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TheBaptist Vori V Zakoni	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:38:00 - [121] Originally by: Chopper Rollins Edited by: Chopper Rollins on 24/05/2010 17:13:54 Funniest people i've met in eve have been -8 or less. Also the most helpful and well informed. That doesn't mean every red is a nice person, The Baptist isn't fooling anybody, i've seen him in Heild killing rookie ship after rookie ship in his Dramiel. Hey that's where the cheap skillbooks are, a lot of people's first belting in lo sec is from that. You mad? Perhaps if you didn't post with an alt I could check my killboard and see what you lost? Were you that frig that undocked with Gallente Carrier book in it and died and got podded maybe? Perhaps you were that deadspace fit thrasher? Also please try to engage a non-flashy on station in a frigate (i.e. a Dramiel)...I would like to see how long you live after that.
Milla Sirius The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:45:00 - [122] And I kill rookies with my paper manticore at any stations, I can escape from sentries fire. Milla "10 minutes" Sirius
TheBaptist Vori V Zakoni	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:47:00 - [123] Confirming Milla, I have KMs as proof =)
iminjitalol	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:47:00 - [124] However, take this lightly as Milla has a reputation for being fast
Djakku Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:13:00 - [125] YARR!!! This is an outrage!!! yarr, you'll never be rid o' me an mi' hearties yarr... This is not a signature.
Jalif	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:33:00 - [126] LowSec doesn't suck. You are just being lazy or you don't look further when you should do so. But I blame the pirates and the "carebears". Pirates are just ganking and spanking everything they encounter (its not wrong) - maybe if they started ransoming a bit more often they would get more out of their targets and targets more out of them. Beside that, I remember that some old pirate corporations used to get paid for protection or leave the people alone? I offered that to another corporation ones for 50mil a week. They refused and I eventually was killing them 100mil in damage each week and they still keep refusing. Why does nobody think of this? How about you carebears? You want to make a diffrence? Talk to the pirates. If you give a good offer they will defiantly help you (depends on pirate tho) - Slowly build up your contacts and trust. Don't jump directly a couple Orca's on top while you mine. Start a smart business. - Lowsec isn't lacking. Its more the players who are lacking and who don't think about teamwork. - You just want more game mechanics to make it easier for yourself. Wake up, it will never will be and the ones with the most contacts are always the most successful. - Eve is more then just pressing buttons. Talking (not smacking) is also a part of it. - You just want to see Good vs Evil - Ones again, wake up, you are able to change that. If you are a corporation who wants protection/left alone in lowsec then talk to the pirates because they control/dominate/know the area and often know how to pvp against other people. Better then all those carebear anti-pirates. Think about it, You can make a diffrence, if you do, you will grow and earn reputation and what else. If you don't, you will stay the average player. Notting more then that. PVP-Videos: Jalification
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:41:00 - [127] Originally by: Jalif Beside that, I remember that some old pirate corporations used to get paid for protection or leave the people alone? I offered that to another corporation ones for 50mil a week. They refused and I eventually was killing them 100mil in damage each week and they still keep refusing. Why does nobody think of this? I would not pay you either, I say good on them. If they had isk to throw away they should have hired mercs to come and smash your toys up.
TheBaptist Vori V Zakoni	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:45:00 - [128] Jalif, hai o/ I'm glad you are violencing boats once again for great justice. Also, I support what you are saying, except for the ransoms part.
Kiri Serrensun	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:53:00 - [129] Edited by: Kiri Serrensun on 24/05/2010 18:53:21 Originally by: Jo Ka Not surprising they're not interested in going to low-sec if you keep killing them and the ones you kill are more than likely soft targets with little chance of defending themselves. Keep nerfing high-sec won't get people into low-sec but it will get people to leave the game and some of those carebears as you call them have 9+ accounts. Very bright suggestion from you. Yes, that is exactly what I was personally advocating. Was it the quotation marks that tipped you off about how deathly serious I was, or the juxtaposition of two pirate arguments that most of them never seem to join up?
Jalif	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:54:00 - [130] Originally by: Jo Ka Originally by: Jalif Beside that, I remember that some old pirate corporations used to get paid for protection or leave the people alone? I offered that to another corporation ones for 50mil a week. They refused and I eventually was killing them 100mil in damage each week and they still keep refusing. Why does nobody think of this? I would not pay you either, I say good on them. If they had isk to throw away they should have hired mercs to come and smash your toys up. Thats your problem. They did that often enough and failed (epicly). And also, its cheaper to pay a pirate corp to leave you alone then hire a merc corporation. Are there any mercs around still? Maybe, NOIR. but thats way to expensive for to many corporations. I've already kicked ones 2 allainces out with my 5man corp at the time. Just pure frigs and harrasing and keeping people docked. If they had payed me 50mil a week I would have protected them or left them alone and they could do their business. Ones again, you are just the "average" player - you will never get far. The one who thinks about his business opertunities and leaves the Good vs Evil aside will grow 100x faster then you ever do. PVP-Videos: Jalification
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.24 19:00:00 - [131] Edited by: Jo Ka on 24/05/2010 19:05:26 Originally by: Jalif Originally by: Jo Ka Originally by: Jalif Beside that, I remember that some old pirate corporations used to get paid for protection or leave the people alone? I offered that to another corporation ones for 50mil a week. They refused and I eventually was killing them 100mil in damage each week and they still keep refusing. Why does nobody think of this? I would not pay you either, I say good on them. If they had isk to throw away they should have hired mercs to come and smash your toys up. Thats your problem. They did that often enough and failed (epicly). And also, its cheaper to pay a pirate corp to leave you alone then hire a merc corporation. Are there any mercs around still? Maybe, NOIR. but thats way to expensive for to many corporations. I've already kicked ones 2 allainces out with my 5man corp at the time. Just pure frigs and harrasing and keeping people docked. If they had payed me 50mil a week I would have protected them or left them alone and they could do their business. Ones again, you are just the "average" player - you will never get far. The one who thinks about his business opertunities and leaves the Good vs Evil aside will grow 100x faster then you ever do. Average player or griefer, I guess I can tolerate being called an average player at least I'm not being called a griefer. Yep, I could never be a pirate but a merc that's a different story.
Aurum Bellator	Posted - 2010.05.24 19:09:00 - [132] Edited by: Aurum Bellator on 24/05/2010 19:10:10 Originally by: Jekyl Eraser I just got an idea... Allow CONCORD at losec but only near stations and gates. Those who knew me in my previous life way back in 2003 - 2005 would roll in my grave if they heard me say: I support this idea, if implemented properly. It was also part of my four point thread to improve lowsec in the Ideas forum. It should not, however, be designed to eliminate gate and station camping --- but only limit it. For example, if CONCORD responded at gates and stations in increasingly powerful wave . . . frigates first, after 5 minutes then cruisers show up, after 5 more minutes, fleets begin warping in . . . etc. And allow them to be killable which ofc reduces such player's sec status as well. Combined with a few other tweaks to make lowsec more profitable (versus highsec) such as tax and fee rates and mission rewards, I believe that many people would in fact go to lowsec. AUB
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.24 19:14:00 - [133] Originally by: Aurum Bellator Edited by: Aurum Bellator on 24/05/2010 19:10:10 Originally by: Jekyl Eraser I just got an idea... Allow CONCORD at losec but only near stations and gates. Those who knew me in my previous life way back in 2003 - 2005 would roll in my grave if they heard me say: I support this idea, if implemented properly. It was also part of my four point thread to improve lowsec in the Ideas forum. It should not, however, be designed to eliminate gate and station camping --- but only limit it. For example, if CONCORD responded at gates and stations in increasingly powerful wave . . . frigates first, after 5 minutes then cruisers show up, after 5 more minutes, fleets begin warping in . . . etc. And allow them to be killable which ofc reduces such player's sec status as well. Combined with a few other tweaks to make lowsec more profitable (versus highsec) such as tax and fee rates and mission rewards, I believe that many people would in fact go to lowsec. AUB Doubt it sounds more like you just want something to do whilst you are gate camping.
Jalif	Posted - 2010.05.24 19:15:00 - [134] Originally by: Jo Ka Edited by: Jo Ka on 24/05/2010 19:05:26 Originally by: Jalif Originally by: Jo Ka Originally by: Jalif Beside that, I remember that some old pirate corporations used to get paid for protection or leave the people alone? I offered that to another corporation ones for 50mil a week. They refused and I eventually was killing them 100mil in damage each week and they still keep refusing. Why does nobody think of this? I would not pay you either, I say good on them. If they had isk to throw away they should have hired mercs to come and smash your toys up. Thats your problem. They did that often enough and failed (epicly). And also, its cheaper to pay a pirate corp to leave you alone then hire a merc corporation. Are there any mercs around still? Maybe, NOIR. but thats way to expensive for to many corporations. I've already kicked ones 2 allainces out with my 5man corp at the time. Just pure frigs and harrasing and keeping people docked. If they had payed me 50mil a week I would have protected them or left them alone and they could do their business. Ones again, you are just the "average" player - you will never get far. The one who thinks about his business opertunities and leaves the Good vs Evil aside will grow 100x faster then you ever do. Average player or griefer, I guess I can tolerate being called an average player at least I'm not being called a griefer. Yep, I could never be a pirate but a merc that's a different story. OH, im such a sad griefer right? I think you are playing the wrong game. In eve you either loose or win and I got a feeling im winning more often then you are :) PVP-Videos: Jalification
AvatarADV	Posted - 2010.05.24 19:34:00 - [135] Sure, you can deal with low-sec in a well-organized corporation. Or... you can take the same well-organized corp out to 0.0, sign on with one of the alliances, and grab some actual space. Requires more of a logistics effort, but on the other hand, defense is a lot easier, what with less traffic (to the point where you can assume that "not allied" = "hostile"). If you have the skills and the chops to set up in low-sec, you can make it in 0.0, and make several times as much isk. Easier to defend too - no sec status hit for popping intruders. The thing is, there's nothing in low-sec that you can't also get in 0.0. You're taking on all of the risk, for significantly less reward.
LiquidsteeI	Posted - 2010.05.24 23:53:00 - [136] Here is a suggestion. CCP make an invulnerability field that is just that totaly invulnerable for say a time limit . Buy it on the market, If u wanna run a lvl 4 mission in low or null sec it costs 100 mill or {insert price here] for say 30 minits or whatever. If you want to mine for 5 hours raise the cost to say a billion,Make it so one can make a profit but every noob in a boat cant afford it, I think most of you are smart enuff to catch my meaning.
Olleybear I R' Carebear	Posted - 2010.05.25 00:35:00 - [137] Originally by: TheBaptist Originally by: Chopper Rollins ... The Baptist isn't fooling anybody, i've seen him in Heild killing rookie ship after rookie ship in his Dramiel... You mad? Hey, if it makes you feel any better, I've almost killed TheBaptist Dramiel before while he was flying drunk. We both had a laugh at that. Oh, and o/ Baptist <<< Just because your pet likes you, that does not mean you are a good person. >>>
Haruki sensou	Posted - 2010.05.25 01:01:00 - [138] Yes, low-sec is horrible and offers no rewards vs. risk, please stay out of it cause making 15-20b every few weeks essentially passively if you have enough brain cells to align and scan is just not enough.
Prieith Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 01:14:00 - [139] In 06 i used to mine in lowsec for several months as a n00b, and everyone left me alone except a few flashies, anyway by the sound of it, if i did it now, i would get hotdropped wtfpwnd in like 5 minutes after undocking. And i don't think any changes has been made in lowsec since then has it?, so it is probably the people who needs to change then right? I dunno, just poasting
Kiri Serrensun	Posted - 2010.05.25 13:20:00 - [140] Originally by: Jalif I've already kicked ones 2 allainces out with my 5man corp at the time. Just pure frigs and harrasing and keeping people docked. If they had payed me 50mil a week I would have protected them or left them alone and they could do their business. Or they could have paid you and got blown up anyway. Maybe you're one of the few pirates motivated by something other than killmail addiction, but it's simply not worth the risk. And that protection money is coming out of profit, further eroding the supposed massive profits of lowsec.
trusted Tradera	Posted - 2010.05.25 13:32:00 - [141] Originally by: Resonanza Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 08:31:09 Originally by: Kosak Blood Heck, remove asteroid belts from hisec. H Ppl will simpl ystop playing AND paying Eve. You cannot force people to play teh game like you want it to be played. You can't people force to become YOUR victims. "adapt or die"!. This but in English
HalogenWraith Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:14:00 - [142] What really annoys me about lowsec is the gate guns. Gate guns don't save people from getting ganked, and in my opinion only serve to provide a false sense of security to new players. The only thing gate guns in lowsec manage to accomplish is to relegate pvp to battlecruisers and above, forcing any frigate-specialized pilots to go to belts or 0.0. Lowsec belts aren't exactly target-rich. Why does CCP feel the need to discriminate against frigate pilots with infinite tracking gate guns? We may never know. Either give them limited tracking or remove them entirely, because what did you intend loswec to be in the first place?
Jo Ka	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:38:00 - [143] Well you won't see me in low-sec unless I'm traveling through it to 0.0. After all low-sec is where all the low-lifes go and I have standards.
Jeneroux Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:27:00 - [144] If you need to go to lowsec.. why no one ever mentions the best way to be safe? Do not wait for attack, threat, or ransom demand. Proactive bribery work well.
Rocktown	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:53:00 - [145] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Ah one of my favorite topics. Lowsec sucks for the same reason the tropics of the Atlantic and Pacific would have sucked IF the real seagoing pirates were out there killing everything that moved. They didn't, of course. They went after the truly valuable targets, the complacent, and the corrupt. But they didn't attack every fishing boat, every ferry, every single native fisherman, or bombard every coastal or port town. They engaged those who had something worthwhile to take, and the navies that pursued them. EvE Lowsec is everything that moves getting attacked. Lowsec back in 2006 was good. I used to mission there in a rookie ship and T1 cruisers and never got bothered. It was the big fish they were after. Now, even in high sec, I am careful with my all-T2 Flying Piniata. The bad signs were just coming in in low sec back around those days. There were systems where people were just starting to kill everything that moved, and made entire websites making fun of everybody they killed. This is not playing a game. This is blaming the world for that time your crazy uncle or mothers boyfriend diddled you. But as before, CCP means "Crowd Control Productions" and as the world goes to hell and Schadenfreude fueled by impotent rage of the victims (most people who are angry but too cowardly to do anything real about it), becomes a national sport, every faction ship getting lolgankged is one less new car getting keyed or tired getting slashed. Every noob tricked out into lowsec after being befriended and ganked is one less person getting their face bloodied in the back of the playground. One corp being scammed bloodless is one less estranged boy or girl finding their stuff in the driveway. Every gallon of tears poured out is one less neighborhood cat tortured to death. Good job CCP. i liek tu blowz up spaceships in gaem i iz sociopaths nao?
Stroh Blatz Gallente Dirty Martini Clinical Operations	Posted - 2010.05.25 16:18:00 - [146] Because that may mean actually getting into a fair fight or having to fight a fairly skilled player. Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas So I guess the real question is - Why don't the pirates who are looking for people to kill venture into 0.0? There are heaps of people out here.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.05.25 16:29:00 - [147] Edited by: BrundleMeth on 25/05/2010 16:32:27 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Demolishar It's not meant to be fun for YOU, carebear. PvErs such as you, are just PvE for the PvPers! Noone gives a damn what your opinion is, your purpose is to die. Is anyone still wondering why lo sec is desolate? Here's a clue. If "noone [SIC]" gives a damn" on what the carebear's opinion is THEN STOP CRYING ABOUT HOW THERE'S NO CAREBEARS IN LO SEC. Your idiotic mentallity is EXACTLY the reason why there are no carebears in lo sec. You made your bed. Now lay in it, quietly. You are 100% correct. I live mostly in 0.0 and occasionally high-sec. I will live where I please not where it's convienient for other players. Anyone in this game who believes their opinion is the only opinion that counts will always have something to whine about. I find low sec to be nothing more than a pain in tha arse and those crapping about no one to shoot could start shooting at each other... But in any case I doubt this entire discussion will amount to anything. No one will take any advice and CCP will likely do nothing to low-sec...
Gavin Neltharek Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.05.25 16:33:00 - [148] Originally by: TheBaptist Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails that is just where pirate hang out camping gates waiting for innocent travelers they can mercilessly gank You call us pirates, but this is our home, lowsec is where we choose to live, so we are merely protecting our systems. You go into nullsec and get ganked and don't complain, why should it be much more different in lowsec? ;) If it really was your home assets you were protecting you'd do more than sit on gates with blobs ganking anything and everything that came through the system. Pirates are after easy kills to pad the board and nothing more. They prey on weak easy targets and scatter to the wind when a fight actually shows up. Use the system to your advantage. Build up a blue list of renters that you can actively defend and provide protection racket services to in a certain set of low sec systems. Kill any neuts and reds and respond to defense calls in those systems. You may find yourself actually enjoying seeing blues in your system that you can actually defend if attacked. Try the same thing with lvl 4-5 mission hubs in your low sec systems. Some carebear corps may be willing to foot a small bill to have some big bad -10 corps protecting them in low sec. All you'd need then is CCP to make low-sec not suck terribly from an ore perspective. <----------------------------------> Carebears aren't people, they're giant flying piniatas.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.05.25 16:35:00 - [149] Originally by: Gavin Neltharek Some carebear corps may be willing to foot a small bill to have some big bad -10 corps protecting them in low sec. This, exactly. I'd pay for protection of a small corp...
Yarpen Tsunami Cartel Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.25 16:35:00 - [150] Low sec doesn't suck people - low sec is just different that's all I agree when it gets to one thing - low sec needs some love from CCP. When I talk of love I do not mean better ores, I do not mean better mission rewards, or any means of more ISK, I certainly do not mean forcing carebears to go to low sec. Low sec is (prolly the last) place where small scale pvp still exists. Do not think that every pilot that lives there just waits at the gate for some 2 week old hauler to kill. Might actually sound funny to 0.0 people but we do actually fight over territory in low sec and the scale at which we engage is just fine. Now PLEASE do not try to populate our low sec with fluffy carebears mining and mission running, do not try adding concord etc casue that would just turn low sec into high sec - would be easier to just change the sec rating of the system. Now someone mentioned ideas like added exploration or reworked bounty system so pirates can be pursued/tracked - yes, that's the kind of attention low sec needs. At this point high sec is all about safe (hehe) isk grinding for carebears, 0.0 is for sov fight/better grinding and blob warfare (enjoy it guys) - my question is WTF is low sec supposed to be CCP? Please add some stuff so it has more flavour, so it actually feels like lawless secotrs of space with its own opportunities Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Adida

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