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Kosak Blood
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:03:00 -
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I have been playing eve actively in lowsec over the last year. I have not tried joining my nullsec corp team because I do not commit time in even needed for ops. I have begun to question CCPs need for expansions rather than fixing the current game. This game is rampant with macroers in just about any lowsec system that borders hisec. Right now in Arzi there are about 20-30 macroers constantly running the same trips like clockwork. If you attack them, or scram them they still do nothing. I'd rather see a system that has 0 players than all macroers. The point of the local chat is to tell me who is in system, and now it is completely clogged up.
So that is only a few systems, lets take a deeper look into lowsec. There are no miners. ever. I just did a 36 jump route in lowsec and found under 10 active players. This is usually the case. I highly doubt tyrannis will fix this, but hopefully in the future eve will give some incentive for people to mine in lowsec, or transport in lowsec. Heck, remove asteroid belts from hisec.
I do hope to see some effort to address this because as far as im concerned, a majority of the lowsec systems are a complete waste of space.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:15:00 -
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hi cat here
well of course low sex sucks lol cos and also that is just where pirate hang out camping gates waiting for innocent travelers they can mercilessly gank
i think if we are going to fix low sc that means that we need to fix the problem of pirates too but i have tried but there are so many of the damed pirates that my trusty defencemobile isnt always up to the job but i am always interested in other ideas so that we can make the game more fun for everyone and not just pirates
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darkmaninov
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:17:00 -
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I think someone needs a hug.
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Marquis Zenas
I.X Research
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
... low sex sucks ...
This thread well end well...
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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kosak Blood
Right now in Arzi there are about 20-30 macroers constantly running the same trips like clockwork. If you attack them, or scram them they still do nothing.
I'd say this post is a stealth "come to Arzi in the hopes of getting lots of easy kills, but in fact die to my waiting blob" post.
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Sisohiv
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:24:00 -
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Courier missions in low sec are the only ones worth doing. You can stab a 500K Industrial, run a 2nd client to pirate locals and make ISK while you are at it.
Yes, Low sec sucks. CCP have tried in vain to make it more appealing but it still sucks. Avoid it. Most do. |
Grainsalt
Free-Corp Auxiliary
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:28:00 -
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Welcome to 2005
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Poo Ka'hontas
Red Eye Brigade
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:29:00 -
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So... Have you (or the other low-sec whiners) ever stopped and realy thought about why there are so few in low-sec?
Because you do realize that what you personally believe is fun, might not be fun for other people? 
Let me toss this crazy idea out there: What if (dramatic pause) those living in high-sec actually wanna play a internet-spaceship-game without being blobbed or hunted by "pirates"? Maybe someone actually like to run missions and mine in realtive peace..?
Hi-sec = Crowded / Low-sec = not so crowded.. This tells me that most players (not counting the crazy 0.0'ers  ) dont care about low-sec..
EVE is not only for pixel-badasses, it is for all kinds of peeps.. I myself can enjoy sitting in station and fit/re-fit a ship for several hours.. it makes me calm and i enjoy myself doing it 
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TheBaptist
Vori V Zakoni
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
that is just where pirate hang out camping gates waiting for innocent travelers they can mercilessly gank
You call us pirates, but this is our home, lowsec is where we choose to live, so we are merely protecting our systems. You go into nullsec and get ganked and don't complain, why should it be much more different in lowsec? ;)
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Resonanza
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 08:31:09
Originally by: Kosak Blood
Heck, remove asteroid belts from hisec.
How about this: Don't gank all those harmless traders, miners, mission runners and haulers who are trying to populate and animate "your" lowsec space, dear pirate?
I mean, it is allways the same: The usual suspects - lame kiddo gate griefers , who are waiting for easy targets in low sec, trespassers, haulers - blow in a gank-group all those people up, who try to utilize lowsec. Then they complain that "they have no targets" (anymore)... Ohhh wonder.
I tell you waht:
- Eradicating level 4 mission from high sec will not help you
- CAsting out asteroid belts from highsec will not help you
- Banning all other carebears activities from highsec will not going to help you
Ppl will simpl ystop playing *AND* paying Eve. You cannot force people to play teh game like you want it to be played. You can't people force to become YOUR victims.
You say "adapt or die"!. Well i tell you this:
Adapt or die of boredem. It is now time for to YOU, for the PVP players, to adapt.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez
Originally by: Kosak Blood
Right now in Arzi there are about 20-30 macroers constantly running the same trips like clockwork. If you attack them, or scram them they still do nothing.
I'd say this post is a stealth "come to Arzi in the hopes of getting lots of easy kills, but in fact die to my waiting blob" post.
^^ This. LOL. I think you nailed it. :)
Doesn't mean we can't ban Russia in the meantime, of course, and get rid of all macro-miner once and for all. :P
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Babylonian Harlot
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Posted - 2010.05.19 08:47:00 -
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I live in low sec.
But I'm a scout. I have no skills, ships or concerns.
In my many hrs in lowsec, I have found it to be a bad place to mine and mission because pirates will hound you out. I find its a bad place to pirate because there are no targets. Its a good spot to build capital ships. Lots of carriers in low sec. Some stay there because the capsuleers dont want to lose them in 0.0 sec so they undock them every now and then and admire them. Then dock them and get out thier Battleship to blow up another free noob ship and send me back to the base I just undocked from.
Low sec is like watching paint dry. Even mining in .5 will see more action. The odd officer spawn. Odd suicide runs against macro miners. Low sec is boring. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:04:00 -
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If you added CONCORD to lowsec more people would go there. Just saying.
In during simultaneous pirate and carebear tears.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:49:00 -
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I think this is what the OP basically tries to say.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.19 09:58:00 -
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Low sec is fine the way it is, tbh.
It is 0.0 that sucks the big one!
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:09:00 -
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Youre not doing it right
Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Nobzy
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Posted - 2010.05.19 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Nobzy on 19/05/2010 10:15:13
Originally by: TheBaptist
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
that is just where pirate hang out camping gates waiting for innocent travelers they can mercilessly gank
You call us pirates, but this is our home, lowsec is where we choose to live, so we are merely protecting our systems. You go into nullsec and get ganked and don't complain, why should it be much more different in lowsec? ;)
What are you protecting your systems from exactly?
How does ransoming money from them, and then letting them go in to "your" system enforce this protection?
Also to the OP, lowsec will be useless as long as there are pirates roaming there, free to kill off anyone entering it.
I dont think the problem lies with worthless ore in lowsec, it's just that people don't like to enter there because they will die within 30 minutes.
Someone else already said it, why the hell would you want to be food for the guns, is there anyone who thinks that's fun?
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:04:00 -
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Yes, nerf macro-losec-couriers ... hilariously annoying
As for lowsec mining; MMO - so peeps should really bring friends with guns to keep an eye on their bargey mates - Everyone wins, miners get ore, escort gets a decent chance of a fight.
Knowing the Eve playerbase - duelling hotdropped Titans over a Jaspet roid coming soon ? :)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:08:00 -
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Low sec sucks because the entire game design greately favors a hunter/killer over a PvEer.(simply put a pirate has a 100% chance to kill a PVEer unless the PVEer runs away wheneverer he isnt alone.) So no one in their right mind PVEs in low sec unless they are alone.
The mechanics are just as stupid in high sec and 0.0 - but Cocord and Alliance defense forces keep you modestly safe.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Low sec sucks because the entire game design greately favors a hunter/killer over a PvEer.(simply put a pirate has a 100% chance to kill a PVEer unless the PVEer runs away wheneverer he isnt alone.) So no one in their right mind PVEs in low sec unless they are alone.
Well, from my limited PVE experiences.
You can rat in 0.1 (this is how I fixed my sec) in a PVP fit BC with zero problems. I had people try to "pirate" me too, which was lol and broke the tedium, and got me some shiny killmails/T2 salvage on top. Of course, I could have just went away (it's rather easy to, after all, scanner and local exist), but it's not really fun that way.
I didn't feel like game design favoured the other guy, if anything he though he was getting some poor ratter so I had element of surprise.
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Free Folen
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Poo Ka'hontas
..(not counting the crazy 0.0'ers )..
That made me lol.
You should try 0.0 and you would see y us crazy 0.0 love it there and y provi used to be more populated than hi-sec.
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Jo Ka
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Posted - 2010.05.19 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here
well of course low sex sucks lol cos and also that is just where pirate hang out camping gates waiting for innocent travelers they can mercilessly gank
i think if we are going to fix low sc that means that we need to fix the problem of pirates too but i have tried but there are so many of the damed pirates that my trusty defencemobile isnt always up to the job but i am always interested in other ideas so that we can make the game more fun for everyone and not just pirates
x
Exactly right, no low-sec pirate can complain about the state of low-sec after all they have made it what it is.
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Aurum Bellator
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Posted - 2010.05.19 12:45:00 -
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My 2 cents . . . supply will always meet demand. Simply put, there isn't anything in lowsec worth enough to risk the pirates or organize a force to drive them out. Try adding crokite or spodumain in 0.3 systems and see what happens? Amp up mission rewards for missions wholly within 0.4 and below (and nerf highsec mission rewards). Maybe add a nerfed-down version of CONCORD . . . they respond with cruisers and frigates and don't have insta-death rayguns.
If you make it worth their while they will go. If the rewards are good enough, people will organize against pirates in lowsec and drive them out (or attempt to). The problem is, you have NO RISK + HIGH REWARDS in 0.5 and above, and HIGH RISK + HIGH REWARDS in 0.4 to 0.1. Who would venture into 0.4 ?
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
Monks of War.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 19/05/2010 13:02:20
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 19/05/2010 13:01:35
Originally by: Ghoest
Low sec sucks because the entire game design greately favors a hunter/killer over a PvEer.(simply put a pirate has a 100% chance to kill a PVEer unless the PVEer runs away wheneverer he isnt alone.) So no one in their right mind PVEs in low sec unless they are alone.
The mechanics are just as stupid in high sec and 0.0 - but Cocord and Alliance defense forces keep you modestly safe.
WTF are you talking about? You can either scan for probes and incoming ships or just stay aligned and warp out as soon as any ship appears in the overview. It's a 100% chance for a farmer to evade the punishment and not the other way round.
Also there is no point in farming with a PvE ship. Go have plexes in PvP ones, like I do. PvE setups are excusable only for lvl 5 or null-sec plexes or for the WHs.
Low-sec sucks cause there are NO DAMNED REASONS to LIVE there. This has been stated over and over again for the last years, but after Dominion released customizable farmvilles in o.o and after the folks tasted the WH farming, it became even more evident.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Low-sec sucks cause there are NO DAMNED REASONS to LIVE there. This has been stated over and over again for the last years, but after Dominion released customizable farmvilles in o.o and after the folks tasted the WH farming, it became even more evident.
Fairly easy to find PVP and solid ISK-making opportunities if you are poor sound quite good to me.
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Johnny Spacer
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:28:00 -
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The only thing you can add to lowsec to make career highsecer's venture there is Concord. It's not an insult, just the truth. Whatever floats your boat, that's what I say.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Wacktopia on 19/05/2010 13:33:35
Quote:
Simply Put: I Suck
fyp
Edit: Low sec is a place to open PVP without CONCORD or nullsec politics. Leave it alone please.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.19 13:38:00 -
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Make lowsec lucrative enough that it is more profitable than highsec taking into account regular losses. Carebears then have a reason to go there even though they will lose ships. Pirates then have targets to shoot who won't be scared off permanently by being killed.
Won't force anyone anywhere, but will offer a solid reason for both segments of the playerbase to go there.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Poo Ka'hontas
EVE is not only for pixel-badasses, it is for all kinds of peeps.. I myself can enjoy sitting in station and fit/re-fit a ship for several hours.. it makes me calm and i enjoy myself doing it
Hey, you too. I do the exact same thing. Got dozens of fit ships now including Maurauders, Navy Ships, etc all just for fitting and re-fitting but never fly/lose them. I love it...
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Grohalmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.05.19 14:19:00 -
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Guys, seriously, STOP KILLING PEOPLE IN LOW SEC. If we want low sec to be fun, we have to STOP KILLING PEOPLE IN LOW SEC.
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