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 Radical    |
Posted - 2003.06.26 11:33:00 -
[1] I find it funny that most people are complaining about leaving after a few weeks of play, I dont know how long this game has been out in states but I doubt its been more than 1-2 months. Everyone complains that all they do is mine and not make enough money and they want there battleships now. Someone mentioned that if you trained all skills to lvl 5 it would take 17 years of real life training to do it. yet after 1 month people are saying i have it all im leaving or I dont have it all im leaving. online games are not about power playing for 1 month and having it all, its about finding a game settling down with it and its players and playing over a 1-2 year period building up. You cannot expect to play this game for 1 month and have a cruiser or battleship, I have been playing for 11 days now and still only have a 2 frigates mainly caus i keep restarting now that I know what i am doing 1 do have 1 mil cash but still along way off a cruiser. I am aware that mining is boring thats why i started 2 characters - 1 pure skilled miner with astrogeology - and 1 pure fighting charcter with lvl 4 frigate all the cash I get I give to my fighter and go around killing NPC pirates I made 200k in about 2-3 hours of killing 0.5 -0.3 system pirates and selling there loot. if I need more cash I load up my miner and mine kernite is a system no one comes to and sell it. in 2 days of doing this - as my 2 new charcters are only 2 days old i made up all the cash I lost on my other charcters I started with 200k on these 2 alts i know have 2 frigates / skill s/ equipment and 1 mil cash. I intend to join a corp when the fighting of npc pirates were off in a few days or a week. this is my first real chance to go hunt since day 1. I am also aware that there are people out ther ein battleships and heaps of cash etc but come on these people have friends that work together to earn great cash and were probably in beta and know what there doing. Content will come its still month 1 for me so I am conent to still play and pay and hold out to see what comes - I read that there are 25 or so new ships going to be added soon, that alone would be worth seeing. The one and only thing i feel they need to focus on above all others things are the factory & science slots - something needs to be nerfed there. no unlimited renting. other than that I think its coming along nicely, I even heard MOO got bicthed slapped back to the stone age. but true enough we need them in game / or else who would we fight. I heard that there members are down from 39 to 19 and they still are not recruiting on the HQ section, they should open up recruiting to let all the would be pirates join up to form 1 big pirate corp. right now there are so many 1-2 man pirate corps they should all merge. if you merged all would be pirates into moo and it rose from 19 to 100 - that would be a true enemy we could all strive for to fight against. This game WILL get boring if there are no enemies to defeat - MOO is essential they just need to STOP being so ******* arogant and let people join them and help. anyway I hope you people stop whinning about lack of cash after 1 day of play this is a long term game. |
 Radical |
Posted - 2003.06.26 11:33:00 -
[2] I find it funny that most people are complaining about leaving after a few weeks of play, I dont know how long this game has been out in states but I doubt its been more than 1-2 months. Everyone complains that all they do is mine and not make enough money and they want there battleships now. Someone mentioned that if you trained all skills to lvl 5 it would take 17 years of real life training to do it. yet after 1 month people are saying i have it all im leaving or I dont have it all im leaving. online games are not about power playing for 1 month and having it all, its about finding a game settling down with it and its players and playing over a 1-2 year period building up. You cannot expect to play this game for 1 month and have a cruiser or battleship, I have been playing for 11 days now and still only have a 2 frigates mainly caus i keep restarting now that I know what i am doing 1 do have 1 mil cash but still along way off a cruiser. I am aware that mining is boring thats why i started 2 characters - 1 pure skilled miner with astrogeology - and 1 pure fighting charcter with lvl 4 frigate all the cash I get I give to my fighter and go around killing NPC pirates I made 200k in about 2-3 hours of killing 0.5 -0.3 system pirates and selling there loot. if I need more cash I load up my miner and mine kernite is a system no one comes to and sell it. in 2 days of doing this - as my 2 new charcters are only 2 days old i made up all the cash I lost on my other charcters I started with 200k on these 2 alts i know have 2 frigates / skill s/ equipment and 1 mil cash. I intend to join a corp when the fighting of npc pirates were off in a few days or a week. this is my first real chance to go hunt since day 1. I am also aware that there are people out ther ein battleships and heaps of cash etc but come on these people have friends that work together to earn great cash and were probably in beta and know what there doing. Content will come its still month 1 for me so I am conent to still play and pay and hold out to see what comes - I read that there are 25 or so new ships going to be added soon, that alone would be worth seeing. The one and only thing i feel they need to focus on above all others things are the factory & science slots - something needs to be nerfed there. no unlimited renting. other than that I think its coming along nicely, I even heard MOO got bicthed slapped back to the stone age. but true enough we need them in game / or else who would we fight. I heard that there members are down from 39 to 19 and they still are not recruiting on the HQ section, they should open up recruiting to let all the would be pirates join up to form 1 big pirate corp. right now there are so many 1-2 man pirate corps they should all merge. if you merged all would be pirates into moo and it rose from 19 to 100 - that would be a true enemy we could all strive for to fight against. This game WILL get boring if there are no enemies to defeat - MOO is essential they just need to STOP being so ******* arogant and let people join them and help. anyway I hope you people stop whinning about lack of cash after 1 day of play this is a long term game. |
 Ironbuck |
Posted - 2003.06.26 12:16:00 -
[3] mOo also need to stop using some rather cheesy exploits :) yes yes im fully aware that you are all good pirates with great combat experience but thats why i find your use of cheesy exploits even more annoying there is no need to do it !! You could kick the ass off of most people anyway so why lower yourselves to feeble noob exploits ?? |
 Ironbuck |
Posted - 2003.06.26 12:16:00 -
[4] mOo also need to stop using some rather cheesy exploits :) yes yes im fully aware that you are all good pirates with great combat experience but thats why i find your use of cheesy exploits even more annoying there is no need to do it !! You could kick the ass off of most people anyway so why lower yourselves to feeble noob exploits ?? |
 Tyrellius |
Posted - 2003.06.26 13:01:00 -
[5] he he yet another pointless thread:) You can get a cruiser in 1 week, actually let me repeat you cna get a cruiser withing 24 hours of starting game, but you still have to train for it and maybe sleep and stuff, so let's say 2, 3 days max. If you have been playing for 11 days and you don't actually have 10 million isk... must be wrong mate, need to rethink your ways. m0o didn't get slapped to stone age, even thought I wish they did. And yes they do use anything they can to have an unfair advantage. If anyone puts just a bit of a fight they run away. Mate, trust me... check out something called Market, and trade runs, you can do it... there are players that have billion isk, no I... but they are out there, and they done it all legit. "Nothing is worth doing except that which the world says it's impossible..." |
 Tyrellius Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.06.26 13:01:00 -
[6] he he yet another pointless thread:) You can get a cruiser in 1 week, actually let me repeat you cna get a cruiser withing 24 hours of starting game, but you still have to train for it and maybe sleep and stuff, so let's say 2, 3 days max. If you have been playing for 11 days and you don't actually have 10 million isk... must be wrong mate, need to rethink your ways. m0o didn't get slapped to stone age, even thought I wish they did. And yes they do use anything they can to have an unfair advantage. If anyone puts just a bit of a fight they run away. Mate, trust me... check out something called Market, and trade runs, you can do it... there are players that have billion isk, no I... but they are out there, and they done it all legit. "Nothing is worth doing except that which the world says it's impossible..." |
 Wil Rufus |
Posted - 2003.06.27 01:41:00 -
[7] Part of the problem is with the players themselves not the game. This is also one area where I will point the finger of guilt at the younger more impatient players who try Eve. Because I have yet to find a Corps that I feel comfortable with I have spent most of my time since the game went retail in my starting Corp. I've lost count of the number of times that I have seen messages along the lines of "Hi. I'm new to the game. What do I have to do to get a battleship?" Eve isn't a FPS, it actually more akin to a stratagy game, just my feeling that is. Too many people come into the game thinking that they will be zooming around in huge death spawning ships, and don't realize that you have to be willing to put a lot of effort and time into getting those huge death spawning ships. Perhaps CCP should make this more clear on the labling. Or players should use a little commen sense and actually research what Eve is before they buy it. |
 Wil Rufus Amarr Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.06.27 01:41:00 -
[8] Part of the problem is with the players themselves not the game. This is also one area where I will point the finger of guilt at the younger more impatient players who try Eve. Because I have yet to find a Corps that I feel comfortable with I have spent most of my time since the game went retail in my starting Corp. I've lost count of the number of times that I have seen messages along the lines of "Hi. I'm new to the game. What do I have to do to get a battleship?" Eve isn't a FPS, it actually more akin to a stratagy game, just my feeling that is. Too many people come into the game thinking that they will be zooming around in huge death spawning ships, and don't realize that you have to be willing to put a lot of effort and time into getting those huge death spawning ships. Perhaps CCP should make this more clear on the labling. Or players should use a little commen sense and actually research what Eve is before they buy it. |
 Jash Illian |
Posted - 2003.06.27 01:51:00 -
[9] << This game WILL get boring if there are no enemies to defeat - MOO is essential they just need to STOP being so ******* arogant and let people join them and help. >> Arrogance comes with the territory when one is a pirate. A humble pirate will be a dead pirate quite shortly (even Setec flies with a bit of a swagger). m0o has played their role to the hilt: 30 people have the entire universe terrified of them. They are currently the undisputed "Bad Guys" that Caldari tell stories about to scare the little Caldari children into being good... "If you don't play nice with your sister, j0rt will sneak into your bedroom and steal you away!". As for the canisters thing, i'm starting to go with what others are saying: the canisters ain't the real source of the lag. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
 Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C. |
Posted - 2003.06.27 01:51:00 -
[10] << This game WILL get boring if there are no enemies to defeat - MOO is essential they just need to STOP being so ******* arogant and let people join them and help. >> Arrogance comes with the territory when one is a pirate. A humble pirate will be a dead pirate quite shortly (even Setec flies with a bit of a swagger). m0o has played their role to the hilt: 30 people have the entire universe terrified of them. They are currently the undisputed "Bad Guys" that Caldari tell stories about to scare the little Caldari children into being good... "If you don't play nice with your sister, j0rt will sneak into your bedroom and steal you away!". As for the canisters thing, i'm starting to go with what others are saying: the canisters ain't the real source of the lag. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Setec |
Posted - 2003.06.27 04:24:00 -
[11] I would have read your post more thoroughly if you'd used some lower-case letters in your title. :) What I read sounded alright though. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net |
 Setec Caldari The Silent Rage |
Posted - 2003.06.27 04:24:00 -
[12] I would have read your post more thoroughly if you'd used some lower-case letters in your title. :) What I read sounded alright though. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net |
Shinana |
Posted - 2003.06.27 04:32:00 -
[13] The canisters are the source of lag, they have been since the beta, they continue to be. Using such a tactic is not 'meta-gaming', nor is it 'camoflage', it's 'exploiting', as it is beyond the bounds of the rules set forth by the designers (note, that some of the other scams, while scams, are clearly within the "rules" of the game, and have to be allowed). |
 Shinana Caldari |
Posted - 2003.06.27 04:32:00 -
[14] The canisters are the source of lag, they have been since the beta, they continue to be. Using such a tactic is not 'meta-gaming', nor is it 'camoflage', it's 'exploiting', as it is beyond the bounds of the rules set forth by the designers (note, that some of the other scams, while scams, are clearly within the "rules" of the game, and have to be allowed). |
 Jash Illian |
Posted - 2003.06.27 05:09:00 -
[15] << The canisters are the source of lag, they have been since the beta, they continue to be. Using such a tactic is not 'meta-gaming', nor is it 'camoflage', it's 'exploiting', as it is beyond the bounds of the rules set forth by the designers (note, that some of the other scams, while scams, are clearly within the "rules" of the game, and have to be allowed). >> Shinana, I've been in areas with a lot of cans and I've been in areas with a lot of ships. Been in areas with a lot of cans and ships. It doesn't add up completely. Especially in view of that interview with a norwegian (I think) site, where the dev said it was UI related. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C. |
Posted - 2003.06.27 05:09:00 -
[16] << The canisters are the source of lag, they have been since the beta, they continue to be. Using such a tactic is not 'meta-gaming', nor is it 'camoflage', it's 'exploiting', as it is beyond the bounds of the rules set forth by the designers (note, that some of the other scams, while scams, are clearly within the "rules" of the game, and have to be allowed). >> Shinana, I've been in areas with a lot of cans and I've been in areas with a lot of ships. Been in areas with a lot of cans and ships. It doesn't add up completely. Especially in view of that interview with a norwegian (I think) site, where the dev said it was UI related. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lijah Reaper |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:09:00 -
[17] Hmm... I just saw another post where I discovered what people meant by "a lot" of canisters: Stealing a link, here is one from Tyrellius. http://www.terrajen-foundation.com/eve/combat.jpg Go there and be amazed. Edited by: Lijah Reaper on 27/06/2003 06:09:45 Edited by: Lijah Reaper on 27/06/2003 06:10:02 |
 Lijah Reaper Caldari |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:09:00 -
[18] Hmm... I just saw another post where I discovered what people meant by "a lot" of canisters: Stealing a link, here is one from Tyrellius. http://www.terrajen-foundation.com/eve/combat.jpg Go there and be amazed. Edited by: Lijah Reaper on 27/06/2003 06:09:45 Edited by: Lijah Reaper on 27/06/2003 06:10:02 |
Axelay |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:20:00 -
[19] I have been telling people for weeks that the canisters are not where the lag is coming from. Though mobs never listen to reason. That's OK though, the devs listened to reason, and understood. It comes from other ships ESPECIALLY other players. Try warping in to a belt without pirates then a belt with pirates then a belt full of your corp mates mining. Tell me which one lags more. Each asteroid is an object that is more complex than a cargo container, but if you still don't believe me, make a bookmark somewhere out in the middle of space and warp there, then dump 20,0000 cans and warp away and warp back. You will probably rubber-band, but it will only be a seconds. Then try it again with 5 of your friends sitting there waiting for you. People who don't know what they are talking about are the only ones still accusing us of using cargo pods to cause lag. We simply don't use cargo cans. Tyrellius posted a screenshot of the one time that containers were purposefully placed, but that was done for camo/cover (make it harder to target us) and it was only done once. So many people *****ed about it and accused us of causing lag with it (notice that there were 12 people in that gang which probably lagged that attack fleet a bit) that we stopped doing it. You guys that keep on harping on this issue really need to be podded more often. _____ m0o |
 Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:20:00 -
[20] I have been telling people for weeks that the canisters are not where the lag is coming from. Though mobs never listen to reason. That's OK though, the devs listened to reason, and understood. It comes from other ships ESPECIALLY other players. Try warping in to a belt without pirates then a belt with pirates then a belt full of your corp mates mining. Tell me which one lags more. Each asteroid is an object that is more complex than a cargo container, but if you still don't believe me, make a bookmark somewhere out in the middle of space and warp there, then dump 20,0000 cans and warp away and warp back. You will probably rubber-band, but it will only be a seconds. Then try it again with 5 of your friends sitting there waiting for you. People who don't know what they are talking about are the only ones still accusing us of using cargo pods to cause lag. We simply don't use cargo cans. Tyrellius posted a screenshot of the one time that containers were purposefully placed, but that was done for camo/cover (make it harder to target us) and it was only done once. So many people *****ed about it and accused us of causing lag with it (notice that there were 12 people in that gang which probably lagged that attack fleet a bit) that we stopped doing it. You guys that keep on harping on this issue really need to be podded more often. _____ m0o |
 Bas Rutten |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:40:00 -
[21] Well ... all I can say to this is that a couple guys and I tried to break a blockade once done by Red Corsairs ... we had even numbers of ships but well ... at least I, didn¦t recall what the others said (it¦s been a while) lagged to hell and back, the whole time of the combat, and there weren¦t any containers floating. It was around 8-10 ships participating in that combat. It got worse when ships started to explode btw ... so go figure ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney |
 Bas Rutten Pothead Corporation |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:40:00 -
[22] Well ... all I can say to this is that a couple guys and I tried to break a blockade once done by Red Corsairs ... we had even numbers of ships but well ... at least I, didn¦t recall what the others said (it¦s been a while) lagged to hell and back, the whole time of the combat, and there weren¦t any containers floating. It was around 8-10 ships participating in that combat. It got worse when ships started to explode btw ... so go figure ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney |
 Axelay |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:44:00 -
[23] One of our members participated in a large scale battle with 30+ ships (since this game advertises battles in the 100s). Before I make my comments, I must put in a disclaimer: This was the TEST SERVER so it may not have the same resources available to it that the live server has... Anyway, the lag was SOOO bad that ships would literally blow up, and then the server would rubber-band back to the beginning of the conflict and the ship would show back up. The lag was horrendous, this alone should give testimony to the fact that the real source of lag in these combat situations does not come from cargo containers. _____ m0o |
Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:44:00 -
[24] One of our members participated in a large scale battle with 30+ ships (since this game advertises battles in the 100s). Before I make my comments, I must put in a disclaimer: This was the TEST SERVER so it may not have the same resources available to it that the live server has... Anyway, the lag was SOOO bad that ships would literally blow up, and then the server would rubber-band back to the beginning of the conflict and the ship would show back up. The lag was horrendous, this alone should give testimony to the fact that the real source of lag in these combat situations does not come from cargo containers. _____ m0o |
Bas Rutten |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:48:00 -
[25] It already does that to me when warping to a belt sometimes ... I come out of warp and close in a roid at 20 kms just to find me at 25 km distance a second after ... so I actually don¦t see any point for me to fight atm, not because I¦m afraid to lose my ship but it¦s just annoying and no fun at all. I think I desperately need to go play a little BF 1942 every once in a while for decent PvP ;) ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney |
Bas Rutten Pothead Corporation |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:48:00 -
[26] It already does that to me when warping to a belt sometimes ... I come out of warp and close in a roid at 20 kms just to find me at 25 km distance a second after ... so I actually don¦t see any point for me to fight atm, not because I¦m afraid to lose my ship but it¦s just annoying and no fun at all. I think I desperately need to go play a little BF 1942 every once in a while for decent PvP ;) ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney |
Shivash |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:54:00 -
[27] "You can get a cruiser in 1 week, actually let me repeat you cna get a cruiser withing 24 hours of starting game, but you still have to train for it and maybe sleep and stuff, so let's say 2, 3 days max." True... but why bother, that's like trying to hit the win button from day 1. I've been playing 2 weeks, have ( over 3 chars ) 3 frigates and a stower. I'm currently working on cruiser for the mining char but other than that I havn't needed a cruiser. There's just no point to rushing these things. |
 Shivash Amarr Imperial Shipment |
Posted - 2003.06.27 06:54:00 -
[28] "You can get a cruiser in 1 week, actually let me repeat you cna get a cruiser withing 24 hours of starting game, but you still have to train for it and maybe sleep and stuff, so let's say 2, 3 days max." True... but why bother, that's like trying to hit the win button from day 1. I've been playing 2 weeks, have ( over 3 chars ) 3 frigates and a stower. I'm currently working on cruiser for the mining char but other than that I havn't needed a cruiser. There's just no point to rushing these things. |
 Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:26:00 -
[29] Ok Axely what about the cheesmungous tactic of inviting victims into yout gang to kill them with modal windows amongst many other things like station hanging, you guys suck...full stop |
 Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:26:00 -
[30] Ok Axely what about the cheesmungous tactic of inviting victims into yout gang to kill them with modal windows amongst many other things like station hanging, you guys suck...full stop |
 Sabastian Kane |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:43:00 -
[31] Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot... Thanks PS: Containers do cause lag! No not the containers themselves since they are drawn from your hard drive. What causes lag is the information being sent from the CCP servers to your computer informing you of whats in those containers. Its easier to send that info on asteroids because its a set number. The roid is rendered on your HD and a number quantity is placed on it. HOWEVER, with cans the information on the contents, and each item's attributes in the can must be sent to your computer at the time you warp in. THIS CAUSES LAG! I am sorry someone has been lieing to you and declaring you guys are not exploiting, but the fact is YOU ARE EXPLOITING. MOo is the cheesiest damn thing since Cheddar was invented! |
 Sabastian Kane |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:43:00 -
[32] Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot... Thanks PS: Containers do cause lag! No not the containers themselves since they are drawn from your hard drive. What causes lag is the information being sent from the CCP servers to your computer informing you of whats in those containers. Its easier to send that info on asteroids because its a set number. The roid is rendered on your HD and a number quantity is placed on it. HOWEVER, with cans the information on the contents, and each item's attributes in the can must be sent to your computer at the time you warp in. THIS CAUSES LAG! I am sorry someone has been lieing to you and declaring you guys are not exploiting, but the fact is YOU ARE EXPLOITING. MOo is the cheesiest damn thing since Cheddar was invented! |
 Axelay |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:45:00 -
[33] After EoE merged with m0o one of our members engaged in a cat-n-mouse game with a very rude victim. One which didn't seem to think dying was his duty. Our member, on a hunch, invited him to a gang and the guy accepted. Our member warped to his location and podded him. This was so funny that we all had to try it. This lasted maybe 2-3 days before everyone that plays the game caught on, at which point we stopped because no-one was accepting any longer. Im not sure what you mean by 'station hanging' but I assume you are referring to waiting outside of stations for people, and I fail to see how that is even remotely upsetting to anyone who has played the game. Many people have certainly 'hung' outside of stations where we have been waiting for us to undock. Course they usually die when we do... _____ m0o |
Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:45:00 -
[34] After EoE merged with m0o one of our members engaged in a cat-n-mouse game with a very rude victim. One which didn't seem to think dying was his duty. Our member, on a hunch, invited him to a gang and the guy accepted. Our member warped to his location and podded him. This was so funny that we all had to try it. This lasted maybe 2-3 days before everyone that plays the game caught on, at which point we stopped because no-one was accepting any longer. Im not sure what you mean by 'station hanging' but I assume you are referring to waiting outside of stations for people, and I fail to see how that is even remotely upsetting to anyone who has played the game. Many people have certainly 'hung' outside of stations where we have been waiting for us to undock. Course they usually die when we do... _____ m0o |
NJDruid |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:49:00 -
[35] okok stop it ...exploits, exploits come on fellow gamers . You RP a role and you use game mechanics to achieve advantage . Yeah so your gona say "I pay good money to play I dont need people cheating." 1. Its not cheating to use the game mechanics 2. If you go against organised pirate squad you will die if you dont comply or you have a lot of m8s with you. 3. Its a game so RP it and stop bringing RL into this which is what your doing by moaning about dropping cargo canisters that affect lag. Treat it as RP cos you have to live with it . 4. As someone said before this isnt a frag game so quit the I wont a battleship and im bored of mining carp!!! This is a space sim which you can do pretty much what you like with your m8s and things dont move that quickly if you play the game properly. Lighten up some of you are begining to sound pathetic. Learn to enjoy the experience whatever it is ......*walks away shaking head* NJDruid Member of the Nomad Dwarfers (trying to have some fun with his m8s and RP to get away from the pressures of RL) No Im not and never will be a Pirate Beer and Sheep to all men |
 NJDruid Nomad Dwarfers |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:49:00 -
[36] okok stop it ...exploits, exploits come on fellow gamers . You RP a role and you use game mechanics to achieve advantage . Yeah so your gona say "I pay good money to play I dont need people cheating." 1. Its not cheating to use the game mechanics 2. If you go against organised pirate squad you will die if you dont comply or you have a lot of m8s with you. 3. Its a game so RP it and stop bringing RL into this which is what your doing by moaning about dropping cargo canisters that affect lag. Treat it as RP cos you have to live with it . 4. As someone said before this isnt a frag game so quit the I wont a battleship and im bored of mining carp!!! This is a space sim which you can do pretty much what you like with your m8s and things dont move that quickly if you play the game properly. Lighten up some of you are begining to sound pathetic. Learn to enjoy the experience whatever it is ......*walks away shaking head* NJDruid Member of the Nomad Dwarfers (trying to have some fun with his m8s and RP to get away from the pressures of RL) No Im not and never will be a Pirate Beer and Sheep to all men |
 Axelay |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:51:00 -
[37] CCP has already stated that the contents of the containers are not loaded. "No data is sent to the client which is not accesible through the UI" Since you are not able to see the contents of the containers unless you are within 1500m the client is not loading the contents. If it was the players would be able to use third party apps which intercept this information and provide you with a list of the items available in each container. Since this application would not work (because no information is sent to the client which is not available on the UI) you know by deduction that the information about the items in the cargo pods are not being loaded. Furthermore, the accusation thus far has centered around us dumping thousands of pods with 1 piece of ammo each, that is only 1 piece of ammo to load per container, even if it DID load that data (which it does not). And in conclusion, if the game was loading the contents of the cargo pods, it could just as easily load the cargo pods before the player entered the area. Since this does not happen (because no data is sent to the client that is not available on the UI) you can safely reason that the cargo pods contents are not loaded prior to you attempting to open them Now, bite me :) _____ m0o |
Axelay Minmatar Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:51:00 -
[38] CCP has already stated that the contents of the containers are not loaded. "No data is sent to the client which is not accesible through the UI" Since you are not able to see the contents of the containers unless you are within 1500m the client is not loading the contents. If it was the players would be able to use third party apps which intercept this information and provide you with a list of the items available in each container. Since this application would not work (because no information is sent to the client which is not available on the UI) you know by deduction that the information about the items in the cargo pods are not being loaded. Furthermore, the accusation thus far has centered around us dumping thousands of pods with 1 piece of ammo each, that is only 1 piece of ammo to load per container, even if it DID load that data (which it does not). And in conclusion, if the game was loading the contents of the cargo pods, it could just as easily load the cargo pods before the player entered the area. Since this does not happen (because no data is sent to the client that is not available on the UI) you can safely reason that the cargo pods contents are not loaded prior to you attempting to open them Now, bite me :) _____ m0o |
Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:59:00 -
[39] so you are fully admitting then that you did indeed use the invite cheese. Good i will be sending this info with a link to here to a CCP dev (not that that'l achieve anything but i can try) Just cause evryone 'caught on' doesnt stop the fact that while you could you shoved this particular slice of cheese down the throat of as many noobs as you could, thats cheating/expoiting/being a gimp, whatever you feel happiest calling yourself :) As for station hanging, i dont think its possible in present patch but week 1 of the game while i avoided you all like the plague by watching bounty channel, i heard many in game conversations between you and bounty hunters and you all used to hang so close to stations that if people used splash weapons to shoot you it meant suddenly you had 2 sentry guns on your side , as the station viewed this as being hit by the bounty hunter. I realise this is virtually impossible in the current patch , but point is it was a cheesy exploit. Look man end of the day, there are many pirate corps and solo pirates (some as good if not better than you) but you do not see 30% of posts devoted to them, whys that?? cause they dont cheat or exploit or cover the whole game in as much cheese as they can, suck it down man, i still think you all suck very badly....suck the big one in fact :) Have a nice day now....... |
Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.27 11:59:00 -
[40] so you are fully admitting then that you did indeed use the invite cheese. Good i will be sending this info with a link to here to a CCP dev (not that that'l achieve anything but i can try) Just cause evryone 'caught on' doesnt stop the fact that while you could you shoved this particular slice of cheese down the throat of as many noobs as you could, thats cheating/expoiting/being a gimp, whatever you feel happiest calling yourself :) As for station hanging, i dont think its possible in present patch but week 1 of the game while i avoided you all like the plague by watching bounty channel, i heard many in game conversations between you and bounty hunters and you all used to hang so close to stations that if people used splash weapons to shoot you it meant suddenly you had 2 sentry guns on your side , as the station viewed this as being hit by the bounty hunter. I realise this is virtually impossible in the current patch , but point is it was a cheesy exploit. Look man end of the day, there are many pirate corps and solo pirates (some as good if not better than you) but you do not see 30% of posts devoted to them, whys that?? cause they dont cheat or exploit or cover the whole game in as much cheese as they can, suck it down man, i still think you all suck very badly....suck the big one in fact :) Have a nice day now....... |
Radical |
Posted - 2003.06.27 12:10:00 -
[41] I think we are getting a bit off topic, most of you are staying with it thoe, this isnt about exploits I was just talking about this game doesnt start and end in 1 month just caus you got a cruiser. I feel MOO - ARE!! essential to the game or to be more precise Pirates are - moo just happen to lead in this area. without real life pirates to fight when we get cruisers & BS's we will get bored. I do feel MOO does need to have a rethink about how they currently play, im sure they benefit highly buy sitting still in 1 place and killing all they see - BUT! we are not afraid of them vaus we know were they will be at any given time - they should roam around making us be more wary of being alone and without cruiser / BS backup. This will force people to stop arming cruisers / BS's with mining lasers and prepare to defend them sleves at a given moment. imagine - a whole corp of 20-50 people in there ships outfitted with mining lasers a couple of cruisers for backup for NPC pirates mining a field , all of a sudden in come 20 MOO and wipes out 1/4 of em. is'nt that what pirating is about roaming around looking for the mother load, not sitting still were everyone knows were you are and waiting for a noob bantam or badger to come flying by and being destroyed. Go roaming make us all scared of everysystem not just - passari & mara. invite more people into Moo - consolidate the small 2 man pirate corps, FORCE US ALL to adjust to you roaming around that will change everything. I think if you did this moo got a huge pirate corp going formed 10 sqauds of 10 men in each with BS/ cruiser mix and fly around diff systems so 10 systems at once beiung 10 groups of you that would stir things up. Maybe start a 2nd corp full of spies and information gatherers - by being in a 2nd corp not MOO they wont be attacked on site. And they could go roaming around 1 man each looking for hot spots of corps mining op's informing the main MOo party to swoop in. Come on I think you see what I am saying, I had my nive fighter frigate destroyed by you guys and even my Badger - but I dont mind, like a normal smart player I was insured I got back 95% of my money so no big deal. I am all for you guys pirating - just pirate smarter to make us all play different. PS ( sorry for long posts, I find it hard to end posts I keep finding things to say ) |
Radical |
Posted - 2003.06.27 12:10:00 -
[42] I think we are getting a bit off topic, most of you are staying with it thoe, this isnt about exploits I was just talking about this game doesnt start and end in 1 month just caus you got a cruiser. I feel MOO - ARE!! essential to the game or to be more precise Pirates are - moo just happen to lead in this area. without real life pirates to fight when we get cruisers & BS's we will get bored. I do feel MOO does need to have a rethink about how they currently play, im sure they benefit highly buy sitting still in 1 place and killing all they see - BUT! we are not afraid of them vaus we know were they will be at any given time - they should roam around making us be more wary of being alone and without cruiser / BS backup. This will force people to stop arming cruisers / BS's with mining lasers and prepare to defend them sleves at a given moment. imagine - a whole corp of 20-50 people in there ships outfitted with mining lasers a couple of cruisers for backup for NPC pirates mining a field , all of a sudden in come 20 MOO and wipes out 1/4 of em. is'nt that what pirating is about roaming around looking for the mother load, not sitting still were everyone knows were you are and waiting for a noob bantam or badger to come flying by and being destroyed. Go roaming make us all scared of everysystem not just - passari & mara. invite more people into Moo - consolidate the small 2 man pirate corps, FORCE US ALL to adjust to you roaming around that will change everything. I think if you did this moo got a huge pirate corp going formed 10 sqauds of 10 men in each with BS/ cruiser mix and fly around diff systems so 10 systems at once beiung 10 groups of you that would stir things up. Maybe start a 2nd corp full of spies and information gatherers - by being in a 2nd corp not MOO they wont be attacked on site. And they could go roaming around 1 man each looking for hot spots of corps mining op's informing the main MOo party to swoop in. Come on I think you see what I am saying, I had my nive fighter frigate destroyed by you guys and even my Badger - but I dont mind, like a normal smart player I was insured I got back 95% of my money so no big deal. I am all for you guys pirating - just pirate smarter to make us all play different. PS ( sorry for long posts, I find it hard to end posts I keep finding things to say ) |
Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.27 12:14:00 -
[43] I think youll find that would require thought, creativity and might actually re**** in mOo members occasionally getting killed...GASP shock horror,and they cant have that can they now:) Just to add though yes its a great idea and i am a pirate wanna be now and hope one day to do just what you described virtually. So no im no carebear i just cant stand bullies and cheats, they suck the fat one. Edited by: Mr Kipper on 27/06/2003 12:16:19 |
Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.27 12:14:00 -
[44] I think youll find that would require thought, creativity and might actually re**** in mOo members occasionally getting killed...GASP shock horror,and they cant have that can they now:) Just to add though yes its a great idea and i am a pirate wanna be now and hope one day to do just what you described virtually. So no im no carebear i just cant stand bullies and cheats, they suck the fat one. Edited by: Mr Kipper on 27/06/2003 12:16:19 |
Setec |
Posted - 2003.06.27 13:17:00 -
[45] LOL. "Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot..." GOD I love that insult. That is my absolute favorite one to see. "Your an idiot." It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net |
Setec Caldari The Silent Rage |
Posted - 2003.06.27 13:17:00 -
[46] LOL. "Dear Mr Axelay Your an idiot..." GOD I love that insult. That is my absolute favorite one to see. "Your an idiot." It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net |
 Vrischika |
Posted - 2003.06.27 15:34:00 -
[47] "right now there are so many 1-2 man pirate corps they should all merge." But I *hate* people! |
 Vrischika Caldari Hemlock and McWurzel |
Posted - 2003.06.27 15:34:00 -
[48] "right now there are so many 1-2 man pirate corps they should all merge." But I *hate* people! |
Wil Rufus |
Posted - 2003.06.28 01:49:00 -
[49] There is one problem with the pirates in Eve. Many pirate players say that they are role playing. If so you need to role play correctly, like Setec. (Don't worry Setec my in game character still thinks your scum <grins>. That's Setec the pirate, not the real person behind him) The point I'm making is that to role play a pirate correctly you have to be a lone wolf, or opperate in small loose bands that come together for a short time. What is unballencing Eve, is when you get mid sized to large Corperations that are on the whole hunting down small corp or single freelancers, because that is what mOo and other pirate corps are doing. The only people who are going to take them on are other large Corps. But the paradox is, it's more finantially sound to simply pay them off then fight them. Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. I just think that the emphasis should be shifted from trying to nerf the ability to fight to stopping to many people from banding together for long periods. |
Wil Rufus Amarr Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.06.28 01:49:00 -
[50] There is one problem with the pirates in Eve. Many pirate players say that they are role playing. If so you need to role play correctly, like Setec. (Don't worry Setec my in game character still thinks your scum <grins>. That's Setec the pirate, not the real person behind him) The point I'm making is that to role play a pirate correctly you have to be a lone wolf, or opperate in small loose bands that come together for a short time. What is unballencing Eve, is when you get mid sized to large Corperations that are on the whole hunting down small corp or single freelancers, because that is what mOo and other pirate corps are doing. The only people who are going to take them on are other large Corps. But the paradox is, it's more finantially sound to simply pay them off then fight them. Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. I just think that the emphasis should be shifted from trying to nerf the ability to fight to stopping to many people from banding together for long periods. |
Jash Illian |
Posted - 2003.06.28 01:54:00 -
[51] << Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. >> I'd suggest checking that your ship insurance and clone contracts are up to date. You just put a personal license plate that reads "Pod Me" on your ship ;) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C. |
Posted - 2003.06.28 01:54:00 -
[52] << Perhaps one way to deal with this problem is to have an automated routine, where if a Corperation is deamed to become a pirate group, then it is simply closed down by Concord and all it's assets stripped. That's only a suggestion, but the aim is to try and force pirates to play more outside the law. >> I'd suggest checking that your ship insurance and clone contracts are up to date. You just put a personal license plate that reads "Pod Me" on your ship ;) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
chekaria |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:05:00 -
[53] So you are saying that if I wanted to be a researcher or industrialist and i just started the game a month ago (when neither lab nor factory existed for me to rent) and I cannot get those things I need nor can i start a corp and open an office and set up my BP lab then I should just hang out and MINE with you and spend my money for something I find totally boring? I mean, thats what your saying to every person who payed money to play this game. Because I didnt pay money when it first went live, I have to be a miner and hang out until CCP gets off its collective ass and fixes the problems? Why do I HAVE to wait around for them to realize their error? Life of an MMORPG is just a month long if they end up driving off the second half of their subscriber base that started a month later than the first half because they have been relegated to one of two roles - miner or NPC pirate hunter. I want to be a Corporate scientist and Industrialist. My own Corp. Mind telling me where to get an office with just ONE lab and ONE factory? I will then buy this tripe you are pushing. Chek this |
 chekaria |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:05:00 -
[54] So you are saying that if I wanted to be a researcher or industrialist and i just started the game a month ago (when neither lab nor factory existed for me to rent) and I cannot get those things I need nor can i start a corp and open an office and set up my BP lab then I should just hang out and MINE with you and spend my money for something I find totally boring? I mean, thats what your saying to every person who payed money to play this game. Because I didnt pay money when it first went live, I have to be a miner and hang out until CCP gets off its collective ass and fixes the problems? Why do I HAVE to wait around for them to realize their error? Life of an MMORPG is just a month long if they end up driving off the second half of their subscriber base that started a month later than the first half because they have been relegated to one of two roles - miner or NPC pirate hunter. I want to be a Corporate scientist and Industrialist. My own Corp. Mind telling me where to get an office with just ONE lab and ONE factory? I will then buy this tripe you are pushing. Chek this |
Risien Drogonne |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:12:00 -
[55] <<It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. >> One of life's mysteries for me has always been this: If computer geeks are supposed to be so much smarter than everyone else, why does their grammar so often make 2nd graders look like geniuses? |
 Risien Drogonne |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:12:00 -
[56] <<It's "you're" not "your," you dolt. Here you are insulting somebody's intelligence and you haven't mastered second grade spelling. >> One of life's mysteries for me has always been this: If computer geeks are supposed to be so much smarter than everyone else, why does their grammar so often make 2nd graders look like geniuses? |
chekaria |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:27:00 -
[57] I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy. Chek This |
chekaria |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:27:00 -
[58] I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy. Chek This |
Risien Drogonne |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:33:00 -
[59] <<I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy.>> Umm, neither I nor the person I was quoting (Setec) was talking either to you or about you, dear. No need to get defensive. Just pay attention to the little <<>> symbols denoting a quote. Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 28/06/2003 02:34:05 |
Risien Drogonne |
Posted - 2003.06.28 02:33:00 -
[60] <<I did not criticize his grammer or spelling. If that is all you could come up with to criticize about my post then you must be very bored. Go mine some ore lemming boy.>> Umm, neither I nor the person I was quoting (Setec) was talking either to you or about you, dear. No need to get defensive. Just pay attention to the little <<>> symbols denoting a quote. Edited by: Risien Drogonne on 28/06/2003 02:34:05 |
Quantum Matrix |
Posted - 2003.06.28 06:55:00 -
[61] Axelay, Your example about dropping 20,000 cans and returning works as you outline it, because the containers are cached. However, if your friend drops 20,000 cans in deep space and has you warp there, you will lag a good while before they are all loaded on your screen. Unfortunately, your friend won't lag at all, so you're a sitting duck for a few seconds while you load the canisters. Whether intentional or not, it will add a few seconds of lag to incoming players, and I think that's the root of their argument. -QM What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains! |
 Quantum Matrix Minmatar Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2003.06.28 06:55:00 -
[62] Axelay, Your example about dropping 20,000 cans and returning works as you outline it, because the containers are cached. However, if your friend drops 20,000 cans in deep space and has you warp there, you will lag a good while before they are all loaded on your screen. Unfortunately, your friend won't lag at all, so you're a sitting duck for a few seconds while you load the canisters. Whether intentional or not, it will add a few seconds of lag to incoming players, and I think that's the root of their argument. -QM What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains! |
Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.28 11:10:00 -
[63] This is almost entirely aimed at the two people who were arguing the toss over spelling errors....GET A LIFE Nobody cares if things get punctuated badly or spelt wrong !! as long as the person gets across what they are trying to convey then, who cares really , and if you DO care then go become a 2nd Grade teacher ...jeez some people make me wanna weep. |
Mr Kipper |
Posted - 2003.06.28 11:10:00 -
[64] This is almost entirely aimed at the two people who were arguing the toss over spelling errors....GET A LIFE Nobody cares if things get punctuated badly or spelt wrong !! as long as the person gets across what they are trying to convey then, who cares really , and if you DO care then go become a 2nd Grade teacher ...jeez some people make me wanna weep. |
 meowmixmeow Black Eclipse Inc. |
Posted - 2007.03.23 05:38:00 -
[65] *giggles* funny old thread :P --- ___ BANG! ___ |
 syphurous Gallente |
Posted - 2007.03.23 05:51:00 -
[66] Now your just trolling for abuse aren't you ______________________________ |
 RedFall Irreligion |
Posted - 2007.03.23 05:57:00 -
[67] When a problem comes along... You must whip it. (NECRO) |
 Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance |
Posted - 2007.03.23 06:17:00 -
[68] I need an old priest and a young priest -----
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 Soporo Caldari |
Posted - 2007.03.23 06:19:00 -
[69] Holy necrowhine batman! |
RedFall Irreligion |
Posted - 2007.03.23 06:24:00 -
[70]
A priest and a rabbi are on a deserted island. The priest says to the rabbi, "Damn, I wish I had a 7 year old boy here right now." The rabbi asks, "Why?". The priest responds, "So I can **** him." The rabbi says, "Outta what?" Oh. I'll be here all week. |
 SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire |
Posted - 2007.03.23 06:27:00 -
[71]
A priest, a shaman, and a monk walk into a bar. Except the bar is my house, and there is no monk or shaman. And the priest is molesting me. And the priest isn't a priest; it's my father.  Oh, and IBTL.  ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless |
 Rooker Dark-Rising Fallen Souls |
Posted - 2007.03.23 06:29:00 -
[72] OMG Necro |
RedFall Irreligion |
Posted - 2007.03.23 06:33:00 -
[73]
I am humbled. You win. Cheers! |
 EntroX Caldari El Fugel Corp |
Posted - 2007.03.23 07:26:00 -
[74] A Rabbi, a priest, and the Pope all walk into a bar. The bartender says "What is this, a joke? And btw, holly mother of the necros, this has to be a record :P |
 Anth0ny Cash |
Posted - 2007.03.23 07:44:00 -
[75] Pa dobro, dokle viÜe, jazavci sa necroima?? |
 Motorcycle Emptiness |
Posted - 2007.03.23 07:47:00 -
[76] do not read this post! 22 years ago a shop keeper sold a pack of Mini Cheddars, but they came alive and ate the boy who bought them like cheesy piranhas :O oh noes anyhow you must post this comment in 3 other old threads from 2003 or the next packet of crisps you open will eat you alive kthxbai. |
 Sinjin Smythe Endgame. |
Posted - 2007.03.23 08:55:00 -
[77] I've just about had it with m0o's haxsploits too, enough is enough already! Btw I want my battleship right now too, Im tired of mining in my probe!  ---
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 Valorem Amarr Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department  |
Posted - 2007.03.23 09:01:00 -
[78] Please do not bump old threads. Necro is bad, mmmk? *Locked* Valorem forum rules | CAOD Rules | [email protected] | Our Website |
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