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Dzeeta Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.07.13 20:47:00 - [601] Edited by: Dzeeta on 13/07/2010 20:55:06 Dont really think it is a big issue. Sure there are several ways to make it all more newbie friendly, some better then the others but i still think that they should not be removed from game.
joshua boston	Posted - 2010.07.13 21:58:00 - [602] Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 11/06/2010 15:38:53 WAAHHHHWAHHHHH WAAHHHHHH quote]
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.07.14 07:42:00 - [603] Edited by: AterraX on 14/07/2010 07:42:34 Originally by: Jasdemi You really believe someone would waste their precious time and search for some no-name like you ingame? And not willing to waste time for dumb things makes my IQ lower? That's really new for me. I think I may learn a lot of more dumb, yet interesting things from you. Go on. Shifting the goalposts, eh? How "known" I am wasn't the issue...now was it? Quote: PS: I recommend all new players to train something else, not learnings. As it looks, it's pretty safe that learnings will be removed. CCP would close all 3 threads, if this wasn't true. For the third time, lying won't help you. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.14 08:58:00 - [604] Originally by: Pantload It's interesting you'd mention hysteria and rage over attribute points. You realize the hysteria and rage is on the part of people like you and that Jasdemi and all the others who want the learning skills gone. I don't see anything hysterical in wanting to make this a more attractive game for new players and getting a bit more value for your money. As you know I also think that with a skillqueue of 30 years, learning skills are a bit nonsensical. And in fact I still haven't seen any good and valid argument against, I've seen a lot of anger and insults instead. Originally by: Pantload You people are the ones hysterical about this. All from a series of offhanded quotes by CCP member during a random Q&A. Sure. It was actually also mentioned in some dev thread. But however you want to intepret those CCP quotes, it's definitely not: "we like the learning skills as they are and we don't have any intention of changing the current leraning skill system". If granting the skills and reimbursing the skill SP and book cost is an option to deal with some learning skills problem and giving them for mission rewards is another, it may give a slight indication of which directions CCP are considering with those skills. I'm not saying or even expecting that CCP is going to do something with this issue anytime soon but I think you must be really thick skulled if you think they're perfectly happy with the learning skills and how much time it costs to train them for new players and have no intention whatsoever to change it. Just like with all EVE related changes, they take their time.
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:54:00 - [605] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 14/07/2010 09:47:42 Originally by: Pantload It's interesting you'd mention hysteria and rage over attribute points. You realize the hysteria and rage is on the part of people like you and that Jasdemi and all the others who want the learning skills gone. I don't see anything hysterical in wanting to make this a more attractive game for new players and getting a bit more value for your money. As you know I also think that with a skillqueue of 30 years, learning skills are a bit nonsensical. In fact it may attract more players that way, generate more income, enabling CCP to attract more devs to deal with other issues a lot faster. Even new players in favour of learning skills wouldn't have missed them if they weren't there in the first place. Imho it's a logical step towards the future. And in fact I still haven't seen any good and valid argument against, I've seen a lot of anger and rudeness instead. Really, if you scream harder or curse more, that still doesn't make you right. Originally by: Pantload You people are the ones hysterical about this. All from a series of offhanded quotes by CCP member during a random Q&A. Sure. It was actually also mentioned in some dev thread. But however you want to intepret those CCP quotes, it's definitely not: "we like the learning skills as they are and we don't have any intention of ever changing the current learning skill system". If granting the skills and reimbursing the skill SP and book cost is an option to deal with some learning skills problem and giving them for mission rewards is another, it may give a slight indication of which directions CCP are considering with those skills. I'm not saying or even expecting that CCP is going to do something with this issue anytime soon but you must be really thick skulled if you think they're perfectly happy with the learning skills and how much time it costs to train them for new players - and have no intention whatsoever to change it. Just like with all EVE related changes, they take their time. The hysteria and anger were your terms. Yours. You notice where I quoted you right? Funny that you'd use the term, then when I point out that it's more applicable to you, you go all serene and say there's no hysteria. I'm not being rude. I'm strongly disagreeing with you. If you must know, I would consider you incredibly rude, as well. I never said CCP likes them. I never said nothing would change about them. You said I said that. Speaking of thick skulled...I'm getting tired of having to explain this type of thing to you people but I'll probably keep having to since you guys love to put words in other people's mouths. What I have always protested is you and all the other screamers getting a free hand out on this proposed welfare plan. That's the part I don't like. You people are unwilling to play the game as it is and so you want it changed to suit you better. If it has to be changed then so be it, but welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:07:00 - [606] Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 14/07/2010 14:10:18 Originally by: Pantload What I have always protested is you and all the other screamers getting a free hand out on this proposed welfare plan. That's the part I don't like. You people are unwilling to play the game as it is and so you want it changed to suit you better. If it has to be changed then so be it, but welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable. What's against free stuff? You got 100k SP, expansions, ships for free, every new character gets some free money and a ship, you get 39 skillpoints for free to start with?! Why is all that ok and skillpoints isn't? And if starter characters get something for free, you also will get your SP reimbursed. So where it comes down to is that basically everyone gets 6 weeks of game time for free, you included. Yes I know you won't like this gift. And well many - if not most - of the people in favour of doing way with learning skills have them trained up anyway, most of us know that if CCP is going to do something about them it's most probably not going to happen this year. And true, the game suits me better without learning skills. I have the opinion that they're pointless and a waste of time and money. "As you know I also think that with a skillqueue of 30 years, learning skills are a bit nonsensical. In fact it may attract more players that way, generate more income, enabling CCP to attract more devs to deal with other issues a lot faster. Even new players in favour of learning skills wouldn't have missed them if they weren't there in the first place. Imho it's a logical step towards the future." So it may in the end benefit the game for us all, and you as well. But you don't want it just because you like all free things that EVE gives you but you won't accept it if we all get 6 weeks of free SP so starting players will have an easier time. I see no logic in that. I'd really like to see some better argument than "welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable". If you have any.
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:19:00 - [607] I simply can't get enough of this bull**-posting-Pantload. Awesome work, really awesome! Looking forward to read more of your wannabe-"arguments". To start you off, learnings will be removed. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!**
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:29:00 - [608] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring What's against free stuff? You got 100k SP, expansions, ships for free, every new character gets some free money and a ship, you get 39 skillpoints for free to start with?! Why is all that ok and skillpoints isn't? And if starter characters get something for free, you also will get your SP reimbursed. So where it comes down to is that basically everyone gets 6 weeks of game time for free, you included. Yes I know you won't like this gift. And well many - if not most - of the people in favour of doing way with learning skills have them trained up anyway, most of us know that if CCP is going to do something about them it's most probably not going to happen this year. And true, the game suits me better without learning skills. I have the opinion that they're pointless and a waste of time and money. "As you know I also think that with a skillqueue of 30 years, learning skills are a bit nonsensical. In fact it may attract more players that way, generate more income, enabling CCP to attract more devs to deal with other issues a lot faster. Even new players in favour of learning skills wouldn't have missed them if they weren't there in the first place. Imho it's a logical step towards the future." So it may in the end benefit the game for us all, and you as well. But you don't want it just because you like all free things that EVE gives you but you won't accept it if we all get 6 weeks of free SP so starting players will have an easier time. I see no logic in that. I'd really like to see some better argument than "welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable". If you have any. I never wanted any of that free crap they gave away. I never asked for it. It won't be a free 6 weeks of game time for me! They'll give me back the SP I gained while training during time I paid for. No free game time for me. You are sadly wrong in this assumption. It would be free game time for the new players though, eh? Kind of like my satellite provide offer free equipment upgrades to new customers and refusing me since I've already been with them for years. Nice loyalty on part of the service provider towards its loyal customers. Same thing here. You want a better argument than "welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable" and you make statements like "I have the opinion that they're pointless and a waste of time and money." Giving all of you a handout is welfare. Pure and simple. Like welfare programs in real life, they don't promote people to do for themselves. It promotes people to have done for them. You and all the other screamers are dying to get your welfare handout so that the game will become much easier and more fun in your opinion. It won't though. You'll still have to train a bunch of other skills you need and those will take quite some time during which you'll have to wait. At what point will you get tired of having to wait on your other skills to train and decide to go on a new Jihad? I don't find this welfare proposal to be an acceptable solution to the so-called "learning skill" problem. Other solutions have been suggested but you've already decided you don't care for any of those and you'll just take your welfare hand-out thankyouverymuch. There's your expanded argument. You won't accept it any way. Too short sighted. Too caught up in trying to get your hand-out. Also, you have to stop rattling on about the 30 year skill queue. Nobody needs every damn skill to a 5. That's why the skillset is so depressingly large. They want you to specialize. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:57:00 - [609] Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 14/07/2010 14:59:46 Originally by: Pantload blah blah Wel it's clear you don't want any gifts and actually dispise them, perhaps you hate santa claus and thanksgiving too (I presume you're american, if not: your local present exchanging holidays)? - Still you don't answer my argument that no learning skills will attract more people. There's a lot of posts from people with friends who really didn't want to bother with learning skills so didn't sign up after trial. So no use denying that point. - Also more people playing -> more money for CCP -> more resoruces to attract devs to improve upon the game. Also no word from you to counter this argument. - 6 weeks of "free time" - I mean skilling time, not playing time. Everyone gets the learning skills to 5 and a refund for what you already had. It doesn't advantage me more or less than you. And new players also don't get 6 weeks of free time, they get the SP. Just like you and me. I must say I still haven't read anything else than "welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable" as your counterargument. Giving away skills "don't promote people to do for themselves"? What the hell is that supposed to mean, game-wise?
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:02:00 - [610] Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 14/07/2010 15:05:35 Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 14/07/2010 15:03:44 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 14/07/2010 14:58:42 Originally by: Pantload blah blah Wel it's clear you don't want any gifts and actually dispise them, perhaps you hate santa claus and thanksgiving too (I presume you're american, if not: your local present exchanging holidays)? - Still you don't answer my argument that less learning skills will atract more people. There's a lot of posts from people with friends who really didn't want to bother with learning skills so didn't sign up after trial. So no use denying that point. Again the fault doesn't lie in the learning skills, this also goes for other semi expensive books for a new player. - Also more people playing -> more money for CCP -> more resoruces to attract devs to improve upon the game. Also no word from you to counter this argument. - 6 weeks of "free time" - I mean skilling time, not playing time. Everyone gets the learning skills to 5 and a refund for what you already had. It doesn't advantage me more or less than you. And new players also don't get 6 weeks of free time, they get the SP. Just like you and me. I must say I still haven't read anything else than "welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable" as your counterargument. Giving away skills "don't promote people to do for themselves"? What the hell is that supposed to mean, game-wise? There's no definite proof that less learning skills will attract more people thom, yeah i've heard the stories friends who joined and left because they had to train the learnign skills for 3 months etc. But that isn't the fault of the learning skills, that fault lies in the playerbase telling others to do it, here is also a argument i took up in another thread. How often can a new player make 4 millions for himself in a week? even less 20 million for all books if all he's done during his time is to train learning skills. My point is that, a new player won't be able to afford the books if he can't get a source of income, unless someone borrows him/her the money. But what do you want out of a new player, someone who can make his own living or someone that has to rely on others for his first 2-3 months of gametime? This also goes for other books than the learning skill books, true a corp can sponsor them in some cases. But if the player can't make a living for himself, how is he supposed to be able to buy other books?
zoe starchild	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:11:00 - [611] Originally by: Jasdemi I simply can't get enough of this bull****-posting-Pantload. Awesome work, really awesome! Looking forward to read more of your wannabe-"arguments". To start you off, learnings will be removed. Hopefully you will be removed for trolling the issue before this ever happens, welcome to being reported (again).
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:13:00 - [612] Originally by: Reldor Silverheart Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 14/07/2010 15:05:35 Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 14/07/2010 15:03:44 Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 14/07/2010 14:58:42 Originally by: Pantload blah blah Wel it's clear you don't want any gifts and actually dispise them, perhaps you hate santa claus and thanksgiving too (I presume you're american, if not: your local present exchanging holidays)? - Still you don't answer my argument that less learning skills will atract more people. There's a lot of posts from people with friends who really didn't want to bother with learning skills so didn't sign up after trial. So no use denying that point. Again the fault doesn't lie in the learning skills, this also goes for other semi expensive books for a new player. - Also more people playing -> more money for CCP -> more resoruces to attract devs to improve upon the game. Also no word from you to counter this argument. - 6 weeks of "free time" - I mean skilling time, not playing time. Everyone gets the learning skills to 5 and a refund for what you already had. It doesn't advantage me more or less than you. And new players also don't get 6 weeks of free time, they get the SP. Just like you and me. I must say I still haven't read anything else than "welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable" as your counterargument. Giving away skills "don't promote people to do for themselves"? What the hell is that supposed to mean, game-wise? There's no definite proof that less learning skills will attract more people thom, yeah i've heard the stories friends who joined and left because they had to train the learnign skills for 3 months etc. Maybe not, but there's definite proof that learning skills scare new players away. I won't post any proofs, but think about it: How many of your RL friends, family, or w/e would want to spend 3x15$ for practically nothing? =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:24:00 - [613] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 14/07/2010 14:59:46 Wel it's clear you don't want any gifts and actually dispise them, perhaps you hate santa claus and thanksgiving too (I presume you're american, if not: your local present exchanging holidays)? This is you assuming. Did you actually just go to "You hate Santa Claus"?! Now I know you're losing this argument. Originally by: Jennifer Fenring - Still you don't answer my argument that no learning skills will attract more people. There's a lot of posts from people with friends who really didn't want to bother with learning skills so didn't sign up after trial. So no use denying that point. Why do I have to answer you on this? I have brought in a bunch of friends and they all stayed. I can't say why other people's friends don't stay but learning skills aren't the main cause of new players losing interest and leaving game. Originally by: Jennifer Fenring - Also more people playing -> more money for CCP -> more resoruces to attract devs to improve upon the game. Also no word from you to counter this argument. Really? You state something ridiculously obvious and then challenge me to argue with it? Bah. Here's this: "The sky is blue. You haven't said one thing to counter this argument." Originally by: Jennifer Fenring - 6 weeks of "free time" - I mean skilling time, not playing time. Everyone gets the learning skills to 5 and a refund for what you already had. It doesn't advantage me more or less than you. And new players also don't get 6 weeks of free time, they get the SP. Just like you and me. Still a bunch of free crap. I don't want it and you don't need it. Originally by: Jennifer Fenring I must say I still haven't read anything else than "welfare handouts for you and the other screamers is not acceptable" as your counterargument. Giving away skills "don't promote people to do for themselves"? What the hell is that supposed to mean, game-wise? Then you didn't read. I told you that you'd not accept my expanded argument. You are still failing to make any convincing arguments from your side. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:40:00 - [614] Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 15:40:22 Originally by: Pantload There is definite proof but you wont post any? Post your proof or it doesn't exist. This paying for 3 months to do nothing in game is what YOU did. It's not what sane people should do. Being efficient is not sane? Seriously dude, what the hell are you talking about? Don't you have even have some common sense? =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:49:00 - [615] Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 15:40:22 Originally by: Pantload There is definite proof but you wont post any? Post your proof or it doesn't exist. This paying for 3 months to do nothing in game is what YOU did. It's not what sane people should do. Being efficient is not sane? Seriously dude, what the hell are you talking about? Don't you have even have some common sense? Learning skills =/= Efficeancy. Being able to stand on your own leg withoyut relying on others to much = Efficency.
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 16:00:00 - [616] Originally by: Reldor Silverheart Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 15:40:22 Originally by: Pantload There is definite proof but you wont post any? Post your proof or it doesn't exist. This paying for 3 months to do nothing in game is what YOU did. It's not what sane people should do. Being efficient is not sane? Seriously dude, what the hell are you talking about? Don't you have even have some common sense? Learning skills =/= Efficeancy. Being able to stand on your own leg withoyut relying on others to much = Efficency. 1. Learn to spell "Efficiency" properly. 2. Google for "Efficiency" and learn what it means. 3. ????? 4. Profit!! =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.14 16:10:00 - [617] Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 14/07/2010 16:12:49 Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Reldor Silverheart Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 15:40:22 Originally by: Pantload There is definite proof but you wont post any? Post your proof or it doesn't exist. This paying for 3 months to do nothing in game is what YOU did. It's not what sane people should do. Being efficient is not sane? Seriously dude, what the hell are you talking about? Don't you have even have some common sense? Learning skills =/= Efficeancy. Being able to stand on your own leg withoyut relying on others to much = Efficency. 1. Learn to spell "Efficiency" properly. 2. Google for "Efficiency" and learn what it means. 3. ????? 4. Profit!! Got no idea what you use as definition. But here's the one i got. Word Origin & History efficiency 1630s, "power to accomplish something," from L. efficientia (see efficient). In mechanics, "ratio of useful work done to energy expended," from 1858. Attested from 1952 as short for efficiency apartment (itself from 1930). Do you need learning skills to achieve something? I don't think so... And well while efficency is relative to the effect you get out of it well. But why make silly RL comparisons to a srs spaceship game? What i am trying to get to is that you need to balance the two factors Learning on one hand, and actual skills on the other. Certainly you can do one or the other at a time. But a balance is best for the best efficency.
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 16:27:00 - [618] Edited by: Pantload on 14/07/2010 16:34:15 Edited by: Pantload on 14/07/2010 16:31:42 Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 15:40:22 Originally by: Pantload There is definite proof but you wont post any? Post your proof or it doesn't exist. This paying for 3 months to do nothing in game is what YOU did. It's not what sane people should do. Being efficient is not sane? Seriously dude, what the hell are you talking about? Don't you have even have some common sense? You obviously have not been efficient. I've seen your SP total and it sucks considering your time in game. You sat on a station for months and did nothing. Almost or actually quitting several times ( You said this. Not me. I can find it for you. ) You could have actually had fun at first and been just as far as you are now ( probably farther as you would have stuck to it continuously ). This is a game. Min/maxing to the extent that you sit on station and do nothing for 3 months is certainly efficient ( if you do it right which you didn't ) but it's definitely not fun. I never finished my learning skills until I was over a year into the game and I still had a lot more SP at the end of my first year than you have now. Plus I got to play and do A LOT of things right from the very beginning. So much for your brand of efficiency. "Seriously dude, what the hell are you talking about? Don't you have even have some common sense?" Also where is your definite proof that you talked about concerning learning skills? How can your proof be so definite and you be totally unwilling to share it with the rest of us? And didn't you swear off trolling and turn pro-learning skills the other day? Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Pantload Sure you did. You stated it as a fact several times. I'll be happy to show you where. As for trolling... You may dismount from your high horse now. The Mods had to clean up after your trolling, as well What trolling? I don't even know how it works. I'm pure as an innocent caldarian slave kid. Now stop talking off topic. I personally strongly suggest to keep learning skills, because: 1. Learning skills keep impatient WoW players away. 2. Learning skills keep young players away, who can't pay severals months of subs for practically nothing. Paying several months for nothing ensures that only the most serious and mature players keep subscribing. 3. EVE is a harsh world, no free candies here, hence no free attributes. If you want free stuff, go back to WoW. Pathetic freeloader. 4. Learning skills reward patience and planning. People without patience will be disadvantaged, which is good. 5. Internet spaceships is a serious business, hence only the serious will survive. Serious players train learnings. nonserious ones don't. 6. Removal of learnings will kill the community, since all the lazy freeloaders will rush in and destroy it. Without learnings new players will train all skills in no time and become too competitive. Noobs are noobs. There's no exception. Survive the life of a noob or leave. If CCP ever decides to alter the Learnings, I'll be one of the first players to leave. The date of learning skills removal will be the date of the transformation from EVE to EMHKO (EVE MEETS HELLO KITTY ONLINE). Please CCP, don't remove or alter the learning skills. This system is working as intended. Don't break working features. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 16:41:00 - [619] Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 16:42:00 Originally by: Pantload And didn't you swear off trolling and turn pro-learning skills the other day? It's totally another thread mate. Don't mix them up. As for my "low" SP amount, the last 2 year were really busy due to a lot of school and work. You know, stuff you do in real life to make a living. Not selling alliances/corps in a internet spaceships game. Real stuff, which you're probably unaware of. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 17:19:00 - [620] Originally by: Jasdemi It's totally another thread mate. Don't mix them up. Totally your words on totally the same subject. Not mixed up at all. Originally by: Jasdemi As for my "low" SP amount, the last 2 year were really busy due to a lot of school and work. Skill queue? Originally by: Jasdemi You know, stuff you do in real life to make a living. Not selling alliances/corps in a internet spaceships game. Real stuff, which you're probably unaware of. I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.07.14 17:41:00 - [621] Originally by: Pantload I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. Was **** so cash?
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 18:22:00 - [622] Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Originally by: Pantload I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. Was ** so cash? If you're going to quote me and respond, do try to make some kind of sense. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes.** Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 18:35:00 - [623] Originally by: Pantload I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. Hahahaha! Now he's showing off with his "real life". Dude, I don't care who you are or what you're doing in your real life. EVE is a game, don't mix these things with each other too much. If you want to talk about your real life problems & issues, try some therapist or w/e. However, Skill Discussion forum is definitely not suited for this. The learning skills threads were now up for almost 3 weeks and no single thread was closed, hence it's not a rumor and the majority of posters also agrees to this change. Good luck resisting to the very end. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.14 18:49:00 - [624] Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 14/07/2010 18:52:45 Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Pantload I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. Hahahaha! Now he's showing off with his "real life". Dude, I don't care who you are or what you're doing in your real life. EVE is a game, don't mix these things with each other too much. If you want to talk about your real life problems & issues, try some therapist or w/e. However, Skill Discussion forum is definitely not suited for this. The learning skills threads were now up for almost 3 weeks and no single thread was closed, hence it's not a rumor and the majority of posters also agrees to this change. Good luck resisting to the very end. Not to burst your bubble... but it was you who brought up IRL in the first place, he placed a well put counter argument to yours, so you're the one that got burnt. Also plenty of learning skills thread has been closed, they probably just wanted to keep 3 going at tops, That's why they haven't been closed. And no.. there isn't a majority, it's about 50/50 if not 40/60 and in the one in the assembly hall there isn't a majority that supports it, far from a mjaority as a matter of fact.
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:12:00 - [625] Edited by: Pantload on 14/07/2010 19:12:55 Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Pantload I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. Hahahaha! Now he's showing off with his "real life". Dude, I don't care who you are or what you're doing in your real life. EVE is a game, don't mix these things with each other too much. If you want to talk about your real life problems & issues, try some therapist or w/e. However, Skill Discussion forum is definitely not suited for this. The learning skills threads were now up for almost 3 weeks and no single thread was closed, hence it's not a rumor and the majority of posters also agrees to this change. Good luck resisting to the very end. Your arguments are degenerating to a point where you will actually pretty much be a monkey throwing his own ***** at people very soon. edit whoa. The forum's censor mechanism cuts out the word f.e.c.e.s. and not the word crap. It's a medical term, ffs. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:26:00 - [626] Originally by: Pantload Edited by: Pantload on 14/07/2010 19:12:55 Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Pantload I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. Hahahaha! Now he's showing off with his "real life". Dude, I don't care who you are or what you're doing in your real life. EVE is a game, don't mix these things with each other too much. If you want to talk about your real life problems & issues, try some therapist or w/e. However, Skill Discussion forum is definitely not suited for this. The learning skills threads were now up for almost 3 weeks and no single thread was closed, hence it's not a rumor and the majority of posters also agrees to this change. Good luck resisting to the very end. Your arguments are degenerating to a point where you will actually pretty much be a monkey throwing his own *** at people very soon. Now that's very creative, I must say. What must I do to have same sick thoughts like you? =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!**
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:52:00 - [627] Edited by: Pantload on 14/07/2010 19:54:15 Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Pantload Edited by: Pantload on 14/07/2010 19:12:55 Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Pantload I have to shake my head at this. Not that it's any concern of yours but I own and run a business IRL. What I do in-game as an income stream is totally unrelated. You're going to have to smarten up enormously before you are in a position to condescend to the likes of me. Hahahaha! Now he's showing off with his "real life". Dude, I don't care who you are or what you're doing in your real life. EVE is a game, don't mix these things with each other too much. If you want to talk about your real life problems & issues, try some therapist or w/e. However, Skill Discussion forum is definitely not suited for this. The learning skills threads were now up for almost 3 weeks and no single thread was closed, hence it's not a rumor and the majority of posters also agrees to this change. Good luck resisting to the very end. Your arguments are degenerating to a point where you will actually pretty much be a monkey throwing his own ***** at people very soon. Now that's very creative, I must say. What must I do to have same sick thoughts like you? Monkeys throw their own poo at people. It's common knowledge among all of us higher life forms, monkeyboy. I don't make this stuff up. Nice failed attempt once again at taking the intellectual high road. That school that kept you so busy for 2 years that you couldn't work the skill queue...that didn't really do you any good did it? edit This line of discussion is still way off topic. You are continuing to troll this thread and derail the discussion. You're doing it on purpose for your childish amusement. It really needs to stop. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.14 20:06:00 - [628] Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 20:07:14 Originally by: Pantload This line of discussion is still way off topic. You are continuing to troll this thread and derail the discussion. You're doing it on purpose for your childish amusement. It really needs to stop. Actually you're the one derailing. I'm always talking about learnings and how negatively they affect EVE. You in comparison are trying to derail this thread, so the mods close it, because you're against the removal of learnings. How about you get back on-topic and discuss about learnings, not about yourself and what you do in RL. For this purpose you can try the Out of Pod Experience sub-forum. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.14 20:23:00 - [629] Edited by: Pantload on 14/07/2010 20:24:39 Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 14/07/2010 20:07:14 Originally by: Pantload This line of discussion is still way off topic. You are continuing to troll this thread and derail the discussion. You're doing it on purpose for your childish amusement. It really needs to stop. Actually you're the one derailing. I'm always talking about learnings and how negatively they affect EVE. You in comparison are trying to derail this thread, so the mods close it, because you're against the removal of learnings. How about you get back on-topic and discuss about learnings, not about yourself and what you do in RL. For this purpose you can try the Out of Pod Experience sub-forum. As the other fellow pointed out...you're the one who dragged real life occupations into this. Reality is your friend. Embrace it. You have got to get a grip on yourself. Do you possess any type of impulse control or self-censorship mechanisms? Based on everything you've said so far, I'll be forced to assume that you don't. Oh please. You aren't going to blame me for the forum mods closing that other thread. They closed it because it was thread #X on the subject and was totally unnecessary. As I've always said, there may be something to be done about the learning skill situation, but removing them entirely from the game and instituting a welfare hand-out bonus program is not the only way and possibly not the best way. There are several other good alternative proposals and I'd be willing to bet there's an even better idea out there somewhere that I haven't even seen yet. You've got to keep your mind open to other compromise possibilities besides gutting a portion of the skill system and giving welfare handout bonuses. Will you at least admit that there may be some type of other compromise solution to this problem? You admitting that would be one step towards achieving common ground and one step towards compromise and ultimately the best possible workable solution to what you guys see as a problem here. You act like a person participating in a protest. You've got your big sign and you're banging on something, walking around in a circle and chanting the same things over and over again. You are STILL steering this thread off course. You have to stop. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
HiMyNameIsBoxxy	Posted - 2010.07.14 23:04:00 - [630] Originally by: drake duka I have most of my learnings to 5/5, some 5/4 so I would have wasted a lot of time either way but I wouldn't be ****ed or anything if this nuisance was removed for the sake of newer players sticking to the game. Dunno if this has already been said but: lolwut a vet.

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