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Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2012.07.14 23:27:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote: Holding down a solo capital is way to easy. If your not bringing enough guns to kill it fast, then its well within the capital ship pilots right to self-destruct. He's still losing a massive wad of isk, just with the added satisfaction of denying you of you precious killmail. Should have brought more guns!
Then when you bring 40 T3s or 3 dreads people complain about blobbing... besides I've been in a couple of fights with a sizeable enough fleet and the carrier's SD timer has run out while hes still half way through structure.
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Nakashyro
Darkstar Trading Conglomerate Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.07.14 23:35:00 -
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I think self-destruct should be a fixed HP/s so the stronger the tank, the longer it takes. Also, that way, it becomes just another DPS source, which wouldn't reduce the ability to get on the mail for real attackers.
A Heron might sd in like 10 seconds, and an Avatar in 5 mins (math completely ignored for that example).
It always seemed a little weird to me that each ship had a little bomb inside that was capable of destructing the ship, but that the timer was the same for all of them. Why not make it more like a gradual dissolution of the ship's integrity? Wormhole exploration, sales, and location services. Mail me. |

Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
24
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Posted - 2012.07.16 02:38:00 -
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I like it |

WhaleCommander
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
1
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Posted - 2012.07.16 08:55:00 -
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I hear self-destructing ships now yield killmails.
Verified on the test server and shown in this nyx kill: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13995922
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPu5wUugyvc&feature=youtu.be
And this Aeon kill: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13985906
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOAFsgwClog&feature=player_embedded |

Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
266
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Posted - 2012.07.16 09:05:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Obviously you'd need WAAAAAY more firepower. Then your issue wouldn't apply. Holding down a solo capital is way to easy. If your not bringing enough guns to kill it fast, then its well within the capital ship pilots right to self-destruct. He's still losing a massive wad of isk, just with the added satisfaction of denying you of you precious killmail. Should have brought more guns! This is assuming they haven't changed it. Sure seems like a easy way to get the killmail if they have, assuming you can afford to self-destruct one just for that.  Sigh, another one of these.
Read thread before posting. If you read the entire thread and still posted that, please refrain from posting again... or reproducing for that matter. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |

Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
136
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Posted - 2012.07.16 12:10:00 -
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Sadly now a confirmed bug 
We had 3 Dreads SDing on us after these Supers died and they dont generated a KM  |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:21:00 -
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Wait a minute. A guy named suicide r us blew himself up? And you STILL consider this a kill? |

Cryostassiss
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:24:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote: Wait a minute. A guy named suicide r us blew himself up? And you STILL consider this a kill?
Dear god I hope you don't breed.
You can't even distinguish a name from a corporation, his name doesn't even contain "Self" or "destruct"
Please uninstall.
When a ship blows up, it is killed. Did it blow up? Yes. End of story. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.07.16 22:58:00 -
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Cryostassiss wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote: Wait a minute. A guy named suicide r us blew himself up? And you STILL consider this a kill?
Dear god I hope you don't breed. Bit personal for a discussion about a game don't you think? You don't even know me, I could be a molecular biologist on the verge of curing cancer for all you know.
Cryostassiss wrote: You can't even distinguish a name from a corporation, his name doesn't even contain "Self" or "destruct"
He has associated himself with a name in-game of an entity he chose to join, that particular entity is called "Suicides-R-Us." Similarly a part representing the whole, you as a player will likely often be referred to as part of Transmission lost. |

Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
92
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:51:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Cryostassiss wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote: Wait a minute. A guy named suicide r us blew himself up? And you STILL consider this a kill?
Dear god I hope you don't breed. Bit personal for a discussion about a game don't you think? You don't even know me, I could be a molecular biologist on the verge of curing cancer for all you know. Cryostassiss wrote: You can't even distinguish a name from a corporation, his name doesn't even contain "Self" or "destruct"
He has associated himself with a name in-game of an entity he chose to join, that particular entity is called "Suicides-R-Us." Similarly a part representing the whole, you as a player will likely often be referred to as part of Transmission lost. so because his corp names suicide, it means he'd suicide
how about a corp names prostitute, what would it indicate???
or a corp names chicks-r-us, does it mean only chicks there?? |

Mikeyeve
Team Lang
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:56:00 -
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I have to agree it is a shame SDing doesn't report KM or loss. It's good that you can stop the winner of the fights getting loot in a 'screw you' kind of way but it would be nice to still have it registered that it's destruction was caused by another player/s actions.
Just had this in Pilgram vs Scorp navy iss, soon as his drones were gone and he knew he was dead he SD'd.
Oh well, best take ransoms over KM's even on good faction kills .
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Ashimat
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:15:00 -
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Anyone knows why it is that the SD function is not modelled like a built in bomb with a delay? I know you can't argue that game mechanics should be true to real life and/or logical, but designing it that way would make a lot of sense I think.
SD's should just register as one gigantic hit among all the others, if any. If there are no other hits (the pilot SD's in a POS for instance) I don't see why a KM would not be generated as well.
I just can't see the reason things are as they are, anyone can point to a dev blog or something explaining the design? http://rnat-postmortem.blogspot.se |

Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
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Posted - 2012.07.17 04:08:00 -
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Capital SD should destroy pods. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:06:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Capital SD should destroy pods. Why? |

Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
266
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:13:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Capital SD should destroy pods. Why? Because shut up. of reasons. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |

Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
9
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Posted - 2012.07.25 02:07:00 -
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A problem is the number of farmers around driving down the prices. Russian farming groups are a stain upon eve.
We must control the supply and force the smaller groups to comply to our demands.
The best way is to plant some spies in these corps and once the time is right, you stab them into the back and shove them out of the forcefields where they will meet their glorious death. |

Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
27
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Posted - 2012.07.25 03:36:00 -
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Marzuq wrote:A problem is the number of farmers around driving down the prices. Russian farming groups are a stain upon eve.
We must control the supply and force the smaller groups to comply to our demands.
The best way is to plant some spies in these corps and once the time is right, you stab them into the back and shove them out of the forcefields where they will meet their glorious death.
What the **** are you talking about? |

Parsee789
Immaterial and Missing Power
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:10:00 -
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Self-destruction should negate insurance.
I should not receive money if I intentionally blew up my vehicle on purpose.
And self destruct timer should be relevant to ship class.
Its ******** how a Supercapital with 40+ million ehp can self destruct in the same time a puny >1000ehp shuttle.
Capitals should take 15 minutes to self destruct for starters.
Supercapitals should take 45 minutes to self destruct.
Self-destruction under aggression should give you a killmail of the ship. Loot will be destroyed, but a record should still remain. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:41:00 -
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Parsee789 wrote:Self-destruction should negate insurance.
I should not receive money if I intentionally blew up my vehicle on purpose.
And self destruct timer should be relevant to ship class.
Its ******** how a Supercapital with 40+ million ehp can self destruct in the same time a puny >1000ehp shuttle.
Capitals should take 15 minutes to self destruct for starters.
Supercapitals should take 45 minutes to self destruct.
Self-destruction under aggression should give you a killmail of the ship. Loot will be destroyed, but a record should still remain. Why not, if you crash your own car you get a payout don't you? |

Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:04:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Parsee789 wrote:Self-destruction should negate insurance.
I should not receive money if I intentionally blew up my vehicle on purpose.
And self destruct timer should be relevant to ship class.
Its ******** how a Supercapital with 40+ million ehp can self destruct in the same time a puny >1000ehp shuttle.
Capitals should take 15 minutes to self destruct for starters.
Supercapitals should take 45 minutes to self destruct.
Self-destruction under aggression should give you a killmail of the ship. Loot will be destroyed, but a record should still remain. Why not, if you crash your own car you get a payout don't you? Not if you did it on purpose  Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:30:00 -
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Mr Bigwinky wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Parsee789 wrote:Self-destruction should negate insurance.
I should not receive money if I intentionally blew up my vehicle on purpose.
And self destruct timer should be relevant to ship class.
Its ******** how a Supercapital with 40+ million ehp can self destruct in the same time a puny >1000ehp shuttle.
Capitals should take 15 minutes to self destruct for starters.
Supercapitals should take 45 minutes to self destruct.
Self-destruction under aggression should give you a killmail of the ship. Loot will be destroyed, but a record should still remain. Why not, if you crash your own car you get a payout don't you? Not if you did it on purpose  I don't think eve has a claims call centre. |

Klarion Sythis
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:46:00 -
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Sure they do, it's the petition system. An equally timely and fun process. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:51:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:Sure they do, it's the petition system. An equally timely and fun process. Not for claiming your insurance payout for losing a ship though. |

Maximus Hashur
Free Kandee IDENTITY UNKN0WN
12
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:58:00 -
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to be truly accurate, all ship losses regardless of cause should be recorded in the combat log - With the exception of trashing your ship in station, this is an administrative thing akin to tossing unwanted product from inventory.
Rat kills your ship - its in there
Someone gets the drop on you and you SD because you don't want to wait for them to wittle away at your tank (or give them the satisfaction of a damn good KM, its in there.
It should be a complete reflection of your actual flight history, as ship interaction is concerned.
On the flip side, CCP should also figure some way to eliminate the scenario where someone takes damage on one side of the gate, jumps through and then gets killed on the other side - the first damage dealer(s) should be on the kill mail as well, regardless of session change.
Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |

Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
5
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Posted - 2012.07.27 14:42:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Sigh.............already a post on SDing a few threads down. Please use some common sense and check to see if there is a recent previous thread on the subject you are posting about. I'm posting about suicide not being recorded as a kill. (I suppose technically it is but I for one would endeavour to create the games longest list of API verified suicides). This is a game about homicide not suicide, why record suicides (I can only imagine PvPers would agree with me on this, being PvPers, not Pers). That other thread read like a bunch of whines about people wanting non-kill related information recorded in killmails and a feature addition/change suggestion. So You could even argue it's in the wrong section.
Of course its a 'kill' but who gets the 'kill mail' and therefore credit?
Obviously the one who caused the kill, in this case THE ONE WHO SELF DESTRUCTED!!!!
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
2068
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:00:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137718&find=unread
Might want to take a peek at this thread... CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
29
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:15:00 -
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A MILLION HUGS AND LIKES TO YOU!!!  One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |

Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
27
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:18:00 -
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Moonlite sad panda like me nao. |

Cryostassiss
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:45:00 -
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That thread brought a tear to my eye.
Suck it moonlit. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.27 21:08:00 -
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Cryostassiss wrote:That thread brought a tear to my eye.
Suck it moonlit. I'll get over it. |
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