigates, alliances didn't even exist, and it took 3 months to get enough minerals for a battleship?
As a matter of fact i did.
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kano donn
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:30:00 -
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if they do bring out t3 frigs, i would love to see them add the 5th subsystem to cruisers. another non pvp focus.
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DTMKnight
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:32:00 -
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T3 frigs would be a nice addition to the game. This would let players use and learn T3 before having to spend the crazy big isk on the T3 cruisers.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:38:00 -
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And we will just have a bunch of super-dramiels running around.
Isk is not a limiting factor, capitalblobwarfare shows us that.
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Discrodia
Gallente Green Peace Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill And we will just have a bunch of super-dramiels running around.
Isk is not a limiting factor, capitalblobwarfare shows us that.
Can you go be a ***** somewhere else please?
Originally by: GM Horse There are all these people at work who keep talking about EVE.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill And we will just have a bunch of super-dramiels running around.
Why? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |

Nelindor1
Gallente Kiss My Assets Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill And we will just have a bunch of super-dramiels running around.
Isk is not a limiting factor, capitalblobwarfare shows us that.
If you dont like t3, stop posting in here okay? |

Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.03.20 16:01:00 -
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give us the promised 5 subsystems of each type ... it was due for apocrypha, and nothing happened since
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.20 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia give us the promised 5 subsystems of each type ... it was due for apocrypha, and nothing happened since
What should those subsystems do? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |

Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.03.20 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Amerilia on 20/03/2010 16:06:22
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Amerilia give us the promised 5 subsystems of each type ... it was due for apocrypha, and nothing happened since
What should those subsystems do?
maybe something freaky? mining offensive module cargo propulsion system hull tanking defense gang bonus electronics massive mid/low slot bonus powergrid
or "normal" stuff just something, those models were there, they were on sisi, thats just wasted art
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.20 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Why?
Because its a frigate, and frigate hulls have always been special due to having reasonable escapability built in to the hull size, removing customization considerations for that letting you focus more on the straight up fight.
/sigh
maybe im over reacting, i suppose you could just neut the stupid thing.
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Gabrielle Lamb
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Posted - 2010.03.20 16:24:00 -
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While T3 frigs would be fun i'd personally rather like to see more "cheapish" ships implented rather than more of the uber-expensive ones. While CCP likes boasting how easy it is to get in to EVE-O PvP with a new char i seriously have to disagree with that statement. Coming in and doing something near usefull is pretty much impossible
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Nelindor1
Gallente Kiss My Assets Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.20 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gabrielle Lamb While T3 frigs would be fun i'd personally rather like to see more "cheapish" ships implented rather than more of the uber-expensive ones. While CCP likes boasting how easy it is to get in to EVE-O PvP with a new char i seriously have to disagree with that statement. Coming in and doing something near usefull is pretty much impossible
its about whether or not you know how to fit, some people can take on cruisers in frigates, maybe not with all t1 fits but frigates are cheap and not a big deal to lose.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.20 16:40:00 -
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Im looking forward to t3 frigs.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Wanderer Larze
Caldari Hunt and Salvage Inc. Brig Consortium
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Posted - 2010.03.20 17:58:00 -
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Only thing I am worried about with T3 is the fact that frigates are so susceptible to suicide ganking (smartbombs at gates anyone?) and with the whole losing 1 lvl of a subsystem skill it makes me thing twice about flying one.
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NEMESIS SIN
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.03.20 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 20/03/2010 18:23:08 Caldari BS Lv 5 + Strategic Cruiser Lv 5 + Advanced Spaceship Command Lv 5--for whatever Overpowered-Level4-Mission-Running-Sleeper-Killing Monstrosity the caldari Tech 3 Battleship WILL undoubtedly be.
Were you expecting anything less? 
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.20 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wanderer Larze Only thing I am worried about with T3 is the fact that frigates are so susceptible to suicide ganking (smartbombs at gates anyone?) and with the whole losing 1 lvl of a subsystem skill it makes me thing twice about flying one.
The thing is, this is not something we necessarily have to expect from T3 frigates. It's a mechanism we see in Strategic Cruisers, but there is nothing that says that this is a function inherent in T3 or if it's something we see in SCs. SC:s are one implementation of T3, but they are not equivalent to T3.
In short, apart from the base components and (maybe) the modularity, there is nothing in the Strategic Cruisers that we can or have to expect to see in T3 frigates as well.
Seeing as how they introduced T3 frigates by claiming that they would be "Cheap, highly configurable, and losing one won't be the end of the world", my guess would rather be that we won't see the SP loss mechanic with this new class. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |

Ryhss
Caldari 42nd Airborn
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Posted - 2010.03.20 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ryhss on 20/03/2010 19:02:53
Originally by: Discrodia
Originally by: bff Jill And we will just have a bunch of super-dramiels running around.
Isk is not a limiting factor, capitalblobwarfare shows us that.
Can you go be a ***** somewhere else please?
C U Next Tuesday....
Originally by: Ghoest Im looking forward to t3 frigs.
Me too.
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Athar Mu
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:53:00 -
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Frigs...but only if they have a subsystem that makes them Logistics Frigs. So reduction in RR Cap use and increase to RR Range. In fact just make a T2 Frig like this and I'll be happy.
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w1ndstrike
Honored By Death
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:59:00 -
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T3 frigates will probably have a modular system like SCs and use the exact same racial subsystem skills as the SCs do, it seems to me at least thats why they are a separate category with no ship class requirements. the requirements for T3 frigs if I had to guess would be racial frigate V just like the strategic cruisers needed cruiser 5.
tbh, with T3 frigs we'd probably see something similar to SCs, just not quite as unbalanced. able to mix T2 roles but not being as good as each individual T2 counterpart.
that all said, they'll probably die just as quickly to webs/neuts as any other frigate.
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Caimeka
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Posted - 2010.03.21 01:07:00 -
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the question is. How much would a T3 frig cost.
the cruiser is down to about 400 mil...
maybe 50-60 mil per t3 frigate maybe?
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch TriMark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.21 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill
Originally by: Discrodia
I'm assuming you loved the game when everyone was mining in frigates, alliances didn't even exist, and it took 3 months to get enough minerals for a battleship?
As a matter of fact i did.
lucky enough you are the very minority among the community 
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Valentina Valentia
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.21 08:44:00 -
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I like the idea of the T3 (I fly them), and I don't find them over powered, they are jacks of all trades.
I also noted and have already bought a new Scorpion hulls, because I think CCP is right and will (hopefully) update all the skins again of all the T1/T2 ships in the game, rework the needed ones and buff the looks of all of them... to a nice shine that matches the newest ships - Orca, T3s, etc.
After that - I hope that we get a line of T3 ships, that we also get a reworked T1/T2 version of subsystems.... as I see it the advanced part of T3 really isn't the subsystems, it's the stats of the ships - much better cap, modular layout changes and such... customized subs could be a standard of all ships, if the stats don't change outside of the ranges of each Tech...
So a T1 subs wouldn't work in a T2 or T3 but would have the same kind of function... it would give bonues and slots (which would just be backwards engineered from the existing stats)... then we could add subs for each... to round out the old ships also, which I think is the next stage in ships for EVE, we don't need more hulls, we need more customization in all ships.... ultimately I see it being a kind of make your own ship, (and prob limited skins choices also) for ships.
Just as I see inarna being make our own toon finally, and alot of customization...
The Only ship I think that EVE needs still and doesn't have is a Mobile Corp HQ ship(s)... what would be a mothership(s).
at least three sizes, per say a mobile POS deal... but unlike a POS - it's a ship, it moves, it has slots to load in similar subs to bases, but it's not as tough nor a combat ship as much as a mobile fleet/corp hub ship... that would be most excellent.
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ChrisDude70
Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.03.21 09:00:00 -
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T3 titans! Who can make the most phallic looking spaceship!
Oh, and I might add, this is my signature. |

Grim Vandal
Burn Proof
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Posted - 2010.03.21 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Vandal on 21/03/2010 10:49:11
Originally by: Tamahra lucky enough you are the very minority among the community 
sadly enough that morons like you are welcome now in this game 
Greetings Grim |

Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:16:00 -
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This make a lot of lazy players unhappy but I would love to see all T3 frigs have inherent bubble immunity.
T3 cruisers and bigger need to have penalties for being bubble immune because they have the firepower and tank to be super ships.
But even the best frig is still a frig. The game would be improved if flying frigs actually gave you increased mobility as a trade of for what you lose by flying a little ship..
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 22/03/2010 13:19:22
Originally by: Nelindor1 If CCP said lets have a vote on which t3 ship class will be next what would you pick out of:
Battlecruisers
-or-
Frigates
I think i would choose frigates because it would be cool to have subsystems for little frigates.(lol)
Tell me and explain why.
Wtb frig with AF tank/gank, Inty mobility, cov ops cloak, probes.
Originally by: DTMKnight T3 frigs would be a nice addition to the game. This would let players use and learn T3 before having to spend the crazy big isk on the T3 cruisers.
Now now, letting noobs spend billions on ships they can not fly is a good thing, it measn etter loot for me. No belt like rats quite like noobs :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |

ISellThingz
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Wanderer Larze
Seeing as how they introduced T3 frigates by claiming that they would be "Cheap, highly configurable, and losing one won't be the end of the world", my guess would rather be that we won't see the SP loss mechanic with this new class.
Didn't they say the same thing about T3 Cruisers?
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Raukho
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:30:00 -
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For me I really want to have a science vessel (BC hull?). Something that can probe, hack, analyze, and salvage this while having the dps / tanking capability of it's T1 counterpart. Slots should probaly be limited to be able to only fit certain modules.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Wacktopia on 22/03/2010 14:34:35 I think CCP made a good decision when making T3 ships part of the smaller classes. It gives a massive amount of flexibility without creating "buy-win".
If CCP were to rush into T3 battleships/battlecruisers, they might create a monster.
I think T3 frigates would be good to see next, I'd certainly vote that if given the option.
Originally by: Raukho For me I really want to have a science vessel (BC hull?). Something that can probe, hack, analyze, and salvage this while having the dps / tanking capability of it's T1 counterpart. Slots should probaly be limited to be able to only fit certain modules.
That's a good suggestion actually.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: ISellThingz Didn't they say the same thing about T3 Cruisers?
Not really. They only said that they'd be modular/versatile and thus more expensive, but not always better, than T2.
Cheap and not being the end of the world if you lost one never came up (and those are the two main concerns with a frigate hull)… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |

Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:40:00 -
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I have a hard time seeing how t3 frigates would fit into the current game mechanics, when assault frigs have struggled for so long to find a viable role. Same goes for T2 battleships (black ops). Fix those two ships classes before introducing yet more same-size competitors for their intended roles.
It wouldn't surprise me if CCP sidesteps that whole balancing mess and introduces T3 barges or industrials or the like. -- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in lowsec/0.0/wormhole space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub". |

BenjaminBarker
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:44:00 -
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T3 Destroyers!
The damn things are nearly useless today, so I'd love to see them get some love.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:34:00 -
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You're all wrong. With PI the obvious direction to go is T3 industrials.
You can have a livestock subsystem, perishables subystem, Wine, Quafe, Spirits subsystem, fashionista subsystem, and maybe a cargo optimization subsystem just for grins.
I just can't wait to get my first crop of lavender petals to the market......
EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Wanderer Larze Only thing I am worried about with T3 is the fact that frigates are so susceptible to suicide ganking (smartbombs at gates anyone?) and with the whole losing 1 lvl of a subsystem skill it makes me thing twice about flying one.
The thing is, this is not something we necessarily have to expect from T3 frigates. It's a mechanism we see in Strategic Cruisers, but there is nothing that says that this is a function inherent in T3 or if it's something we see in SCs. SC:s are one implementation of T3, but they are not equivalent to T3.
In short, apart from the base components and (maybe) the modularity, there is nothing in the Strategic Cruisers that we can or have to expect to see in T3 frigates as well.
Seeing as how they introduced T3 frigates by claiming that they would be "Cheap, highly configurable, and losing one won't be the end of the world", my guess would rather be that we won't see the SP loss mechanic with this new class.
Temporary random stat loss, perhaps...?
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Pelorn
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: BenjaminBarker T3 Destroyers!
The damn things are nearly useless today, so I'd love to see them get some love.
This. Training Destroyer to V for ONE class of ship is ridiculous.
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el Sabor
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Posted - 2010.03.22 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Raukho For me I really want to have a science vessel (BC hull?). Something that can probe, hack, analyze, and salvage this while having the dps / tanking capability of it's T1 counterpart. Slots should probaly be limited to be able to only fit certain modules.
If Strategic Cruisers got a subsystem with a bonus to hack, analyse and salvage you'd pretty much have that. I think the fifth round of subsystems should definitely include this if it ever comes along.
...I'm hoping it's not an electronic subsystem.
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.03.22 23:18:00 -
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T3 Frigates please!
I really want a T3 frigate with 25m3 drone bandwidth and a drone damage bonus. I'd even be happy if it only had 1 turret slot (for my Civilian Electron Blaster). 
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Lexx Khadar
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.03.23 00:58:00 -
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I like the modular aspect of t3. Personally id like to see what they'll make of t3 frigs first. T3 has a lot of potential if developed right to really shake the game up for the better. More customization = good in my opinion.
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Midnight Pheonix
Hell's Horsemen Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.03.23 01:57:00 -
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For those that think frigs are useless, look at the killboards, frigs kill larger class vessels all the time. Piloting and fitting have a lot to do with the results, I have taken out cruisers and battlecruisers (with some help) in a t1 fit rifter.
For those that say that you have to play 'so long' before you pvp, that is a big misconception. I got my first pvp kill less than 36 hours after I started.
Ok now that I'm done ranting...I would love to see t3 frigates, more variety in the ships is a good thing. A covops cloaking, heavy hitting, bubble proof, speed frig that could take a beating would be the ship of my dreams. It would make a great sub for sending force recons with bomber gangs for support and long range tackle. I do have to agree the black ops ships do need a rework and the AB bonus to AF's is a needed addition to make them viable to fly. But in all I like the direction the game is taking with t3. Who knows maybe some awesome t3 mods will be coming soon.
Just my 2 isk
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.03.23 02:05:00 -
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The real question you should be asking yourselves is whether or not T3 frigs are going to be released with Tyrranis like CCP promised back in December.  -
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |

Wanderer Larze
Caldari Hunt and Salvage Inc. Brig Consortium
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Posted - 2010.03.24 03:01:00 -
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If the skill loss is not there for T3 frigs I will definitly be getting one. I currently fly a Tengu and am loving it. I am wondering what naming convention they will use for the frigate classes though. Sparrow, Turkey, Finch?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.24 03:59:00 -
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I think CCP needs to be really careful how they implement the rest of T3. Strat Cruisers are mostly OK and don't become ridiculous til you pimp them (Slave Proteus, Pithum A-Type Tengu) so there's plenty of reasons not to use them still.
Don't know if anyone remembers when HACs first came out, not many people could afford or even fly them but the ones who could absolutely dominated EVE combat all the way up until Tier2 BCs. Wasn't fun at all 
- Malyutka (The Virus) - |

Aluin Chaput
Caldari Metanoia. Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 05:52:00 -
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Tech 3 Titan
The Super Titan!
With 10x Ego modifier with all subsystems.
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Iamid Ichabod
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Posted - 2010.03.24 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Raukho For me I really want to have a science vessel (BC hull?). Something that can probe, hack, analyze, and salvage this while having the dps / tanking capability of it's T1 counterpart. Slots should probaly be limited to be able to only fit certain modules.
Something like this?
[Myrmidon, New Setup 1] Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Analyzer I Codebreaker I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II
Salvager I 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
I've found the issue is more the gate restriction than b.c. not being able to fit for what you described. |

PMolkenthin
NibbleTek The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:43:00 -
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T3 Battlecruisers please. ---
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Geanos
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Geanos on 24/03/2010 10:24:36 More T1 Battlecruisers ofc.
Edit: and no, T3 frigs will not be released with Tyrannis, CCP employees always promises much but fail to deliver in 99/100 times. The most amazing thing though, is that there are always people that believe them 
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Caimeka the question is. How much would a T3 frig cost.
the cruiser is down to about 400 mil...
maybe 50-60 mil per t3 frigate maybe?
Much more interesting than that. By introducing t3 frigates ccp adds another market for the sleeper components. That has the added bennefit of a larger demand of those components.
Currently SC cannto be made cheaper because if ccp changes T3 stuff drop rates or ammount needed to build t3 ships, then will become worthless to go Wormholes. You need to keep a balance between the attractiveness fo profit for the sleeper hunters and the low enough price for the T3 buyers.
WIth more products over the same material is easier to build up a healthy economy on t3 components. We can end up in logner run with CHEAPER T3 and more proffit for wormhole explorers, because it opens up space for ccp wot work on balance.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.03.24 11:36:00 -
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is it wrong to want t3 destroyers?
crazy low dps, uber tacklers
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