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Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:35:00 - [61] Originally by: chrisss0r "haha, morons, there is nothing they can do" Haha, i miss those days so much. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:44:00 - [62] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: One thing to consider, you should really only be comparing the Dramiel to the other 3 pirate faction frigates as that whole group is designed to be superior to all other frigates... including interceptors and assault frigates. This is intended Where did CCP write that? Linky? Are them also designed to be superior to the empire faction frigs? I'm far too lazy to dig up a link but I will confirm that the order of things for frigs accourding to ccp is t1<empire<t2<pirate. I think they forgot that the worm is a pirate frig though. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:51:00 - [63] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Where did CCP write that? Linky? Are them also designed to be superior to the empire faction frigs? Da Blog Basically boils downs to: T1 ≤ Navy ≤ T2 ≤ Pirate. The FoTM jockeys who actually read the blog for some reason interpret "on par or slightly above" as "Overpowered by design" .. I blame their obviously sub-par English skills
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:05:00 - [64] Quote: Da Blog Took a whopping 3s to find with Google, out lord and master (searched for "eve faction ship blog" sans quotes). Thank you, it has been good to me to spare those 3 seconds. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Atropos Kahn Caldari Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:12:00 - [65] Sandbox manipulation is what keeps EVE interesting... boost one ship, nerf another, boost one mod, nerf another, tweak this setting, tweak that setting... with the sole purpose of facilitating fluctuations in resource allocation methodologies which inevitably motivates all player activity. In other words... Your stuff is now good, so I want it. I will have to shoot you to get it.
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:12:00 - [66] first they came for the nos, i did not speak up. because i flew caldari then they came for the nano, i did not speak up because i had crosstrained amarr then they came for the ecm, i did not speak up because i had crosstrained minmattar then they came for the dramiel, by that time there was nothing left to train Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:46:00 - [67] Another Drama-iel thread. 1. If they don't want to fight you, there is literally nothing you can do about it. 2. Tackling them is not the problem. KEEPING them tackled IS. How do you pin down a ship capable of hitting 2.5km/s with an afterburner (Snakes and faction AB gets you 3.5km/s...) without using a mental fit on a ship with tons of meds for webs (which any decent frigate pilot will smell a mile away)? 3. Assuming you've fitted a frigate up for catching it and keeping it there, you then need to have both the firepower and buffer to outfight the damn thing. I fly a Dramiel because I know I have complete control over what happens. When I choose to engage, it's because I am going to win and there are very, very few things that even remotely bother me while flying it. The sentinel seems the logical choice but then you come up against point 1: how are you going to catch the Dram in a ship that has barely half the speed? Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Sprilk	Posted - 2010.03.26 23:23:00 - [68] Originally by: xXSolarisXx Edited by: xXSolarisXx on 25/03/2010 13:45:32 nerfing Dramiel = another step to nurfing fun in eve! P.S tranais 14 mil in jita dramiel 70mil now what u think the taranis(or any other inty)should be equal to the dramiel? P.S 2 i dont really mind if all the inty pilots start flying dramiels(if the can afford it) can be a lot of fun in 1vs1 fights lol, your p.s 2 just proved the dramil needs a nerf... if the best way to make eve more fun is if every single person flys a dramiel then we know its broken as it makes every other ship not fun anymore. things need to have a sense of balance, as well as be different. otherwise why even have fittings on a ship just give everyone a prefit dramiel because everything else now is pointless. it has no weakness and is overloaded with strenghts.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.27 05:08:00 - [69] Originally by: Stuart Price 3. Assuming you've fitted a frigate up for catching it and keeping it there, you then need to have both the firepower and buffer to outfight the damn thing. I fly a Dramiel because I know I have complete control over what happens. When I choose to engage, it's because I am going to win and there are very, very few things that even remotely bother me while flying it. The sentinel seems the logical choice but then you come up against point 1: how are you going to catch the Dram in a ship that has barely half the speed? This must be why dram pilots warp out when my bog standard omni fit jag shows up. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
inVictu5 Globo Gym Purple Cobras	Posted - 2010.03.27 05:39:00 - [70] the answers simple... faction destroyers. t2 dessies arnt worth a **. t2 frigs are clunky. faction frigs were so 2005. Here at Globo Gym were better than you! And we know it**

Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2010.03.27 06:39:00 - [71] Edited by: Estephania on 27/03/2010 06:40:27 When in order to kill some ship you'll need either a blob, flying the same ship or a ship specifically designed to kill said ship but absolutely worthless for anything else, this ship is overpowered. Speed is more important than DPS or tank because speed allows you to engage and disengage on YOUR terms. Historically all speed perversions were nerfed because CCP understands it too. Battleships and HACs flying faster than ceptors were hit with a nerfbat. Dramiel will surely be the next. P.S. And I'd like to see faction destroyers and battlecruisers. That would be awesome :)
TheGunslinger42	Posted - 2010.03.27 06:56:00 - [72] Dramiel would be fine if interceptors got a bit of a boost to put them at the same or greater speed.
Aristeia Cersei	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:14:00 - [73] Originally by: TheGunslinger42 Dramiel would be fine if interceptors got a bit of a boost to put them at the same or greater speed. Something is wrong with your logic, when to fix an issue with one ship, a whole class of other ships require a buff.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:17:00 - [74] Originally by: Zeba This must be why dram pilots warp out when my bog standard omni fit jag shows up. The Jaguar is awesome, it is the template for how the rest of the AFs should be. Enough slots to allow mixing it up, excellent tank, decent damage .. a nasty little frigate. Dramiel can not chew through the dual-extender tank before dying and if its the web/AB fit it almost auto-wins against Dramiels, I would run too Originally by: TheGunslinger42 Dramiel would be fine if interceptors got a bit of a boost to put them at the same or greater speed. I have read this a lot recently but don't see what it is meant to accomplish. Regular tackling doesn't need a boost and it won't help counter Dramiel's .. sure you can get there and tackle, but how to you plan on staying alive long enough for it to matter? Plate Claw might survive, but then you'd have to assume that it will be significantly slower with plate (unless you double speed or more which hurts game more than Dramiel currently does). Originally by: inVictu5 the answers simple... faction destroyers. t2 dessies arnt worth a ****. t2 frigs are clunky. faction frigs were so 2005. Faction Destroyers would indeed solve a lot of problems if the power discrepancy that currently exists in Dessie class (Thrasher >> All) is avoided. Wouldn't make sense to create just for Dramiel's though, if/when the AFs finally get their overhaul then you have a good reason for near-cruiser performing Destroyers. Faction BC's .. as long as they don't just represent the tired old tank/gank I am all for it. The most interesting ships CCP have made the past few years are the T2 BS and EAS .. they offer variety and options to the gank/tank of everything else, faction BCs should be same out-of-box thinking.
small chimp	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:43:00 - [75] what is the point in all of these whines? Ofc pirate frigs should be superrior to other frigs? How much do they cost? How about taranis?
inVictu5 Globo Gym Purple Cobras	Posted - 2010.03.27 13:55:00 - [76] well, I lost a moa to a dram, thats understandable. I lost a cormy, thats understandable. But when I go toe to toe for 10 minutes in a retribution (within range) and have to disengage due to my cap finally running out. Thats just ****ed. Here at Globo Gym were better than you! And we know it**
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.27 17:55:00 - [77] Originally by: inVictu5 well, I lost a moa to a dram, thats understandable. I lost a cormy, thats understandable. But when I go toe to toe for 10 minutes in a retribution (within range) and have to disengage due to my cap finally running out. Thats just ****ed. Hrmm, lets looks at ccp's official stance on the order of frigates again. t1<empire<t2<pirate. Yup I'd say that was understandable too. What you need to complain about is the retri's lack of mid slot for tackle and not the dram's top dog spot on the entire list. Besides if the dram is nerfed in any way people will just start flying the daredevil and face raep everything with it generating a new series of whinge threads. Plus people need to figure out that the raildevil in an evil evil little machine that can eat drams for lunch provided the dram pilot decides to fight and not run away like the usually do. Originally by:** CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Bud Johnson Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.03.27 18:34:00 - [78] t1<empire<t2<pirate<dramiel
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.27 18:57:00 - [79] Originally by: Bud Johnson pirate<dramiel Fixed as t2 and below do not come into this discussion about if anything is actually op about the dram. But seriously if ccp wants to impress me on the issue then they need to take a hard second look at the other pirate frigs especially the worm. If the worm got at least a damage bonuse for its drones instead of that useless rocket bonus it would go a long way to balancing out the huge discrepency in performance in the pirate frig class. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.03.29 00:28:00 - [80] i have been aroudn since the start of the game , and all balances by ccp, in longer period of times , were tottaly right and balanced the game. I think inties are fine atm , and the dramiel is overpowered.And very good it will et inline with other faction frigs.Faction frigs could be a bit better then inties but not like dramiel. To the op :uber powered nanoships were bad in past.CCP didnt kill nanoships , nanoships are still being used all around , just in less extreme form , and reaching 1500-2000 m/s by t2 cruisers.Still a tactic very common.Just not the i win button anymore. - Killing Eve bullies all over the galaxy hunting stories

Baillif Red Mist Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.29 01:55:00 - [81] Fair and balanced gameplay? THAT'S NOT WHY I PLAY THIS GAME!!!!!
Kate Machine	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Earthan uber powered nanoships were bad in past. They were great, you, bunghole!
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:51:00 - [83] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: inVictu5 well, I lost a moa to a dram, thats understandable. I lost a cormy, thats understandable. But when I go toe to toe for 10 minutes in a retribution (within range) and have to disengage due to my cap finally running out. Thats just ******ed. Hrmm, lets looks at ccp's official stance on the order of frigates again. t1<empire<t2<pirate. Yup I'd say that was understandable too. What you need to complain about is the retri's lack of mid slot for tackle and not the dram's top dog spot on the entire list. Besides if the dram is nerfed in any way people will just start flying the daredevil and face raep everything with it generating a new series of whinge threads. Plus people need to figure out that the raildevil in an evil evil little machine that can eat drams for lunch provided the dram pilot decides to fight and not run away like the usually do. So your saying every single frigate class should run (which they can't) when they see a dramiel?
inVictu5 Globo Gym Purple Cobras	Posted - 2010.03.29 21:55:00 - [84] this is what it has come down too. Linkage Here at Globo Gym were better than you! And we know it
lookatzebirdie	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:33:00 - [85] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 25/03/2010 15:21:46 Assuming a situation where you have the money and skills to fly any frigate: Justify flying anything but a Dramiel. Really, try it. That's why it needs a nerf. Also: Quote: Unfortunately having a ship that surpasses all else does lead to a Rock -> Rock -> Rock situation as people start to fly only... that Rock Wink Basically this. When one of X needs either more of X or overwhelming force to beat, something is wrong. Pre nerfs: Main nanoship counter: more nanoships Main ECM counter: more ECM, or a custom fitted sniper battleship. well, daredevil or comet actually. but i see ur point. the dram is now so ubiquitous (even tho those 2 frigs are equally good IMHO) that something needs to give, it's just too damned boring at the moment.
Ephemeron Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:42:00 - [86] Quote: Unfortunately having a ship that surpasses all else does lead to a Rock -> Rock -> Rock situation as people start to fly only... that Rock Wink That point is valid only if the ships are free. If the resources are limited and the costs are prohibitively high, it doesn't end up the only used ship. When 1 ship costs significantly more than the others, then people in cheaper ships can gang up to kill the expensive ship, and in the end bankrupt the enemy. Right now Dram is cheap compared to its power. But it's possible to find a good price of the power
Ephemeron Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:48:00 - [87] Justify flying anything but a Dramiel. Really, try it.It costs too much - how about that just for starters? Go to Jita, convo every pilot you see who's NOT flying a Dramiel, and ask them how do they justify not flying one? ask at least 100 people, let us know what the real reasons are.
Zahira Wrath	Posted - 2010.03.30 00:48:00 - [88] Originally by: inVictu5 this is what it has come down too. Linkage Wow that's crazy. Definitly a sign that something isent right balance wise. (diversity and fun my ass, its now "those with dramiels" vs. "those without")
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.30 03:21:00 - [89] Originally by: Zahira Wrath Originally by: inVictu5 this is what it has come down too. Linkage Wow that's crazy. Definitly a sign that something isent right balance wise. (diversity and fun my ass, its now "those with dramiels" vs. "those without") Hrmmm, lets disect this killmail for what it really is. Random ship gets tackled by a rapier and it just so happens that the majority of the gang is in drams which go on the kill the cormy which by all rights the rapier could have done on its own with just 5 terribad skilled t1 light amarr drones which are the worst drones in the game. So by this logic if all the other ships on the killmail had been noobships then noobships would be op and zomg need to be nerfed? L U L Z . . The forums provide so much entertainment its just silly at times and it makes me want to send ccp extra monies each month for the pleasure all the morons who poast such drivel give me. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.03.30 04:18:00 - [90] Originally by: Verone Originally by: xXSolarisXx P.S tranais 14 mil in jita dramiel 70mil now what u think the taranis(or any other inty)should be equal to the dramiel? You obviously don't have the first clue about how the market works. The Taranis is so cheap now because demand is so low and people are trying to sell them. Demand is so low because every man and his dog is flying the Dramiel because it's been boosted to hell to be a solo frigate pwn mobile in recent patches. The only reason the Dramiel has spiked in price so much is the exact opposite to the Taranis, demand is high so sellers are pushing up the prices to cut a higher margin. Please get a clue before you post. Not to mention that absolutely nobody has ever argued that taranis and dramiel should be "equal". Two totally classic absolutely terrible arguments rolled into a single P.S. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus



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