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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.19 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 19/08/2010 11:18:55 Quoting from The Vitrauze Project:
Quote: "Her unique network ID was accessed at the same time she attempted to make contact, yet she did not enter her password correctly."
"Yes, we looked into it. She didn't gain any access to secure information. We're investigating the reasons she didn't authenticate properly."
"Of course, but that's not what I wanted to mention."
"Yes?"
"You don't seem to know what I'm talking about."
"Go on."
"The password, the one she entered. The incorrect string?"
"I will put aside any questions I have about how you would have access to such a thing and ask you to come to the point."
"It's a locus."
"I see."
"Yes."
"We were not aware."
"With due respect, Sir, what you are not aware of is that for every one of those six Helioses inside your system, there are two of our Buzzards."
"I believe that as much as I believe you're a psychologist."
I'm assuming they're talking about Burreau here. Either way, the point still stands that there might be a special, specific location out there among the rest.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:53:00 -
[542]
I wonder if there is a connection between the apparently incomplete locus signature list and the fact the constructs are also apparently incomplete.
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NiKun Hai
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Posted - 2010.08.19 14:05:00 -
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I would guess that that incompletion is going to be done in 18 months from now because they are too sidetracked with incarna. If they do expand on the wormhole storyline it would be amazing but as of now wormhole space is very crowded and i doubt they will do anything. It seems dropbear is getting less and less active because he is buying time as they wait 18 or so months to open up the storyline. I hope they don't just drag it on until people lose interest. I hope they have more than just random system battles with Sansha and move the storyline forward. Perhaps a tie between Sansha Wormhole tech and missing locus signature. Who knows if they'll expand but i hope they do. I have been following this for months flying around in a pod in wormholes looking for something new but outside of the (BIG) discovery of the mirror and hints at the past civilization there has been little for new developements in months.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.08.19 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: NiKun Hai I would guess that that incompletion is going to be done in 18 months from now because they are too sidetracked with incarna. If they do expand on the wormhole storyline it would be amazing but as of now wormhole space is very crowded and i doubt they will do anything. It seems dropbear is getting less and less active because he is buying time as they wait 18 or so months to open up the storyline. I hope they don't just drag it on until people lose interest. I hope they have more than just random system battles with Sansha and move the storyline forward. Perhaps a tie between Sansha Wormhole tech and missing locus signature. Who knows if they'll expand but i hope they do. I have been following this for months flying around in a pod in wormholes looking for something new but outside of the (BIG) discovery of the mirror and hints at the past civilization there has been little for new developements in months.
You have got to be kidding me. If you think you know all there is to know and understand all there is to understand about Sleeper space how about you share some of it.
I think there are only a few people, that are vocal on these forums, that actually give this Sleeper thing the attention it requires to advance in it. I have been at it for a couple of months and still everyday I find new possible clues. There is a whole collection of clues that I have never heard anybody mention and yet it stares everybody in the face.
The Sleeper story is as far as Im concerned the best thing CCP has ever done. To be honest it is a work of art. Open your eyes and ask yourself what it is you are looking at.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear When it comes to the Sleepers, each stroke on the canvas was meant to be there and each part serves a purpose, whether little or...big.
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:23:00 -
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I feel I should say, in support/defence/whatever of NiKun Hais' above post, that I am afraid I am leaning towards his train of thought myself, for two reasons.
Firstly, if the idea is that "when the capsuleers find out the truth"..."there will be consequences" implies there is a route to something more to be had in the way of game-play still undiscovered in W-space, well, its a route that is proving darnedly elusive to find, and I would think that if CPP have put some content in worth finding (which I suggest would need to be something big to live up to expectations), they would be keen on it actually being discovered and publicised as another great feature of the game, rather than remaining hidden and confined to being a source of speculation for what I think are in proportion to the total number of subscribers, comparatively, few number of subscribers who follow developments in the backstory.
Secondly, its not as if CCP don't have a degree of history when it comes to the concept development and story-line departments running ahead of the content development team - anyone remember the "summer of fun" promised to those who participated in and won through the "first round" of the Gallente election event? No, neither do I. Then there is the atmospheric flying concept touted with a nice video shown at a fan-fest a few years ago, I'm sure CCP have an idea that would be a nice feature (and I seem to recall they did say at the time it was just an idea they had?) but it has not moved on from there.
I appreciate Dropbear has said there is more to be discovered, and the fiction department have looked to have stuck their neck out somewhat with the chronicles they have put out, all the same I have my doubts there is any new game play (as opposed to back-story) already in game but undiscovered.
I don't see Nikun Hai saying anywhere in his post that he knows anything more than anyone else, and in fact he says he hopes there is actually something brilliant in the works. So do I, but I don't think he and I are holding our breath waiting for some great game play contentto come out of that, for now.
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Ivvor
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:22:00 -
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My understanding was that additional content was created along with Apocrypha, but we just haven't unlocked/discovered it or just put all of the relevant pieces together yet. When we do there'll be some kind of payoff. Maybe that payoff will be something big, like new Tech 3 stuff or a load of new WH systems and sites to explore, but it might also be a bunch of pop-ups and some chronicles explaining everything.
Whatever the case, there will always be certain gamers who will do anything to hit that difficult achievement that nobody else bothers with because it's too hard to get. If the payoff is judged to be worth the effort, either in terms of lore progression or 'cool stuff happening', then many more people will get involved in CCPs little interactive storytelling experiments in the future. If not, then they'll have to stick to spoon feeding us everything because nobody will think it worth it any more.
I've been playing Eve since it launched, and nothing has got me as interested in the lore of Eve as much as the Sleeper mystery. I got used to all the missions and sites as being essentially filler content. Now I find I need to pour over chronicles looking for hints and clues and realise how much more there is to Eve's lore.
I wonder if 'Eve has plot?' will eventually become the new 'Eve has sound?' Something that was always there, but most people ignored it because they regarded it as completely broken and a distraction to their gameplay experience.
I play Eve with the sound turned on now...
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NiKun Hai
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Posted - 2010.08.19 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: NiKun Hai on 19/08/2010 18:57:14 Yes i completely understand what you are saying and i do find new clues and hints here and there but those are based more on my opinions than they are clues. As each hint may point in a direction we explore different options. Whether it is podding yourself next to structures(i dont know who did this but i remember the post and cudos for the commitment), cap transferring and shield transferring structures. We do want progression but i just pray that the progression is something we have not unlocked and not something that has to be added. Maybe the missing site is the one that opens the door and the reason it is not there is because they following content is not ready and that we will have to wait 18 months for the progression (please nooo). I am hungry for the storyline of eve as is everyone in the post. Most people here have read nearly all of the prime fiction, chronicles and short stories to help gain a better understanding of clues that may be interwoven into the sleeper mystery. All i am saying is even that i hope that this thread is more than just a discussion or lore and will bring about in game changes because it would be a large letdown if this is nothing more than just a discussion of the storyline.
This is my question to dropbear that i know everyone who has posted or read on the thread wants to know.
Is this just a discussion of eve fiction or will our pursuit of knowledge bring about in game changes and new conent (or content that is yet to be unlocked)?
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.19 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 19/08/2010 19:45:48
Originally by: Ivvor My understanding was that additional content was created along with Apocrypha, but we just haven't unlocked/discovered it or just put all of the relevant pieces together yet. When we do there'll be some kind of payoff. Maybe that payoff will be something big, like new Tech 3 stuff or a load of new WH systems and sites to explore, but it might also be a bunch of pop-ups and some chronicles explaining everything.
I doubt there is anything like a Tech 3 module to be discovered that we don't already know about from the db dumps.
Are we sure that all charted Wormhole systems (in the DB dumps) are actually reachable and have actually been visited by Capsuleers. It could be that some of these systems are only reachable after over coming certain challenges of the maze.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.08.19 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari I'm almost certain, that these are serve a greater purpose.
I do too.
I see this Sleeper mystery as it is: the grand remains of ancient societies. Nothing more nothing less. The game is, not unlike archeology in the real world, to create a picture of what was and still is. Up until now that is all it has been, just collecting puzzle pieces and trying to fit them together.
The main aim of this sleeper mystery is the aha moments. You know when stuff starts to make sense. And for now I am not expecting anything more. The thing is you know it is there, every thing is put there for a reason and the story line is already written. So unlike real world scientific research you know you are going to find something.
The moment you ask for more content you assume you have seen it all. Maybe the problem is that it is counter intuitive. It is like reading a book by examining the places the story took place. Whether it is smart of not I for now trust that it will at some point make sense and that all the ingredients for that to happen are in game right now.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.08.19 23:03:00 -
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Just as we are the cells and structure of a society or government body.. so to are stars/suns cells and structures to a galactic body. We are born and die, just as stars do.. and we can communicate, and control what is beneath us..
What is to say Stars can not communicate, and control what is beneath them..
What object has been linked to being that of a God more so than any other..
Without Stars, biological life does not exist. It stems from the core of Stars, released into the cosmos upon their death to then be grown under the gaze of another Star.
We are the reflection of Stars, for we come from and are raised by them.. maybe, that's the answer behind the Mirror..
---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it- |
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Eva Solitude
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Posted - 2010.08.21 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Runawaypally I am still on page 1, and let me say. I HATE YOU ALL FOR MAKING THESE POSTS!
My mind is running at 1000x normal speed and ive got 5 windows open with no fewer then 8 tabs in each open on the subject or related theories.
Seriously though, I still hate you all.
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heh i just didnt look this side for 2 months and 19 page of text walls :( last night and today (now at work :p) readin reading and reading.. and i also hate "you all" p: i'll throw few ideas too when these 19 pages ends.. (if i manage to read them all!!!)
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Eva Solitude
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Veryez Edited by: Veryez on 11/07/2010 06:47:51 Edited by: Veryez on 11/07/2010 06:29:47 edit - From the end of the world series, I get the impression that the Jove are pulling the blood raider strings and that they didn't want the weapon to be fired, but I don't think they realized what would happen if the isogen-5 was detonated, the chain reaction that would occur. However manipulating the minmatar to attack the amarr, then giving the amarr the weapon seems more like an enheduanni plot, than a jove plot.
i'm with veryez on this.. society wanted to know more about jamly weapon via blood raiders but got intercepted by (maybe a free soul) thukker (or maybe a endu.. implanted thukker) and kaboomm.. all lost..
damn wrote a lot but realized my imagination got out of control..so deleted most of it p: i'd realy love to read some history novel on first jove empire or struggle between the first 6 "survivor" "sects of milkwayers" (sleepers, talocans, takhmal, enhuandi, jove, yan jung..) (or some short cgi movie? p:)
but in my opinion there is no way sleepers were a sect or part of joves, its make no sense at all in my eye.. firstly they excel at different areas of science.. okay they have similar things but in the end those similarity not enough to call them "same" if u saying they both got disease than.. talocans sleepers yan jung and joves all the same... they mostly instinct (well in a sense its all the same human after all p: ) not just sleepers and joves..
a dev pointed "if u find 2 dinosaur fossil at same place it doenst meant they were co-existed" or something like that.. maybe sleepers (Digitized race p:) steal information from talocans and created buildings or maybe hijacked those buildings from talocans p:
and another thing sansha beat up jove? cmon.. at the chronicles there was a "fallen jove" that gave jove tech to non-joves.. and exiled because of it probably that station and that system belonged that "sect" or whatever they are.. (in some chro.. been said some jove research kitz helped sansha or something like that) i dont think as a nation which is utterly advanced (some ppl already gave lots of information about jove.. their sects and their stands etc..) lose to some implanted bunch of slave even with help of enheduanni i realy hate ccp for giving sooo little bit information or clues.. and playing "oo we gave u a puzzle go solve it" :p
(btw english isnt my prim lang. so sorry if its a hard reading..)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.22 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Umega Just as we are the cells and structure of a society or government body.. so to are stars/suns cells and structures to a galactic body. We are born and die, just as stars do.. and we can communicate, and control what is beneath us..
What is to say Stars can not communicate, and control what is beneath them..
What object has been linked to being that of a God more so than any other..
Without Stars, biological life does not exist. It stems from the core of Stars, released into the cosmos upon their death to then be grown under the gaze of another Star.
We are the reflection of Stars, for we come from and are raised by them.. maybe, that's the answer behind the Mirror..
Cells.... look up the word Anoikis
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ExookiZ
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:56:00 -
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they relate to suing NCsoft? lol i think you have the wrong link, and in regards to speculations that you can discover new T3 stuff unless CCP has cleverly disguised it at the moment there isnt anything in the game besides what we know of. I dont believe that there is a physical reward for those who continue to speculate. I see little evidence that theres anything besides fiction and lore here.
i shall continue to post my findings and such but i dont think its going to lead to anything new. =]. is definitely intriguing to speculate on though.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: ExookiZ they relate to suing NCsoft? lol i think you have the wrong link, and in regards to speculations that you can discover new T3 stuff unless CCP has cleverly disguised it at the moment there isnt anything in the game besides what we know of. I dont believe that there is a physical reward for those who continue to speculate. I see little evidence that theres anything besides fiction and lore here.
I think it wouldnt be too hard to have some small shiny stuff one patch Tuesday away for a lucky person.
And yes I too like to speculate and devise all kinds of theories about the grander schemes in New Eden. But as is said there is concrete evidence and proofs to be found.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.23 18:03:00 -
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Another tangent:
Many become one, when one becomes four.
From the Macaper prophecy chronicle. It's always bugged me. I first thought "one becomes four" referred to the four empires.
With recent events, we can guess that the Jovian third empire is dying.
We also see "many becoming one" - Sansha's abductions.
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.08.23 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Another tangent:
Many become one, when one becomes four.
From the Macaper prophecy chronicle. It's always bugged me. I first thought "one becomes four" referred to the four empires.
With recent events, we can guess that the Jovian third empire is dying.
We also see "many becoming one" - Sansha's abductions.
I have always thought that many refered to wormhole space somehow.
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Myxx
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.08.23 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Another tangent:
Many become one, when one becomes four.
From the Macaper prophecy chronicle. It's always bugged me. I first thought "one becomes four" referred to the four empires.
With recent events, we can guess that the Jovian third empire is dying.
We also see "many becoming one" - Sansha's abductions.
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you just blew my mind. ive considered that the jovian empire is entering its fourth phase, i mentioned it at the second seyellin conference and to others as well. --
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Richtor Mettle
Cryptic Solutions
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Another tangent:
Many become one, when one becomes four.
From the Macaper prophecy chronicle. It's always bugged me. I first thought "one becomes four" referred to the four empires.
With recent events, we can guess that the Jovian third empire is dying.
We also see "many becoming one" - Sansha's abductions.
Interesting idea. Let me theorize using this. We are guessing the Jovian third empire is dying, and that the Sansha are abducting like crazy. If you wanted to rebuild your empire, fresh bodies for people in stasis would be appropriate wouldn't it? Many become one = Sansha abductions, but not for what Mr. Sansha thinks. When one (Sansha 'abductees', or Sansha in it's entirety) become four (the 4th Jove empire).
Speculation, yes. Plausible...who knows. Mostly it was a thought I wanted to get out for people to pick apart. This might be a signature, but can you be sure? |
Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:52:00 -
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I'm watching the sleeper lore related threads with great interest, but i have nothing constructive to add.
Just saying, i shoot sleepers all day long, but i've no idea why they're there in the first place. I hope you do find the answer eventually.
And Dropbear: time to drop a hint or two...the poor blokes have hit a wall...
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Myxx
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Drifnir
And Dropbear: time to drop a hint or two...the poor blokes have hit a wall...
it would certainly be nice to get clairification on the distance issue and the discussion and disagreement in that thread, and what it means. hints couldnt hurt, either. --
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.08.27 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Drifnir And Dropbear: time to drop a hint or two...the poor blokes have hit a wall...
I think you mean an event horizon.
And no we havent.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.28 00:38:00 -
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I think we're being beaten over the head with hints, hidden across a bunch of chronicles and other stories. Let's boil down some of the subtle hints into directions, and start following them.
Vitrauze project. Character goes through wormhole in vitrauze, finds sleeper mirror, somehow ends up dead. Possibly killed herself to dump her clone data into the sleeper data stream, suggested in Anoikis. I want to explore but oddly I can't probe. Anyone tried finding a wormhole in vitrauze?
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:22:00 -
[564]
Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 28/08/2010 11:25:28 A Lagrangian point is location where a relatively small object (compared to a star or planet) can achieve a relatively stable position using the gravity of the larger objects as anchor.
Has anybody explored the L1 Lagrangian point in Seyllin or any of the other shattered planet systems.
It has been on my list of must do things, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
It seems to me that if the ancients wanted to keep something safe in space for a long period of time, eons perhaps. The L1 point of the first planet would be the most appropriate place.
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Linkovir
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Posted - 2010.08.28 18:03:00 -
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Finally read this whole thread. Nice read. This incorporates the stuff in here that fetched me.
The question I have been asking myself has been: Why would any organisation dump what are obviously huge amounts of resources into the creation of a wormhole system network.
Why do I assume the wormhole network has been created? Because the gates spawn in what is obviously a defined set of systems. Without being created the wormholes would drop anywhere and everywhere in the universe (note, beyond the known universe). There might also be the possibility that the race creating the network was advanced enough to build the suns, thus dictating the playing field.
Only three options seem plausible to me: The creation of a controlled environment for extremely dangerous experiments. Created for quarantine with the intent to close off from normal space. Religious meaning, searching for divinity, passing the veil.
Any other reason to set up a network of which the higher tiers can only be reached by traversing said networks (C1 û C3 reachable from normal space with C4 û C6 only reachable from the entrance points in C1 through C3) makes little sense.
Only the experimentation or quarantine can be used to explain the defensive and tiered nature of the network unless you are thinking stairway to heaven.
The one use doesn't exclude the other. The results of experimentation in search of divinity may have been the reason to quarantine and subsequently abandon.
My theory is as follows Set up for extremely dangerous experimentation, possibly to pass the veil. It was abandoned. Perhaps because of the unforeseen results of said experimentation, perhaps some outside influence rendering resources needed elsewhere.
The most dangerous I can think of is actually having an AI evolve of its own volition and at its own pace. Whatever you use as raw material for the AI network the resulting intelligence will be alien to its creators.
It was not abandoned without a defence, however. The sleeper drones are the defence. But they are just that, drones. They are even limited in the scope of their AI's abilities. They could be mindless automatons cut adrift or we have yet to meet the sleepers themselves.
Wormholes can be controlled, the Sansha have proven this. They were probably faster in figuring it out because they are interconnected, that or they had help. Another possibility is that the Sansha were hijacked by the sleepers and are harvesting for the sleepers to be rebuilt. Their use of the wormholes goes beyond the opportunistic use the Thukker tribe made of it. Therefore, us capsuleers are expected to be able to make the same use of them sometime in the future.
My preference is the following theory: Wormhole network set up to experiment on AI allowed to expand on itself. Grazing the databases strewn all over wormhole space. Possibly to work out a cure for a disease requiring quarantine (desperation measure). Disinterest or calamity (ello HAL 9000), wormhole network cut off from normal space. Whatever was left in the most dangerous and unreachable of systems went to work and created the sleeper drones, those are the sleepers.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.08.28 22:10:00 -
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Wyke Mossari : I had tried it briefly and will try again. I was actually looking at L2 points myself. The Empyrean Age describes it quiet clearly being on that side of the planet.
Linkovir : I think the presence of Sleeper structures draws the wormholes, somewhat like magnetism, to those particular systems. Someone figured out something about the Sleepers what we are about to figure out and used it against them.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:36:00 -
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I don't think it's gonna be lagrange points. I figure it's just a matter of going deep enough into the WH network. Check this quote from the Eve wiki about wormholes:
Quote: Secondly, the wormhole might lead to an area of undiscovered and uncharted wormhole space (or ôw-spaceö). There are six levels of wormhole space, graded from 1 to 6. Class 1 to Class 3 wormhole space can connect to known, or k-space, as well as other w-space. Class 4 to Class 6 wormhole space connects to w-space areas. So far, no one has found w-space extending more than five wormholes from an exit wormhole to k-space.
So far, huh...
I bet there's a system we haven't found yet, one we're meant to find eventually though. It's gonna be six systems deep from empire.
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Selvis
Caldari Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Selvis on 29/08/2010 16:17:59
Quote: Secondly, the wormhole might lead to an area of undiscovered and uncharted wormhole space (or ôw-spaceö). There are six levels of wormhole space, graded from 1 to 6. Class 1 to Class 3 wormhole space can connect to known, or k-space, as well as other w-space. Class 4 to Class 6 wormhole space connects to w-space areas. So far, no one has found w-space extending more than five wormholes from an exit wormhole to k-space.
I can disprove that completely and utterly. The reason C1-3 systems seem to be the only classes that link to K-space is because the static wormholes in these systems are disproportionally K-space wormholes, not because only C1-3 can link to K-space. Hell, I've found C5 and C6 wormholes in 1.0 and 0.9 space several times personally. If you need proof, I'm stuck on the wrong side of space from our home system currently, so I can go probing around, hope I get lucky, provide a screenshot.
EDIT: Misread the quote, thought we were only talking about highsec. Changed references of highsec to K-space. Point still stands.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:25:00 -
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Hmm.
I wanna go to a mirror. Anyone going exploring, that'd take me along?
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Selvis
Caldari Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Hmm. I wanna go to a mirror. Anyone going exploring, that'd take me along?
I'd be happy to. Contact me in-game?
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