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Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.04 19:59:00 - [1] A long standing promise has been fulfilled in law as well as in deed. The name of the Sylph Alliance has been struck from the rosters of CONCORD. The traitors are at last no more. Three years ago the Sylph Alliance chose to align itself with the Amarrian pro-slaver alliance that is the CVA, and their vision of 'Operation Deliverance'. It was as we fought besieged in the battle for Unity Station that Sylph moved from their position of political neutrality to join forces with the rising power of Amarrian Providence, and so cement their claim to the spoils of war. It with that act of treachery that we swore to see Sylph destroyed utterly. Some months ago, following a sustained offensive against Sylph pilots and assets, and the crumbling of their leadership that Sylph practically became a defunct political entity and ceased to operate. But today, we mark the final nail as it is driven into the coffin of Sylph's existence. As of now Sylph meets its destiny as nothing more than a fading memory. Remember them as this; a warning against the hubris and self-interest of man. Although the supporter of slavery might profit for a time, in the end he invites the heavy sword of justice to descend upon him. Today Providence stands liberated. The slavers have been cast out of their halls and those who supported them are failing. One remains, all others have faltered. All that remains of their plans now are the ashes of empires built on the backs of the subjugated. We go on to build a future where their names are nought but a fading memory. The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.05.04 22:15:00 - [2] Originally by: Ugleb we swore to see Sylph destroyed utterly. Warriors who keep their word. I salute you.
D melanogaster Minmatar The Fruit Flys	Posted - 2010.05.04 22:29:00 - [3] They were just awful. I'm sure that everyone appreciates the work you put in to see them fail.
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.04 22:51:00 - [4] What exactly did Sylph Alliance betray? In no way do I mean to deflate your victory, but is the situation truly as you imply it to be? One cannot have treachery without the violation of some agreement. If that entity made no oath or promise to you or those you represent (i.e., neutrality as opposed to a NAP), then there exists no basis for you to call it or its members traitorous. Was there some such agreement?
Aphoxema G DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.04 23:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Lyris Nairn What exactly did Sylph Alliance betray? In no way do I mean to deflate your victory, but is the situation truly as you imply it to be? One cannot have treachery without the violation of some agreement. If that entity made no oath or promise to you or those you represent (i.e., neutrality as opposed to a NAP), then there exists no basis for you to call it or its members traitorous. Was there some such agreement? I believe the implication was that they betrayed Humanity. ------------------------------- The fox chases for her meal, but the rabbit runs for her life.
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.05 04:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Aphoxema G I believe the implication was that they betrayed Humanity. Humanity betrayed... I think I have that axe grinding away somewhere; quite something in its day, now where did I leave it?
Grr Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 05:17:00 - [7] Don't try to claim credit for suicide.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.05 07:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Grr Don't try to claim credit for suicide. You mean "assisted suicide"? _______________________ We come for our people!
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.05 10:34:00 - [9] Any words on the traitors that left CVA and/or holders for UK? Or are those not considered traitors? Are one man's traitors simply another man's converts and newfound allies? I would urge you to remember this, as a warning against the hubris and self-interest of man. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.05 10:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Kazzzi Originally by: Ugleb we swore to see Sylph destroyed utterly. Warriors who keep their word. I salute you. Oh, the irony... Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rorin Cutter Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 12:58:00 - [11] There is, as Rodj Blake and Lady Grr have both pointed out much Irony here. And even more ôhubrisö. The truth is simply Providence is not liberated, and many hundreds of thousands of slaves and holders have died to protect there space and systems over the years. Fighting valiantly against bloody terrorists, as well as your pirating friends. And still despite this, and because of your coalition, Providence just burns. Not even the leftover, cold ashes are yet liberated as you claim, as this can only happen when each and every person has accepted god as his or her master and saviour. Make no mistake; the barbarian hoards called the ôSouthern Coalitionö will go down in history as just that, a hoard. And we will of course regain for the Empire what we have worked so hard to create. We are the sword of the righteous, and we will never be silenced, or go into that long, dark night quietly. With gods help and guidence we will prevail. Amarr Victor! -Rorin
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.05 15:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Lyris Nairn What exactly did Sylph Alliance betray? In no way do I mean to deflate your victory, but is the situation truly as you imply it to be? One cannot have treachery without the violation of some agreement. If that entity made no oath or promise to you or those you represent (i.e., neutrality as opposed to a NAP), then there exists no basis for you to call it or its members traitorous. Was there some such agreement? In the days when the Ushra'Khan held 'northern' Providence and CVA the south, Sylph sat as neutrals in between the two. We did not force them to choose a side in the conflict and respected that position. It lasted for some time, and the key to it was that we chose to respect their right to manage their on standings list without interference from us. But when the conflict turned into a fully engaged sov-war and it became clear that the CVA and their allies held the upper hand, Sylph chose to abandon neutrality and join the assault against us. That is why we have long considered them to be traitors, on a distinctly personal level. They could have simply maintained their position of neutrality and watched us by driven out, instead they moved into full allegiance with our enemy to better position themselves politically for the aftermath. The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:44:00 - [13] Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 05/05/2010 17:45:05 Originally by: Ugleb Originally by: Lyris Nairn What exactly did Sylph Alliance betray? In no way do I mean to deflate your victory, but is the situation truly as you imply it to be? One cannot have treachery without the violation of some agreement. If that entity made no oath or promise to you or those you represent (i.e., neutrality as opposed to a NAP), then there exists no basis for you to call it or its members traitorous. Was there some such agreement? In the days when the Ushra'Khan held 'northern' Providence and CVA the south, Sylph sat as neutrals in between the two. We did not force them to choose a side in the conflict and respected that position. It lasted for some time, and the key to it was that we chose to respect their right to manage their on standings list without interference from us. But when the conflict turned into a fully engaged sov-war and it became clear that the CVA and their allies held the upper hand, Sylph chose to abandon neutrality and join the assault against us. That is why we have long considered them to be traitors, on a distinctly personal level. They could have simply maintained their position of neutrality and watched us by driven out, instead they moved into full allegiance with our enemy to better position themselves politically for the aftermath. I presently hold no opinion on who should be the next President of the Gallente Federation. If in the future I were to decide that Candidate X should be the next President, then would I be considered a traitor to Candidate Y under your logic? It seems to me from your telling of history that the Sylph Alliance never claimed allegiance or friendship to your organization, and so did not "betray" it when they chose to take a side any more than they would have "betrayed" CVA had they chosen to side with your organization at the time. Picking a side, from a previous state of indifference, is not betrayal. I suggest you change your announcement's title to read: "The Fate of Those Who Disagree With Us" or "The Fate of Those Who Defy Our Will".
Nick Bete	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:50:00 - [14] I'm a longtime follower of the IGS, but have not felt compelled to post until now. Just wanted to express a quick opinion. One man's treachery is another's strategically motivated self-interest. Words, Captain Ugleb. Just words. But, as history is written by the victorious, it's your right to define those words as you see fit. Congratulations on your victory. Honestly, I expected more from U'K than the sort of self-serving rhetoric I've seen from your pilots since the repelling of Operation Deliverance. Where once there were proud men and women fighting for a noble cause there is now just another bunch of bragging space holders of the sort who populate the CAOD net. Sad really. Well, one era ends and another begins.
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.05 19:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Grr Don't try to claim credit for suicide. No-one is trying to take credit for "Operation Deliverance"! We Come For Our People (and your systems)
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.05 19:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Lyris Nairn Picking a side, from a previous state of indifference, is not betrayal. I suggest you change your announcement's title to read: "The Fate of Those Who Disagree With Us" or "The Fate of Those Who Defy Our Will". I'm partial to the further above suggested "Fate of Those Who Betray Humanity," as it is grandly presumptuous, which seems rather the whole point. However, "Fate of Those Who Defy Our Will" is certainly a more accurate characterization... though my limited understanding of how this all went down is that it would most accurately be "Fate of Those Who Defy That Particularly Large Alliance Over There."
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:07:00 - [17] Years pass yet the same lies are used again and again regarding Sylph picking sides against the Ushra'Khan. And as for Sylphs destruction, I believe that was down to internal factors rather than external factors such as yourselves. One of the major problems I kept seeing cropping up time and time again was bickering between members inside of the alliance. Obviously Ushra'Khans actions within Sylph space was a contributory factor to some of the bickering but in all fairness, it was a very small part. Some good corporations and people left Sylph, not because of Ushra'Khan but because of differences with others, being sick to death of the NRDS policy or other factors. In the end though Sylph died when the last of the key folks left, leadership was then by my knowledge decided by the members who were left and sadly for them they chose an incapable leadership who I don't believe could have stressfully run a large Empire alliance never-mind an alliance in null-sec space. Don't get me wrong, I am glad the control of Providence has changed hands and I congratulate Ushra'Khan and the others who have changed the face of the Providence area but I only give credit where it's due.
Maggot Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.05 23:14:00 - [18] This message is nothing about credit. It is about celebration. Celebration of the demise of a pus filled institution. This day was a long time coming and every step of the way was trod by Sylph themselves. From a family ripped apart by slavery I understand hatred. But never in my days have I dispised any organisation such as this. Imagine your neighbour, you have the occasional friendly word. One day he sees the local hoodlums beating you in the street. He could walk away, he could stop the fight or alternatively he could stick the knife in as he likes the look of your garden for himself. Utter scum. I have far more respect for the zealots of CVA than I will ever have for the poisoned clones of Sylph. This is one of the finest days, and for all those who played a part, I salute you. Maggot.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.06 07:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Maggot Imagine your neighbour, you have the occasional friendly word. One day he sees the local hoodlums beating you in the street. He could walk away, he could stop the fight or alternatively he could stick the knife in as he likes the look of your garden for himself. I nice methaphor. You so see that the UK are the hoodlums though? The CVA were more akin to police officers, while the UK terrorists were more akin to hoodlums. Maybe you don't want to police officer always looking if you are still a law-abiding citizen, but it sure beats living next door to a hoodlum. Yes, I can understand the hoodlum feeling betrayed by his neighbour ratting to the police, and the hoodlum's desire for revenge. Trying to paint it as justified or noble, trying to paint your neighbour as immoral, that is going a bit far coming from a band of hoodlums. The friendly but stern police officers of Providence are gone and gangs of hoodlums roam the neigbourhood, shooting at each other as well as the random passersby. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.06 10:27:00 - [20] Thats a stretch Merd, even for you. Did you even read what you quoted there? -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Merdaneth on 06/05/2010 13:19:18 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Thats a stretch Merd, even for you. Did you even read what you quoted there? I most certainly did. The example suggested two neighbours fighting each other up for a reason that didn't directly concern a third party. The fact that one party was called 'hoodlum' and the other party portrayed as an 'innocent victim' is a false portrayal. If the third party would see it that way, the third party would not be neutral, he would already favor one side. Usage of the term 'hoodlum' is perfectly understandble from UK's perspective, but is not from a neutral third party perspective. It is merely an attempt to skew the metaphor. As for my further comparison, Ushra Khan's continued use of NBSI classifies them more as street hoodlums beating up people for fun, while CVA's continued adherence to NRDS and its willingness to police and enforce their policies, would put make them resemble a police officer more. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Dame Death Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.06 16:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Merdaneth Edited by: Merdaneth on 06/05/2010 13:19:18 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Thats a stretch Merd, even for you. Did you even read what you quoted there? I most certainly did. The example suggested two neighbours fighting each other up for a reason that didn't directly concern a third party. The fact that one party was called 'hoodlum' and the other party portrayed as an 'innocent victim' is a false portrayal. If the third party would see it that way, the third party would not be neutral, he would already favor one side. Usage of the term 'hoodlum' is perfectly understandble from UK's perspective, but is not from a neutral third party perspective. It is merely an attempt to skew the metaphor. As for my further comparison, Ushra Khan's continued use of NBSI classifies them more as street hoodlums beating up people for fun, while CVA's continued adherence to NRDS and its willingness to police and enforce their policies, would put make them resemble a police officer more. I always saw CVA as the school yard bully with their "Do as we say or we beat you up" RoE Logs of a Brutor
ANDYB1972 Amarr atrum ones	Posted - 2010.05.06 21:30:00 - [23] LMAO have uk become blinded by there own lies that the truth is now clouded. MAGGOT you talk of sylph being s**and how we watched you get beat by cva and then turned on uk, you talk of nieghbours yes we were nieghbours and friends, we didnt stab uk in the back you let your backward cousin's come and stay and aloud them to ** on our flower beds and steal our lawn mower, and when we chased them back over the fence to tell them off you got upset. now how do i know this? simple because it was me back in my sylph days that came to 9uy to claim back my lawn mower from a certain mr davik kurchek and that sparked the whole thing hi to one and all
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Merdaneth Edited by: Merdaneth on 06/05/2010 13:19:18 The example suggested two neighbours fighting each other up for a reason that didn't directly concern a third party. The fact that one party was called 'hoodlum' and the other party portrayed as an 'innocent victim' is a false portrayal. If the third party would see it that way, the third party would not be neutral, he would already favor one side. Usage of the term 'hoodlum' is perfectly understandble from UK's perspective, but is not from a neutral third party perspective. It is merely an attempt to skew the metaphor. I have a holo reel around here somewhere, yes, yes... the Rashomon Effect! Well played.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Dame Death I always saw CVA as the school yard bully with their "Do as we say or we beat you up" RoE Except when you were working for the Amarrians, right? -----
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.06 22:29:00 - [26] Sylph died when Drakmor handed over the reigns to the alliance. ---
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.06 23:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Suitonia Sylph died when Drakmor handed over the reigns to the alliance. Hydra Reloaded died when Joe Phoenix absconded with the Capital fleet. :(
Dame Death Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Originally by: Dame Death I always saw CVA as the school yard bully with their "Do as we say or we beat you up" RoE Except when you were working for the Amarrians, right? Eliz sighs Someone always brings that up. And no even then I saw them as bullys yet annother reason I'm glad thats behind me. Logs of a Brutor
Codo Yagari Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:41:00 - [29] Assuming Ushra'Khan will now return to a full state of NRDS? You can call yourself as honourable as you wish, but the fact of the matter is that your history of practising NBSI has given you an ugly stain that those with proper eyes can clearly see. Time to become civil? --- Empress Jamyl I
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:54:00 - [30] Because God loved NRDS so much that He so commanded the Empire and CVA to practice NRDS... oh wait, the Amarr Empire isn't NRDS, ask any Jovian. Anyways, back on topic, we're supposed to be celebrating the death of Sylph.
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.07 15:00:00 - [31] Ugly stain? Get over yaself ya arrogant ****. There's one thing between us and NRDS in Provi - Paxton. The job ain't done until it's done.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:51:00 - [32] Edited by: Evanda Char on 07/05/2010 16:53:02 For those who don't know the history, I can explain a little about the betrayal Ugleb is talking about. A long time ago (at least by capsuleer standards, as many of us don't seem to last more than 2 years or so), Providence was almost entirely NRDS. CVA and a few of their allies occupied one side of the region, and Ushra'Khan and their allies occupied the other. At that time, Sylph were firmly allied with Ushra'Khan. Hel, we even had a corporation move from -EM- to Sylph to support Ushra'Khan after fighting down there in the Pirate Coalition war. If I remeber right, it was during the siege of QR-K85 that Sylph changed sides. CVA were besieging the system to capture "Karishal's Defiance," an outpost built to house the last remains of Karishal Muritor, a man who had been a hero of Republic Fleet before he became the leader of the Defiants and a hero to many outside the Republic, as well as many within. At a time when Ushra'Khan had a fleet commander who'd been flung unexpectedly into the position by the unavoidable absence of many of their old guard, who had been awake for three days straight... At a time when pilots were trapped inside a tiny system by bubbles on every gate... At a time when old allies were few and far between and new ones were still a little strange and unknown... Sylph joined up with CVA. If I've never forgotten that first sight of blues in CVA fleets shooting the blues I was flying with and the sheer confusion I felt at not knowing why, then I suspect Ushra'Khan remember it far more clearly. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Syyl'ara Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.05.08 16:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Ugly stain? Get over yaself ya arrogant ****. There's one thing between us and NRDS in Provi - Paxton. The job ain't done until it's done. Correction, Paxton and whatever excuse you come up with after that, which itself buys you more time to manufacture the next reason. Other entities maintain NRDS while engaged in open hostilities, why is U'K incapable of the same? Also, what happened to the whole "no more sov warfare in provi" that was supposed to be getting enforced? Didn't some of these entities negotiate their way into being part of the new ant-farm playland?
Veronique Devereaux	Posted - 2010.05.08 21:48:00 - [34] Congratulations on this latest victory, freedom fighters.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.09 08:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Syyl'ara Correction, Paxton and whatever excuse you come up with after that Yawn. Stopped reading right there. _______________________ We come for our people!
Codo Yagari Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.09 14:45:00 - [36] Edited by: Codo Yagari on 09/05/2010 14:47:28 Even the Minmatar Republic has turned it's back on U'K and it's outrageous NBSI, and rightly so. With that policy adopted, you took the step over to chaos and the ways of the pirate. I only hope you will come back. I respect your freedom fight, I truly do. The Yagari's have never embraced slavery. But as a fighter against indecency, I cannot stand by and accept my fellow citizens of New Eden, be they Gallente, Caldari, Minmatar or whoever, being shot down for no reason. Everybody has the right to fly freely in this galaxy, without some rouge movement shooting them down because they lost track of what is right. Go NRDS now, and win back some of your lost respect. For a United New Eden! Codo Yagari --- Empress Jamyl I
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:19:00 - [37] Originally by: ANDYB1972 Edited by: ANDYB1972 on 06/05/2010 21:53:16 LMAO have uk become blinded by there own lies that the truth is now clouded. MAGGOT you talk of sylph being s**and how we watched you get beat by cva and then turned on uk, you talk of nieghbours yes we were nieghbours and friends, we didnt stab uk in the back you let your backward cousin's come and stay and allowed them to ** on our flower beds and steal our lawn mower, and when we chased them back over the fence to tell them off you got upset. now how do i know this? simple because it was me back in my sylph days that came to 9uy to claim back my lawn mower from a certain mr davik kurchek and that sparked the whole thing That isn't quite correct is it. You were cheerfully sucking up to CVA and not assisting U'K. As such the alliance I was in at the time did not set you blue. However out of respect for U'K we did not engage your hilarious hordes of fail within U'K space. You then thought you could come into U'K space and shoot people actively helping U'K to defend their stations, and when that went wrong you then joined CVA in their attempts to wipe out U'K. How well that has worked, I'm glad to see your worthless alliance dead.
Wayward Daughter Swords of the Righteous	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:59:00 - [38] Congratulations are due the victor. I believe that God may use even this tragedy to shake up the world.
Nightshade Mary Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.09 18:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Codo Yagari Go NRDS now, and win back some of your lost respect. Codo Yagari What makes you think we'd want the respect of the slime that is slavers? ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Codo Yagari Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.09 21:35:00 - [40] Edited by: Codo Yagari on 09/05/2010 21:36:14 I was referring to get respect back from the everyday citizens of New Eden, regardless of race. I'd rather have a good Minmatar friend than a heartless Amarrian, if you see my point. --- Empress Jamyl I
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.09 22:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 09/05/2010 21:36:14 I was referring to get respect back from the everyday citizens of New Eden, regardless of race. I'd rather have a good Minmatar friend than a heartless Amarrian, if you see my point. Of course she doesn't see your point. You're one of "the bad guys", so anything you say is a lie or a trick.
Nightshade Mary Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.12 07:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Lyris Nairn Originally by: Codo Yagari Edited by: Codo Yagari on 09/05/2010 21:36:14 I was referring to get respect back from the everyday citizens of New Eden, regardless of race. I'd rather have a good Minmatar friend than a heartless Amarrian, if you see my point. Of course she doesn't see your point. You're one of "the bad guys", so anything you say is a lie or a trick. The perception of good and evil is always tainted by personal opinion. Therefore I will not make any claims on this. However, people have the right to choose their own destiny. This means that obstacles that impede this right have to be removed with any means necessary. Freedom is the greater good, if the pursuit of freedom garners respect, wonderful. If not, so be it; it is the path we chose. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.12 08:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Nightshade Mary However, people have the right to choose their own destiny. This means that obstacles that impede this right have to be removed with any means necessary. I'm a bit unclear how this works out in practice. Say I choose to be the best player at a certain game, but I find other are continually beating me, should I then remove those who impede my right to be the best player by any means necessary? How about you? Say you want to be the absolute leader of Ushra'Khan? Is it then your right to remove anyone who stand in your path by any means neccessary? I'm sure that is not what you meant to say. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Nightshade Mary Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.12 09:43:00 - [44] Edited by: Nightshade Mary on 12/05/2010 09:44:17 Originally by: Merdaneth I'm sure that is not what you meant to say. You are right, my fingers were lagging behind my mind. Of course unneeded harm should be avoided. I'll elaborate. Let's take your example of a certain game. You have the freedom to play the game, or not. Everyone is within the mutually agreed rules, forceful removal of all others is not an option here. Now for example an innocent Matari, removed from his home at gunpoint, made to work for his captor, tortured if he doesn't comply. No mutual agreement has been achieved, no crime was committed by the Matari, so he is being held without cause. In this case, him trying to achieve his freedom by any means necessary is appropriate. Now your last example; the absolute leader of Ushra'Khan. If this is even possible, it is not something I aspire to, so I cannot theorize about it. EDIT: Fixed my poor typing skills ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Codo Yagari	Posted - 2010.05.19 05:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Nightshade Mary The perception of good and evil is always tainted by personal opinion. Therefore I will not make any claims on this. ... Freedom is the greater good, if the pursuit of freedom garners respect, wonderful. If not, so be it; it is the path we chose. Good and Evil are not subjects of personal opinion, they are the same always. Now, of course that may be percieved differently by some. ... The greater good is to be able to look beyond your own self, and put others in front of your own needs. Obvsiously, it is impossible not to sympathize with the fate of the slave and those that fight to liberate them. I only wish that you would stop targetting innocent bystanders. Afterall, the universe is a great place. You cant expect everyone to care for your cause, and use this as an excuse to eliminate them if they enter the zones where you do warfare. It's just a shame, because if Ushra'Khan adopted to true NRDS, then it would be almost impossible not to sympathize with them. As it stands now, it is easy to hate them, especially for the common man of New Eden. All sympathies for the slaves, but to sympathize with U'K when they kill innocents? That's just not going to work. Try not only to win the freedom of your brothers and sisters, but also the hearts of those that just are passing on by. Afterall, it would be a good deed. Adopt universal NRDS now! regards, Codo Yagari Yulai Guard CO --- Empress Jamyl I
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.19 07:38:00 - [46] There is a big difference between "sympathizing" with the enslaved and actually doing something about it. We do not care about the "public opinion", our fight is not so that we would be liked or respected. We fight for those who also do not care about opinions because they themselves are not allowed to have one. We do not debate, or discuss or deliberate endlessly how slavery is awful and how we sympathize with the plight of the enslaved. We load our 1400mm guns and blow the enslavers out of the sky, that's what we do. Talk is cheap. You may think less of us for that, but those we free do not, and that's all that matters.
Ranis Garr Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.24 09:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Syyl'ara Also, what happened to the whole "no more sov warfare in provi" that was supposed to be getting enforced? Didn't some of these entities negotiate their way into being part of the new ant-farm playland? Hmm. A fair point. As a former resident of Amarrian Providence, I can say that CVA and friends were far from the schoolyard bullies. They were what made it possible for people to live in Providence without fear of being shot at due to "lack-of-blue-symbol." This Ant-Farm Providence quite a few steps back in the wrong direction. For me, I view U'K as being the guy who got picked on in grade-school and who becomes so bitter at the world, that he turns up at the loading dock with a gun to terrorize his former classmates. CVA created and maintained a noble Providence. U'K have turned it into this "Ant-Farm" that hides them from their true treachery. I wish the Curse of BoB, Goons, and ASCN upon U'K. It will happen.... watch.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 09:22:00 - [48] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 09:22:49 Originally by: Ranis Garr I wish the Curse of BoB, Goons, and ASCN upon U'K. It will happen.... watch. Comparing U'K to BoB, Goonswarm and ASCN is to massively over-estimate their power. U'K are in Providence for only as long as -A- permit them to stay there. It's truly ironic that in order to overthrow the imperial order in Providence they've ended up allying themselves with a far more regressive regime. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Ituralde Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 09:22:49 Originally by: Ranis Garr I wish the Curse of BoB, Goons, and ASCN upon U'K. It will happen.... watch. Comparing U'K to BoB, Goonswarm and ASCN is to massively over-estimate their power. U'K are in Providence for only as long as -A- permit them to stay there. So was CVA, they were gone pretty quick as soon as -A- decided to pull the plug on them. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
BloodBird Nova Foundry	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Ranis Garr I wish the Curse of BoB, Goons, and ASCN upon U'K. It will happen.... watch. As a supporter of an entity that apparently packed up and fleed their space without a fight a soon as a bigger entity decided to punish them for their arrogance, you do not have the right to reffer to ASCN's fate as a 'curse'. There are many things I can say about ASCN, most of them negative. But they had a big home to protect and did so nearly unto the very end. I know that, because I was there for it. As for traitors and their deserved fates, I'll shed no tears for Sylph. They remind me of CORM, to be honest. They got what was coming to them too. That's how karma works. CVA's enslaved Imperial Providence is gone. Good riddance. ------------------------------------- Alexander Kamy· Allisieer - CO-founder, NOVAF
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Rodj Blake Comparing U'K to BoB, Goonswarm and ASCN is to massively over-estimate their power. U'K are in Providence for only as long as -A- permit them to stay there. There isn't a force in New Eden that could eliminate U'K's presence from Provi. Originally by: Rodj Blake It's truly ironic that in order to overthrow the imperial order in Providence they've ended up allying themselves with a far more regressive regime. It's been said many times now, U'K put their money where their mouth is and agreed to work with anyone to end the Imperial regime in Provi.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Kazzzi It's been said many times now, U'K put their money where their mouth is and agreed to work with anyone to end the Imperial regime in Provi. I don't believe you should speak in a thread titled 'fate of traitors'. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Kazzzi Originally by: Rodj Blake Comparing U'K to BoB, Goonswarm and ASCN is to massively over-estimate their power. U'K are in Providence for only as long as -A- permit them to stay there. There isn't a force in New Eden that could eliminate U'K's presence from Provi. It's happened before, and it will happen again. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.05.24 22:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Ituralde So was CVA, they were gone pretty quick as soon as -A- decided to pull the plug on them. -A-, plus a plethora of pet alliances/corps attacking providence from all sides. -A- alone would not have achieved this.
Vlad Cetes Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 22:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Ituralde So was CVA, they were gone pretty quick as soon as -A- decided to pull the plug on them. -A-, plus a plethora of pet alliances/corps attacking providence from all sides. -A- alone would not have achieved this. Stop lying. 100 dead capitals proved the might of -A-, and -A- alone. Or did you forget that fight, which utterly broke the back of any resistance.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.05.24 23:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Vlad Cetes Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Ituralde So was CVA, they were gone pretty quick as soon as -A- decided to pull the plug on them. -A-, plus a plethora of pet alliances/corps attacking providence from all sides. -A- alone would not have achieved this. Stop lying. 100 dead capitals proved the might of -A-, and -A- alone. Or did you forget that fight, which utterly broke the back of any resistance. Not quite, I do believe CVA hashed it out to the very end, and in the end it was -A- and pets that won providence. Despite how bad that fight went for CVA, it by no means broke their back.
Vlad Cetes Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 23:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Vlad Cetes Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Ituralde So was CVA, they were gone pretty quick as soon as -A- decided to pull the plug on them. -A-, plus a plethora of pet alliances/corps attacking providence from all sides. -A- alone would not have achieved this. Stop lying. 100 dead capitals proved the might of -A-, and -A- alone. Or did you forget that fight, which utterly broke the back of any resistance. Not quite, I do believe CVA hashed it out to the very end, and in the end it was -A- and pets that won providence. Despite how bad that fight went for CVA, it by no means broke their back. If by hashed out, you mean refused to engage and let their stations fall, you are correct.
Kava	Posted - 2010.05.25 00:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Vlad Cetes Stop lying. 100 dead capitals proved the might of -A-, and -A- alone. Or did you forget that fight, which utterly broke the back of any resistance. ooc You mean desynced fish in a barrel? People getting blown up 4 hours after they logged off etc. Of course AAA was going to stomp ProviBloc but that D-G fight is a bad example of might, you just look silly beating your chest over black-screened fish. But whatever floats your boat I guess, kinda AAAs theme song anyway innit?
Mel Lifera Gallente Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.05.25 00:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Ontaku Oroa We load our 1400mm guns and blow the enslavers out of the sky, that's what we do. And us non-enslavers?
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.25 08:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Mel Lifera Originally by: Ontaku Oroa We load our 1400mm guns and blow the enslavers out of the sky, that's what we do. And us non-enslavers? As I said, while Providence remains a warzone, neutral parties better pick their sides. In a war, people tend to open fire first, and ask questions later, if anyone survives. Once the situation stabilizes, I am sure U'K will return to the NRDS ROE, as it was before we opened the insurgency campaign in Providence quite some time ago. Keep in mind that Providence is no longer a forcibly unified block and U'K ROE may not apply to other forces residing within the region. Our main goal is to keep slavery from spreading outside of the boundaries of Amarr empire, not to police space for the benefit of assorted traders or what have you.
Chereadenine Zakalwe Caldari atrum ones	Posted - 2010.05.25 08:45:00 - [61] Edited by: Chereadenine Zakalwe on 25/05/2010 08:49:04 Originally by: Ontaku Oroa Once the situation stabilizes One of the new "holder" corp members told me that between organised (CVA/PXF etc) roaming gangs and the various other combat groups operating in the area. Providence was a hellhole and that he (and various other corp members) were less than pleased that their CEO moved them there. During the conversation, said pilot told me they were desperate to recruit any meatshield possible,to help take the weight off the remaing corp pilots ô您&# Telling somebody you love them is like firing first in a dual. Your screwed if you miss..
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.25 10:35:00 - [62] Sounds like an informed opinion. New Providence is populated. It's working. Sorry you're bitter about that, but we really don't care what you think. The facts and figures speak for themselves. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Chereadenine Zakalwe Caldari atrum ones	Posted - 2010.05.25 10:54:00 - [63] Edited by: Chereadenine Zakalwe on 25/05/2010 10:54:24 Not bitter my friend. Just speaking from first hand experience. Now you have facts and figures you say..care to share them? ô您&# Telling somebody you love them is like firing first in a dual. Your screwed if you miss..
Rorin Cutter Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Ituralde Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 09:22:49 Originally by: Ranis Garr I wish the Curse of BoB, Goons, and ASCN upon U'K. It will happen.... watch. Comparing U'K to BoB, Goonswarm and ASCN is to massively over-estimate their power. U'K are in Providence for only as long as -A- permit them to stay there. So was CVA, they were gone pretty quick as soon as -A- decided to pull the plug on them. I think that everyone can agree that the Holder Alliances and CVA are neither ôgone pretty quickö nor whatever else you care to claim. We will never leave; we will never stop fighting for the God and the Empire. Originally by: Ontaku Oroa Originally by: Mel Lifera Originally by: Ontaku Oroa We load our 1400mm guns and blow the enslavers out of the sky, that's what we do. And us non-enslavers? As I said, while Providence remains a warzone, neutral parties better pick their sides. In a war, people tend to open fire first, and ask questions later, if anyone survives. Once the situation stabilizes, I am sure U'K will return to the NRDS ROE, as it was before we opened the insurgency campaign in Providence quite some time ago. Keep in mind that Providence is no longer a forcibly unified block and U'K ROE may not apply to other forces residing within the region. Our main goal is to keep slavery from spreading outside of the boundaries of Amarr empire, not to police space for the benefit of assorted traders or what have you. UÆK has never been NRDS, and if any corporation or alliance that wishÆs to live in Providence, and believes the propaganda that UÆK is NRDS, I truly feel for them. Some good news though, is that Holders/CVA have not changed there ROE. We continue to be as always NRDS. We still police the pirates and the terrorists that infest Providence and lowsec Amarrian space. Even the threat of evil hoards from the south, will not keep us from continuing to serve God and the Empire. So rest assured, if you visit, or do business in Providence we will not shoot first if you are neutral to us. Amarr Victor!
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:06:00 - [65] Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 25/05/2010 11:07:27 Originally by: Chereadenine Zakalwe Edited by: Chereadenine Zakalwe on 25/05/2010 10:54:24 Not bitter my friend. Just speaking from first hand experience. Is this first hand experience of the previous, old providence, where a gormless blob of hundreds of pilots descend on a 15 strong roaming gang to "protect their interests" at the order of corrupt masters? All I see is another bitter ex resident twisting anonymous words to attempt a minor, pointless piece of propaganda. The facts and figures that work for instance lets see: PXF relocated by the hands of the combined forces of new providence - Check Sov Map that looks like an explosion in a paint factory - Check Roaming gangs in the area enjoying 0.0 pvp - Check Miners and ratters able to read intel channels usually staying mostly safe - Check. Most Providence Corps neutral / red to each other but set blue to fight common enemies - Check. No foolish bully alliances succeeding in land-grabs from weaker entities - Check I'd say the Peoples Republic Of new Providence is pretty successful. it sounds like your "friends" are not cut out for 0.0 life and should go back to the illusionary safety empire where you don't need to pay attention to make money. Quote: I think that everyone can agree that the Holder Alliances and CVA are neither ôgone pretty quickö I don't know, Losing 27 station systems in 2 weeks is definitely one definition of "gone pretty quick" and I suspect the one my honourable comrade was referring too.
Sarius Deteis The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Chereadenine Zakalwe Edited by: Chereadenine Zakalwe on 25/05/2010 10:54:24 Not bitter my friend. Just speaking from first hand experience. Now you have facts and figures you say..care to share them? I myself would like to see Butter Dog's facts and figures. If none can be produced then I suggest that he stop sending communications to this channel, because it only hurts his own credibility, and that of those he represents. Amarr Victory WTB 8 lowslot Inty
Kava	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:33:00 - [67] Edited by: Kava on 25/05/2010 11:34:09 Originally by: Iteken Hotori Is this first hand experience of the previous, old providence, where a gormless blob of hundreds of pilots descend on a 15 strong roaming gang to "protect their interests" at the order of corrupt masters? I wonder who is bitter... ProviBloc (blob) descended upon pirates in their own space, protecting neutrals and blues living there from harm (when they could). How is that wrong. Do you not protect your space? And AAA has no right speaking of corrupt masters and false propaganda! Look to your own house pilot! Originally by: Iteken Hotori No foolish bully alliances succeeding in land-grabs from weaker entities - Check Look to your own house indeed haha
Rorin Cutter Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:44:00 - [68] Originally by: Iteken Hotori Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 25/05/2010 11:08:08 Quote: I think that everyone can agree that the Holder Alliances and CVA are neither ôgone pretty quickö. I don't know, Losing 27 station systems in 2 weeks is definitely one definition of "gone pretty quick" and I suspect the one my honourable comrade was referring too. I donÆt know my worthy southern adversary, evacuating all assets from northern coalition space after only a few weeksÆ fits better to ôgone pretty quickö. CVA and the Holder alliance are still here our assets are still here, and we are still bringing the battle to all the terrorists, and the pirate organizations that support them. Whether from lowsec, hisec, or nullsec, we will not stop serving God, and the Empire, and we will never leave Providence. http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s72/rorincutter/Cutter-Drew.jpg
Disease U Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.25 12:44:00 - [69] Edited by: Disease U on 25/05/2010 12:44:48 Originally by: Suitonia Sylph died when Drakmor handed over the reigns to the alliance. Yep, true. Everything started to fall apart, after Drakmor left.
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:23:00 - [70] Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 25/05/2010 14:26:35 Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 25/05/2010 14:25:22 Originally by: Kava Originally by: Iteken Hotori No foolish bully alliances succeeding in land-grabs from weaker entities - Check Look to your own house indeed haha Kava you should check your history. The words of liars and honourless change not the fact it was Providence that attacked Soverignty of their neighbours, and when they were soundly whipped for the insolence, refused to call off their own destruction. protecting ones borders is a basic human right, one we chose to exercise. Now, to the matters of adults: Rorin. I understand both your fire, and the amusement you must gain from the re-alignment of many local, and not so local power blocks, but revisionism is never pretty, especially with facts so close too hand. Being publicly lain low by a supposed leader of an alliance within days of the main assault beginning, and being all but absent whilst a few brave holders fought, and died to defend their part of your slaver empire, then to return months later only to ensure the annihilation of your remaining ally is a strange way of claiming to have "been here all along". Congratulations are deservedly awarded however, for capitalising on the failures of local alliances to properly protect their Concord based Sovereignty claiming devices, allowing you to contest sovereignty in not one but two systems you controlled. How you can claim though, to be fighting against terrorists and pirates however, considering the forces of 0utbreak and Genos aligned with you is beyond this simple pilot. However if there is one thing the recent conflicts have taught me is words, especially at the beginning, mean nothing. Any bold, foolish soul can claim to be in it for the long haul, having done little. Make no mistake, you have a hell of a fight ahead, and I hope I can kill you myself some day, however at the moment, the Honorless Northerners must feel my wrath. http://i44.tinypic.com/oitz47.jpg See you in space. Again.
Kava	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:45:00 - [71] Originally by: Iteken Hotori Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 25/05/2010 14:26:35 Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 25/05/2010 14:25:22 Originally by: Kava Originally by: Iteken Hotori No foolish bully alliances succeeding in land-grabs from weaker entities - Check Look to your own house indeed haha Kava you should check your history. The words of liars and honourless change not the fact it was Providence that attacked Soverignty of their neighbours, and when they were soundly whipped for the insolence, refused to call off their own destruction. protecting ones borders is a basic human right, one we chose to exercise. Now, to the matters of adults: Nowhere did I dispute your reasons for kicking CVA in the teeth. You choose to answer with propaganda and excuses not asked. In the previous communication you complained about Provibloc Blobbing pilots when providence was under their rule. :thehorror: And I found that funny considering what you did next, its called irony... you being the blobbing bully alliance:)if you need it spelled out So when ProviBloc did it, it was a blob/unfair/corrupt but when you do it, its Justice and fair? Got it o/ Also, demeaning me as a child only strengthens your super cool bully image... Besides, I love being a child! Its so much better then you serial grown up types
Hori To T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2010.05.25 18:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Rorin Cutter UÆK has never been NRDS Lie
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:27:00 - [73] Originally by: Sarius Deteis I myself would like to see Butter Dog's facts and figures. If none can be produced then I suggest that he stop sending communications to this channel, because it only hurts his own credibility, and that of those he represents. Fact: The combined population of New Providence sov holding entites is greater than the CVA Providence Fact: More alliances now hold sov in Providence than did before Fact: No one alliance holds the 'lions share' of the region as CVA once did Fact: Over 50,000 sansha pirates have been killed in the last 24 hours New Providence is working. The old regime is dead. Long live this free region! ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:39:00 - [74] Originally by: Butter Dog Fact: The combined population of New Providence sov holding entites is greater than the CVA Providence You mean actual population, or theoretical population? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:46:00 - [75] Originally by: Butter Dog Fact: The combined population of New Providence sov holding entites is greater than the CVA Providence I've not done the math (and I'm loath to take this at face value, to be honest) but the fact is meaningless: what made old Provi great (and prosperous) was the non-holding population. Originally by: Butter Dog Fact: More alliances now hold sov in Providence than did before The interpretation of this fact as supports your assertions is entirely subjective. Particularly in the light of on-going collapses of Provi sov-holders. Originally by: Butter Dog Fact: No one alliance holds the 'lions share' of the region as CVA once did Also an entirely subjective metric as supports your thesis. Originally by: Butter Dog Fact: Over 50,000 sansha pirates have been killed in the last 24 hours A count not solely attributable to the "New Providence" holders, I assure you
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:31:00 - [76] Edited by: Ontaku Oroa on 25/05/2010 21:32:12 The prosperity of the region is less important than kicking the slaver s****out of it. Industrial and economic indexes serve only as indicators of suffering if they are based on slave labour. I would rather see a desolate, but free Providence, than a tighly packed but enslaved one. That Providence still thrives is a fortunate bonus, however, ultimately irrelevant to the cause we fight for.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:49:00 - [77] Originally by: Ontaku Oroa I would rather see a desolate, but free Providence, than a tighly packed but enslaved one. So noted.
ShadowandLight Amarr 142nd GhostRiders	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:21:00 - [78] the "Noir" Sov systems have zero Noir living in them 95% of the time. Its completed rented out. New Providence is working my Amarrian Ass Works for me though, tons of targets when I get time to jump into a ship
Chereadenine Zakalwe Caldari atrum ones	Posted - 2010.05.26 00:32:00 - [79] Originally by: Butter Dog Fact: The combined population of New Providence sov holding entites is greater than the CVA Providence The population of the holders may be greater, but as for the amount of pilots active in Providence.... Originally by: Butter Dog The old regime is dead Clearly sombody has been overdoing the Crysal Egg ô您&# Telling somebody you love them is like firing first in a dual. Your screwed if you miss..
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.26 09:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Kava And I found that funny considering what you did next, its called irony... you being the blobbing bully alliance:)if you need it spelled out So when ProviBloc did it, it was a blob/unfair/corrupt but when you do it, its Justice and fair? You are aware of course, that at the beginning of operation "Die Ammar scum" CVA and it's Pets, renters, holders and miscelanious allies outnumbered the AAA/U'K/Atlas block approximately 2:3, in real, on the field, fleet numbers. though knowing how Aralis, adn his zealots twist words, i'm sure it's an easy leap of 'faith' to redefine the defeat of Operation Deliverance as Bullying. That those numbers dwindled to naught after a few defeats is not our concern. You were warned repeatedly not to get into this. You were offered multiple exits. That you chose to run, hide and cower in the shade of your precious veldspar was not our concern either. Quote: Got it o/ One day, I hope you will understand. A previous CVA leader
Kava	Posted - 2010.05.26 10:44:00 - [81] Edited by: Kava on 26/05/2010 10:51:46 Originally by: Iteken Hotori Originally by: Kava And I found that funny considering what you did next, its called irony... you being the blobbing bully alliance:)if you need it spelled out So when ProviBloc did it, it was a blob/unfair/corrupt but when you do it, its Justice and fair? You are aware of course, that at the beginning of operation "Die Ammar scum" CVA and it's Pets, renters, holders and miscelanious allies outnumbered the AAA/U'K/Atlas block approximately 2:3, in real, on the field, fleet numbers. though knowing how Aralis, adn his zealots twist words, i'm sure it's an easy leap of 'faith' to redefine the defeat of Operation Deliverance as Bullying. That those numbers dwindled to naught after a few defeats is not our concern. You were warned repeatedly not to get into this. You were offered multiple exits. That you chose to run, hide and cower in the shade of your precious veldspar was not our concern either. Quote: Got it o/ One day, I hope you will understand. No no you misunderstand, again. You whined about CVA blobbing/bullying when they ruled Providence, CVA said its fair. You blobbed/bullied CVA (they whine) and you say its fair. Irony comes a knockin. But instead (again) you have to throw out propaganda you yourself accuse CVA of and yet again answer questions not asked... Irony beats down the door and knocks you on your head with a ironically clad twobyfour. Got it? Ps. yes I realise its irony all over if you go by further back and back, but then I can bring up old stuff to, then you bring up **** in the past and then Butter dog chimes in and before you know it Jade posts a wall of text and we all loose.
DirtyDirty88 Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.26 11:37:00 - [82] * Eats a cracker *
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.26 12:05:00 - [83] Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 26/05/2010 12:07:37 Originally by: Kava ... drivel ... You sound bitter. The exact words used to describe that you term the "proviBlob" are: a gormless blob of hundreds of pilots descend on a 15 strong roaming gang to "protect their interests" at the order of corrupt masters? Is there any chance we can get the old Galnet posters back? I rather enjoyed intellectual discussions with members of Genos, -7-, even CVA. Cowardly alts who think they are clever really are the bottom of the barrel. With posting like that I'd have suspected you'd be in CAOD.
Kava	Posted - 2010.05.26 12:28:00 - [84] Originally by: Iteken Hotori Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 26/05/2010 12:07:37 Originally by: Kava ... drivel ... You sound bitter. Cowardly alts who think they are clever really are the bottom of the barrel. With posting like that I'd have suspected you'd be in CAOD. I'm not the one using memes... You are very hostile mr Hotori but I will try to offer an opinion down here from the bottom of the barrel, don't bully me to much if I do: I'm an alt (as my main body has lost her voice due to much crying and yelling at people...) but AAA is **! Not quite as as CVA but at least the know they are **. You are just going through the motions. wow, now I came out hostile
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard	Posted - 2010.05.26 14:16:00 - [85] Edited by: Codo Yagari on 26/05/2010 14:17:28 By disregarding civilization and neutral bystanders, by disregarding the laws of common sense and courtesy, the Ushra'Khan are acting selfish. If you were truly strong, you would target the problem only. Not the problem + all in a 10km radius of it. After all, you do have a choise between the two strategies here presented. Ask yourselves, what is freedom if you dont have your soul? Embrace NRDS today!!
DirtyDirty88 Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.26 19:37:00 - [86] One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. There are bound to be biased opinions from both sides, i just can't see why even today, I still hear complaining about the actions of Khan versus Sylph. Lets get the facts straight. 1. Sylph is dead. Completely. No denying it, and in my opinion, assigning blame does nothing to negate that fact. 2. Sylph were tools, in every sense of the word and I for one am glad to see them gone. No more of them to hide in station when the might of Matari strolled through on routine Patrols. 3. Ushra'Khan maintains NRDS as this is the only means of making sure the enemy does not send neutral pilots as spies to our systems. 4. We do not have to answer to anyone one who says we are dishonorable, as it was sylph who cast the first stone.

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