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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:48:00 -
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Complex name: Integrated Terminus (class 4) might be worth another look at. Perhaps instead of destroying it, has anyone used modules on it? Like code breaker, analyser and trained up Talocan and Sleeper skills? its one of the few sites I have not tested with code breaker & analyser.
ôWith the terminalÆs destruction, knowledge is scattered, data strewn in thousand of directions. There are no answers here; only debris remains. Secrets have been lost to the void, perhaps containing among them some key to salvation from this bleak existence.ö
ThatÆs written to me in a way that suggest destroying it was wrong and lost the info. Has anyone tried interacting with the structure in different ways?
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Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp Black Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 12:07:33
The second planet in the VH-451 system #2 is bought #3 by people from the Tau Ceti system #4. The third planet in the VH-451 system is bought by a megacorporation. Small-scale colonization starts soon after. #5.
4) The Gallente are sometimes referred to as the Frenchmen of Tau Ceti.
5) This sounds like this must be Luminaire, except for Gallente & Caldari Prime are the 6th & 7th Planets respectively. Planets 2 & 3 are Temperate planets as well. This raises a question why are different planets now dominant ?
The gallente are the settlers from Tau Ceti, the megacorp-bought planet later sparked the Caldari race.
Same document, next page:
Quote: AD 22588 * The Gallente and the Caldari build their first stargate out of VH-451, sparking a period of expansion which mostly benefits the Gallente
So it clear that VH-451 = Luminaire. The planet numbers are most probably a simple oversight.
Cala
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Terokone
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2010.07.21 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Calapine
Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 12:07:33
The second planet in the VH-451 system #2 is bought #3 by people from the Tau Ceti system #4. The third planet in the VH-451 system is bought by a megacorporation. Small-scale colonization starts soon after. #5.
4) The Gallente are sometimes referred to as the Frenchmen of Tau Ceti.
5) This sounds like this must be Luminaire, except for Gallente & Caldari Prime are the 6th & 7th Planets respectively. Planets 2 & 3 are Temperate planets as well. This raises a question why are different planets now dominant ?
The gallente are the settlers from Tau Ceti, the megacorp-bought planet later sparked the Caldari race.
Same document, next page:
Quote: AD 22588 * The Gallente and the Caldari build their first stargate out of VH-451, sparking a period of expansion which mostly benefits the Gallente
So it clear that VH-451 = Luminaire. The planet numbers are most probably a simple oversight.
Cala
There's a little bit more assumed oversight, though. If you look at the timeline, VH-451 was bought before the Eve wormhole opened. This might have been for another part of the story that never got developed, though. Like the other scientific articles I had used awhile ago, the timeline is likely out of date, with the exception of a few things.
Then again, maybe VH-451 was used, but is now one of the WH systems. At this point, though, I find it hard to trust the backstory. Even in my own stories, I tend to change the backstory as I write.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.21 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Terokone
There's a little bit more assumed oversight, though. If you look at the timeline, VH-451 was bought before the Eve wormhole opened.
What source are you use for that ?
As far as I can see:
AD 7987 * The wormhole leading to the world of EVE is discovered.
AD 7989 * The first explorers venture through the wormhole. The second planet in the VH-451 system is bought by people from the Tau Ceti system .
AD 8061 * EVE gate collapses.
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Aynen
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Posted - 2010.07.21 18:48:00 -
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Here's a thought: The Terran weapon that the Empress found near the collapsed Eve gate makes shields implode. The sleepers don't have shields for no other appearant reason. Could it be that at the time when the Eve gate was still open, the Sleepers where at war with the Terran, and a battle took place between them at the Eve gate?
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Terokone
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
What source are you use for that ?
Timeline But I see where I got confused. The timeline on the Eve online website is different than the timeline on the wiki.
Although I err on the side of caution around wiki's, CCP's contributions to it tells me that it's probably more accurate.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.22 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Complex name: Integrated Terminus (class 4) might be worth another look at. Perhaps instead of destroying it, has anyone used modules on it? Like code breaker, analyser and trained up Talocan and Sleeper skills? its one of the few sites I have not tested with code breaker & analyser.
ôWith the terminalÆs destruction, knowledge is scattered, data strewn in thousand of directions. There are no answers here; only debris remains. Secrets have been lost to the void, perhaps containing among them some key to salvation from this bleak existence.ö
ThatÆs written to me in a way that suggest destroying it was wrong and lost the info. Has anyone tried interacting with the structure in different ways?
I usually skip this anomaly in my C4 anomaly farming. I will investigate this the next time I come across the anomaly (2 frontier barracks tonight ).
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Stegas Tyrano
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2010.07.22 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Stegas Tyrano on 22/07/2010 09:35:24
Quote: Here's a thought: The Terran weapon that the Empress found near the collapsed Eve gate makes shields implode. The sleepers don't have shields for no other appearant reason. Could it be that at the time when the Eve gate was still open, the Sleepers where at war with the Terran, and a battle took place between them at the Eve gate?
That is most probably the case. The novel says it turns the shields against the ship causing them to implode inwards.
Other likely reasons are due to shields consuming power to stay on.
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Karak Terrel
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:42:00 -
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After some days i finally reached the end of the thread
There are some things to "Oruze" i noticed:
Oruze Enclave There are other research labs and they'r name starts with "Research" but this starts with "Oruze"? Can we then say that this is actually NO research lab and the sections DO Solar Engineering, Photoelectrical Engineering and Thermovoltaics? Solar Engineering which may contain the modification of stars (building of a star is essentially fusion and we already have that), increasing the solar output. This would explain why there are so many "dead" stars like red giants, pulsars, blackholes... cause increased star output would let them die quicker. Or they explicitly experimented with this dead stars as an energy source? And that could also explain why they preferred this region in the first place? Photoelectrical Engineering may relate to research how to get energy from the radiation of stars or dead stars. Thermovoltaics may relate to research about how to get energy from the heat of stars or dead stars.
So my first thought is that "Oruze" has something to do with or means "Energy" or accumulation and storage of Energy.
Oruze Osobnyk So if i look at the Oruze Osobnyk what puzzles me is that there is only one Thermoelectric Converter which usually seams to be the power source for all the sleeper systems. Maybe that construct itself is a massive energy harvester? Or has Oruze nothing at all to do with Energy? Are this the same enclaves like the "Oruze Enclave"? Why is the central enclave modified? Is this the storage? If the produce and store energy, how is it stored? Isogen-5?
Oruze Construct That looks like the central Part of a Oruze Osobnyk. Is that only the storage Part?
Yeah, i know, wild speculation and more questions than something else. But i hope this helps someone else to expand his ideas about the topic and maybe find other hints and questions.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Project Daedalid
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Complex name: Integrated Terminus (class 4) might be worth another look at. Perhaps instead of destroying it, has anyone used modules on it? Like code breaker, analyser and trained up Talocan and Sleeper skills? its one of the few sites I have not tested with code breaker & analyser.
ôWith the terminalÆs destruction, knowledge is scattered, data strewn in thousand of directions. There are no answers here; only debris remains. Secrets have been lost to the void, perhaps containing among them some key to salvation from this bleak existence.ö
ThatÆs written to me in a way that suggest destroying it was wrong and lost the info. Has anyone tried interacting with the structure in different ways?
From Wikipedia: Terminus is a Latin word that literally means boundary stone. It may also be used to describe the end of a road.
Hmm, the End of the Line, perhaps?
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminus_(god)
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminus_(god)
Nice one. I hadnt been there yet. Also Jupiter is funny.
I paid my first ever visit to The Mirror yesterday and going there looking around yourself really makes a difference. I actually have a pretty good theory about what it does. Even the name makes sense. Still dont know what Oruze means though.
Sorry for the lack of info but I have a feeling that Im getting close to whatever it is that is at the end of this.
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Veryez
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Posted - 2010.07.22 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Karak Terrel After some days i finally reached the end of the thread
There are some things to "Oruze" i noticed:
Oruze Enclave There are other research labs and they'r name starts with "Research" but this starts with "Oruze"? Can we then say that this is actually NO research lab and the sections DO Solar Engineering, Photoelectrical Engineering and Thermovoltaics? Solar Engineering which may contain the modification of stars (building of a star is essentially fusion and we already have that), increasing the solar output. This would explain why there are so many "dead" stars like red giants, pulsars, blackholes... cause increased star output would let them die quicker. Or they explicitly experimented with this dead stars as an energy source? And that could also explain why they preferred this region in the first place? Photoelectrical Engineering may relate to research how to get energy from the radiation of stars or dead stars. Thermovoltaics may relate to research about how to get energy from the heat of stars or dead stars.
I had explained this earlier, but perhaps people didn't understand what I was saying. Photoelectric (or more precisely the photoelectric effect) is one of the three ways that gammas interact with matter, it describes the interaction where a gamma ray, interacts with an atoms electron field, resulting in energy being transferred from the gamma ray to an electron, that in turn the electron releases this energy by emitting electromagnetic radiation in the form of light. Thermovoltaic refers to the extraction of energy from environments where there are large temperature differences.
Taken together they use gamma radiation from the sun, to produce light (and thus heat) then convert this heat to electricity. Not very efficient, but it does work. While I don't know what oruze means, this is obviously meant to show us how they power their structures.
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Karak Terrel
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Posted - 2010.07.22 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Veryez I had explained this earlier, but perhaps people didn't understand what I was saying.
Yeah, sorry, 16 sites of dens information and speculation caused some sort of buffer overflow in my head I have not noticed that
Originally by: Veryez
Taken together they use gamma radiation from the sun, to produce light (and thus heat) then convert this heat to electricity. Not very efficient, but it does work. While I don't know what oruze means, this is obviously meant to show us how they power their structures.
Only gamma radiation? So the inefficiency may be true for a normal sun, but should be better with dead stars like blackholes (if they accelerate matter) or pulsars maybe also for other anomalies we find in w-space.
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Veryez
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Posted - 2010.07.22 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Karak Terrel
Only gamma radiation? So the inefficiency may be true for a normal sun, but should be better with dead stars like blackholes (if they accelerate matter) or pulsars maybe also for other anomalies we find in w-space.
Well it could also be any photon, depending on what material it is interacting with, it is easily observed w/gamma rays. The stars produce huge amounts or photons across all spectra anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect if you want to read more.
What also hasn't been mentioned here is that while sleepers don't have shields, all their buildings do.
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Terokone
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:33:00 -
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Quote: Archive Enclave 1.1-3.3 Digital Backup Library 3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts 4.1 Theories of the EVE Gate 5.1 Talocan Technology 6.1-6.9 Emergent Ideologies
Communications Enclave 1.0-5.1 Microvirtual Transmission Sensor 5.2-5.5 Sensor Backup Systems 6.0 Operation Servers 7.0 Proliferation News Network Studios 8.0 Detransmission Clusters
Medical Enclave 1.0 Emergency 2.0-2.8 Triage 2.9 Stasis 3.0 Quarantine Sector A 4.0 Quarantine Sector B 4.0-9.2 Quarantine Sector C 9.3 Quarantine Sector X
Oruze Enclave 1.0 Solar Engineering 1.1 Photoelectrical Engineering 1.2 Thermovoltaics 1.3 Residential 1.4 Residential
Research Enclave - BioGenetics 1.0-3.2 Animal Cryogenic Research Laboratories 3.3-3.8 Holding Pens 4.0-6.0 De-animation Genealogy Research Library 7.0-8.0 Student Classrooms 9.0 Human Cryogenetic Applications
Research Enclave - Theoretical Genetics 1.0 Interdigital Neural Activity Laboratories 2.0 Multiple-Ancestry Research 3.0 Statistical Proliferation Archive 4.0 Datagenesis Procedures 5.0-8.0 Backup Servers 9.0 Mixed Intelligence Displays
Research Enclave - Virtual Genetics 1.0 Neurodegenerative Case Studies 2.0 Non-natural Teleology 3.0-4.7 Test Clinics 4.8 Bioinformatics Archive 4.9 Virtual Mutation 5.0-9.8 Emergent Systems
Security Enclave 1.0 Virtual Kinetic Research 2.0 Artificial Intelligence Perpetuation Technology 3.0-5.0 Interstellar Surveillance Task Force 6.0 Anti-Thermocryogenesis Research and Implementation 7.0 Modulation Navigation Network
Just had a random thought. What if we're looking at this information wrong. We're assuming the Sleepers weren't already an upload society by the time The Mirror was built, mostly due to the information within some of these enclaves: quarantine, neurodegenerative, etc.
Quarantine could mean virus quarantine, but perhaps not biological. What if a digital virus had infected the uploaded Sleepers, and they were being housed in the Quarantine mirror servers. And yes, triage would be related to this by, say, a virtual intelligent system that scanned the uploaded neural patterns for signs of the virus. Categorizing the quarantine sectors into A, B, C, and X seems to suggest levels of virus infection and/or neuralmortality status. A being beginning stages/recovery. B being severely infected. C being neural death imminent. X being neural death imminent or neural morgue. As C is the largest, it would seem the virus had claimed much of the uploaded populace. It's significantly larger than the residential servers. If the Sleeper society is still digitally alive, it can almost be assumed that the majority of the Sleeper neural-race is currently housed in Quarantine C.
Neurodegenerative research would focus on preventing uploaded neural patterns from degrading.
Animal cryogenics would be something similar to freezing an account, only this would be digitally freezing uploaded animal neural patterns.
Further theories could be made for the rest of the databanks along this line. The Sleeper drones would have served to build new Sleeper structures and harvest resources, as their nanotech was easily able to adapt to new configurations. The drones would also end up basically exploring the galaxy, defending the Sleeper neuro-lives in the structures while the Sleepers continued living their digital lives.
What if the Sleepers brought us here through the rogue drones and the wormholes to not defeat them, but help them? I know, the drones and turrets are hostile to everyone but pods and zephyrs.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/07/2010 08:25:23 Terokone said " We're assuming the Sleepers weren't already an upload society by the time The Mirror was built, mostly due to the information within some of these enclaves: quarantine, neurodegenerative, etc." Are we? I thought it was common knowledge the Sleepers have been an upload society long before The Mirror was built. Even right back in the empire sleeper lore which looks to predate the Wspace sleepers by a long time due to technology being much lower, at a wild guess I would say the Sleeper have been an upload society for 1000's of years. We had Sleepers in habitation as an upload society in VR in empire and still moved to wspace and advanced technology by 100's of years.
A big question I have not seen anyone or many ask is. How did the Sleepers and Talocan get to W-space and why did they choose to move to W space. Did they slow boat it as a migrant culture and/or in habitation. Did they use advance star gates, did they open wormholes from empire? Why did they abandon empire space? Well it makes sense why the Talocan left empire but why did the Sleepers? Perhaps we should look at how the Sleepers got to were they are now to understand what they are doing.
I am of the believe that what we have found is just an old abandoned Sleeper home. Just like the Sleepers abandoned Empire space and moved on leaving ruins about. They have abandoned w-space and moved on leaving ruins. We could meet another group of sleepers out there that are more advanced than the current lot. Long before wormhole opened I also said the Yan Jung appeared to have left empire for another kingdom. So could we find them out in deep space?
It would not surprise me if the Sleeper network is like a giant super computer and star gate network designed to move an entire civilisation. Possibly back or closer towards the Milky way. Another possibly is being an upload society they don't care about body much like us pod pilots. They upload them self and travel vast distances to new clone body's. The body's are just a host for the mind. The massive data conducts that seem to send data vast distances are just a way for Sleepers to travel about without ships. The Sleepers are just a step or three beyound pod pilot clone jumping.
Being in VR could have advantages. For example VR could run at a faster pace time wise then real life. 5 minutes in real life might be 5 hours in VR. That way a person in a body fully connected lives at a much faster rate and for effectively much longer. The body would still ages at a normal rate or slower due to being in habitation. Think of all the problems you can solve. You can have 100's if not 1000's of years to solve math problems, come up with solutions.
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Aynen
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Aynen on 23/07/2010 08:47:09 I don't think the sleepers where trying to get closer to the Milky Way. I think they where trying to flee from the Terrans, knowing they would return eventually. Or, they may have gone closer to the Milky Way to give the rest an early detection system in case the Terrans where going to get back by traveling the whole distance. For me, it's pretty much clear as daylight that the Terrans where at war with the Sleepers at some point. There's no other reason I can think of why the Sleepers would have no shields. Because of that war, it'd make little sense to me that the Sleepers would travel to the Milky Way, I mean, why travel to the heart of your enemy if you don't need to? Unless the Sleepers are a really vindictive race perhaps. Also, the expedition that lead them to where we find them now, I don't think it was ever finnished. I think the Talocan went with them (and maybe the Jove too) as a group, but along the way the group started fighting, and the endeavor ended in conflict.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.23 10:10:00 -
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Aynen said " For me, it's pretty much clear as daylight that the Terrans where at war with the Sleepers at some point. There's no other reason I can think of why the Sleepers would have no shields. Because of that war, it'd make little sense to me that the Sleepers would travel to the Milky Way, I mean, why travel to the heart of your enemy if you don't need to?" That seems a bit farfetched to me. The sleepers don't have shields due to a war over 15,000 years ago? A war we have zero evidence for? Surly a more likely and simple reason would be the main wormholes sleepers live in have a negative effect on shields and a positive effect on armour. For all we know the Sleepers and other race ships do have shields. Remember its only the drones that have no shields, just like our camera drones. We have not seen Sleeper ships so they could have shields. It's more likely that drones are just armoured drones without space for shield generators. As the drones have remote armour repairing tools to each other it makes more sense to focus on better armour plating then weaker armour and fitting shields. Considering wormhole effects and remote armour repairing it seems logical to me not to waste space and time on shields.
It's looking to me that the Sleepers like everyone else do not know much about the Terrans. The sleepers appear to be studying their past and looking at where they came from hence the interest in Terrans. Multiple-Ancestry Research would not really be something they need if they already know their past and were they came from.
Look at it from this point of view. The Sleepres are in empire space they move to W space then go. Look we had a war 10,000 odd years ago we better build drones without shields? Certainly not impossible but it seems farfetched and unlikely. I really find it hard to believe a race would flee from another race they have not seen in 15,000 years.
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Aynen
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Posted - 2010.07.23 10:40:00 -
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A friend of mine says that evidence that can be found at COSMOS sites concerning the Sleepers points to the possibility that the Sleepers evolved from the Terrans, which would also explain the lack of shields.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.23 11:04:00 -
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Aynen said " A friend of mine says that evidence that can be found at COSMOS sites concerning the Sleepers points to the possibility that the Sleepers evolved from the Terrans, which would also explain the lack of shields." I have only been though around 80% of Cosmos with the rest over the next few weeks but I have seen zero evidence for that, but it could well be in one of the bits I have yet to do. Could you get more info? If it's true I could like to confirm it.
Saying that technically haven't we all evolved from the Terrans? From what I have seen so far Sleeper tech in empire seems to be far more primitive then what little we know of Terran technology,.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.23 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/07/2010 11:12:50 Not sure if this is a full list. Talocan Technology modules we can build
Cactus Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Blueprint Desert Heat Heat Dissipation Field Blueprint Dyad' Co-Processor I Blueprint Glycerine' Shield Boost Amplifier Blueprint High Noon Heat Dissipation Amplifier Blueprint Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II Blueprint Large 'Sheriff' Shield Extender Blueprint Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender Blueprint Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster Blueprint Micro 'Trapper' Shield Extender Blueprint Nugget Ballistic Deflection Field Blueprint Poacher Photon Scattering Field Blueprint Posse Invulnerability Field Blueprint Prospector Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Blueprint Small 'Wolf' Shield Extender Blueprint Snake Eyes Explosion Dampening Field Blueprint Whiskey Explosion Dampening Amplifier Blueprint
That to me shows the Talocan at least used shields.
Sleeper Technology modules we can build
Digital Booster Rockets Blueprint Synthetic Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I Blueprint Limited Expanded 'Archiver' Cargo I Blueprint Synthetic Hull Conversion Reinforced Bulkheads I Blueprint Synthetic Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Blueprint Small 'Integrative' Hull Repair Unit Blueprint Medium 'Integrative' Hull Repair Unit Blueprint Large 'Integrative' Hull Repair Unit Blueprint Process-Interruptive Warp Disruptor Blueprint 'Delineative' Warp Scrambler Blueprint Gravimetric Firewall Blueprint Magnetometric Firewall Blueprint Multi Sensor Firewall Blueprint RADAR Firewall Blueprint Small Degenerative Concussion Bomb I Blueprint Medium Degenerative Concussion Bomb I Blueprint 'Inception' Target Painter I Blueprint
Sleepers do seem to focus more on hulls then shields. Anyone know if I am missing any modules?
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Deadly Desires
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2010.07.23 12:27:00 -
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I got linked this thread in corp chat last week, and with myself being in a Wormhole based corp it certainly made interesting reading here are my thoughts on what I understand so far.
The Sleepers are actually "Infected" jove, its is my opinion that the joves used WH space as a "Quarentine" area (actual wh sites can confirm this) the jove inside WH space are all in cryogenic stasis untill a time comes when they can be cured hence how they got the name "Sleepers" the sleeper technology skillbook kinda backs this thought up it reads:
"Basic understanding of interfacing with Sleeper technology. The Sleepers were masters of virtual reality, neural interfacing and cryotechnology."
we all know that the jove disease came from there over use of neural interfacing. and why on earth would an AI race need cryotechnology or neural interfacing?? To me it seems that while the jove are in cryogenic stasis in wh space they project there minds into the sleeper ships we see, to protect themselves and there structures I also think it is quite clear that they are using some form of "Solar Power" to power there structures, afterall its the most abundant energy source available and requires no physical intervention to keep things up and running. In theory they could spend an enternity in cryo stasis with an endless supply of energy to power there structures and defences. Maybe the minds of the jove held in cryostasis are all inside some weird matrix style VR system where they can continue to do research on a cure.
thoughts??
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.07.23 12:31:00 -
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Nice lists there Pottsey
I took the liberty to remove the excess information and duplicates. Am i correct in seeing some sort of "wild west" theme going on with the Talocan? The Sleepers are quite obvious and the last two most interesting. And do the '' have some extra meaning?
Talocan
Cactus Desert Heat 'Dyad' 'Glycerine' High Noon Heat 'Guise' 'Sheriff' 'Canyon' 'Gattotte' 'Trapper' Nugget Poacher Posse Prospector 'Wolf' Snake Eyes Whiskey
Sleepers
Digital Synthetic 'Archiver' 'Integrative' Process-Interruptive 'Delineative' Firewall Degenerative 'Inception'
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Selvis
Caldari Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2010.07.23 13:04:00 -
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Regarding the lack of shields on Sleeper drones, wouldn't armor repairs be less energy-intensive? Shields are kept up all the time to ward off micrometeorite impacts and such, and if the Sleepers could rely on an armor repair system that could perform in the same role, but only become active when needed, it could go a long way towards reducing long-term energy use by the drones.
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Rubikoner
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Posted - 2010.07.23 13:51:00 -
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Pottsey "A big question I have not seen anyone or many ask is. How did the Sleepers and Talocan get to W-space and why did they choose to move to W space. Did they slow boat it as a migrant culture and/or in habitation. Did they use advance star gates, did they open wormholes from empire? Why did they abandon empire space? Well it makes sense why the Talocan left empire but why did the Sleepers? Perhaps we should look at how the Sleepers got to were they are now to understand what they are doing."
I am fairly new in this lore stuff. Having said that I have noob question...
How do we know that "sleepers" and Talocan are different races? I see its comone knowlage that they are, reading that thread. I always thought that sleepers is a simply a nick name for long gone /sleeping Talocan race(whoever they are). So explain to me whats the diffrence between talocan and sleepers. How do we know those are 2 different races and why we see their techonlogy / remains at same places in WH?
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.23 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 23/07/2010 14:36:05
Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
Talocan
Cactus Desert Heat 'Dyad' 'Glycerine' High Noon Heat 'Guise' 'Sheriff' 'Canyon' 'Gattotte' 'Trapper' Nugget Poacher Posse Prospector 'Wolf' Snake Eyes Whiskey
Whoha, perhaps I should not have dismissed the COSMOS stuff as outdated; this naming scheme fits perfectly with my thought of the Talocan of being pioneers. Try reading their structure descriptions while thinking on the old "wild west" pioneers and I think you will get my point.
There seem to be indication that the Talocan were "diggers" too. Properly not after gold, but what exactly is still unclear. Another question is, was it the search for this material or just in the nature of the Talocan to settle in new places that made them end up in Ainokis?
EDIT: Reading my Caldari COMOS notes I can see that the whole are there also has a sort of "wild west" theme around it which is not connected with the Talocan directly (take a look at the names of the complexes for a start). There is even a Minmatar making "firewater" and Angle bank robbers.
Still, the Talocan are pioneers.
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Veryez
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Posted - 2010.07.23 15:21:00 -
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CCP has strongly hinted that the Talocans and the Sleepers did not exist in wh space together (at the same time). I believe the sleepers were studying the Talocans and followed them into wh space. I have no indication the Talocans were studying the sleepers. Based on their areas of expertise, it is logical to assume the talocans found wh space first (they would be masters of gates). To me, there is little evidence the sleepers came from the Talocans, especially since their areas of expertise are so different.
I believe when the sleepers went into wh space they were not yet an uploaded society since some of their structures have spaces for people with bodies (i.e. the sleeper installation robust arc has "windows", the sleeper archive terminal has libraries "both digital and physical", the sleeper preservation conduit has "windows and small chambers") yet there are no bodies in any structures anymore - thus they have uploaded (very much like pod technology). They are not in cryostasis.
The 2 unanswered questions to me are why were the sleepers studying Terrans? And why weren't they studying the jove (who would have been around at that time)?
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Saul Dhampir
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.23 17:58:00 -
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A number of post talk about various fractions being at æwar with the TerransÆ. IÆm assuming they are classifying æTerranÆ as a Fraction. Otherwise they imply the Sleepers or whoever where not human, which make no sense at all as we know absolutely from openly stated PF that there are no aliens in EvE. This for me is one of the strengths of the world of EvE Online.
All races and FractionÆs in EvE are Human and therefore Terrans. Drones are products of Humans.
So again for clarity: The Jove are Human. The Sleepers where Human. The Talocan where Human. If any where already in existence at the time of the gate collapse they would be defined as a particular culture, whether that be based on geography, politics, religion or whatever.
The question for me is what happened in the 8000 year dark age between the gate going fubar and the rise of the modern human cultures we know in the present game time.
Also why did the cultures that arose and lived in this time abandon Star-Gate technology? We know that when the Amarr took over Athra and moved back into space they found the previous network in space and re-discovered the technology by reverse engineering it. However it would seem, at least with the Talocan, that they perfected Jump-Drives and/or wormhole generation to the point that they found it superior to Star-Gates. But this means they must have had considerable more control and one assume be able to create one on demand and dictate itÆs exit point. Additionally, why did they gravitate to systems with unusual stellar activity?
(I hate the notion of æW-SpaceÆ, I know it is just a convenient term, but it makes it seem like some separate form of space all together, as opposed to just systems the are not within the current Star-Gate network. And whilst you could argue that may very well be the case, I find it unlikely).
Continuing this line of thinking, how did the Sleepers get around? They must have got around to build their hubs in so many systems. Was there not a suggestion in the description of some sleeper salvage that the drones have Jump Drives? If that is the case and the main Sleeper mode of travel was J-Drives, one assumes the systems must be relatively close together, or that their J-Drives where considerably superior to those on modern Caps. (Which is perfectly believable).
It is also interesting that both the Sleepers and Talocan appear to be entirely space based cultures, as there is no evidence of planetary habitation within the systems in which they have been found. Why is this? We know the Talocan where a migrant culture who moved whole outposts, based around their æPole StarsÆ from system to system, and so I suppose it makes sense for them to be purely space based, but why did the Sleepers also ignore planets after moving from the Gate networked space?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.23 19:06:00 -
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Saul Dhampir said " Continuing this line of thinking, how did the Sleepers get around?" They appear to travel via created wormholes. The sleepers that entered empire space created spatial rifts and used those to travel.
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Skothen Chetokk
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Posted - 2010.07.23 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Skothen Chetokk on 23/07/2010 23:04:29 Edited by: Skothen Chetokk on 23/07/2010 23:00:28
Originally by: Saul Dhampir
(I hate the notion of æW-SpaceÆ, I know it is just a convenient term, but it makes it seem like some separate form of space all together, as opposed to just systems the are not within the current Star-Gate network. And whilst you could argue that may very well be the case, I find it unlikely)
I would like to comment on this. I think wormhole space is not just a collection of random solar systems, we have these 2500 solar systems that are (though unstable) connected among themselves as well as to the solar systems of the New Eden Cluster. But there are far too many solar systems within the galaxy (or even universe) for these connections to be random. That leads to the conclusion that they were intententionally chosen and linked by either structures within them or some hypereuclidean or whatever conversion of their state. The next question that evolves is WHY would someone do that. If they just wanted to extend their empire, they could have build stargates or such. But no, instead of that they chose solar systems far away from the cluster and close to celestial phenomenons that affect them. That means the systems are either refuges or prisons. (And the celestial phenomenons might influence some sort of advanced scanning programms that could have identified the chosen systems.) Next question, WHO would do that. If have the Sleepers and the Talocan. But we can sort out the sleepers because of two things. First, why would they want to choose systems where someone else already had lived. This would pose a security risk, because there might have been either a kind of map or descendants from the Talocan. Second, the ingame descriptions tell us, that the Sleepers where masters of no supertechnology that would allow them to construct wormhole networks. But the Talocan were masters of hypereuclidean mathmatics and also a migrant race, so it was very likely their brainchild.
Now I am at the point, that the Sleepers moved into the Talocan wormhole network for whatever reason. But why did the Talocan build the network ? I am stuck here. My first theory was, that the Talocan used the network as a first step into other systems into which they went with their gate technology, but they left several polestars (which I think are the home colonies of their people) and other structures behind, something I would not do, if I would change my home cluster unless in a case of total emergency. Another possibility might be the use of wh-systems as staging areas for a conflict in the New Eden Cluster. Of course, it would have been a great advantage for them to have secret systems, full of rich clouds and asteroid belts where they could build their army and then smash it onto their unknowing enemies. However both theories do not relate to the "Quarantine Area", a class 5 Talocan site, that is told in local to be "infected". First, we are not aware who broadcasts this, are these Talocan signals or Sleeper signals ? I would go with Sleeper signals, because that would imply that the Sleepers stumbled upon some sort of infection inside the Talocan ruins. What leads to more questions...Did the Talocan Empire die out to the same infection that caused that many problems to the following Sleepers (see the Mirror etc.) or did they leave some kind of boobytrap behind, for eager explorers ? Or where they just fighting with biological weapons ( no other EVE race is known to do such) and the Sleepers just came across one of their weapon storages and did something terribly worng while exploring them (like pearl divers that would find a sunken nuclear submarine) ?
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