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Senghir Amarr Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Senghir on 30/03/2010 18:10:02 Nice section in the latest devblog on realigning insurance with market values for Tyrannis. No more BS that pay for themselves for those suicide gankers then. Maybe you guys should start running missions for your ISK?
Baaldor Igneus Auctorita Here Be Dragons	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Senghir Edited by: Senghir on 30/03/2010 18:10:02 Nice section in the latest devblog on realigning insurance with market values for Tyrannis. No more BS that pay for themselves for those suicide gankers then. Maybe you guys should start running missions for your ISK? It is obviuos that you just don't get it.
Senghir Amarr Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Baaldor Originally by: Senghir Edited by: Senghir on 30/03/2010 18:10:02 Nice section in the latest devblog on realigning insurance with market values for Tyrannis. No more BS that pay for themselves for those suicide gankers then. Maybe you guys should start running missions for your ISK? It is obviuos that you just don't get it. I got it. Watch: "The core principle is you are compensated some of the ISK cost needed to replace your ship. However that payment was based on static ship values decided at the launch of Eve...these supply sources and rates have changed over the years...(which) means you might end up getting more money than is really desired to the extreme of occasionally getting more than the replacement cost of the ship itself making death meaningless and going far beyond the intention of allowing you to pick yourself up again."
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:23:00 - [4] Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 30/03/2010 18:24:12 Thread needs more substance; less carebear OP. BTW Senghir I can and will still salvage your mission wrecks for you. LOL
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Baaldor obviuos captain fovios --- Even though you might disagree with what I say, that doesn't automatically make me a troll.
Senghir Amarr Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Senghir on 30/03/2010 18:33:52 Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 30/03/2010 18:24:12 Thread needs more substance; less carebear OP. BTW Senghir I can and will still salvage your mission wrecks for you. LOL Haha. Well I dont mission much these days, but I've never seen you in my missions, and I always pop the wrecks where there are ninjas about. It's waaaay more fun to get them to zoom over to a wreck, only to then pop it :P Hey, if you're gonna lose the salvage anyway, might as well torment the ninjas in the process Edit - I actually never* salvage O_O so half the time if you just waited til the mission was over, you'd get the wrecks without me popping them :) Or if you asked nicely. See, manners can get you ISK :)
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Senghir It's waaaay more fun to get them to zoom over to a wreck, only to then pop it :P Hey, if you're gonna lose the salvage anyway, might as well torment the ninjas in the process Confirming this is a moast excellent way to collect ninja tears in local, fiery evemails and yellowstone event volcanic eruption private convos where you can't even figure out wtf he is saying past the endless stream of naughty uncomplimentary words about your questionable parentage and sexual orientation. Its especially fun when they follow you to the last room if you an egg them on and let them finally collect aggro then pop them and dock then go make a cuppa as the aggro timer runs out. Delicious. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Senghir Amarr Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2010.03.30 18:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Senghir It's waaaay more fun to get them to zoom over to a wreck, only to then pop it :P Hey, if you're gonna lose the salvage anyway, might as well torment the ninjas in the process Confirming this is a moast excellent way to collect ninja tears in local, fiery evemails and yellowstone event volcanic eruption private convos where you can't even figure out wtf he is saying past the endless stream of naughty uncomplimentary words about your questionable parentage and sexual orientation. Its especially fun when they follow you to the last room if you an egg them on and let them finally collect aggro then pop them and dock then go make a cuppa as the aggro timer runs out. Delicious. I know!!! Tell me about it lol. I have had sooo much angry messages etc. I can't believe it lol. They try to ninja my stuff and then emo rage about it when you give them a kick in the balls for it. But yeah, is fun all the same.
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Senghir Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Senghir It's waaaay more fun to get them to zoom over to a wreck, only to then pop it :P Hey, if you're gonna lose the salvage anyway, might as well torment the ninjas in the process Confirming this is a moast excellent way to collect ninja tears in local, fiery evemails and yellowstone event volcanic eruption private convos where you can't even figure out wtf he is saying past the endless stream of naughty uncomplimentary words about your questionable parentage and sexual orientation. Its especially fun when they follow you to the last room if you an egg them on and let them finally collect aggro then pop them and dock then go make a cuppa as the aggro timer runs out. Delicious. I know!!! Tell me about it lol. I have had sooo much angry messages etc. I can't believe it lol. They try to ninja my stuff and then emo rage about it when you give them a kick in the balls for it. But yeah, is fun all the same. Confirming that CCP thinks that salvage is yours. OHWAI-!!! At any rate, if you missioned in lowsec you wouldn't have that problem. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:20:00 - [10] came expecting pirate tears and left disappointed lol xx
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Senghir Edited by: Senghir on 30/03/2010 18:10:02 Nice section in the latest devblog on realigning insurance with market values for Tyrannis. No more BS that pay for themselves for those suicide gankers then. Maybe you guys should start running missions for your ISK? The stupid will still die to suicide gankers.
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:27:00 - [12] Nah nothing really changes, we will make the simple downgrade from solo ganking hulks with battleships to ganking with 1-3 people in thoraxes or 3-6 people in catalysts or thrashers both alternatives cost next to nothing for most of us. And for ganking haulers the loot drop should more than cover the cost of a battleship/battlecruiser. If anything I anticipate more carebear tears when they wrongly assume that ganking has been nerfed and let their guard down. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:35:00 - [13] Originally by: FunzzeR If anything I anticipate more carebear tears when they wrongly assume that ganking has been nerfed and let their guard down. But will there be more carebear tears than those from your master, Bellum? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails came expecting pirate tears and left disappointed lol xx Should your disappointment become too much to bear you should know that biomassing yourself is an option.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:43:00 - [15] Edited by: Le Skunk on 30/03/2010 19:44:32 Its the supercapital pilot tears you want to be looking for. Currently they get 40% of mineral cost when they pop. Post patch they are looking from anywhere as low as 1% to 10%. Tee Hee Titan cost 50 billion. Pops giving you a nice 500 million. Just enough for an orca to help your mining your way up again. SKUNK (o)
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:43:00 - [16] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: FunzzeR If anything I anticipate more carebear tears when they wrongly assume that ganking has been nerfed and let their guard down. But will there be more carebear tears than those from your master, Bellum? Bellum? My master? I believe you are mistaken. I am a humble servant of the Scottish Fold. HALLOWED ARE THE SCOTTISH FOLD, FOR THEY SHALL REWARD THOSE WHO WALK THE NOBLE PATH AND FOLLOW THE 17 FOLD VIRTUES!! PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.03.30 19:43:00 - [17] The funny thing here is that carebears assume this will stop gankers, or even slow them down, when the proposed changes will have negligible effects on suicide gankers. Remove the artificial floors on mineral prices and they're going to go down, no ifs about it. As it stands, if insurance were, for example, to only cover half the cost of a ship, it would still only cost about 25mil to suicide a geddon, and most people who lose ships to suicide gankers are carrying more than that anyway. Seriously that blog made me lol, because it seems to me that CCP thinks these changes will help miners, when effectively removing the artificial minimum price currently set in place by insurance is going to completely screw them over, mission loot nerf or not. To put it simply: the only people who will be negatively affected by these changes are miners and people who assume that they're less likely to get ganked because of the changes.
Ikserak tai	Posted - 2010.03.30 20:37:00 - [18] The mission loot nerf will resurrect T1 manufacturing as the prices will go up due to the sudden scarcity. All savvy missioners will be stashing their T1 (Meta 0) items in anticipation of this huge market turnaround. Since the majority of forum readers eyes glaze over when reading the word "insurance", this valuable insight is for those few who can look at the future and plan accordingly. YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED.
AvatarADV	Posted - 2010.03.30 21:57:00 - [19] The thing is... The insurance price floor was also, in effect, a -ship- price floor. The equilibrium price of ships could never drop below the expected insurance payout value (because if it did, people would buy ships and blow them up until the price rose again). That's what resulted in a mineral price floor in the first place, after all - the value of a basket of minerals could not drop to an equilibrium price below what is needed to build a ship and destroy it for the insurance payout. If we have insurance pegged to the mineral market, and the price of minerals drop... the price of ships can drop too. So the conversion to free-floating insurance values won't really change the situation for inexpensive, small T1 ships, except that they'll be even cheaper. The real change is going to be the monkeying with the expected payout value by ship class. Saying "we're going to encourage people to fly the smaller ship classes with a higher insurance payout" can easily be taken to mean "battleship insurance payouts are getting a nerf bat". Which means that even less-expensive battleships aren't going to be suitable for suicide ganking, except as an occasional what-the-hell from a filthy-rich veteran. (And yes, you CAN gank in things smaller than battleships... but they have significantly less alpha strike potential, meaning that Jita-ganking is going to get a lot tougher. And replacing one battleship ganker with a few BC gankers will still result in fewer total ganks, because each ganker will take the sec status hit for every gank...) The other question is going to be what the loot distribution changes will do to the T1 market. TONS of new opportunities for manufacturing and marketing T1 loot...
Mistress Darkside	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Mistress Darkside on 30/03/2010 22:03:23 Originally by: Senghir Edited by: Senghir on 30/03/2010 18:10:02 Nice section in the latest devblog on realigning insurance with market values for Tyrannis. No more BS that pay for themselves for those suicide gankers then. Maybe you guys should start running missions for your ISK? You are under the illusion we do this because its cheap, we dont! We do it for the lulz and the corpses. The insurance nerf aint gonna make that much of a difference to a lot of us
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:20:00 - [21] It's not going to affect suiciding. I'm sure I'm not the only one that buys a bpc then makes the gank ship(s), which gets me free money, since I don't pay for the minerals. Even with reduced minerals from reprocessing it will still be economically viable to suicide. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Barakkus It's not going to affect suiciding. I'm sure I'm not the only one that buys a bpc then makes the gank ship(s), which gets me free money, since I don't pay for the minerals. Even with reduced minerals from reprocessing it will still be economically viable to suicide. Something what I wasn't expecting in this thread, somebody who thinks minerals they mine are free!
Daemonspirit Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Boltorano Originally by: Barakkus It's not going to affect suiciding. I'm sure I'm not the only one that buys a bpc then makes the gank ship(s), which gets me free money, since I don't pay for the minerals. Even with reduced minerals from reprocessing it will still be economically viable to suicide. Something what I wasn't expecting in this thread, somebody who thinks minerals they mine are free! Something that I wasn't expecting in this thread... Someone else who thinks opportunity cost in a game matters... Clue: Opportunity cost doesn't count, because its a game... I.E.: If I get X2 amount of minerals from missioning w/a bunch of friends, I've had fun with the friends, made bounties, mission rewards and have loot to reprocess... Fun > Opportunity cost = free minerals. This is why people sell minerals/mods for less than market value, because not everyone takes the market seriously, and figures that the fun had doing things with friends in a game is the whole point... ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Sir Substance Minmatar Mad 4 Gaming OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:59:00 - [24] Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 30/03/2010 18:24:12 Thread needs more substance; less carebear OP. You rang? ------ I, for one, welcome our new console overlords! lets pop that *****! get your piece of the luminare titan here
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Boltorano Originally by: Barakkus It's not going to affect suiciding. I'm sure I'm not the only one that buys a bpc then makes the gank ship(s), which gets me free money, since I don't pay for the minerals. Even with reduced minerals from reprocessing it will still be economically viable to suicide. Something what I wasn't expecting in this thread, somebody who thinks minerals they mine are free! To me they are free because the time getting the materials holds no value for me. I don't generally mine for them, I actually make money as I'm getting them from other sources than asteroids. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here came expecting pirate tears and left disappointed lol xx FYP
Eric Policky	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Daemonspirit Originally by: Boltorano Originally by: Barakkus It's not going to affect suiciding. I'm sure I'm not the only one that buys a bpc then makes the gank ship(s), which gets me free money, since I don't pay for the minerals. Even with reduced minerals from reprocessing it will still be economically viable to suicide. Something what I wasn't expecting in this thread, somebody who thinks minerals they mine are free! Something that I wasn't expecting in this thread... Someone else who thinks opportunity cost in a game matters... Clue: Opportunity cost doesn't count, because its a game... I.E.: If I get X2 amount of minerals from missioning w/a bunch of friends, I've had fun with the friends, made bounties, mission rewards and have loot to reprocess... Fun > Opportunity cost = free minerals. This is why people sell minerals/mods for less than market value, because not everyone takes the market seriously, and figures that the fun had doing things with friends in a game is the whole point... Who cares about opportunity cost? The point is, if you are going to mine the minerals, then build the ship thinking the ship is now free... You are better off mining the minerals, selling the minerals and buying the ship (reducing manufacturing time to essentially 0) then continuing on as normal. I'm not sure why this guy would bother building the ships, though I understand mining yourself to avoid needing to have and/or spend the startup capital to buy the ship outright.
AvatarADV	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Boltorano Originally by: Barakkus It's not going to affect suiciding. I'm sure I'm not the only one that buys a bpc then makes the gank ship(s), which gets me free money, since I don't pay for the minerals. Even with reduced minerals from reprocessing it will still be economically viable to suicide. Something what I wasn't expecting in this thread, somebody who thinks minerals they mine are free! To me they are free because the time getting the materials holds no value for me. I don't generally mine for them, I actually make money as I'm getting them from other sources than asteroids. Did you not read the part of the dev blog where they noted changes to mission drops and drone compounds?
Aerilis Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.31 00:02:00 - [29] I love how everything thinks they know exactly what will happen. That includes people who are saying HURRAY NO MOAR PIWATES SUICIDE GANKING MA HULKS!!!!ONEONE, and those who are saying LOL STFU NOOB DONT U KNOW TEH MARKETS IT WONT CHANGE ANYTHING!!! LOLOLOL!!ONE. Truth is, nobody knows the real, true price of minerals (besides maybe Akita). So you don't know which one of these outcomes will happen. Stop being dumb. The dev blog was a bit ambiguous, but I think t1 ship insurance will pay out 100% of market value. Assuming insurance still costs 30% of base (or market in this case) cost, the era of free ships are over. ------------------------------ [WTS] Dominix Navy Issues - 500M
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.31 00:04:00 - [30] Originally by: AvatarADV Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Boltorano Originally by: Barakkus It's not going to affect suiciding. I'm sure I'm not the only one that buys a bpc then makes the gank ship(s), which gets me free money, since I don't pay for the minerals. Even with reduced minerals from reprocessing it will still be economically viable to suicide. Something what I wasn't expecting in this thread, somebody who thinks minerals they mine are free! To me they are free because the time getting the materials holds no value for me. I don't generally mine for them, I actually make money as I'm getting them from other sources than asteroids. Did you not read the part of the dev blog where they noted changes to mission drops and drone compounds? Yes I did, and I mentioned that it wouldn't really affect me much. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.

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