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Sabastian Kane	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:43:00 - [31] Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot... Thanks PS: Containers do cause lag! No not the containers themselves since they are drawn from your hard drive. What causes lag is the information being sent from the CCP servers to your computer informing you of whats in those containers. Its easier to send that info on asteroids because its a set number. The roid is rendered on your HD and a number quantity is placed on it. HOWEVER, with cans the information on the contents, and each item's attributes in the can must be sent to your computer at the time you warp in. THIS CAUSES LAG! I am sorry someone has been lieing to you and declaring you guys are not exploiting, but the fact is YOU ARE EXPLOITING. MOo is the cheesiest damn thing since Cheddar was invented!
Sabastian Kane	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:43:00 - [32] Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot... Thanks PS: Containers do cause lag! No not the containers themselves since they are drawn from your hard drive. What causes lag is the information being sent from the CCP servers to your computer informing you of whats in those containers. Its easier to send that info on asteroids because its a set number. The roid is rendered on your HD and a number quantity is placed on it. HOWEVER, with cans the information on the contents, and each item's attributes in the can must be sent to your computer at the time you warp in. THIS CAUSES LAG! I am sorry someone has been lieing to you and declaring you guys are not exploiting, but the fact is YOU ARE EXPLOITING. MOo is the cheesiest damn thing since Cheddar was invented!
Axelay	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:45:00 - [33] After EoE merged with m0o one of our members engaged in a cat-n-mouse game with a very rude victim. One which didn't seem to think dying was his duty. Our member, on a hunch, invited him to a gang and the guy accepted. Our member warped to his location and podded him. This was so funny that we all had to try it. This lasted maybe 2-3 days before everyone that plays the game caught on, at which point we stopped because no-one was accepting any longer. Im not sure what you mean by 'station hanging' but I assume you are referring to waiting outside of stations for people, and I fail to see how that is even remotely upsetting to anyone who has played the game. Many people have certainly 'hung' outside of stations where we have been waiting for us to undock. Course they usually die when we do... _____ m0o
Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:45:00 - [34] After EoE merged with m0o one of our members engaged in a cat-n-mouse game with a very rude victim. One which didn't seem to think dying was his duty. Our member, on a hunch, invited him to a gang and the guy accepted. Our member warped to his location and podded him. This was so funny that we all had to try it. This lasted maybe 2-3 days before everyone that plays the game caught on, at which point we stopped because no-one was accepting any longer. Im not sure what you mean by 'station hanging' but I assume you are referring to waiting outside of stations for people, and I fail to see how that is even remotely upsetting to anyone who has played the game. Many people have certainly 'hung' outside of stations where we have been waiting for us to undock. Course they usually die when we do... _____ m0o
NJDruid	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:49:00 - [35] okok stop it ...exploits, exploits come on fellow gamers . You RP a role and you use game mechanics to achieve advantage . Yeah so your gona say "I pay good money to play I dont need people cheating." 1. Its not cheating to use the game mechanics 2. If you go against organised pirate squad you will die if you dont comply or you have a lot of m8s with you. 3. Its a game so RP it and stop bringing RL into this which is what your doing by moaning about dropping cargo canisters that affect lag. Treat it as RP cos you have to live with it . 4. As someone said before this isnt a frag game so quit the I wont a battleship and im bored of mining carp!!! This is a space sim which you can do pretty much what you like with your m8s and things dont move that quickly if you play the game properly. Lighten up some of you are begining to sound pathetic. Learn to enjoy the experience whatever it is ......walks away shaking head NJDruid Member of the Nomad Dwarfers (trying to have some fun with his m8s and RP to get away from the pressures of RL) No Im not and never will be a Pirate Beer and Sheep to all men
NJDruid Nomad Dwarfers	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:49:00 - [36] okok stop it ...exploits, exploits come on fellow gamers . You RP a role and you use game mechanics to achieve advantage . Yeah so your gona say "I pay good money to play I dont need people cheating." 1. Its not cheating to use the game mechanics 2. If you go against organised pirate squad you will die if you dont comply or you have a lot of m8s with you. 3. Its a game so RP it and stop bringing RL into this which is what your doing by moaning about dropping cargo canisters that affect lag. Treat it as RP cos you have to live with it . 4. As someone said before this isnt a frag game so quit the I wont a battleship and im bored of mining carp!!! This is a space sim which you can do pretty much what you like with your m8s and things dont move that quickly if you play the game properly. Lighten up some of you are begining to sound pathetic. Learn to enjoy the experience whatever it is ......walks away shaking head NJDruid Member of the Nomad Dwarfers (trying to have some fun with his m8s and RP to get away from the pressures of RL) No Im not and never will be a Pirate Beer and Sheep to all men
Axelay	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:51:00 - [37] CCP has already stated that the contents of the containers are not loaded. "No data is sent to the client which is not accesible through the UI" Since you are not able to see the contents of the containers unless you are within 1500m the client is not loading the contents. If it was the players would be able to use third party apps which intercept this information and provide you with a list of the items available in each container. Since this application would not work (because no information is sent to the client which is not available on the UI) you know by deduction that the information about the items in the cargo pods are not being loaded. Furthermore, the accusation thus far has centered around us dumping thousands of pods with 1 piece of ammo each, that is only 1 piece of ammo to load per container, even if it DID load that data (which it does not). And in conclusion, if the game was loading the contents of the cargo pods, it could just as easily load the cargo pods before the player entered the area. Since this does not happen (because no data is sent to the client that is not available on the UI) you can safely reason that the cargo pods contents are not loaded prior to you attempting to open them Now, bite me :) _____ m0o
Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:51:00 - [38] CCP has already stated that the contents of the containers are not loaded. "No data is sent to the client which is not accesible through the UI" Since you are not able to see the contents of the containers unless you are within 1500m the client is not loading the contents. If it was the players would be able to use third party apps which intercept this information and provide you with a list of the items available in each container. Since this application would not work (because no information is sent to the client which is not available on the UI) you know by deduction that the information about the items in the cargo pods are not being loaded. Furthermore, the accusation thus far has centered around us dumping thousands of pods with 1 piece of ammo each, that is only 1 piece of ammo to load per container, even if it DID load that data (which it does not). And in conclusion, if the game was loading the contents of the cargo pods, it could just as easily load the cargo pods before the player entered the area. Since this does not happen (because no data is sent to the client that is not available on the UI) you can safely reason that the cargo pods contents are not loaded prior to you attempting to open them Now, bite me :) _____ m0o
Mr Kipper	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:59:00 - [39] so you are fully admitting then that you did indeed use the invite cheese. Good i will be sending this info with a link to here to a CCP dev (not that that'l achieve anything but i can try) Just cause evryone 'caught on' doesnt stop the fact that while you could you shoved this particular slice of cheese down the throat of as many noobs as you could, thats cheating/expoiting/being a gimp, whatever you feel happiest calling yourself :) As for station hanging, i dont think its possible in present patch but week 1 of the game while i avoided you all like the plague by watching bounty channel, i heard many in game conversations between you and bounty hunters and you all used to hang so close to stations that if people used splash weapons to shoot you it meant suddenly you had 2 sentry guns on your side , as the station viewed this as being hit by the bounty hunter. I realise this is virtually impossible in the current patch , but point is it was a cheesy exploit. Look man end of the day, there are many pirate corps and solo pirates (some as good if not better than you) but you do not see 30% of posts devoted to them, whys that?? cause they dont cheat or exploit or cover the whole game in as much cheese as they can, suck it down man, i still think you all suck very badly....suck the big one in fact :) Have a nice day now.......
Mr Kipper	Posted - 2003.06.27 11:59:00 - [40] so you are fully admitting then that you did indeed use the invite cheese. Good i will be sending this info with a link to here to a CCP dev (not that that'l achieve anything but i can try) Just cause evryone 'caught on' doesnt stop the fact that while you could you shoved this particular slice of cheese down the throat of as many noobs as you could, thats cheating/expoiting/being a gimp, whatever you feel happiest calling yourself :) As for station hanging, i dont think its possible in present patch but week 1 of the game while i avoided you all like the plague by watching bounty channel, i heard many in game conversations between you and bounty hunters and you all used to hang so close to stations that if people used splash weapons to shoot you it meant suddenly you had 2 sentry guns on your side , as the station viewed this as being hit by the bounty hunter. I realise this is virtually impossible in the current patch , but point is it was a cheesy exploit. Look man end of the day, there are many pirate corps and solo pirates (some as good if not better than you) but you do not see 30% of posts devoted to them, whys that?? cause they dont cheat or exploit or cover the whole game in as much cheese as they can, suck it down man, i still think you all suck very badly....suck the big one in fact :) Have a nice day now.......
Radical	Posted - 2003.06.27 12:10:00 - [41] I think we are getting a bit off topic, most of you are staying with it thoe, this isnt about exploits I was just talking about this game doesnt start and end in 1 month just caus you got a cruiser. I feel MOO - ARE!! essential to the game or to be more precise Pirates are - moo just happen to lead in this area. without real life pirates to fight when we get cruisers & BS's we will get bored. I do feel MOO does need to have a rethink about how they currently play, im sure they benefit highly buy sitting still in 1 place and killing all they see - BUT! we are not afraid of them vaus we know were they will be at any given time - they should roam around making us be more wary of being alone and without cruiser / BS backup. This will force people to stop arming cruisers / BS's with mining lasers and prepare to defend them sleves at a given moment. imagine - a whole corp of 20-50 people in there ships outfitted with mining lasers a couple of cruisers for backup for NPC pirates mining a field , all of a sudden in come 20 MOO and wipes out 1/4 of em. is'nt that what pirating is about roaming around looking for the mother load, not sitting still were everyone knows were you are and waiting for a noob bantam or badger to come flying by and being destroyed. Go roaming make us all scared of everysystem not just - passari & mara. invite more people into Moo - consolidate the small 2 man pirate corps, FORCE US ALL to adjust to you roaming around that will change everything. I think if you did this moo got a huge pirate corp going formed 10 sqauds of 10 men in each with BS/ cruiser mix and fly around diff systems so 10 systems at once beiung 10 groups of you that would stir things up. Maybe start a 2nd corp full of spies and information gatherers - by being in a 2nd corp not MOO they wont be attacked on site. And they could go roaming around 1 man each looking for hot spots of corps mining op's informing the main MOo party to swoop in. Come on I think you see what I am saying, I had my nive fighter frigate destroyed by you guys and even my Badger - but I dont mind, like a normal smart player I was insured I got back 95% of my money so no big deal. I am all for you guys pirating - just pirate smarter to make us all play different. PS ( sorry for long posts, I find it hard to end posts I keep finding things to say )
Radical	Posted - 2003.06.27 12:10:00 - [42] I think we are getting a bit off topic, most of you are staying with it thoe, this isnt about exploits I was just talking about this game doesnt start and end in 1 month just caus you got a cruiser. I feel MOO - ARE!! essential to the game or to be more precise Pirates are - moo just happen to lead in this area. without real life pirates to fight when we get cruisers & BS's we will get bored. I do feel MOO does need to have a rethink about how they currently play, im sure they benefit highly buy sitting still in 1 place and killing all they see - BUT! we are not afraid of them vaus we know were they will be at any given time - they should roam around making us be more wary of being alone and without cruiser / BS backup. This will force people to stop arming cruisers / BS's with mining lasers and prepare to defend them sleves at a given moment. imagine - a whole corp of 20-50 people in there ships outfitted with mining lasers a couple of cruisers for backup for NPC pirates mining a field , all of a sudden in come 20 MOO and wipes out 1/4 of em. is'nt that what pirating is about roaming around looking for the mother load, not sitting still were everyone knows were you are and waiting for a noob bantam or badger to come flying by and being destroyed. Go roaming make us all scared of everysystem not just - passari & mara. invite more people into Moo - consolidate the small 2 man pirate corps, FORCE US ALL to adjust to you roaming around that will change everything. I think if you did this moo got a huge pirate corp going formed 10 sqauds of 10 men in each with BS/ cruiser mix and fly around diff systems so 10 systems at once beiung 10 groups of you that would stir things up. Maybe start a 2nd corp full of spies and information gatherers - by being in a 2nd corp not MOO they wont be attacked on site. And they could go roaming around 1 man each looking for hot spots of corps mining op's informing the main MOo party to swoop in. Come on I think you see what I am saying, I had my nive fighter frigate destroyed by you guys and even my Badger - but I dont mind, like a normal smart player I was insured I got back 95% of my money so no big deal. I am all for you guys pirating - just pirate smarter to make us all play different. PS ( sorry for long posts, I find it hard to end posts I keep finding things to say )
Mr Kipper	Posted - 2003.06.27 12:14:00 - [43] I think youll find that would require thought, creativity and might actually re**** in mOo members occasionally getting killed...GASP shock horror,and they cant have that can they now:) Just to add though yes its a great idea and i am a pirate wanna be now and hope one day to do just what you described virtually. So no im no carebear i just cant stand bullies and cheats, they suck the fat one. Edited by: Mr Kipper on 27/06/2003 12:16:19
Mr Kipper	Posted - 2003.06.27 12:14:00 - [44] I think youll find that would require thought, creativity and might actually re**** in mOo members occasionally getting killed...GASP shock horror,and they cant have that can they now:) Just to add though yes its a great idea and i am a pirate wanna be now and hope one day to do just what you described virtually. So no im no carebear i just cant stand bullies and cheats, they suck the fat one. Edited by: Mr Kipper on 27/06/2003 12:16:19
Setec	Posted - 2003.06.27 13:17:00 - [45] LOL. "Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot..." GOD I love that insult. That is my absolute favorite one to see. "Your an idiot." It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Setec Caldari The Silent Rage	Posted - 2003.06.27 13:17:00 - [46] LOL. "Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot..." GOD I love that insult. That is my absolute favorite one to see. "Your an idiot." It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Vrischika	Posted - 2003.06.27 15:34:00 - [47] "right now there are so many 1-2 man pirate corps they should all merge." But I hate people!
Vrischika Caldari Hemlock and McWurzel	Posted - 2003.06.27 15:34:00 - [48] "right now there are so many 1-2 man pirate corps they should all merge." But I hate people!
Wil Rufus	Posted - 2003.06.28 01:49:00 - [49] There is one problem with the pirates in Eve. Many pirate players say that they are role playing. If so you need to role play correctly, like Setec. (Don't worry Setec my in game character still thinks your scum <grins>. That's Setec the pirate, not the real person behind him) The point I'm making is that to role play a pirate correctly you have to be a lone wolf, or opperate in small loose bands that come together for a short time. What is unballencing Eve, is when you get mid sized to large Corperations that are on the whole hunting down small corp or single freelancers, because that is what mOo and other pirate corps are doing. The only people who are going to take them on are other large Corps. But the paradox is, it's more finantially sound to simply pay them off then fight them. Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. I just think that the emphasis should be shifted from trying to nerf the ability to fight to stopping to many people from banding together for long periods.
Wil Rufus Amarr Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.28 01:49:00 - [50] There is one problem with the pirates in Eve. Many pirate players say that they are role playing. If so you need to role play correctly, like Setec. (Don't worry Setec my in game character still thinks your scum <grins>. That's Setec the pirate, not the real person behind him) The point I'm making is that to role play a pirate correctly you have to be a lone wolf, or opperate in small loose bands that come together for a short time. What is unballencing Eve, is when you get mid sized to large Corperations that are on the whole hunting down small corp or single freelancers, because that is what mOo and other pirate corps are doing. The only people who are going to take them on are other large Corps. But the paradox is, it's more finantially sound to simply pay them off then fight them. Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. I just think that the emphasis should be shifted from trying to nerf the ability to fight to stopping to many people from banding together for long periods.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.28 01:54:00 - [51] << Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. >> I'd suggest checking that your ship insurance and clone contracts are up to date. You just put a personal license plate that reads "Pod Me" on your ship ;) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.28 01:54:00 - [52] << Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. >> I'd suggest checking that your ship insurance and clone contracts are up to date. You just put a personal license plate that reads "Pod Me" on your ship ;) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
chekaria	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:05:00 - [53] So you are saying that if I wanted to be a researcher or industrialist and i just started the game a month ago (when neither lab nor factory existed for me to rent) and I cannot get those things I need nor can i start a corp and open an office and set up my BP lab then I should just hang out and MINE with you and spend my money for something I find totally boring? I mean, thats what your saying to every person who payed money to play this game. Because I didnt pay money when it first went live, I have to be a miner and hang out until CCP gets off its collective ass and fixes the problems? Why do I HAVE to wait around for them to realize their error? Life of an MMORPG is just a month long if they end up driving off the second half of their subscriber base that started a month later than the first half because they have been relegated to one of two roles - miner or NPC pirate hunter. I want to be a Corporate scientist and Industrialist. My own Corp. Mind telling me where to get an office with just ONE lab and ONE factory? I will then buy this tripe you are pushing. Chek this
chekaria	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:05:00 - [54] So you are saying that if I wanted to be a researcher or industrialist and i just started the game a month ago (when neither lab nor factory existed for me to rent) and I cannot get those things I need nor can i start a corp and open an office and set up my BP lab then I should just hang out and MINE with you and spend my money for something I find totally boring? I mean, thats what your saying to every person who payed money to play this game. Because I didnt pay money when it first went live, I have to be a miner and hang out until CCP gets off its collective ass and fixes the problems? Why do I HAVE to wait around for them to realize their error? Life of an MMORPG is just a month long if they end up driving off the second half of their subscriber base that started a month later than the first half because they have been relegated to one of two roles - miner or NPC pirate hunter. I want to be a Corporate scientist and Industrialist. My own Corp. Mind telling me where to get an office with just ONE lab and ONE factory? I will then buy this tripe you are pushing. Chek this
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:12:00 - [55] <<It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. >> One of life's mysteries for me has always been this: If computer geeks are supposed to be so much smarter than everyone else, why does their grammar so often make 2nd graders look like geniuses?
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:12:00 - [56] <<It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. >> One of life's mysteries for me has always been this: If computer geeks are supposed to be so much smarter than everyone else, why does their grammar so often make 2nd graders look like geniuses?
chekaria	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:27:00 - [57] I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy. Chek This
chekaria	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:27:00 - [58] I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy. Chek This
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:33:00 - [59] <<I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy.>> Umm, neither I nor the person I was quoting (Setec) was talking either to you or about you, dear. No need to get defensive. Just pay attention to the little <<>> symbols denoting a quote. Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 28/06/2003 02:34:05
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2003.06.28 02:33:00 - [60] <<I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy.>> Umm, neither I nor the person I was quoting (Setec) was talking either to you or about you, dear. No need to get defensive. Just pay attention to the little <<>> symbols denoting a quote. Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 28/06/2003 02:34:05

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