Sigh.............already a post on SDing a few threads down. Please use some common sense and check to see if there is a recent previous thread on the subject you are posting about.

...Just those who don't care about your pathetic problem cba to post in your pathetic thread.

Sigh.............already a post on SDing a few threads down. Please use some common sense and check to see if there is a recent previous thread on the subject you are posting about.

I'm posting about suicide not being recorded as a kill. (I suppose technically it is but I for one would endeavour to create the games longest list of API verified suicides). This is a game about homicide not suicide, why record suicides (I can only imagine PvPers would agree with me on this, being PvPers, not Pers). That other thread read like a bunch of whines about people wanting non-kill related information recorded in killmails and a feature addition/change suggestion. So You could even argue it's in the wrong section.

So lets look at this situation, SD'ing ships in a POS while someone drums on your bubble. No record is generated. You are: -
In a station (pretty much)
You were fired upon on your way there.
No killmail is generated.

In a similar situation you are in NPC nullsec, you are fired upon but dock before destroyed. You decide to trash your ship because you are being camped. No killmail is generated. Why not? it has taken damage almost immediately before from another party and you explicitly request your ship to be destroyed and leave nothing behind. Should this generate a killmail? If not why not?

To look at causation, you are being fired upon and very slowly dying so rather than sit there for 2 hours whilst they slowly kill you you decide to end their suffering and SD. ...Snipped remaining causation blather.

Because by docking you have satisfied 2 game mechanics already in place. First, you would have had to wait out your aggression timer to dock. And more importantly, you would have had a session change by docking.

The session change is important, as it is already a mechanic that deals with this. For example, I engage someone on a gate. They almost kill me but I jump through the gate. On the other side someone else finishes me off. In this instance the first person does not get on the killmail because of the session change.

So not having a killmail would still be consistent with current game mechanics.

Nut up or shut up.
People who SD in combat are the lowest form of coward in EVE.

This game is not all about combat and the actions of a target are not all about the aggressor.

The common misconception is that the reason for the target to self-destruct is to deny the aggressor a killmail. However, when I self-destruct a Strategic Cruiser, I'm self-destructing to protect my skill points and not give away a perfectly repairable ship.
The aggressors and his precious killmail are irrelevant to me

IF someone does indeed self-destructing only to deny the aggressor a killmail, it is just another form of grieving. There are many forms of grieving in EVE, it is just that usually the aggressor is on the delivering, instead of on the receiving side.

So, the tears about not receiving a killmail are no different from the tears from suicide ganked miners. Not getting what you want, or losing what you have, is part of EVE. It is what sets this game apart from your average cuddly MMO.

I want you to imagine for a moment, you are shooting a Drednought in your battle badger. He has no modules fitted and you have enough ammo to keep going til he dies. Suddenly the ship explodes in front of you. You check your combat log but nothing appears. There is no record of you catching this guy with his pants down, utterly embarrased him and would have dealt over a million dmg using just a badger.

Instead the pilot decided to blow his ship up. He knew what the outcome was and took steps to deny you the ship and it's contents. A perfectly legitimate tactic (hey I hear you fannies moaning it's a sandbox all the time). The last person to decisively determine the fate of the ship is it's pilot. just shooting at him doesn't make it your kill does it? It doesn't give you the right to any prestige for damaging a guys ship that exploded of it's own accord surely?

If you happen to be taking a wh and surround their POS, they decide to deny you everything they have these are not your kills. You have not caused a single one of them. Should you choose to argue causation; "Yeah but I send my pixels at him which made him asplode his pixels." Well maybe I should record my debit card transaction to CCP in my killmails, you know, if I wasn't paying the sub I wouldn't ever explode would I?

You have driven them out. They have lost their asset(s). If you have not blown them up why do you think you deserve a killmail?

Don't ever claim the majority in a forum, because more than likely. You are not. Just those who don't care about your pathetic problem cba to post in your pathetic thread.

Your motivation to SD is irrelevant, the reason of SD in that situation is the aggression. You've already been won and just try to minimize your losses.

And the main motivation is not to deny a killmail, but prevent a lossmail.

Tears about being denied something.

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The aggressors always know what happened and why, but the loser gets away with their terribleness without anyone else knowing.

So not having a killmail would still be consistent with current game mechanics.

Apparently, the aggressor wants something (in this case, he wants the victim's loss not going unnoticed) and this 'victim' is denying it the aggressor. Nothing new here, just classic grieving.
The aggressors are now complaining about not getting what they want... it just completes the circle.

I'm picking up the idea that people don't really care about it being an accurate report of what happened. Not really. But that they are more concerned with someone who had a lol fit have this recorded on their losses board. What for? If they only do lol fits they're just gonna die to the next guy anyway, whether or not this was recorded as happening before or not.

I even get the feeling you're main concern is disparaging other people. I don't see how anything more than the fight and their choice to blow up requires any kind of record. We all know CCP actively encourages faggotry in this game. But that's in game, by all means send tornados at mackinaws, but why do you need to record any of this whatsoever? Hey look at my ***** flapping around. It's not as big as it could be though waaaaaaaaahhh.

I'm picking up the idea that people don't really care about it being an accurate report of what happened. Not really. But that they are more concerned with someone who had a lol fit have this recorded on their losses board. What for? If they only do lol fits they're just gonna die to the next guy anyway, whether or not this was recorded as happening before or not.

I even get the feeling you're main concern is disparaging other people. I don't see how anything more than the fight and their choice to blow up requires any kind of record. We all know CCP actively encourages faggotry in this game. But that's in game, by all means send tornados at mackinaws, but why do you need to record any of this whatsoever? Hey look at my ***** flapping around. It's not as big as it could be though waaaaaaaaahhh.

You still don't seem to fully get it- we'd like the real ship losses to be recorded to show the actual events like they happened on Tranquility. Killboards are used to assess a corps performance, and right now these records are not accurate.

I want someone getting roflstomped being visible to others. Current SD mechanics allow considerable losses to be hidden, I don't like that.

And oh, killboards are a inaccurate anyhow (or at least, a selective truth), but I guess we don't have to discuss the obvious.

Some earn their ISK because of those inaccuracies, battles are won and lost on misjudging the opponent. Both Missing- and inaccurate information can be powerful tools.

Good intelligence information should require effort to collect, instead of it being presented to you on a silver platter.