Are you folks mentally ill? You know how long people have waited for somewhat workable active tanking modules to appear?

Go blob somewhere else. Enough brick tanks with only F1 and F2 to press.

Also ships that fit 2 make enough sacrifices already.

Are you folks mentally ill? You know how long people have waited for somewhat workable active tanking modules to appear?

Go blob somewhere else. Enough brick tanks with only F1 and F2 to press.

Also ships that fit 2 make enough sacrifices already.

A ship that fits 2 makes sacrices? Like what for example? I guess its a huge sacrifice to get a 4100 dps tank and still get 1000 dps.
If you have ever active tanked a regular booster it's wway more than hitting F1 F2 . Infact the 2 ASB is more just F1 than anything else.

A ship that fits 2 makes sacrices? Like what for example? I guess its a huge sacrifice to get a 4100 dps tank and still get 1000 dps.
If you have ever active tanked a regular booster it's wway more than hitting F1 F2 . Infact the 2 ASB is more just F1 than anything else.

Please share your fit for 4100DPS with 1000 DPS outbound. Is it a Rattlesnake? If so, I should fit mine up and go solo EVE.

Are you folks mentally ill? You know how long people have waited for somewhat workable active tanking modules to appear?

Go blob somewhere else. Enough brick tanks with only F1 and F2 to press.

Also ships that fit 2 make enough sacrifices already.

lol no its not a rattlesnake, ive seen the fit and its easy to fit and not anywhere near expensive. Try any shield ship...

Thread about demands of restrictions and limitations in a sandbox game.

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I'm not agreeing with OP, but...

Posters who throw the buzz-word 'sandbox' around when someone says something they don't like, whilst not truly understanding what it means for the game to be a sandbox.

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Whats the matter .........cant your blob kill a solo BS anymore??

Its the best module to hit Eve for years !!!!

Yeah, stating that someone playing since 2007 doesn't know anything about sandbox and all makes you a great addition to that topic
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The modules are fine if you ask me. If a ship has a 4100 dps tank running thanks to them, then all you have to do is survive for 30-45 seconds and he's completely paper-thin because he won't even have a buffer as he reloads. And like others have said, I'd like to see the fit that can do that while also doing everything else expected of it, you know, moving, tackling, shooting, doing more than being bait for a short while then dying horribly.

As for the charges, the only reason they seem weird to you people is because you're thinking about them backwards. You're thinking "this module is designed for 800s, but accepts 400s at no penalty". If we assume they actually did some amount of testing or planning (I know, it's a bit of a leap, but hear me out ) we can look at it the other way around, the x-large ASB is designed to run off of 400s/navy 400s, but it also accepts 800s just for a slight bit more added flexibility. Besides, the people I've seen asking for the cap boosters to be "fixed' have been invariably suggesting the smaller charge giving less boost and the larger giving the current boost, you know, massively nerfing the module by making it run way less per reload cycle and less overall and likely rendering it completely obsolete in the face of buffers.

Something I would like to see is a direct counter to ASBs, my initial idea is a script for neuts that replaces capacitor drain with a decrease in boosting strength of the ASBs. It could even be designed such that larger cap charges receive less of a decrease than smaller ones, so you have more reason to run an x-large with 800s, or a medium with 200s, or whatever.

I like how there was total silence on this 'problem' until the ATX commentators gushed about the things.

Something I would like to see is a direct counter to ASBs, my initial idea is a script for neuts that replaces capacitor drain with a decrease in boosting strength of the ASBs. It could even be designed such that larger cap charges receive less of a decrease than smaller ones, so you have more reason to run an x-large with 800s, or a medium with 200s, or whatever.

A counter to this module is standard active tank or logi. But standard active tank is not powerful enough, it need a buff to be in line with ASB.

Please allow only ONE to a ship and change the boost ammount according to cap. booster charge SIZE. or only allow one size.
Thx, feedback welcome. blah.

If you can't adapt you should just walk away.

Oh, sorry, I forgotr this was Eve: whine in the Forums and petition the unfairness of not being able to kill an opponent! Nerf it! NERF IT!!!

Oh hi I'm back again (for a while, anyway).

The new ancilliary boosters seem quite sweet for shield-bonused ships, esp. using crystals/pills. 60 seconds of essentially not receiving damage from a single ship (or even two less ganky ships) is quite damn powerful, and probably enough to make many ships win pointblank even vs slaved buffer-fits. At least, i can see a ancilliary-boosted Cyclone killing a slaved Hurricane (pills might be required, or not).

That said, it again missed the point when it comes to tanking and solo/small gang use. Instead of making active tanking modules take less slots and have less fitting requirements and cap consumption to make them comparable to buffer tanks when it comes to DPS (and speed, regarding armour rigs), they made a improved shield tank fueled directly off cap boosters.

The main problem of active tanks for solo / small gang stuff was not that the amount of tanked vs ehp lost is so low. Even a dual-MAR BC tank which tanks 350 ehp/s or so is not that bad in actual tanking ability, it beats the 3-slot (+3 rig slot) plate fit in survivability when taking less than 800 DPS (comparing two Hurricanes). If all other parameters were equal, I would often opt for an active tank, especially for solo work.

The problem is however very simple, the 3-slot tank takes 3 lowslots, and the dual-MAR takes 5 lowslots and a midslot, and ends up eating more PG and CPU, so you lose two gyrostabs and have to use smaller guns, resulting in a massive DPS loss. It is also equally slow, since trimark rigs have the same penalties as repair rigs. The huge DPS loss just makes it pointless to use the active tank, not the loss in survivability.

Boosting tanking outright is hardly helpful to the solo PVP-er; soloers (and small gangs, where a small gang is 2-5 people at most, not 50 BS) always benefited from DPS and the ability to quickly kill their targets.

The reason is simple, the sooner you can kill the other ship(s), the smaller the chance of the greatest counter to any solo ship appearing - namely, the other guy's gang/blob (or falcon alt), and the easier it is to exploit the mistakes others make, like bad positioning, gang/blob arriving piecemeal, etcetera.

Now off to actually install EVE and shoot someone, enough moaning from an oldtimer :)

What other module uses cap boosters?

What if 50s isn't enough to run your other cap-hungry mods you need to run, are you going to split your cargo, which is already strained between ammo and 50s for your MASB?

But regardless of whether you want to believe fitting might be the motive, why is it an "i win" button? It wouldn't be if they hadn't allowed 800s in the x-large at all, you wouldn't even have that complaint, only general whining about the module itself, it really is a moot argument. You said it yourself "nobody uses 800s", so why argue the balance of the module around them?

Actually I'm asking for "balance", witch seems to bother. After all I use those too and therefore should say "hey ccp boost ASB they're so weak..." ?
No, this module is quite ok until you fit more than one and have support for charges, you don't need skill to kill stuff, you need to make it run as much as possible and keep target at guns range. WOOOOOOOW
Again, I like my XL ASB Talos, it's not OP at all, no no....

Actually I'm asking for "balance", witch seems to bother. After all I use those too and therefore should say "hey ccp boost ASB they're so weak..." ?
No, this module is quite ok until you fit more than one and have support for charges, you don't need skill to kill stuff, you need to make it run as much as possible and keep target at guns range. WOOOOOOOW
Again, I like my XL ASB Talos, it's not OP at all, no no....

Mind sharing your xlasb talos setup? Because a pair of XLSBs on a talos uses 400 of its 450 base CPU, and 1k of its 1375 powergrid.

As for the balancing itself, tbh I'd like to see them brought to the same level of boosting as regular shield boosters, given a 10 second reload time instead of 60, and not usable without cap charges. It'd have them still be viable, but we'd have fewer people whining about them.

As a matter of fact, all active tanking mods should be brought to their level or even beyond that.

PVE would be too easy? *shrugs* - it's 100% foolproof already, so what?

The only annoying thing is that it should have been an armor mod in the first place - shield was better at pvp burst tanking anyway, so active armor tanks would have had more need of it.

Mind sharing your xlasb talos setup? Because a pair of XLSBs on a talos uses 400 of its 450 base CPU, and 1k of its 1375 powergrid.

As for the balancing itself, tbh I'd like to see them brought to the same level of boosting as regular shield boosters, given a 10 second reload time instead of 60, and not usable without cap charges. It'd have them still be viable, but we'd have fewer people whining about them.

Requesting Ancillary Armor Repairer

Requesting Ancillary Armor Repairer

Please allow only ONE to a ship and change the boost ammount according to cap. booster charge SIZE. or only allow one size.
Thx, feedback welcome. blah.

A counter to this module is standard active tank or logi. But standard active tank is not powerful enough, it need a buff to be in line with ASB.

Thx, feedback welcome. blah.

ugggg, this is not wow, lets stop the abusive power creep that will inevitably prevent this poorly balanced game from ever being balanced...

Do we have a corollary to Godwin's Law that instead involves poor comparisons to WoW yet?

yeah, because wow never had ridiculous power creep...(sarcasm) GTFO my post if you don't know what you're talking about please.

Way to take entirely the wrong end of entirely the wrong stick and run with it.

I'll leave this here.

Rokh of Ages: (for low-sec use)

High:
Nuetron Blaster Cannon II x 8
Med:
Prototype 100MN MWD
X-Large Ancillary Booster x 2
Adaptive Invuln II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propusion Inhibitor
Low:
MFS II x 3
TE II
Internal Force Field Array
Rigs:
Processor Overclocking Unit
EM Shield Rig
Thermal Shield Rig

Hammerhead II x 5

1281 DPS tanked with one X-Large A. Booster running. 2509 DPS tanked with both running. Pimped out with damage implants - 1432 DPS with Void (12km optimal + 8.1km falloff) 1068 DPS with Null (22km optimal + 23km falloff) I have about 6 more days before Caldari BS 5 is done. It gets really sick once you add in boosters.

hrrrrr MWD and invuln and cap hungry guns >_<

be careful

It's a BS. It's meant to pulse it's MWD only and I'd probably want some support if I took it for a spin. There is no denying that a ship that spits out 1400 DPS and tanks close to 4500 DPS with the works (crystals, blue pill, tengu booster) is straight out nasty though.

Sweet, a BS MWD w/ no cap injector, that's a great fit you got there.

I'll leave this here.

Rokh of Ages: (for low-sec use)

High:
Nuetron Blaster Cannon II x 8
Med:
Prototype 100MN MWD
X-Large Ancillary Booster x 2
Adaptive Invuln II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propusion Inhibitor
Low:
MFS II x 3
TE II
Internal Force Field Array
Rigs:
Processor Overclocking Unit
EM Shield Rig
Thermal Shield Rig

Hammerhead II x 5

1281 DPS tanked with one X-Large A. Booster running. 2509 DPS tanked with both running. Pimped out with damage implants - 1432 DPS with Void (12km optimal + 8.1km falloff) 1068 DPS with Null (22km optimal + 23km falloff) I have about 6 more days before Caldari BS 5 is done. It gets really sick once you add in boosters.

It will get tested on SISSI before I spend isk on TQ. Thanks for caring though.

That's still not a particularly impressive ship considering the two best ships in it's class, the Bhaalgorn and the Machariel, or even the Vindicator.

Oh hi I'm back again (for a while, anyway).

The new ancilliary boosters seem quite sweet for shield-bonused ships, esp. using crystals/pills. 60 seconds of essentially not receiving damage from a single ship (or even two less ganky ships) is quite damn powerful, and probably enough to make many ships win pointblank even vs slaved buffer-fits. At least, i can see a ancilliary-boosted Cyclone killing a slaved Hurricane (pills might be required, or not).

That said, it again missed the point when it comes to tanking and solo/small gang use. Instead of making active tanking modules take less slots and have less fitting requirements and cap consumption to make them comparable to buffer tanks when it comes to DPS (and speed, regarding armour rigs), they made a improved shield tank fueled directly off cap boosters.

The main problem of active tanks for solo / small gang stuff was not that the amount of tanked vs ehp lost is so low. Even a dual-MAR BC tank which tanks 350 ehp/s or so is not that bad in actual tanking ability, it beats the 3-slot (+3 rig slot) plate fit in survivability when taking less than 800 DPS (comparing two Hurricanes). If all other parameters were equal, I would often opt for an active tank, especially for solo work.

The problem is however very simple, the 3-slot tank takes 3 lowslots, and the dual-MAR takes 5 lowslots and a midslot, and ends up eating more PG and CPU, so you lose two gyrostabs and have to use smaller guns, resulting in a massive DPS loss. It is also equally slow, since trimark rigs have the same penalties as repair rigs. The huge DPS loss just makes it pointless to use the active tank, not the loss in survivability.

Boosting tanking outright is hardly helpful to the solo PVP-er; soloers (and small gangs, where a small gang is 2-5 people at most, not 50 BS) always benefited from DPS and the ability to quickly kill their targets.

The reason is simple, the sooner you can kill the other ship(s), the smaller the chance of the greatest counter to any solo ship appearing - namely, the other guy's gang/blob (or falcon alt), and the easier it is to exploit the mistakes others make, like bad positioning, gang/blob arriving piecemeal, etcetera.

Now off to actually install EVE and shoot someone, enough moaning from an oldtimer :)

It-¦s as fun as shooting something unbreakable untill it runs out of buffer.

The way the boosters work now is like an hitpoint reservoir, simmilar to an extender. Unless you are in a gank situation you have to grind through the boost cycles and wait for reload. In a way this is like adding an XL-extender.

It has nothing of truely active-type dymanics, where stuff explodes left and right, where your tank might be dependand on whether you move a lot (and thus burn cap) or stand still, where there are alternative ways of winning (via bringing some neuts) and so on. It doesn't even stand close!

BTW, buffing active tank is not power creep ; buffer have been buffed years ago, and active tanking stoped being used since then ; a buff to active tank would only put it in line at the place it deserve.

It's much worse, since increasing tanking values across the board means a ship can no longer break the opponent's tank alone and thus have to bring some backup - that is, a blob.

Remember, the whole point of active tanking is to be better than buffer in low scale engagement at the drawback of being pointless when number rise too much. Standard active tank is only used on ship able to sport a similar tank than the ASB does, that mean on bonused hull. The bonus on these hull should not be what make them viable at active tanking, active tanking should be viable for every ship in low scale engagement and bonused ship should be better for it.

Yeah, stating that someone playing since 2007 doesn't know anything about sandbox and all makes you a great addition to that topic

also this:




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PS : not sure if you are trolling with your 40kehp BS.