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Alycium Banko Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.03.24 05:55:00 - [31] Edited by: Alycium Banko on 24/03/2010 05:59:52 Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Alycium Banko What a waste of your time posting here. There is 1 character on this account. 1 character on my pvp account making for 2 characters total. If I wanted to hide in the shadows I wouldn't have bothered even attempting to create this IPO. I am clearly not avoiding an audit seeing as I said I would be more than happy to undergo an audit, but as stated I would prefer to get the operation underway. Let's agree that I'm wasting my time. (That is something I expect of my gaming time, after all.) That's not a bar to you benefiting from my observations and questions. For example, your clarification that you have only two accounts and that each has only one pilot establishes some basic information that an auditor will be able to check into when reviewing your accounts. It's more concrete that what you had posted previously. That's helpful. Something that an auditor will not be ale to help you with directly is the tone of your responses in this thread, and the lack of substance in some of them. These factors increase my doubt that this offering truly represents a magnanimous (albeit miniscule) gesture for the benefit of the investing public ('I created this bond to give people somewhere to invest'). Of course, you could still change my mind, and I do have ISK to invest if I am convinced. How in the hell could I change your mind after you blatantly called my IPO a scam? My responses, a bit snappy yes, but is a complete reflection of the posts made by others. Why do you see the need to instantaneously call my OP a scam? Before I even have time to explain myself half of you are already kicking me under the table and pretty much ruining my chance at running a public offering. EDIT: And while you all craft your clever responses to pick me apart further please realize this offer still stands. Obviously there is probably no interest whatsoever as the MD elite have done irreversible damage.
Aluin Chaput Caldari Metanoia. Consortium.	Posted - 2010.03.24 05:58:00 - [32] As somebody with experience failing IPOs, you are past the point of no return, just delete the char and start fresh, or don't try further IPOs.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2010.03.24 06:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Alycium Banko How in the hell could I change your mind after you blatantly called my IPO a scam? My responses, a bit snappy yes, but is a complete reflection of the posts made by others. Why do you see the need to instantaneously call my OP a scam? Before I even have time to explain myself half of you are already kicking me under the table and pretty much ruining my chance at running a public offering. Please link to where I called your offering a scam; I don't recall doing that. Actually going through with the audit that you say you are willing to have done would be one obvious, concrete step toward convincing me. á á
Alycium Banko Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.03.24 06:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Aluin Chaput As somebody with experience failing IPOs, you are past the point of no return, just delete the char and start fresh, or don't try further IPOs. No. Just no. Even though I am getting torn into I'm not going to just back down. I remember reading a forum post a while back and the advice Setrak gave was this, Originally by: SetrakDark Take on established members and hold your ground. I thought this advice was wonderful and I am going to go ahead and stand by.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve	Posted - 2010.03.24 06:22:00 - [35] This reminds me of my very first offering! Calling every MD'er a troll, talking about market research and inter-regional trading :( 1: Why do you think you have the right to gamble (i.e. research) with our ISK? 2: Why have you not done said gamble (research) with your own ISK. 3: How are you making ISK right now, if you haven't done any research! 4: Inter-regional trading probably has the largest burn out factor, of just about everything you could do 5: I find it highly doubtful that you don't have a REAL MAIN, your pvp toon was bought, and you trading toon is relatively new, and since you already said, that only 1 toon exists on each account, that makes me certain that there are atleast 1 account you are trying to keep secret. 5a: Now why would you keep a secret from us?
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.03.24 06:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Alycium Banko Pretty funny however the entirety of the MD regulars attempted to cut down my offering and were met with a brick wall of truth at every turn. Best line I ever read in threads like these. The only way that line could've been improved if Truth was written with a capital T. Free jumpclone service\|924 stations - 6000+ users
Bad Bobby The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2010.03.24 08:03:00 - [37] The best thing for you to do now is to use this as a learning experience. Read the thread from the start and try to see where you made your mistakes. You need to understand that it was you that made this offering fail, not the MD critics. They gave you the spade, but it was you that did the digging.
Riethe	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Bad Bobby The best thing for you to do now is to use this as a learning experience. Read the thread from the start and try to see where you made your mistakes. You need to understand that it was you that made this offering fail, not the MD critics. They gave you the spade, but it was you that did the digging. This advice is useless as you're giving it to a scammer, which is unnecessary and excessive. It's not even applicable. He can't learn anything from this unless he attempts to run a genuine business venture in the future, which is very unlikely.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:11:00 - [39] Originally by: cosmoray Why are you trying to raise 500M at 24% per month, when you have invested 1B at 6% per month? You are losing money on that 1B. Cash out the 1B and use that. Economics 101 Erm ... Cosmo, you have a bond on which you pay 4% and yet you were recently bidding over face value on AATP shares, which have paid out an average of 1.1% in dividends over the last 12 months (plus achieving a 5% increase in face value over the last year). Don't you also hold some T4U shares which have been forecast to earn under 2% in the coming year?
Riethe	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:21:00 - [40] Originally by: RAW23 Erm ... Cosmo, you have a bond on which you pay 4% and yet you were recently bidding over face value on AATP shares, which have paid out an average of 1.1% in dividends over the last 12 months (plus achieving a 5% increase in face value over the last year). Don't you also hold some T4U shares which have been forecast to earn under 2% in the coming year? I don't see cosmoray asking for 500 million ISK, though, which is clearly within this guy's budget. It makes no sense for him to PAY OTHER PEOPLE when he clearly has the capabilities to raise it himself, and pay himself 100% of the profit. And clearly this is not about a public service, because this guy seems to have no social skills or interest in being friendly, so it can't be the whole "public business = fun" thing.
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Alycium Banko No. Just no. Even though I am getting torn into I'm not going to just back down. I remember reading a forum post a while back and the advice Setrak gave was this, Originally by: SetrakDark Take on established members and hold your ground. I thought this advice was wonderful and I am going to go ahead and stand by. Although I strongly disagree with the other things he said in his post I do believe that is a sound piece of advice. Bwahaha. Let me find some other random and brutally sarcastic forum posts of mine for you to follow. I am always amazed at the patience and courtesy most other regulars are willing to extend; it's truly commendable. It's really not hard to be open and honest or considerate of the appearance of your actions and how they'll be interpreted by those in whom you are attempting to instill trust. It shouldn't take 2 pages of people explaining why somebody's offer is inconsistent or untrustworthy; these aren't arcane and esoteric rules and conventions, this is the simple application of common sense. And if people can't meet this standard from the start, then they don't deserve the consideration and further opportunity that they are often shown. My advice to those honest people who are intimidated by threads like these is that you have nothing to fear if you are open and considerate from the start. I and many others are happy to help polish an offer to make it more attractive based on actual conventions surrounding presentation and terms. However, if you are hiding the ball from the start and people have to beat the truth out of you, you will be assaulted with the only tool at our disposal: ridicule.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:24:00 - [42] May I also add a tip? While not being strictly necessary, succesful new bond issuers started discussion threads before they posted a bond request. In those discussion threads they refined their rough edges, got hints, learned that they could improve prospectus and get an audit... Next time few days later they post their bond and it gets filled in no time. Hardly a surprise, eh? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Bad Bobby The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Riethe Originally by: Bad Bobby The best thing for you to do now is to use this as a learning experience. Read the thread from the start and try to see where you made your mistakes. You need to understand that it was you that made this offering fail, not the MD critics. They gave you the spade, but it was you that did the digging. This advice is useless as you're giving it to a scammer, which is unnecessary and excessive. It's not even applicable. He can't learn anything from this unless he attempts to run a genuine business venture in the future, which is very unlikely. Couldn't he learn how to scam better? Or at least put up enough of a fight that the offering isn't dead before I get a chance to read it?
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:35:00 - [44] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: cosmoray Why are you trying to raise 500M at 24% per month, when you have invested 1B at 6% per month? You are losing money on that 1B. Cash out the 1B and use that. Economics 101 Erm ... Cosmo, you have a bond on which you pay 4% and yet you were recently bidding over face value on AATP shares, which have paid out an average of 1.1% in dividends over the last 12 months (plus achieving a 5% increase in face value over the last year). Don't you also hold some T4U shares which have been forecast to earn under 2% in the coming year? I lost the bid on the AATP shares, and I wanted them up to a certain price for a trade. I don't hold any T4U shares
Riethe	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:41:00 - [45] Edited by: Riethe on 24/03/2010 14:41:29 Originally by: Bad Bobby Couldn't he learn how to scam better? Or at least put up enough of a fight that the offering isn't dead before I get a chance to read it? So now you're knowingly giving advice to help people scam? What is this world coming to...
Dzil Caldari SafeHouse Investments of Tautology	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Riethe Edited by: Riethe on 24/03/2010 14:41:29 Originally by: Bad Bobby Couldn't he learn how to scam better? Or at least put up enough of a fight that the offering isn't dead before I get a chance to read it? So now you're knowingly giving advice to help people scam? What is this world coming to... The more investors get pulled into scams, the less in competition for actual investments. It's a bit seedy, but it makes perfect sense. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Dzil Caldari SafeHouse Investments of Tautology	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:49:00 - [47] Quote: ...only tool we have : ridicule. You're forgetting about waffle art. ##### .. # . . .# . # . . . . # . . . . . # .# . .# . # . . . . ### . . #### . # . # . . . . # . . . . # . . # . # . # . . . . # . . . . # . . # . # . ##### Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Power Sauce Kenzzoku	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:05:00 - [48] There's still a massive excess of investor funds available despite watching people invest in several obvious scams recently.
RJ Nobel Nobel Research and Development	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:37:00 - [49] The truth is in the formatting: Alycium Banko's Opening Post Commercant Epique's Opening Post Iskwar's Opening Post My post showing the link between Commercant Epique and Iskwar. To the scammer dude behind all these alts: 1 out of 3 ain't bad, keep it up!
flakeys DRAMA Inc OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Alycium Banko Originally by: cosmoray Yep apparently it is. But 16% is still a lot more than 6, last time I checked. You earn 60M ISK off 1B invested in Atima You pay out 80M at 16% in your bond. I'm still not sure what you are trying to get at. Just because I am only making 60M ISK from Atima's operation doesn't mean I am loosing money. ISK that isn't being used is loosing money, unless I am completely wrong I do believe I am still making money either way, and the fact that interest gained from Atima's bond nearly covers the coupon for this IPO I see that as added guarantee for investors. Wow , you can't be serious with that statement.As said above just say you are trying to repgrind but if you really believe the above statement then just wow.
Legende Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:48:00 - [51] Originally by: flakeys Wow , you can't be serious with that statement.As said above just say you are trying to repgrind but if you really believe the above statement then just wow. It's too late for that now. Had the OP not failed so hard at presenting the bond, I was actually prepared (as were others I'm sure) to take the entire bond myself pending an audit. I can't imagine anyone here is still actually considering this anymore. And thanks to the wonders of eve-search, the OP is screwed on this character for all time. I'm not sure how he would go about getting out of this hole he's dug for himself now.
Atima Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:53:00 - [52] I'll take the full 500mill Convo me ingame giggles manically
Dzil Caldari SafeHouse Investments of Tautology	Posted - 2010.03.25 01:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Atima I'll take the full 500mill Convo me ingame giggles manically I would too in your position: you naturally have a billion isk collateral buffer that he can't run with. When it comes out in the wash he's paying you interest to loan you money. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Taram Caldar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.03.25 12:31:00 - [54] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 25/03/2010 12:33:10 Originally by: RAW23 Don't you also hold some T4U shares which have been forecast to earn under 2% in the coming year? Wow is it going to be that low? I sold my shares a bit ago so stopped paying attention to the thread. Market Alerts Mailing List
Bad Bobby The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2010.03.25 15:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: RAW23 Don't you also hold some T4U shares which have been forecast to earn under 2% in the coming year? Wow is it going to be that low? I sold my shares a bit ago so stopped paying attention to the thread. Current figures indicate a 2.33% average monthly ROI for the next four months. Any predictions for the comming year are just guesswork.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.03.25 16:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: RAW23 Don't you also hold some T4U shares which have been forecast to earn under 2% in the coming year? Wow is it going to be that low? I sold my shares a bit ago so stopped paying attention to the thread. Current figures indicate a 2.33% average monthly ROI for the next four months. Any predictions for the comming year are just guesswork. Sorry - wasn't trying to talk the business down. I was just citing the estimates you gave here (Linkage) two days ago and rounding up a bit. Glad to see things have brightened up since then. Grats on the sales!

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