Originally by: N Ano

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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails

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I think you would do well to realise that a business is nothing without its customers. You could apply your remarks to almost any business - there are people that complain about nearly everything. They're called "critics" or "reviewers". It just happens that Eve players tend to be a lot more vocal than most, but we should consider something else...

CCP suggests they have ~300k subscribers, and even taking into consideration the number of alt accounts etc, there are not anywhere near that many people on these forums, or any other, complaining about the state of the game. It's a fact that people are less likely to notice and/or comment on positive changes. I imagine that your boss is more likely to notice a mistake and comment on it, than if you just did your job with nothing going wrong. People like complaining.

CCP seems to be learning to admit when they are wrong, as is the case with a recent dev blog. I'm sure this is greatly appreciated by the community at large, but there is still some way to go. Sometimes it feels like they make arbitary and sweeping changes, and often all the players really want is a better explanation as to why. It's not all about "they don't listen" but more about "they don't tell us" in a lot of cases. YMMV.

I'm glad you're not in charge of CCP. Maybe this is Hilmar and co's baby, and they want to see it through. Some people raise a business purely to sell it on later, others will raise their business and go down with it at the end. I hope in their case, it is the latter.


Regards,

C. o'Ninetails
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I guess I have a mission for next fanfest

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Like said before I will dye my hair blue for fanfest if you post in this thread without saying "lol" or "x" and actually being normal.

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Originally by: Dr Fighter

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"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"

Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.

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Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217

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give dramiel speed boost .... *waits*

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Originally by: Taedrin

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Logical explanations

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Originally by: Celeste Coeval

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You are all spoilt. CCP has spoilt you with expansions. It is CCP's game, not yours, don't forget that. You are not shareholders, you shouldn't really get any say at all.

You say CCP doesn't listen? Skill queue, wormholes, T2 BS, Invention, Sov 2.0, Titan DD nerf, nano nerf, ecm nerf, falcon nerf, need I go on.

People hate CCP for nerfing things, people love it when CCP nerfs the things they complained about.

People want CCP to not add too much new content and focus on fixing the bugs. People want more new content AND CCP to fix the bugs. People want bugs fixed and no new content.

People want PI. People don't want PI. People want Incarna. People don't want Incarna. People want DUST. People don't want DUST.

People think their set of values and concepts about EVE are dominant over others whose views do not coincide. So what if you pay a subscription? So do I! Most of the eve playerbase just enjoys whatever CCP implements and they don't ***** on these forums.

You know if I were the owner of CCP, i'd have said **** off a long time ago and taken the money and sold up to faceless corporation XYZ. Have they done this...no. You all sound like 4 yr olds demanding ice cream before dinner, but worse yet you are demanding no ice cream, ice cream after dinner and no dinner with just ice cream. What gives CCP consensus? CSM. You want this to be a democracy then go through CSM or run for it. Stop *****ing about stuff that quite frankly most of you haven't even tried. Most comments on PI are from people who haven't even tested it. You know who CCP will listen to, people testing their **** for them.


Good Day!

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Celeste Coeval said ôYou are all spoilt. CCP has spoilt you with expansions. It is CCP's game, not yours, don't forget that. You are not shareholders, you shouldn't really get any say at all.ö
Your having a laugh right? We are anything but spoilt. We get a higher then average price to pay and lower then average new content. We do get a say. If they ignore us and keep doing what we all hate we all leave and they go bankrupt. There business is to make products we all like and to keep us customers happy. That means listening to us at least part listening to us.

Eve is an MMO with a monthly subscription. You expect a certain amount of standards from an MMO with a subscription. If CCP keep droped all new content people would quit and they would go bankrupt.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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chrisss0r said "eve price is industry standard, not above it."
The standard subscription for MMO's seems to be around about ú8.99 Eve is above that. Its well known that in a large amount for the world Eve is well above the standard subscription which if you covert to dollars is over $20 per month.



chrisss0r said "and claiming that they have to listen to us and otherwise go bankrupt is stupid because what counts is not people saying that eve will die or how they gonna stop playing but the number of the active subscriptions. As long as thos rise they are doing their stuff right."
Its not stupid. They shouldn't blindly follow what we say but if they ignore the player base and ignore what is making the player base unhappy and start doing things the player base don't like they will lose subscribers. Yes active subscriptions is what matters but that will drop if the player base are unhappy and the devs ignore the player base completely.

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