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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 15/07/2010 20:35:26
 Originally by: Pantload
You admit you're an alt and you admit you don't want anyone knowing who your main is. That doesn't do good things for your credibility. Especially considering you dog-piling the other person for being an alt.
I'm not denying anything and I never did. What has credibility to do with forum alts or mains? It's the same person. The arguments are still either valid or not. What's logical remains logical.
But you have some strange ideas about this too I guess? "posting for free without working for it" perhaps? 
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.15 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Pantload on 15/07/2010 20:50:21
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
I'm not denying anything and I never did. What has credibility to do with forum alts or mains? It's the same person. The arguments are still either valid or not. What's logical remains logical.
But you have some strange ideas about this too I guess? "posting for free without working for it" perhaps?
You don't see the obvious hypocrisy of you only posting on an alt ( because for reasons unknown you don't want us to know your main ) and at the same time you jumped in with Jasdemi and dog-piled that other person for being an alt? And you say I have strange ideas?  
"posting for free without working for it" perhaps? -
I believe this is your attempt at being cute and/or twisting my words and/or throwing them back in my face. Fail. You have to insist on making some kind of sense for this tactic to work.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
You don't see the obvious hypocrisy of you only posting on an alt ( because for reasons unknown you don't want us to know your main ).
Explain to me what exactly is hypocritical about posting with an alt? Who knows you're also an alt of an even older player, explain to me what does it matter?!?! I definitely don't care.
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Jeleka Valens
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:25:00 -
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Is someone named "Pantload," really giving a forum alt ethics lecture here?
Your name is a metaphor for the result of defecating in your trousers mate.
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:41:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Jeleka Valens
Is someone named "Pantload," really giving a forum alt ethics lecture here?
Your name is a metaphor for the result of defecating in your trousers mate.
Yes on both counts. Although, I think me and everybody else knew the exact nature of the crude joke that is my name, thanks for explaining it to us!
You guys are obviously blind. A person who admits being an alt jumps on someone else for being an alt, I point it out, and you guys act like I'm the crazy person. Christ this forum is like a bloody lunatic ward.
Fenring: Seriously? Me an alt?. Look around will you. Find my years-old business thread still running or maybe pick up one of a number of issues of EON and look for the ads with my name in them. Hint: I'm on the inside front cover of the latest issue.
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Squeekie
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:22:00 -
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Well, im a fairly new player (for just over 6 months)and if you believe me or not i couldn't give a ****.
Luckily when i wanted to try EvE a couple of my friends gave me a couple of characters (one was 13 mill SP and the other was 3.5 mill SP)with the learning skills already done at 5/4. If I had to do that from scratch knowing what i know now, i personally wouldnt have bothered with the game.
Too many pro learning poeple think that new players should play the game for a month and be expected to know if they will be playing for the next 2 years!
I personally dont start a new game and within a week or two think ' yeh this game is a winner, definately gonna be playing in 2 years time!'
The way i see it learning skills are not there to introduce depth to this game. As already pointed out there are years of skills in this game already. The learning skills are just another timesink for people to do so your subscription stays active and CCP get more money! - whether this thought is right or wrong is not the issue. If i started from scratch and found out about the learning skills helping me learn, to learn faster, i would think 'Nice try CCP, im not spending 2 months and $30 on EvE learning to learn faster on a game i dont even know whether i like yet!' and i would be gone.
I also wouldnt bother moaning on the forums about it before i went. And im sure theres alot of people that have tried EvE, been told rightly or wrongly about the the learning skills, and just saw it as a money grabbing exercise and ****ed off to another game.
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Jeleka Valens
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Posted - 2010.07.16 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
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What's any of that to do with the topic? I've browsed the length of this thread now and i'm seeing you derail it more often than the alts in here have. I can't decide wether you're attempting to submit that your elder opinion is somehow better representative of the EVE playerbase or that you're suggesting that new players (which you seem to have blanketed as having inhumanly short attention spans) are simply bad for the game. Neither one is true.
Give it a rest will you?
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KalEl Trask
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Posted - 2010.07.16 03:59:00 -
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I support this idea.
I have 4 accounts at 5/5 and 1 at 5/4.
As far as getting the skills re-assigned...
CCP has proved they can do it from the downtime skill point returns.
Do I care if could re-allocate them or not. NO!
Take 'em away whatever.
That's how much I think so little of that system.
You want knew players. Get rid of this wasted time sink and all players skills to 5/5 by default.
Kal
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Jasdemi
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Posted - 2010.07.16 13:56:00 -
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Pantoad, stop derailing this thread already. In the past few pages you've been only posting off-topic and insulting everyone who wants learning skills to be removed.
Can't you accept their opinion? We know that you don't want EVE to grow and give new players an easier launch, hence you troll and insult everyone here.
It's your job after all to damage the community and I fully understand and accept this, but stop insulting everyone. Do your job in a creative way.
Also you have to accept that learning skills will be removed, it's just a matter of time. Live with this, my dear.
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Pantload on 16/07/2010 14:04:08
Originally by: Jeleka Valens
Originally by: Pantload
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What's any of that to do with the topic? I've browsed the length of this thread now and i'm seeing you derail it more often than the alts in here have. I can't decide wether you're attempting to submit that your elder opinion is somehow better representative of the EVE playerbase or that you're suggesting that new players (which you seem to have blanketed as having inhumanly short attention spans) are simply bad for the game. Neither one is true.
Give it a rest will you?
I don't care what you're attempting to decide. I never said my opinion was better. I'm here to argue against the removal of learning skills and the welfare program that has been proposed to replace them. I never suggested new players are bad for the game. I have actually stated the opposite. You clearly did not read this thread very well. I also never stated that new players have inhumanly short attention spans. Everyone else seems to think that. It's why apparently the learning skills must go so that we can keep the new players interested. In short, you're like Fenring, Jasdemi, and quite a few others who post in this thread. You're trying to put words in mouth that I never said.
Really? Give it a rest? I'm not your child that you can simply call down and have cow to you. I'll never give it a rest. Especially now.
Oh and...speaking of derailing...the only things you've posted have been massively off-topic and directed only at me. Let's get back to the subject at hand.
Originally by: Jasdemi
Pantoad, stop derailing this thread already. In the past few pages you've been only posting off-topic and insulting everyone who wants learning skills to be removed.
Can't you accept their opinion? We know that you don't want EVE to grow and give new players an easier launch, hence you troll and insult everyone here.
It's your job after all to damage the community and I fully understand and accept this, but stop insulting everyone. Do your job in a creative way.
Also you have to accept that learning skills will be removed, it's just a matter of time. Live with this, my dear.
Stop trolling? Stop derailing? Said the pot to the kettle.
The statement that learning skills are definitely going to be removed is still not a factual one. Not one supported by any official statement from CCP. You just keep saying it over and over again. I have tried to get everybody here to at least attempt to discuss other compromise solutions to this problem and you're not interested. You only want your welfare hand-out bonus. I don't have to like that and I don't have to accept that. I don't think it's the best way to deal with this problem.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Pantoad, stop derailing this thread already. In the past few pages you've been only posting off-topic and insulting everyone who wants learning skills to be removed.
Can't you accept their opinion? We know that you don't want EVE to grow and give new players an easier launch, hence you troll and insult everyone here.
It's your job after all to damage the community and I fully understand and accept this, but stop insulting everyone. Do your job in a creative way.
Also you have to accept that learning skills will be removed, it's just a matter of time. Live with this, my dear.
Pot, kettle, black combined with lying...still trolling I see.
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:02:00 -
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What would be great to see is:
A compiled list of reasons cited by folks who are for and folks who are against changing the learning skill system as it currently is. Additionally, a compiled list of proposed changes to the system, the rationale for each proposed change and the arguments for and against each proposed change. Having this info centralized at the top of one post and maintained/updated so that a real "state of the argument" can be kept instead of having to scan through 20+ pages of me and the other monkeys engaged in a poo-flinging contest trying to sift out the important points.
Let's get all the ideas organized. Let's have a list of many people's opinions on the subject. Lots of folks cite similar points of view and similar reasons. Let's make it easier to see all this and understand the problem as a whole and to understand the true "will of the people" as a whole.
It's probably safe to assume that the learning skill "situation" won't stay exactly like it is forever. There's been too much screaming for change. Some type of change will be made. I don' think that removing the learning skills and giving a bonus to everyone so that everybody always trains at the same base speed is the best possible solution. Other alternate proposals have been made. Some damn good ones in fact. Some I support. I'm convinced there are other good ideas out there that should be brought up. The smartest way to "solve" this "problem" with the learnings is to discuss every possible alternative, weigh the pros and cons and then pick the one with most favorable ratio of pros to cons. Currently, the only idea that's really been pushed or jumped onto is this current one and it's not the difficult to see why. It's a giant giveaway. Big freebies for everybody. That type of "solution" should at least raise an eyebrow or give one pause to say "wait a minute. is this really the best way?"
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Jeleka Valens
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:14:00 -
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Yes, it would be great to see those things, but it won't happen while you continue to derail any post ado of learning skills or their reform.
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Jasdemi
Caldari Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jeleka Valens
Yes, it would be great to see those things, but it won't happen while you continue to derail any post ado of learning skills or their reform.
Agree.
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:32:00 -
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Hmm. I'm trying to go on topic here and start the ball rolling again towards positive change. You guys have to set your hatred for me aside and help in this effort. Let's move forward. Please. |
Jasdemi
Caldari Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.07.16 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
Hmm. I'm trying to go on topic here and start the ball rolling again towards positive change. You guys have to set your hatred for me aside and help in this effort. Let's move forward. Please.
We gave you several chances already, but you derailing this thread. It's not 100% your fault, you're just a little bit more sensible to opposite opinions. I don't blame you for this, though.
I vote to just close this thread and move on.
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Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.16 18:30:00 -
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*looks at the dead horse.
I would have thought this thread would have taken the winds out of the anti-learning crusade...
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.16 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Originally by: Pantload
Hmm. I'm trying to go on topic here and start the ball rolling again towards positive change. You guys have to set your hatred for me aside and help in this effort. Let's move forward. Please.
We gave you several chances already, but you derailing this thread. It's not 100% your fault, you're just a little bit more sensible to opposite opinions. I don't blame you for this, though.
I vote to just close this thread and move on.
You...
Gave me several chances already...
not 100% my fault...
you don't blame me...
what? what?! WHAT?!
Did you not have any personal responsibility in the way this played out so far?
I agree that I am more sensible to opposite opinions, but I'm sure that's not exactly what you meant was it?
We can't just close this thread and move on. You and the others will pop up elsewhere and continue this. It's like playing a damn game of Whack-A-Mole.
Doesn't matter any more. I'm done. You guys butcher the **** out of the game however you see fit. Justify it in any way necessary. In the words of Eric Cartman: "Screw you guys. I'm going home."
TUG: The Underpants Gnomes.
Buy Corps here
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Jasdemi
Caldari Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.07.16 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
To Jeleka and Jasdemi: thanks for being such an insufferable pair of fools. It has given me a renewed vigor on this subject.
Originally by: Pantload
Doesn't matter any more. I'm done. You guys butcher the **** out of the game however you see fit. Justify it in any way necessary. In the words of Eric Cartman: "Screw you guys. I'm going home."
You're bluffing.
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:09:00 -
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I think the quote I gave says it all really. I realized that in order for me to continue here, I'd have to be able to look at myself in the mirror and say: "Yes. You are the biggest ****ing idiot here." That's clearly not true as you guys have me way out classed on that. So congratulations. You may continue this idiotic fight in my absence.
TUG: The Underpants Gnomes.
Buy Corps here
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.16 21:51:00 -
[681]
Originally by: Guttripper
*looks at the dead horse.
I would have thought this thread would have taken the winds out of the anti-learning crusade...
Trolls don't care...they just troll on.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:21:00 -
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Some of the heated replies in this thread, are one of the main reasons this is such a difficult choice for CCP to make.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Some of the heated replies in this thread, are one of the main reasons this is such a difficult choice for CCP to make.
I doubt it. What this forum lacks are polls. How on earth CCP is ever going to find out what their community wants without the bias of a hard shouting minority?
Anyway I think learning skills will be taken care of .. in 18 months or so ..
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Aganazer
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
How on earth CCP is ever going to find out what their community wants without the bias of a hard shouting minority? How can you say you're listening to your customers if you don't know if it's 10%, 50% or 80% of the playerbase you're listening to while the others may want the opposite?!
It could be that CCP is perfectly happy with the overall rate of skill progression right now. They could remove the learning skills while at the same time make all the other skills take a few percent longer to learn to compensate for the time we would normally spend learning the learning skills. In this hypothetical solution, it would take the exact same amount of time to get top ranked skills. I have a feeling that isn't what most of the anti-learning people really want. I bet that what most of the anti-learning people really want is a shorter path to max out their skills. How could you create a poll that won't attract a greed vote?
How many of you anti-learning people would even care about learning skills if the plan to remove them would not change your net skill learning time?
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.19 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: stoicfaux on 19/07/2010 16:58:09
Originally by: Aganazer
How many of you anti-learning people would even care about learning skills if the plan to remove them would not change your net skill learning time?
Argh! That's not the problem. Let's recap:
Remove Learning Skills Arguments:
* they're not fun because they don't provide any direct benefits (they don't affect fitting, flying, trading, etc.)
* they're boring to train them
* a new character needs to train them sooner than later
* the two free remaps and accelerated training bonus make it even more important/beneficial for a newbie to train learning skills as high as possible for the first month+
* combined with the remaps and training bonus, the learning skills are too front loaded, meaning, that instead of a gradual progression in pain/benefits, the learning skills require a lot of pain immediately followed by huge benefits later.
* because of the previous, the learning skills are newbie unfriendly and make for a bad first impression for new Eve players. (They drive new players away.)
* they make creating alts tedious.
* everyone trains them (because they're "mandatory,) so everyone has them, so why not just start newbies with them?
* CCP stated that the learning skills were a mistake
* Vets don't lose anything: skill points will be refunded
* Vets don't lose an advantage: new characters still can't catch up to vets
* New skills have been added, but the learning rate hasn't increased
Summary: they're not fun, being "forced" to fly a newbie frigate for a month is a stupid way to introduce the game
Don't Give Everyone Learning Skills Arguments:
* people shouldn't get something for nothing
* it would dumb down the game
* the learning skills differentiate characters
* the learning skills separate the wheat from the chaff, aka "if you can't hack the learning skills, you shouldn't be playing Eve"
* you don't have to train them
* you don't have to train them all at once
* I suffered through them, why should newbies get a free pass?
* Eve is hyper-competitive: Why should I surrender an advantage to other people?
* Eve is hyper-competitive: What's in it for me? How does giving everyone the learning skills help me?
* Slippery Slope: What's next? Newbies get Frigate V or Engineering V for free?
Summary: they aren't broken, getting stuff for free bad, Eve is a hard game/this isn't WoW.
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"Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you!
-- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.19 17:21:00 -
[686]
Originally by: stoicfaux
Edited by: stoicfaux on 19/07/2010 16:58:09
Originally by: Aganazer
How many of you anti-learning people would even care about learning skills if the plan to remove them would not change your net skill learning time?
Argh! That's not the problem. Let's recap:
Remove Learning Skills Arguments:
* they're not fun because they don't provide any direct benefits (they don't affect fitting, flying, trading, etc.)
* they're boring to train them
* a new character needs to train them sooner than later
* the two free remaps and accelerated training bonus make it even more important/beneficial for a newbie to train learning skills as high as possible for the first month+
* combined with the remaps and training bonus, the learning skills are too front loaded, meaning, that instead of a gradual progression in pain/benefits, the learning skills require a lot of pain immediately followed by huge benefits later.
* because of the previous, the learning skills are newbie unfriendly and make for a bad first impression for new Eve players. (They drive new players away.)
* they make creating alts tedious.
* everyone trains them (because they're "mandatory,) so everyone has them, so why not just start newbies with them?
* CCP stated that the learning skills were a mistake
* Vets don't lose anything: skill points will be refunded
* Vets don't lose an advantage: new characters still can't catch up to vets
* New skills have been added, but the learning rate hasn't increased
Summary: they're not fun, being "forced" to fly a newbie frigate for a month is a stupid way to introduce the game
Don't Give Everyone Learning Skills Arguments:
* people shouldn't get something for nothing
* it would dumb down the game
* the learning skills differentiate characters
* the learning skills separate the wheat from the chaff, aka "if you can't hack the learning skills, you shouldn't be playing Eve"
* you don't have to train them
* you don't have to train them all at once
* I suffered through them, why should newbies get a free pass?
* Eve is hyper-competitive: Why should I surrender an advantage to other people?
* Eve is hyper-competitive: What's in it for me? How does giving everyone the learning skills help me?
* Slippery Slope: What's next? Newbies get Frigate V or Engineering V for free?
Summary: they aren't broken, getting stuff for free bad, Eve is a hard game/this isn't WoW.
You forgot one, Many people cannot afford the books when they only have played for two weeks or so and are forced to borrow money from a friend or corpmate (not talking about alts here).
The argument is basicly keep learning skills, but don't train them until you have a reasonable source of income first.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.19 17:58:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
You forgot one, Many people cannot afford the books when they only have played for two weeks or so and are forced to borrow money from a friend or corpmate (not talking about alts here).
Good catch, I've updated the list.
Quote:
The argument is basicly keep learning skills, but don't train them until you have a reasonable source of income first.
In a previous somewhere in the thread I pointed out that it's a better idea to create a throwaway character specialized in making isk, to stop training that character, start a new character (on the same account) and train the learning skills until the character surpasses the skills of the throwaway character.
That way you can fly something other than the newbie frigate and it only takes a few months for the new character to surpass the throwaway character in skills.
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"Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you!
-- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Jasdemi
Caldari Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:58:00 -
[688]
Originally by: stoicfaux
Summary: they aren't broken, getting stuff for free bad, Eve is a HARD game/this isn't WoW.
I love the HARD part in EVE, but what's HARD with learnings? You just have to create an account and login every few days to update your queue.
Annoying? Yes. HARD? No.
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Aganazer
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:28:00 -
[689]
Originally by: stoicfaux
Edited by: stoicfaux on 19/07/2010 17:54:04
Let's recap:
Remove Learning Skills Arguments:
* they're not fun because they don't provide any direct benefits (they don't affect fitting, flying, trading, etc.)
* they're boring to train them
* a new character needs to train them sooner than later
* the two free remaps and accelerated training bonus make it even more important/beneficial for a newbie to train learning skills as high as possible for the first month+
* combined with the remaps and training bonus, the learning skills are too front loaded, meaning, that instead of a gradual progression in pain/benefits, the learning skills require a lot of pain immediately followed by huge benefits later.
* because of the previous, the learning skills are newbie unfriendly and make for a bad first impression for new Eve players. (They drive new players away.)
* they make creating alts tedious.
* everyone trains them (because they're "mandatory,) so everyone has them, so why not just start newbies with them?
* CCP stated that the learning skills were a mistake
* Vets don't lose anything: skill points will be refunded
* Vets don't lose an advantage: new characters still can't catch up to vets
* New skills have been added, but the learning rate hasn't increased
* The Advanced Learning skillbooks cost five million apiece which is prohibitive for most new players. That five million could be better spend on fun stuff (ships, modules, trading, skillbooks for "real" skills, etc..)
* It's better to create a throwaway character to create a specialized mission runner in order to generate the money for Advanced learning skill books to train the learning skills on a second character (on the same account) for a month until the new character surpasses the throwaway character, which is a "stupid" game design.
Summary: they're not fun, being "forced" to fly a newbie frigate for a month is a stupid way to introduce the game
Don't Give Everyone Learning Skills Arguments:
* people shouldn't get something for nothing
* it would dumb down the game
* the learning skills differentiate characters
* the learning skills separate the wheat from the chaff, aka "if you can't hack the learning skills, you shouldn't be playing Eve"
* you don't have to train them
* you don't have to train them all at once
* I suffered through them, why should newbies get a free pass?
* Eve is hyper-competitive: Why should I surrender an advantage to other people?
* Eve is hyper-competitive: What's in it for me? How does giving everyone the learning skills help me?
* Slippery Slope: What's next? Newbies get Frigate V or Engineering V for free?
* Advanced learning skillbooks are expensive, it's not like a new player afford to train the Advanced learning skills for the first month of life, which means that CCP doesn't expect you to spend your first month+ training the learning skills..
Summary: they aren't broken, getting stuff for free bad, Eve is a hard game/this isn't WoW.
Thanks for getting me up to speed on the debate. As much as some people might insist otherwise, I DID start this game just 17 days ago. There may be some misconceptions about how hard it is to be a newbie. I have played casually for 17 days so far. I have managed to buy all but two of the Advanced Learning Books. I have also moved into a cruiser and have enough standing to start level 2 missions.
You could probably add my reason to the "Don't Give Everyone Learning Skills Arguments:" list. Basically I liked having some safe skills to train up while I was figuring out what skills might be important to me. It was a bit overwhelming trying to figure out what all the skills do, but I knew that learning skills were a safe investment while I figure out the rest. |
Aganazer
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Posted - 2010.07.19 19:36:00 -
[690]
Originally by: Jasdemi
Originally by: stoicfaux
Summary: they aren't broken, getting stuff for free bad, Eve is a HARD game/this isn't WoW.
I love the HARD part in EVE, but what's HARD with learnings? You just have to create an account and login every few days to update your queue.
Annoying? Yes. HARD? No.
Using that logic they may as well remove all skills from the game. I mean, what's hard about learning Engineering V?
I think stoicfaux's meaning is that its hard to wait around as a skilless newbie as opposed to immediate gratification. |
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